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The result was delete. Sourcing is insufficient Star Mississippi 01:53, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
Ali Jihami
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Refbombed promotional piece. Not convinced that there's enough here to meet WP:NBIO. Majority of the refs are about the brand ambassadors for Ghandour, where Ali is not specifically mentioned. KH-1 ( talk) 12:11, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - I am the creator of this article and my contribution was based on the below facts that make the entity pass several criteria(though it needs to pass just one) of Wikipedia:Notability (people):
1. The person has made a widely recognized contribution to the growth of Ghandour Cosmetics Limited, serving for 20years and more. https://ameyawdebrah.com/20-years-of-ali-jihamis-as-ghandour-cosmeticss-marketing-and-sales-manager/ 2. A recipient of a national award in Ghana. https://www.myjoyonline.com/national-fmcg-summit-and-awards-2022-check-out-the-full-list-of-winners/ 3. From KH-1's comment, Mr Ali was mentioned in most of the sources as responsible for the signings as stated clearly in https://thenet.ng/omotola-becomes-brand-ambassador-for-ghanaian-cosmetic-company/ and https://www.ghanacelebrities.com/2011/03/15/miss-ghana-stephanie-is-face-of-bo-16/ 4. The entity is notable and has received significant coverage in multiple publications from credible media houses like: i) The Guardian - https://guardian.ng/slide/ali-jihami-reflects-on-life-growing-up-in-lebanon/ ii) New Telegraph - https://www.newtelegraphng.com/ali-jihami-i-am-fun-loving-optimistic/ iii) Ameyaw Debrah - https://ameyawdebrah.com/20-years-of-ali-jihamis-as-ghandour-cosmeticss-marketing-and-sales-manager/ iv) Vanguard - https://www.vanguardngr.com/2022/03/my-near-death-experience-%E2%80%95ali-jihami/ v) ModernGhana - https://www.modernghana.com/nollywood/26645/omotola-marks-birthday-with-an-international-mouth.html
-- Geezygee ( talk) 13:41, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. KH-1 ( talk) 12:11, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Ghana, and Lebanon. Shellwood ( talk) 12:19, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment There's a lot to unpack here but I'll try to cover as much as possible. The "National FMCG Summit and Awards" is a marketing industry award, where Ali won in the category of "Beauty & Personal Care". My view is that this is not notable by Wikipedia's standards, and it's a stretch to claim that it as a "well-known and significant award or honor" (ANYBIO #1). The sources listed as either A) not independent of the subject or B) not significant coverage. Here's a sample: ref 1 has the format of a press release (Ali's contact details are at the bottom), ref 2 was written by the subject. If you go through the rest of the sources you'll notice that none of the them discuss Ali's work in any serious or in-depth manner. These are essentially puff pieces, i.e. about his background/growing up in Lebanon [1] [2], to one story about how he is apparently "Fun Loving, Optimistic" [3]. These sources do not count towards NBIO.- KH-1 ( talk) 03:11, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment How many criteria must the entity pass to warrant an article? Just one!
Let's not forget the fact that aside from the concern raised by KH-1, there are other vital pieces of stuff like his significant coverage in multiple publications. With the concerns raised, I do not think having the contact details and social media handles of a person in a publication make it invalid. I contribute to https://profileability.com/, and we add contact details to every publication. Also, I did not come across Ali Jihami as a writer for any media house; we can consider two things here, it is either the writer coincidentally share same name as the entity, or the writer of the publication contacted Ali Jihami directed for the information. Geezygee ( talk) 08:10, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 18:57, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- Vote keep - Sources prove article passes WP:GNG Jibodi ( talk) 12:56, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - Ali Jihami has played a very significant role in marketing management in Ghana and really contributed to the growth of Ghandour Cosmetics Limited as sources clearly state. AlHaq GH ( talk) 19:54, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – 333 -blue at 14:33, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete agree with the source analysis explained above. Oaktree b ( talk) 15:39, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete ROTM marketing manager who has some sector awards and no real independent in depth coverage. Mccapra ( talk) 18:43, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Not enough independent coverage to meet GNG. With people like this who spend a lot on promotion, extra care is neded to ensure sources' intellectual independence. Ovinus ( talk) 21:24, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - I made some facts on WP:GNG above, kindly check all details and make your off-wiki research before you vote delete. Thanks Geezygee ( talk) 08:42, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
Keep- This entity passes WP:GNG, notable sources from credible media houses in his region. See more here Jibodi ( talk) 18:42, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
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