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The result was delete. Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 06:57, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Archelaus II of Macedon
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There does not seem to be any modern evidence that Archelaus II existed. The only reference is to a work by Sir Walter Raleigh!! The article's facts and dates clash or are inconsistent with articles that rely on more reliable sources. Chewings72 ( talk) 10:57, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Royalty and nobility, and Greece. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 11:39, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. A sixteen-year hoax. Nice. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 15:16, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Not mentioned at List of kings of Macedonia, which does seems to indicate this is likely a hoax. Curbon7 ( talk) 22:15, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Not sure which Wiki policy this article exactly violates, but there never was an Archelaus II. This name does not appear on any list of Macedonian kings from any modern scholarly source (see below). The article is the result of a misunderstanding created by the conflicting extant sources about this period in Macedonian history (400/399–369 BC).
To clarify, the succession order given by modern sources is generally Perdiccas II -> Archelaus (I) -> Orestes -> Aeropus II -> Amyntas II -> Pausanias -> Amyntas III. Eusebius and Synkellos, writing in Late antiquity/ early medieval period, record Orestes’ successor as "Archelaus" (our Archelaus II). However, Diodorus, as well as a few other sources, call Orestes' successor "Aeropos" (March pp. 275-276). What’s likely going on here is that Aeropos adopted the name "Archelaus" when he became king (March p. 280). Alternatively, the "Archelaus" could be a mistake in the Eusebian and Synkellan sources (King p.65, Hammond 1979 p.168). In either case, there is no Archelaus II.
This is all pretty complicated, so anyone interested in this niche subject should read Duane A. March's journal article The Kings of Makedon: 399-369 B.C.
| Source | Archelaus II |
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| Eder, Walter; Renger, Johannes, eds. (2006). Chronologies of the Ancient World: Names, Dates, and Dynasties. Boston: Brill. pp. 188–190. | X |
| Morby, John (1989). Dynasties of the World: A Chronological and Genealogical Handbook. Oxford University Press. pp. 29–30. | X |
| Roisman, Joseph (2010)." Classical Macedonia to Perdiccas III". In Roisman, Joseph; Worthington, Ian (eds.). A Companion to Ancient Macedonia. Wiley-Blackwell. p. 158. | X |
| Errington, R. Malcolm (1990). A History of Macedonia. University of California Press. pp. 251–253. | X |
| Hammond, N.G.L. (1979). A History of Macedonia Volume II: 550-336 B.C. Oxford: Clarendon Press. pp. 167–169. | X |
| Strootman, Rolf (2014). Courts and Elites in the Hellenistic Empires: The Near East After the Achaemenids, c. 330 to 30 BCE Edinburgh: Edinburgh University Press. pp. xiv–xv. | X |
| Heckel, Waldemar (2020). Lexicon of Argead Makedonia. Berlin: Frank & Timme. p. 25. | X |
| King, Carol J. (2018). Ancient Macedonia. New York, NY: Routledge. pp. xvi–xviii. ISBN 978-0-415-82727-0. | X |
A big thank you to user:Chewings72 for bringing this to AFD. I’ve been meaning to take care of it since I first started editing Wikipedia! BusterTheMighty ( talk) 02:36, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to
Aeropus II of Macedon and explain the confusion there. The Italian Wiki cites Eusebius. Moreover, if
Aeropos adopted the name "Archelaus" when he became king
, then there is an Archelaus II, he's just not a different person from Aeropus II. Srnec ( talk) 03:37, 6 February 2024 (UTC) - Redirect and explain at Aeropus II, as Srnec suggests. That seems like a reasonable way of dealing with confusion that might have arisen from ancient sources or modern ones. P Aculeius ( talk) 12:54, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.