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The result was delete. Indepth coverage was not established and the
WP:BURDEN was not acted upon.
Mkdwtalk 05:11, 12 December 2015 (UTC)reply
Non-notable boxer does not meet
WP:NBOX. I had PROD'd this for the same reason but the de-PRODer disagreed about not meeting
WP:NBOX - and of course I disagree with that.
Peter Rehse (
talk) 17:38, 13 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep - meets prong #2 of
WP:NBOX. Has fought for and won a regional WBO title (Oriental title). Also, for a guy that has only once fought outside of Russia (and that was in Moldova) I found a number of English sources that discuss him:
[1],
[2],
[3], and
[4]. Of course a lot of these are not in depth, but considering this level of coverage in English and the meeting of
WP:NBOX I think its fair to presume that Russian sources exist. Therefore keep.
RonSigPi (
talk) 17:58, 13 November 2015 (UTC)reply
With respect to
WP:NBOX #1 applies and he did not fight for the world title of the WBO
Peter Rehse (
talk) 18:03, 13 November 2015 (UTC)reply
I agree #1 is not met, but #2 is. Only one of the four need met - failing to not meet another is irrelevant. Otherwise, someone like
Manny Pacquiao or
Jack Johnson would not meet the guidelines since they didn't have an amateur career that meets #4.
RonSigPi (
talk) 19:03, 13 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Sorry I just don't see how #2 is met.
Peter Rehse (
talk) 19:05, 13 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 03:25, 21 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete Fighting for a vacant minor title is not enough. Title is another questionable one from a boxing organization. Two non-Orientals fighting for the vacant Oriental title seems like an attempt to pad resumes.
Mdtemp (
talk) 15:23, 27 November 2015 (UTC)reply
@
Mdtemp: "
Orient" means the east, ie Asia. And 90 percent of Russia is in Asia. I don't know where you think the Philippines is...
—МандичкаYO 😜 02:58, 28 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Bogdanov is from near the Estonian border which can hardly be considered Asia. Without wanting to get too sidetracked, back when I was in school during the Dark Ages we were taught there were 3 races--Caucasian, Negroid, and Oriental. I always figured that Mdtemp, like almost all WP editors was a lot younger than I am, but using it as a race definition then both fighters would be "non-Oriental". I don't think any of this aspect necessarily reflects on notability one way or the other.
Bogdanov is not representing Pskov, he is representing RUSSIA, which spans Asia. And what athletic competitions are categorized by RACE? That is seriously laughable.
—МандичкаYO 😜 02:51, 1 December 2015 (UTC)reply
Even though I said I didn't want to go into this, I feel compelled to respond. Russia is considered part of Europe by every athletics association I'm aware of. Furthermore, he's representing himself--not Russia. I doubt that there is a universal agreement of what countries make up the Orient--Australia is further east than China, but I don't know any Australians who consider themselves Oriental. Germany is east of France, are they Oriental? It may seem like I'm being silly, but vaguely named titles do seem a bit confusing. As I said originally, this is off topic and I'll comment no more on this aspect.
Papaursa (
talk) 03:15, 1 December 2015 (UTC)reply
The Philippines is clearly in the Orient. Obviously the World Boxing Federation considers Russia eligible to compete in the Orient title. This is separate from the Asian titles. You can contact them for answers.
—МандичкаYO 😜 05:03, 9 December 2015 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Sam SailorTalk! 01:50, 28 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep - per WBO title and significant coverage in Russian press.
—МандичкаYO 😜 02:58, 28 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Which again does not contribute to
WP:NBOX being a regional non-world title.
Peter Rehse (
talk) 08:47, 28 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Weak Delete While I think it could be argued he meets criteria #2 of
WP:NBOX, those guidelines have been discussed previously as being very, indeed overly, generous. In this case I think GNG trumps SNG, and he doesn't appear to meet
WP:GNG with coverage being limited to fight announcements and results.
Papaursa (
talk) 03:29, 30 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Papaursa That's not true; he's had enough coverage to meet GNG, including television profiles
[5],
[6],
[7][8].
WP:BEFORE states you need to look for native language sources before AFD and nominator did not do that.
—МандичкаYO 😜 05:03, 9 December 2015 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: This will be the last relist. —
Jkudlicktcs 04:33, 6 December 2015 (UTC)reply
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Jkudlicktcs 04:33, 6 December 2015 (UTC)reply
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