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The result was delete. MER-C 13:32, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
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Fails WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO: the sources are mostly a collection of self-published articles (e.g. Forbes contributor network), interviews and trivial mentions. Even the probably strongest source - the Entrepreneur.com article - contains very little biographical detail and is mostly about his company. The company itself likely fails WP:NCORP. Rentier ( talk) 18:12, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete Promotional article, created by a WP:SPA. Lack of WP:SIGCOV in reliable sources. Edwardx ( talk) 00:47, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Just took a look, removed some unsubstantiated claims and poor writing. Disagree that this fails WP:SIGCOV; at worst, the company itself seems to pass WP:NCORP, so this could be turned into an article on PromoAffiliates? Did find an article in Fox News if that helps. 111.93.66.66 ( talk) 17:45, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- If the company passes NCORP (I'm not sure it does), a new article can be created for it and this one turned into a redirect. The Fox News link is a mirror of the entrepreneur.com article that I mentioned in the nomination - not enough biographical detail. The potential notability of the company does not confer notability on the founder per WP:NOTINHERITED. Rentier ( talk) 19:22, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
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- Delete a non-notable businessman. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 23:33, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep I think it passes GNG. I am not much of a deletionist so I would like this kept. I think it can be improved recent edits are a pretty good start. Bottom line is, the guy seems notable enough, should be kept and improved. Elektricity ( talk) 15:30, 14 January 2018 (UTC) — Elektricity ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 08:34, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 08:34, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep notability is established by very substantial coverage such as the bylined Forbes artocle entirely about this subject. FloridaArmy ( talk) 14:37, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- Please distinguish Forbes the magazine from its "contributor network". The latter is a collection of personal blogs with no editorial oversight or fact-checking. The article contributes nothing to notability. Similarly, the entrepreneur.com article is a guest post rather than an editorially-vetted magazine article.
Rentier (
talk) 14:57, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- Lots of media contract to independent journalists for content. The article is not a personal blog it's a news piece. Perfectly appropriate.
FloridaArmy (
talk) 16:22, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- These sources fall under
WP:NEWSBLOG at best and
WP:USERGENERATED at worst. They are not to be used for establishing notability. This was discussed many times before
[1]. Forbes contributors are not generally journalists. They are
randomlightly vetted people who write personal opinion pieces. They are not generally paid for this. Rentier ( talk) 16:50, 16 January 2018 (UTC)- Did you read the entries you linked? The first notes established writers of blogs can be used. Thisbisnt a blog, it's an article in a business news magazine. And usergenerated applies to personal websites and such. The article author is a very well established tech contributor who's articles are perfectly legit. He clearly has expertise and is hinself a tech exec. They aren't fluff pieces but valid articles on subjects of significance such as this entrepreneur.
FloridaArmy (
talk) 17:55, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- You seem unwilling to admit the difference between the magazine and the network of personal blogs by independent contributors. The author has no credentials whatsoever as a journalist, and he is not an established expert on business or technology.
Rentier (
talk) 19:19, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- And you seem unwilling to admit that the piece is a news article and not a blog entry written by an expert in the field. The truth matters.
FloridaArmy (
talk) 21:24, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- Fooey. I don't think I have ever seen forbes.com/sites used as a reliable source. RSN is full of determinations that it is unsuitable. E.g. archive 207, "the usual outcome when forbes.com/sites/ ends up here". ☆ Bri ( talk) 03:40, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
- And you seem unwilling to admit that the piece is a news article and not a blog entry written by an expert in the field. The truth matters.
FloridaArmy (
talk) 21:24, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- You seem unwilling to admit the difference between the magazine and the network of personal blogs by independent contributors. The author has no credentials whatsoever as a journalist, and he is not an established expert on business or technology.
Rentier (
talk) 19:19, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- Did you read the entries you linked? The first notes established writers of blogs can be used. Thisbisnt a blog, it's an article in a business news magazine. And usergenerated applies to personal websites and such. The article author is a very well established tech contributor who's articles are perfectly legit. He clearly has expertise and is hinself a tech exec. They aren't fluff pieces but valid articles on subjects of significance such as this entrepreneur.
FloridaArmy (
talk) 17:55, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- These sources fall under
WP:NEWSBLOG at best and
WP:USERGENERATED at worst. They are not to be used for establishing notability. This was discussed many times before
[1]. Forbes contributors are not generally journalists. They are
- Lots of media contract to independent journalists for content. The article is not a personal blog it's a news piece. Perfectly appropriate.
FloridaArmy (
talk) 16:22, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- Please distinguish Forbes the magazine from its "contributor network". The latter is a collection of personal blogs with no editorial oversight or fact-checking. The article contributes nothing to notability. Similarly, the entrepreneur.com article is a guest post rather than an editorially-vetted magazine article.
Rentier (
talk) 14:57, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete. The references here consist of unedited blog posts on various sites, rather than independent editorial content, so is neither independent nor reliable. I can find nothing better. 86.17.222.157 ( talk) 19:51, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete per nom fails WP:SIGCOV. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 08:30, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Delete -- a businessperson affiliated with a nn entity ( PromoAffiliates in this case) is almost always a GNG / WP:ANYBIO fail. This is the case here. A promotional article and a tribute page. Wikipedia is not a CV hosting service. Suggestion above that PromoAffiliates could be an article is way off the mark. The article creator is most likely a block evading sock; see: Special:Contributions/WathingMog -- a dozen or so of minor edits to get autoconfirmed (presumably) and then, boom, a 12,000-character article in a single edit. WP:DENY applies here. K.e.coffman ( talk) 00:40, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
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