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The result was merge to Journal of Transpersonal Psychology. czar 06:48, 23 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Association for Transpersonal Psychology

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Doesn't meet WP:NORG. I can't find any mention of it other than fleeting ones (e.g. "person, a member of the Association for Transpersonal Psychology" (not significant), and some in the journal they run (not independent). Xurizuri ( talk) 01:32, 2 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Radioactive ( talk) 01:49, 2 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Psychology-related deletion discussions. Radioactive ( talk) 01:49, 2 October 2021 (UTC) reply

• Delete for lack of documentation about the organization as an organization. Moreover, it's a fringe-y subject area, where studies of meditation practices and spiritual belief systems spill over into credulous acceptance of "psi" and "psychoenergetics". One of the ATP's past presidents was a senior editor at the Journal of Things Which, If They Worked, Would Just Be Called "Medicine". Another was also a director of a parapsychology outfit. None of that rules out our having an article on the group, but it does mean we need sources outside their bubble to write a properly encyclopedic page. XOR'easter ( talk) 18:27, 2 October 2021 (UTC) reply
• Delete I would like se see rather more non primary sources.15:26, 4 October 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slatersteven ( talk • contribs)
• Comment - A possible merge or redirect target may be Sofia University (California) where Journal of Transpersonal Psychology links for "Transpersonal Institute", that this is apparently a division of, — Paleo Neonate – 21:56, 6 October 2021 (UTC) reply
• Merge to Journal of Transpersonal Psychology, the most appropriate target (although I'm a bit surprised fringeophobes haven't tried to delete that as well). The ATP seems somewhat significant in the transpersonal psychology field, and while I haven't found enough coverage to warrant a stand-alone article, scant coverage of the formation of the ATP exists in reliable sources and merging/redirecting is preferable to outright deletion per WP:ATD-M. The Board of Directors list can be purged entirely as unencyclopedic trivia. --Animalparty! ( talk) 06:35, 8 October 2021 (UTC) reply

• Comment Usually we merge obscure or gray-area journals to the organizations that publish them, rather than vice versa, since publishing the journal is usually only one of the organization's activities, and so it's easier to establish wiki-notability of the organization. The Journal of Transpersonal Psychology doesn't appear to be indexed in Scopus, and finding anything in-depth and independent about its history is something of a challenge, so if it came to AfD it might have a rough time. We do have Transpersonal psychology#Organizations, publications and locations, which seems like a good enough spot to merge/redirect any organization or publication in the area whose wiki-notability is not clear-cut. XOR'easter ( talk) 17:42, 9 October 2021 (UTC) reply
• Happy with merge. I think there's some info in the article that may be able to provide context if it was in another article - but their structure is pretty wiggly so it's a bit unclear where to merge to:
  • From the ATP article: Both ATP and JTP are divisions of the Transpersonal Institute, a nonprofit organization. With considering the Association for Transpersonal Psychology as a Non-profit organisation. Sourced. I'm pretty sure the first time it says nonprofit, they meant for-profit - otherwise the 2nd sentence breaks Grice's maxims, and it'd be wrong based on the other things I've gathered.
  • From the JTP article: [JTP] is ... published by the Association for Transpersonal Psychology. ... In the mid-1970s the journal was published by Transpersonal Institute. (with TI linking to Sofia Uni; both statements unsourced)
  • From the Sofia Uni article: Sofia University is a private for-profit university in Palo Alto, California. It was originally founded as the California Institute of Transpersonal Psychology by Robert Frager and James Fadiman in 1975. This one was... oversourced. The article also says it was the Institute of Transpersonal Psychology for a few decades.
  • The Sofia Uni website confirms that it's for-profit. The "About" page of their site otherwise broadly confirms the information about on the Sofia Uni article. I know that Californian law doesn't love companies lying about their for-profit status, so that's probably true. The rest of the stuff, who knows. JTP and ATP didn't come up when I searched on their site.
  • The ATP website doesn't mention Sofia Uni as far as I can tell, although it is also in Palo Alto. It does talk about the journal: Transpersonal psychology was first announced and defined with the publication of The Journal of Transpersonal Psychology, in 1969. ... In 1972 the Association for Transpersonal Psychology was established ...

I genuinely am not sure if it is actually related to Sofia Uni, but I think it's probably the best place to redirect the article to as it is (maybe) the parent organisation. Also, I'm pretty sure JTP is actually notable - it seems to have been one of the first journals in transpersonal psych and is mentioned as significant to the history of the field in some journal articles. It is weird for a journal but not an organisation to be notable, but that is the case here as far as I can tell. -- Xurizuri ( talk) 04:16, 13 October 2021 (UTC) reply

• Merge to Journal of Transpersonal Psychology per WP:ATD. 4meter4 ( talk) 20:29, 22 October 2021 (UTC) reply
• Merge to Journal of Transpersonal Psychology is fine. In the future, we can revisit whether that particular journal deserves inclusion in WP, but in the meantime it seems reasonable to redirect users to that article if they happen to google the association, for whatever reason. jps ( talk) 02:04, 23 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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