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Amir Gwirtzman

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What exactly makes this person encyclopedic - notable? GizzyCatBella 🍁 09:21, 15 October 2021 (UTC) reply


I am the creator of the article. When making the article I followed to the best of my abilities the Wiki notability guidelines for musicians Wikipedia:Notability (music). I will now argue them with sources. I have also updated the article to include relevant notable information about the artist.

1. Independent newspaper articles about the artist:

Various relevant newspaper articles discuss Gwirtzman (Vietnam news, Jerusalem post, Večernji list, Jewish Week NY, Times of Israel, Chicago Tribune, Apple music, Radio Bulgaria etc.)

The artist and his mastery, as well as performances are covered in numerous articles: Amir Gwirtzman is a renowned Israeli Jazz/World music master musician. https://obu.edu/stories/news/2010/04/29/ouachita-hosts-international-instrumentalist-amir-gwirtzman.php , https://www.kennedy-center.org/artists/g/go-gz/amir-gwirtzman/ , https://jhvonline-com.translate.goog/yom-limmud-to-feature-variety-of-musical-styles-p8281.htm?_x_tr_sl=en&_x_tr_tl=hr&_x_tr_hl=hr&_x_tr_pto=nui,sc , https://vietnamnews.vn/life-style/music/167843/israeli-crosses-musical-borders.html , https://poduckun.net/slavni-jazz-glazbenik-amir-gwirtzman-veceras-hkd-na-susaku/ , https://bnr.bg/en/post/100165536/multii-instrumentalist-amir-gwirtzman-from-israel-an-interview

“One of Israel's leading jazz musicians...a kind of cultural ambassador for the Jewish state...” (– The Jewish Week NY) https://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/israeli-jazzmans-southern-swing-2/

Gwirtzman has been described by a famous Chicago Tribune's Jazz critic Howard Reich as a "charming anomaly in Jazz" whose music makes "epochs speaking to one another as he switches between one instrument and the other". https://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/music/ct-ent-0522-jazz-israeli-20130522-column.html "He speaks in a unique musical language and is a one-man big band". https://yosmusic.com/%d7%90%d7%9e%d7%99%d7%a8-%d7%92%d7%91%d7%99%d7%a8%d7%a6%d7%9e%d7%9f-babel-gumbo/ Gwirtzman is one of the very few musicians in the world who masters more than 20 woodwind instruments from various cultures and places: Saxophones, Clarinet, Bass Clarinet, Flute, Bagpipes, Zornas, Duduk, Arghul, Quena, Piri, Shofar, and Indian, Irish, Vietnamese, Arabic, and Chinese flutes, and many others. https://www.kennedy-center.org/artists/g/go-gz/amir-gwirtzman/ , https://yosmusic.com/%d7%90%d7%9e%d7%99%d7%a8-%d7%92%d7%91%d7%99%d7%a8%d7%a6%d7%9e%d7%9f-babel-gumbo/ , https://www.mentelocale.it/venezia/eventi/184391-3065-4542-amir-gwirtzman.htm , http://www.prospettivemagazine.com/amir-gwirtzman-inhale-exhale/

criteria 2. and 5. Gwirtzman's albums and discography:

Solo albums: - Amir Gwirtzman: Inhale-exhale (2010) http://amirgwirtzmanmusic.com/?page_id=35 https://www.amazon.com/Inhale-Exhale/dp/B007HBNB5Q - Amir Gwirtzman: Inhale exhale 2 Bubel Gumbo (2017) https://yosmusic.com/yos7701/ http://amirgwirtzmanmusic.com/?page_id=35

Amir Gwirtzman played on albums of many notable musicians: 

   Shlomo Artzi - חום יולי אוגוסט, Hed Arzi (1988)
   Zvi Booms - מקומות אחרים, MCI (1989)
   Shlomo Artzi - כרטיס ללונה פארק, Hed Arzi (1990)
   Esta- Esta,  MCI records (1990)
   Rami Kleistein – אהביני, Helicon records (1991)
   Yehuda Poliker - לעיניך הכחולות, NMC (1992)
   Shlomo Artzi - האוסף המשולש, Hed Arzi (1993)
   1996 Esta- Mediterranean crossroads- Newance label, Newance
   1999 Arik Einstein & Shalom Hanoch – Muscat, NMC
   Rita- תפתח חלון - Helicon Records (1999)
   Rami Kleinstein - תגיד את זה - Helicon records (2000)
   Esta- Home made world, Newance label, NMC (2002)
   Shlomi Shabat - זמן אהבה, NMC united entertainment Ltd (2003)
   Dudu Tasa- מתוך בחירה, Hed Artzi (2003)
   Alon Olearchik - Once upon a time in the Galilee - NMC United entertainment Ltd (2003)
   Gidi Gov -  בקצה ההר, NMC (2005)
   Rita - ONE - Nana disc (2006)
   Manou Gallo -  Lowlin, IglooMondo (2009)
   Sleeping Camels- "Wake up", NarRator Records (2010)
   Shlomi Shabat - אחד לנשמה אחד למסיבה, NMC (2012)
   Mokoomba - Rising Tide, Igloo (2012)
   Between Friends: Tribute To Jerzy Milian, Wytwórnia (2014)
   Naked - Nakedonia, NarRator Records (2015)
   Doron Raphaeli- Bet Aba (2017)
   Tihomir Pop Asanovic - Povratak prvoj ljubavi, Croatia Records (2019)
   Bernard Maseli - Drifter,  Polish Jazz Masters / Warner Music (2021)
   The isolation band - Jazz favorites 2 - Leibla Music Ltd. (2021)


criteria 4: has received coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour

- Gwirtzman received a prestigious The Charles and Lynn Schusterman family foundation, Visiting Artist program 2010, 2011 for his solo project https://ejewishphilanthropy.com/leading-israeli-artists-selected-for-u-s-residencies/,

In 2010 he was invited by the prestigious Charles and Lynn Schusterman foundation as Visiting Artist, with his solo project, to tour across 13 states in the American south, for 4 months, and 3 months yet again the following year, back by demand. Altogether more than 150 concerts, workshops and master classes. https://ejewishphilanthropy.com/leading-israeli-artists-selected-for-u-s-residencies/

It included Festival International de Louisiana in Lafayette Louisiana, the BB King museum in Indianola Mississippi (BB King's hometown) and at the Jazz Hall of fame in Tulsa Oklahoma.The tour was honored by a special documentary made by NPR tv Alabama ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knf1HetEh7Q).

- He performed in renowned venues such as White House in Washington DC for U.S. President Bill Clinton (1998) and in Thailand for the Thai royal family (in 2008). He also performed at the prestigious Blue Note Jazz club in NYC, the House of Blues in L.A, and Kennedy center in Washington DC. He performed as a soloist with the Jerusalem symphonic orchestra and the Bangkok symphonic orchestra. https://clintonwhitehouse4.archives.gov/WH/New/html/19980427-2973.html , https://jhvonline.com/yom-limmud-to-feature-variety-of-musical-styles-p8281-89.htm , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfTYiNs3c0I , https://embassies.gov.il/bangkok-en/NewsAndEvents/Pages/Gift-of-Music-that-Units-Us-All-The-60th-Anniversary-of-Diplomatic-Relations.aspx , (more links already added on wikipedia)

Criteria 6: is a musician who has been reasonably prominent member of notable ensemble

He was a member of media acclaimed international band Esta https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/style/1997/08/03/the-world-according-to-esta/d3a1c8c9-02bf-4476-a34c-814cebe2332f/

Criteria 7: prominent representative of the local scene and style

- “One of Israel's leading jazz musicians...a kind of cultural ambassador for the Jewish state...” (– The Jewish Week NY) https://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/israeli-jazzmans-southern-swing-2/ - Gwirtzman's mastery was recognized by a world famous saxophone maker company P. Mauriat which chose him as one of their official presenters. http://pmauriatmusic.com/en/artists/artist/231-amir-gwirtzman

Criteria 8: has won a music award

- Music composed for a short award winning documentary "Learning to sea" https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0426079/plotsummary?ref_=tt_ov_pl

- Gwirtzman received the Key to the city and an honorary citizen certificate from the Mayor of Lake-Charles, Louisiana thanks to his musical talent https://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/israeli-jazzmans-southern-swing-2/

- In honor of 60 years of diplomatic relations between the Kingdom of Thailand and the state of Israel, the Thai post issued a special edition of postal stamps with Amir Gwirtzman (on them)as a notable israeli musician. ( http://m.mfa.go.th/main/en/media-center/14/46294-The-Celebration-of-the-60th-Anniversary-of-the-Est.html) criteria 10: has performed a theme for a television show, movie, serie

- 2013: "Connected" short documentary film by Ziggy Livnat, was awarded for the music, composed by Amir Gwirtzman https://forthesea.com/short-documentaries/

- He played the music theme for Super Pharm commercial 2019 https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156090946730765&id=678245764

- Gwirtzman played music for Tv serie "Reserves" 2005-2007 https://he.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%9E%D7%99%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%90%D7%99%D7%9D_(%D7%A1%D7%93%D7%A8%D7%AA_%D7%98%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%95%D7%99%D7%96%D7%99%D7%94)#:~:text=%D7%9E%D7%99%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%90%D7%99%D7%9D%20%D7%94%D7%99%D7%90%20%D7%A1%D7%93%D7%A8%D7%AA%20%D7%98%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%95%D7%99%D7%96%D7%99%D7%94%20%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%AA,%D7%A9%D7%9C%20%D7%94%D7%90%D7%97%D7%99%D7%9D%20%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%91%D7%A9%20%22%D7%98%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%95%D7%AA%22.

In my opinion, his notability is similar or higher than several comparable artists. I can link to these artists if needed. 

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 10:58, 15 October 2021 (UTC) reply
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 10:58, 15 October 2021 (UTC) reply
@ ArchaeoPhys Thank you. Those source might be very helpful. The article tells us that Amir Gwirtzman was born in 1965 in Tel Aviv. Do we have any source for that? - GizzyCatBella 🍁 20:42, 15 October 2021 (UTC) reply
@ GizzyCatBella Thank you. Is the official Facebook page an OK source for that: https://www.facebook.com/amir.gwirtzman ? -- ArchaeoPhys ( talk) 21:05, 15 October 2021 (UTC) reply
Probably not but let’s wait for others to comment on that. - GizzyCatBella 🍁 21:16, 15 October 2021 (UTC) reply
@ GizzyCatBella Ok. How about his official website? http://amirgwirtzmanmusic.com/?page_id=33 Also, could you please let me know what, apart the above, notability sources are needed to remove the "articles for deletion" tag? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ArchaeoPhys ( talk • contribs) 23:11, 15 October 2021 (UTC) reply
Try to find some third party source, even in Hebrew. - GizzyCatBella 🍁 23:34, 15 October 2021 (UTC) reply
Something like this you just added [1]. That’s a good source. - GizzyCatBella 🍁 23:36, 15 October 2021 (UTC) reply
Thanks. Could you please read the article and my discussion above and let me know which sources are not 3rd party sources? I think all of the above sources, e.g. Chicago Tribune, Times of Israel, New York Jewish Week, qualify as 3rd party sources. -- ArchaeoPhys ( talk) 23:46, 15 October 2021 (UTC) reply
He is mentioned in passing in numerous of those third-party references. Is there more news/books anywhere that write particularly about him? Several paragraphs, at least. The more, the better. Let's wait for other people to comment. I'm still not convinced the subject is notable enough for his own article, but I might be mistaken. Meantime please search for additional sources. GizzyCatBella 🍁 00:00, 16 October 2021 (UTC) reply
@ ArchaeoPhys don’t worry, this page will not be deleted without additional input from other editors and a clear consensus. Meantime, please search for more third party sources and post them here/reference article itself. - GizzyCatBella 🍁 00:10, 16 October 2021 (UTC) reply
@ GizzyCatBella Thank you for explaining. Could you please point out a few of those in which he is 'mentioned in passing', so that I can understand better? I've added citations about his birthday using his official website, which I assume is reasonable. Other citations are from 3rd party sources.

I have added even more references to the article. Here I also list sources from reputable news sites that exclusively discuss him or at have at least several paragraphs about him in order to further demonstrate notability:


Is there some usual time frame for resolving deletion questions? I've seen that some panels stay for a long time. -- ArchaeoPhys ( talk) 17:10, 16 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Yeah, that’s much better now. I’m satisfied. Let’s wait for one or two comments from others, but as of nowt, I will be most likely in favour of keeping this article. - GizzyCatBella 🍁 19:34, 16 October 2021 (UTC) reply
@ GizzyCatBella Thank you very much. I am happy to hear this and look forward to the issue being resolved. Below are a few more national TV and radio interviews and shows. I included two of them in the article.
Chile Telethon:
https://www.teleton.cl/noticias/amir-gwirtzmann-visito-instituto-teleton-santiago/?utm_content=buffer13ede&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Spanish national Radio:
https://www.rtve.es/play/audios/la-ruta-de-las-especias/ruta-especias-asia-extremo-extremo-12-09-20/5661716/?media=rne
Albanian TV:
https://www.facebook.com/128026687252575/posts/820634187991818/
Croatian TV:
https://www.facebook.com/amir.gwirtzman/videos/10204449542772572/
-- ArchaeoPhys ( talk) 20:54, 16 October 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep Did not read the above conversation, but the sources in the article look satisfactory to me. Mlb96 ( talk) 03:45, 17 October 2021 (UTC) reply
@ Mlb96, thank you very much. @ GizzyCatBella, can we maybe expect on update on this matter soon? In two days it will be a week since the banner appeared. Thank you. -- ArchaeoPhys ( talk) 19:55, 20 October 2021 (UTC) reply
@ ArchaeoPhys - Someone should arrive soon and most likely close it as keep - GizzyCatBella 🍁 03:01, 21 October 2021 (UTC) reply
  • Keep. Lots of significant independent coverage in international press. Clearly passes criteria 1 of WP:MUSICBIO and WP:SIGCOV with the sources in the article. 4meter4 ( talk) 18:44, 24 October 2021 (UTC) reply

We have two votes as keep and additionally GizzyCatBella, who started the discussion, has said that they would now likely vote as keep. As we had a lot of discussion for more than a week now, can we close this as "keep"? Do we need input from someone who can close this? Can such person be invited? -- ArchaeoPhys ( talk) 19:32, 24 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Correct, I’m in favour of keep-ing it now. Please go ahead and close it someone. - GizzyCatBella 🍁 19:36, 24 October 2021 (UTC) reply
ArchaeoPhys can you reference the Discography section whet you get a moment? Thanks. - GizzyCatBella 🍁 19:41, 24 October 2021 (UTC) reply
@ GizzyCatBella, who can close this discussion? I am happy to provide references for the discography. How detailed should it be? Can I just link to the artist's homepage or should each one be individually referenced? I have a reference list that I wanted to add, but I am not sure whether the sources appropriate (e.g. spotify, apple music). Please see below. Is this level of detail needed at all?

Shlomo Artzi - חום יולי אוגוסט, Hed Arzi (1988) https://open.spotify.com/track/6I6rpPOw3fOvhb351TxmfY

Zvi Booms - מקומות אחרים, MCI (1989) https://www.discogs.com/release/5080671-Zvi-Booms-%D7%A6%D7%91%D7%99-%D7%91%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%A1-Other-Places-%D7%9E%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%90%D7%97%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D

Shlomo Artzi - כרטיס ללונה פארק, Hed Arzi (1990) https://www.discogs.com/release/8792552-%D7%A9%D7%9C%D7%9E%D7%94-%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%A6%D7%99-%D7%9B%D7%A8%D7%98%D7%99%D7%A1-%D7%9C%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%94-%D7%A4%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%A7 Esta - Esta, MCI records (1990) https://www.estamusic.com/ Rami Kleinstein - אהביני, Helicon records (1991) https://music.apple.com/us/album/%D7%90%D7%94%D7%91%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%99/1275005368 Yehuda Poliker - לעיניך הכחולות, NMC (1992) https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/%D7%99%D7%94%D7%95%D7%93%D7%94-%D7%A4%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%A8/%D7%9C%D7%A2%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%9A-%D7%94%D7%9B%D7%97%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%AA-for-your-blue-eyes.p/ Shlomo Artzi - האוסף המשולש, Hed Arzi (1993) https://music.apple.com/us/album/%D7%94%D7%90%D7%95%D7%A1%D7%A3-%D7%94%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%A9/500566751 Esta - Mediterranean crossroads- Newance label, Newance (1996) https://www.discogs.com/release/7104982-Esta-Mediterranean-Crossroads Arik Einstein & Shalom Hanoch - Muscat, NMC (1999) https://www.discogs.com/release/7268220-%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%A7-%D7%90%D7%99%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%A9%D7%98%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9F-Arik-Einstein-%D7%A9%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%9D-%D7%97%D7%A0%D7%95%D7%9A-Shalom-Hanoch-%D7%9E%EF%AC%B5%D7%A1%D7%A7%D7%98-Muscat Rita - תפתח חלון - Helicon Records (1999) https://music.apple.com/fm/album/%D7%97%D7%91%D7%A8-%D7%A9%D7%9C-%D7%A4%D7%A2%D7%9D-single/1249788500 Rami Kleinstein - תגיד את זה - Helicon records (2000) https://www.discogs.com/release/9185389-%D7%A8%D7%9E%D7%99-%D7%A7%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%A9%D7%98%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9F-%D7%AA%D7%92%D7%99%D7%93-%D7%90%D7%AA-%D7%96%D7%94 Esta - Home made world, Newance label, NMC (2002) https://www.discogs.com/it/release/11440480-Esta-Home-Made-World Shlomi Shabat - זמן אהבה, NMC united entertainment Ltd (2003) https://music.apple.com/co/album/%D7%96%D7%9E%D7%9F-%D7%90%D7%94%D7%91%D7%94/1572555590?l=en Dudu Tassa - מתוך בחירה, Hed Artzi (2003) https://music.apple.com/gt/album/scharhoret-%D7%A1%D7%97%D7%A8%D7%97%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%AA/531090372 Alon Olearchik - Once upon a time in the Galilee - NMC United entertainment Ltd (2003) https://www.disccenter.co.il/prod/4594/%D7%A4%D7%A2%D7%9D-%D7%91%D7%92%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%9C-%D7%9E%D7%91%D7%98-%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%96%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%9C%D7%99 

   Gidi Gov -  בקצה ההר, NMC (2005) 
https://music.apple.com/us/album/%D7%91%D7%A7%D7%A6%D7%94-%D7%94%D7%94%D7%A8/593314927
   Rita - ONE - Nana disc (2006) 
https://music.apple.com/us/album/one/1465631659
   Manou Gallo -  Lowlin, IglooMondo (2009) 
https://www.igloorecords.be/artist/manou-gallo/?lang=en
   Sleeping Camels - "Wake up", NarRator Records (2010) 
https://www.discogs.com/release/14365425-Sleeping-Camels-Wake-up-
   Shlomi Shabat - אחד לנשמה אחד למסיבה, NMC (2012) 
https://open.spotify.com/album/1jLPvQwqFopcBsTr0Xt9PQ
   Mokoomba - Rising Tide, Igloo (2012) 
https://www.discogs.com/release/4303391-Mokoomba-Rising-Tide
   Between Friends: Tribute To Jerzy Milian, Wytwórnia (2014) 
https://www.discogs.com/release/7128157-Various-Between-Friends-Tribute-To-Jerzy-Milian
   Naked - Nakedonia, NarRator Records (2015) 
https://www.discogs.com/release/7086002-Naked-Nakedonia
   Doron Raphaeli - Bet Aba (2017)  
https://www.amazon.com/%D7%91%D7%99%D7%AA-%D7%90%D7%91%D7%90/dp/B077LZCZWG
   Tihomir Pop Asanovic - Povratak prvoj ljubavi, Croatia Records (2019) 
https://crorec.net/album/tihomir-pop-asanovic-povratak-prvoj-ljubavi/
   Bernard Maseli - Drifter,  Polish Jazz Masters / Warner Music (2021) 
https://music.apple.com/cz/artist/bernard-maseli/320395640
   The isolation band - Jazz favorites 2 - Leibla Music Ltd. (2021) 
https://jazznblues.club/viewtopic.php?t=54453

-- ArchaeoPhys ( talk) 19:50, 24 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Yeah, these sources are okay. No rush, but it’s better to have everything referenced.- GizzyCatBella 🍁 19:54, 24 October 2021 (UTC) reply
@ ArchaeoPhys actually wait. I’m not sure if you can use sources to the sites that sell his albums...I’m not sure. I’ll check. - GizzyCatBella 🍁 20:02, 24 October 2021 (UTC) reply
@ ArchaeoPhys - I asked for help [2], she is a good, hard-working editor, if not too busy, this should be dealt with quickly. - GizzyCatBella 🍁 20:21, 24 October 2021 (UTC) reply
@ GizzyCatBella Thank you! -- ArchaeoPhys ( talk) 17:45, 25 October 2021 (UTC) reply
Next experienced editor that arrives here should close it, I think. Sometimes things are slow around here. Sorry. - GizzyCatBella 🍁 19:57, 24 October 2021 (UTC) reply
@ ArchaeoPhys Perhaps requesting a closure here --> [3] is going to be a quicker option. - GizzyCatBella 🍁 16:49, 25 October 2021 (UTC) reply
@ GizzyCatBella Thanks. I made the request. -- ArchaeoPhys ( talk) 17:43, 25 October 2021 (UTC) reply
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