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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 23:43, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
2024 New York City stabbing spree
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Wikipedia is not a news site and it's too soon for an article on a series of crimes that will likely not have lasting or persistent coverage. This particular series of crimes are not particularly high-profile outside of NYC, and it's run-of-the-mill coverage. voorts ( talk/ contributions) 00:45, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime, Police, United States of America, and New York. voorts ( talk/ contributions) 00:45, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Fails WP:GNG as it has only routine, contemporary coverage. No secondary sources to demonstrate long term historical significance. Thebiguglyalien ( talk) 00:50, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per my original PROD and the nomination. A crime was committed and a person of interest was arrested. Many crimes like this happen. This was not notable to the point where there was an active crime for days, weeks, or months. Not inherently notable and certainly a violation of Not News. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 00:51, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. voorts ( talk/ contributions) 00:56, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. A fairly routine crime with little possibility of any repercussions to society at large. Clarityfiend ( talk) 07:55, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This seems to violate
WP:NOTNEWS and
WP:MILL. Unfortunately (at least in my view), such crimes are quite common in NYC, and I don't think there is a
WP:LASTING component to these crimes. –
Epicgenius (
talk) 17:00, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm,
WP:LASTING also says that
[i]t may take weeks or months to determine whether or not an event has a lasting effect. This does not, however, mean recent events with unproven lasting effect are automatically non-notable.
Let's wait and see if notability persists for a while. Wikiexplorationandhelping ( talk) 02:35, 27 January 2024 (UTC)- I have seen the sources you have posted below. From what I can tell, all of these are
WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources (specifically, breaking news or eyewitness news sources describing each of the stabbings and the arrest); they are certainly reliable and independent, but secondary sources would also be needed to prove the lasting notability of an event.
WP:PERSISTENCE states that
a burst or spike of news reports does not automatically make an incident notable. Events that are only covered in sources published during or immediately after an event, without further analysis or discussion, are likely not suitable for an encyclopedia article.
I am not seeing any such further analyses in any of the sources you posted below, so I remain unconvinced that this is a topic that merits its own article. Epicgenius ( talk) 16:42, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- I have seen the sources you have posted below. From what I can tell, all of these are
WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources (specifically, breaking news or eyewitness news sources describing each of the stabbings and the arrest); they are certainly reliable and independent, but secondary sources would also be needed to prove the lasting notability of an event.
WP:PERSISTENCE states that
- Hmm,
WP:LASTING also says that
- Keep: This is not a "routine" crime in New York. A
search on ABC7 indicates that stabbings are largely one-time events that happened within a single setting. This occurred over the span of days, which would refute the argument
WikiCleanerMan has made. Also, there are plenty of independent sources that could be seen by
a Google search of the article title. This includes, but not limiting to:
[1],
[2],
[3],
[4],
[5]. There is even coverage on
CNN about this incident. I would say this would pass
GNG, given the reliable sources that cover this.
Wikiexplorationandhelping (
talk) 02:47, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- In addition, most sources I have given contains in depth coverage. For example, the CNN source that I have posted here provided context to what happened during the stabbings. Wikiexplorationandhelping ( talk) 02:58, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For evaluation of the sources presented above.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 00:57, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
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Response to the relisting comment: As an initial matter, a search of ABC7 to determine whether stabbings are generally singular events, and thus unique, is
OR. We need
RSes to establish that claim to notability. (In any event,
WP:NCRIME does not create an exception for unique criminal acts. By contrast,
WP:CRIME, which applies to perpetrators, does, but the example provided there is
Seung-Hui Cho, and this stabbing spree is nothing like the
Virginia Tech shooting.) The additional sources provided also do not establish
notability. First, having national coverage is not enough under
WP:GEOSCOPE, which states that such coverage should not be the sole basis for creating an article.
The sources cited are also all recent news reports, and WP:PERSISTENCE states thatEvents that are only covered in sources published during or immediately after an event, without further analysis or discussion, are likely not suitable for an encyclopedia article.
voorts ( talk/ contributions) 02:05, 28 January 2024 (UTC) - Delete. A recent google search 10 days after these events finds no sustained coverage. Esolo5002 ( talk) 20:37, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Please stop writing these fearmonger articles about everyday crime in New York. Nobody died, suspect in custody. Nate • ( chatter) 21:23, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
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