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The result was delete. Jayjg (talk) 17:42, 17 January 2010 (UTC) reply

Annika Väisänen

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I confess that I do not read... is that Finnish? However, I can see that the name 'Annika Vaisanen' does not appear in most of the cited sources of this article, and that the person described in the article does not appear to meet the notability criteria. FisherQueen ( talk · contribs) 14:06, 10 January 2010 (UTC) reply

I am not sure what you are talking about, sorry but I think if you don't understand Finnish, you should not make such statements. All references have my name on them except the one about the exhibition. That was my old job in a gallery. -- Linnea78 ( talk) 14:09, 10 January 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Comment for some reason, User:Linnea78 keeps moving the page from Annika Väisänen to Annika Vaisanen. The name is correctly spelled Väisänen. Ilyushka ☃ Talk! Contribs 14:11, 10 January 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Comment. Linnea, if you are Annika Vaisanen, then it is not appropriate for you to write about yourself. Also, in my opinion, one doesn't have to read Finnish to see that none of those articles is about Annika Vaisanen- you may wish to review the notability criteria. - FisherQueen ( talk · contribs) 14:14, 10 January 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Article about her is going to be deleted also in Finnish Wikipedia. Nro92 ( talk) 14:17, 10 January 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per WP:BIO. Also a google search with her name gives under 3,000 results. I don't believe that all of the results are about this person. Not much research has to be done to find out the article fails notability. Ilyushka ☃ Talk! Contribs 14:25, 10 January 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Whar article do you claim is not about Annika Vaisanen be more specific please? Last time I checked the reference links worked fine -- Linnea78 ( talk) 14:27, 10 January 2010 (UTC) The internet links have all Annika Vaisanen on them?! reply
    • Question Which article do you think best explains who Annika Vaisanen is and why she is important in the world of art criticism? Which one has her as its main subject, and confirms the information in the Wikipedia article? - FisherQueen ( talk · contribs) 14:30, 10 January 2010 (UTC) reply

All these articles are about Vaisanen as the main subject: (Helsingin Sanomat is the biggest and most respected neswpaper in Finland). I don't know how to copy paste the articles she has written, but there's direct links to several at the bottom of the article. -- Linnea78 ( talk) 14:35, 10 January 2010 (UTC) The first and second reference are not online as far as I know, but I can scan you the paper version from the magazines. -- Linnea78 ( talk) 14:37, 10 January 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Heikkinen, Mikko-Pekka (19 May 2000). "Suomalainen roomalainen". Helsingin Sanomat (Newspaper). {{ cite news}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= ( help)
  • Merilä, Kai (25 May 2000). "Lainasin vartaloni filmitähdelle". 7 Päivää (Magazine). {{ cite news}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= ( help)
The first two links do not go to an article at all.

Yes... because they are print only! -- 213.145.198.14 ( talk) 22:52, 16 January 2010 (UTC) reply 

 The third link is by Annika, not about her, and tells us nothing about her or her notability.

Yes it does, it tells about working in the Gladiator film with a picture from the set, in the biggest and most respected newspaper in Finland!-- 213.145.198.14 ( talk) 22:52, 16 January 2010 (UTC) reply 

 The fourth article is the only one that is even related to her; it is very short, and doesn't seem to be related to art criticism. -
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The third link is a commentary (not an actual newsarticle) written by Annika about her experiences on the Gladiator crew. It was featured in the culture section of the newspaper, which that day featured articles about the phenomenon "violent entertainment from the classical era" (ie. Rome (TV series) etc, and especially a book review of Fik Meijer's The Gladiators).

The fourth link and the accompanying larger article in the actual Hymy-magazine is a "kiss and tell" -story, involving Perttu Kivilaakso, Annika and Anne-Mari Berg. Annikas views ("you can keep him") are prominently featured, although the article would surely not have been written nor published, had it not featured Kivilaakso and Berg (finnish Hilton-style celebrity, whose ordeals are in pretty much all of the finnish sensational media). -- Piisamson ( talk) 21:01, 10 January 2010 (UTC) reply

The article is about Annika telling about her relationship with Perttu Kivilaakso, the rocker. Berg, the so called "celebrity" who is mainy known for having large silicon boobs and is selling makeup door to door, is not exactly notable. She was mentioned in a "box" at the end of the article. At least Annika has got some merits on her own. She has actually done something notable in life. -- 213.145.198.14 ( talk) 22:52, 16 January 2010 (UTC) reply

Annika Vaisanen is a writer, who also has written art criticisms to the biggest neswspaper in Finland. [1] http://www.feelthedarkness.com/spaw/img_popup.php?img_url=/images/spaw/hesari_1.jpg I wonder if you read the article at all? As I said, the first 2 references are links to the magazines, which have written about her. The references do state the year and date of the publication. Do you need page numbers?

Annika Vaisanen has worked as a stand in and double for the actress Connie Nielsen in the feature film gladiator. "Näkymiä Colosseumin aitiosta" is about that. Several Finnish magazines wrote about her experience in Gladiator. There is both her NAME and PICTURE in the article. http://www.hs.fi/kulttuuri/artikkeli/Näkymiä+Colosseumin+aitiosta/HS20090103SI1KU026bd

What comes t the HYMY magazine article, it's not fully in the internet. The actual magazine is still in the shops, that's why. Tha article is 4 pages, and there is her picture in it 3 times, also in the cover of the magazine. http://www.hymy.fi/tasta-puhutaan/kolmiodraamassa-vastakkain-kohumalli-ja-salarakas-pida-apocalyptica-perttu-enaa-en-hanta-huoli

Any other questions? -- Linnea78 ( talk) 14:46, 10 January 2010 (UTC) reply

2 other magazine articles about her (articles are not online):

↑ Maija Tiensuu: Ihanasti Boheemi. Deko magazine, 1.4.2008, s. 52-57. Yhtyneet kuvalehdet Oy. ↑ Annika Väisänen: Maailma kotona. Trendi magazine, 1.2.2008, s. 98-101. Forma —Preceding unsigned comment added by Linnea78 ( talk • contribs) 15:00, 10 January 2010 (UTC) reply

2 more articles where Vaisanen has been quoted (the other is a jazz album, which she reviewed and the second is an art exhibition).:

http://www.cymbidium.fi/index.php?page=Helsinki_Cooler_vol_3

http://www.totuusvaitehtava.fi/omaelamankerrat-ja-kulkurunot -- Linnea78 ( talk) 15:11, 10 January 2010 (UTC) reply

  • Delete She is a freelance writer with some articles in different newspapers and magazines, nothing more. A stunt role in a Hollywood film is not a big issue. To be deleted (=Kannatan poistoa) in fi.Wikipedia. -- Ufinne ( talk) 20:41, 10 January 2010 (UTC) reply
  • 'Keep as she is in a love triange with a famous Finnish musician from Apoalyptica, Perttu Kivilaakso. Hymy magazine put Vaisanen in their January cover! The other 2 people from the "triangle" have their pages on Wikipedia. http://www.hymy.fi/

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213.145.198.14 ( talk) 20:52, 10 January 2010 (UTC) reply

G7. Author requests deletion, if requested in good faith and provided that the only substantial content to the page and to the associated talk page was added by its author. (For redirects created as a result of a pagemove, the mover must also have been the only substantive contributor to the pages prior to the move.) If the sole author blanks a page other than a userspace page or category page, this can be taken as a deletion request.-- Linnea78 ( talk) 10:32, 11 January 2010 (UTC) {{ db-author}}, {{ db-self}}, {{ db-blanked}} reply

  • Delete. The person in question is a freelance writer with no national notability. Artistic merits are minor. Having played as an extra in a movie does establish notability, either. -- MPorciusCato ( talk) 18:09, 11 January 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Keep This article should stay! She has got more merits than 99% of Finnish people. Article is well sourced and the merits are international. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.143.167.10 ( talk) 10:26, 16 January 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Favoring keeping for these reasons: ' WP:CREATIVE WP:GNG WP:NOTFILM WP:INDY Describes the value of having sources independent of the subject WP:POTENTIALAn article should be judged based on what it can grow into one day, not what it already is WP:JUSTAVOTE "Votes" of simply the words "keep" or "delete" do not make a case and are not counted in a deletion discussion. WP:DEADLINE There is no deadline to make any edits to any articles or to finish any project — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.145.198.14 ( talk • contribs)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
  1. ^ Väisänen's art criticism in Helsingin Sanomat: [2]
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