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The result was delete. Also, in my capacity as an editor, after deletion I'll create a redirect to Wrecking Ball (Miley Cyrus song)#Cover versions Salvio Let's talk about it! 15:33, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
Alonzo Holt
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The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. A internet search turns up zero coverage in reliable sources. Without significant independent coverage in reliable sources, the subject is not notable enough for their own article. He has one cover song that charted lowly, at all only really due to the popularity of the featured artist. A small mention in either the Wrecking Ball (Miley Cyrus song) or James Arthur (singer) article is enough. Not to mention there is someone that keeps spamming the article with hoax content that has become quite annoying to revert, so no point in keeping the article if the subject is not even notable enough to begin with. STATic message me! 05:31, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
- Delete: The subject of this article doesn't appear to be notable. The sources cited do not contain significant coverage. versace1608 ( talk) 06:28, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
- Delete I was notified as the "creator" of this article, but I suspect that I just moved this to article space at the request of a non-confirmed user, I know nothing about the guy, non-notable Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:43, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
- Keep per
WP:MUSICBIO criterion #2. To be notable for our purposes, he needs to have had a hit on any major national chart and Holt does that. Also "it keeps getting spammed" isn't a reason for deletion - protect the bloody thing! I'll ask for pending changes protection.--
Laun
chba
ller 08:18, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
- @ Launchballer: View the page history and ask yourself have I been not? I do not see you reverting them every time they pop up. Also just meeting a single point and none of the others of WP:MUSICBIO, does not indicate passing it. The main point of MUSICBIO is, "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself." The subject clearly does not meet the WP:GNG. The UK chart position is not even backed by an official reliable source, so it should be subject to removal. @ Robert McClenon: Yes but not meeting WP:GNG is. STATic message me! 18:34, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
- Keep as per Launchballer comment. The vandalism is not a reason for deletion. Robert McClenon ( talk) 14:39, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
- Redirect to Wrecking Ball (Miley Cyrus song)#Cover versions, which already contains: "Canadian singer-songwriter Alonzo Holt released his own rendition of the track in October, which featured vocals from Arthur; it peaked at number 97 on the UK Singles Chart and number 71 on the Irish Singles Chart." As there is no other claim to notability, duplicating this info in a standalone Holt article seems rather unnecessary. Readers searching for this person are no doubt looking for info on his "Wrecking Ball" cover, so a redirect to that section seems appropriate until (if) he achieves fame in some other way. As for meeting #2 of WP:MUSIC, the guideline also states that "meeting any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept", and given the tiny amount of info on this person, I feel a redirect is the better way to go for the aforementioned reasons. Gong show 19:29, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
- Would it help if I was to point out there was quite a bit more information about him even before IPs attacked it which
STATicVapor removed - see
this.--
Laun
chba
ller 08:20, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
- Yes information all backed to Facebook or not sourced at all. 1) Facebook adds zero notability at all per WP:PRIMARY and any understanding of WP:N. 2) I am not convinced at all that is even the singers Facebook since that page is filled with the same hoax content. Not sure how someone with 34 likes on Facebook and 15 on Twitter even got a song to chart anyways, which further supports that it is not the same person. All in all, still fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO STATic message me! 08:44, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
- The information found in this version would show sufficient notability (being signed to a couple of different record labels) if there were reliable sources supporting it, but all there is is a Facebook page. And that page seems to be about the hoax version - look at the birth place (Brooklyn, New York), which tallies with the IP vandalism. Except that here the Stratford, Ontario birthplace seems to be sourced to the same Facebook page. And the original version, which was probably created on request from a non-confirmed user as per Jimfbleak above, had him down as being born in Burbank, California. I'm starting to wonder if this isn't all a complete hoax. -- bonadea contributions talk 11:16, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
- The Allmusic bio is helpful, and with more like that (i.e., non-trivial, reliable and independent of the subject) I could support a standalone article. None of the sources used in earlier versions of the article appear useful in establishing notability - just Facebook, Twitter, last.fm, iTunes, Amazon, Instagram, and the like. Gong show 21:50, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
- Would it help if I was to point out there was quite a bit more information about him even before IPs attacked it which
STATicVapor removed - see
this.--
Laun
chba
ller 08:20, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
- Delete per my comment above. If this is a real person with a real (low-) charting song, there has to be coverage in some reliable source or other, but that does not seem to be the case. Unless and until such coverage emerges, this article should go. -- bonadea contributions talk 11:16, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 15:40, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 15:40, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
- Delete. No credible source supporting notability. I agree with User:Gongshow. PK T(alk) 01:50, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
- Delete, while he technically meets WP:MUSIC, that guideline also makes it clear that meeting that guideline in itself shouldn't be considered grounds for an automatic keep. In this case, Holt has had one very minor hit, and there doesn't seem to be much in the way of substantial coverage of him in reliable sources. I don't think he meets WP:BIO or the WP:GNG. Lankiveil ( speak to me) 11:22, 16 March 2014 (UTC).
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