I tried to give 2021 a good start by updating the QAI project topics. Please check and correct. For moar private "happy new year" see here. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:41, 6 January 2021 (UTC) reply

Happy Wikipedia 20, - proud of a little bit on the Main page today, and 5 years ago, and 10 years ago, look: create a new style - revive - complete! I sang in the revival mentioned. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 17:41, 15 January 2021 (UTC) reply

Proud today of a pic I took. - On the church article's talk, there's a request for Dreikönigskirche, Dresden, - should we? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:14, 19 January 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Gerda Arendt: We should. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 07:29, 20 January 2021 (UTC) reply

It's more detail than I know the English terms for, but at least a start. I'll plan for Sunday ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:51, 20 January 2021 (UTC) reply

Done, but needs much more to make any sense ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 00:02, 25 January 2021 (UTC) reply

Thank you so much! We'll have to sort out the many names (Epiphany, Altendresden). I'll get to it again later. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:14, 25 January 2021 (UTC) reply

Thinking today of Jerome Kohl, remembered in friendship -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:38, 28 January 2021 (UTC) reply

I nominated the church - last possible day - but it needs more sourcing, and perhaps some details could go for the moment? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 22:59, 31 January 2021 (UTC) reply

Awesome, and can do. It will would significantly if you could point me to any reliable sources I could use for the article, though. The City of Dresden's website is as good a starting place as any, so I'll start there for now. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 03:11, 1 February 2021 (UTC) reply

I wish I could, but have no access to the many further readings (that look good). I have a FAC open, and need want to improve Wilhelm Knabe, that's on today first, actually first the ecologist ;) - We have time now that the nom is done. I almost missed the deadline, but something - no idea how such things work in my brain - told me a few minutes before the day was over that there was something missing ... -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:55, 1 February 2021 (UTC) reply

Hello. I have noticed that you often edit without using an edit summary. Please do your best to always fill in the summary field. This helps your fellow editors use their time more productively, rather than spending it unnecessarily scrutinizing and verifying your work. Even a short summary is better than no summary, and summaries are particularly important for large, complex, or potentially controversial edits. Thanks! Elizium23 ( talk) 07:15, 17 January 2021 (UTC) reply

Hello Vami IV,

We would like to inform you that after the self nomination period, we are now voting for the board members and we count on your participation to take part of this first important election.

According to the agreed agenda the voting period deadline is the 29th of January 2021 (Midnight UTC).

You can vote for one or more candidate on this meta page.

Thanks --
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On behalf of the founding members.

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That was a good one, could not have done it without you! Can I interest in Marienkirche, Prenzlau? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 22:41, 18 February 2021 (UTC) reply

You can certainly interest me in the Marienkirche in Prenzlau. I'll have a look tonight or tomorrow. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 23:06, 18 February 2021 (UTC) reply

Barkeep49 ( talk) 02:00, 18 February 2021 (UTC) reply

... for improving articles in February! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:56, 20 February 2021 (UTC) reply

Today, we have a DYK about Wilhelm Knabe, who stood up for future with the striking school children when he was in his 90s, - a model, - see here. - Further down on the page, there are conversations about the current arb case request - I feel I have to stay away - in a nutshell: "... will not improve kindness, nor any article". - Yesterday, I made sure on a hike that the flowers are actually blooming ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:49, 26 February 2021 (UTC) reply

Why did you revert the entire sourced list of abbots of Maulbronn? Edit summary simply says 'no'. I spent quite a while tracking that list down and then improving it to the standards of User:Francis Schonken as part of an ongoing effort to add rulers for all Imperial Abbeys on English wikipedia (on .de 73 out of 95 abbeys have lists, on .en 23 out of 95 had them, I've brought it up to 26 so far).

I was about to add a list for Wettenhausen Abbey today after another lengthy search and noticed Maulbronn was missing; I'm holding off for now but I will probably resume in a few weeks if there is no further arbitration needed.

65.175.175.141 ( talk) 21:17, 23 February 2021 (UTC) reply

I removed that list, as I have for other articles on German monasteries that I have worked on, because it's cruft. The abbots are just not notable, and they take up space better used discussing history and architecture. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 22:25, 23 February 2021 (UTC) reply

Hello!

The first meeting of the Board of Wiki World Heritage User Group (WWH UG) was held last February 13, 2021. Board members discussed several topics including the dispatching of roles inside the board. You can find the minutes of the meeting via the following link [1].

Also, the board discussed the importance of capacity building for the group members and we would like to invite all the members to fill the following form [2] in order to help define the learning priorities.

Furthermore, the board discussed some ideas for the 2021 annual program but we would like to hear also from the members in case they would like to propose some activities. We would like to invite you to update this page and add any potential activities[3].

A meeting will be held in the first week of March in order to finalize the program and you can find below [4] a doodle link to choose the date and time that suits you.

You are also invited to join us on WWH mailing list and WWH Telegram group.
Thank you !

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[4] https://doodle.com/poll/4qmstzpwaxu45pwr

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Members Liaison, Wiki World Heritage User Group — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brazal.dang ( talk • contribs) 10:57, 25 February 2021 (UTC) reply

Hi Vami IV. Just wanted to clarify your triple crown nomination. Are you aware you're only eligible for Triple Crowns if you have the same number of nominations in all three categories? For example, if you only have one piece of featured content, there's no point in listing 10 or even 500 DYKs. You're only eligible for one triple crown as there's only 1 piece of featured content to accompany your DYKs. So unless you're adding another 9 pieces of featured content, please remove the superfluous DYKs and GANs. Otherwise can you explain what's going on at your nomination? Thanks. Damien Linnane ( talk) 07:09, 26 February 2021 (UTC) reply

I am aware that I need only list DYKs/GANs/FxCs on a 1:1 basis; I am hoping to marry at least each GAN to an FA/FLC. I didn't think anybody would notice the bloat in my nomination so quickly, to be honest. Let me go scrub it down to two DYKs/GANs to await a future FAC. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 18:21, 26 February 2021 (UTC) reply

Thanks for explaining. Are you planning on adding the future FAC in the next day or so? Nobody has ever listed an incomplete nomination before. Typically complete nominations only stay on the page for a day or two before myself or one of the other volunteers process them. At the risk of sounding pedantic I'm not comfortable with setting a new trend of encouraging people to list incomplete nominations as placeholders for undisclosed points weeks, months or years in the future. I was going to ask if you'd like the standard Triple Crown now, though I see you've already been awarded that. Damien Linnane ( talk) 22:39, 26 February 2021 (UTC) reply

I intended this nomination to be incomplete, but since I'm keeping track on a subpage now, I'll delete it. But I'll be back! – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 22:53, 26 February 2021 (UTC) reply

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Harry F. Sinclair House you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Eddie891 -- Eddie891 ( talk) 02:01, 3 March 2021 (UTC) reply

On hold

The article Harry F. Sinclair House you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Harry F. Sinclair House for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Eddie891 -- Eddie891 ( talk) 01:01, 4 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Passed

The article Harry F. Sinclair House you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Harry F. Sinclair House for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Eddie891 -- Eddie891 ( talk) 01:22, 4 March 2021 (UTC) reply

I wonder if we could have something like de:Schlosspark, and how it would be called, - possibly just the German word? --17:41, 11 March 2021 (UTC) Gerda Arendt ( talk)

• ( talk page stalker) Surely it would be best translated, to something like "palace garden", as these also occur in non-German areas, ex. Garden at Buckingham Palace. ( t · c) buidhe 18:12, 11 March 2021 (UTC) reply

  See, that's exactly why I'm asking. Never heard "Palace garden", but "garden of abc palace", and am afraid it might a Germanism. In German, we differentiate Park and Garten, and here? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:29, 11 March 2021 (UTC) reply

  see also: Palace Gardens -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:30, 11 March 2021 (UTC) reply

At Ludwigsburg Palace, I did as Buidhe suggests above, though I was added there by the gardens having a formal name (Blühendes Barock; Blooming Baroque). – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 20:28, 11 March 2021 (UTC) reply

The particular park I began, is called Brühler Schlosspark by the state that takes care of the nature preservation, while the official name of the UNESCO site is de:Schlösser Augustusburg und Falkenlust, which they translated to Castles, - will they ever ever learn? Our article is better in that respect, Augustusburg and Falkenlust Palaces, Brühl. My idea is - garden being my theme - to treat the garden to individual treatment, possibly DYK. Unless you tell me you want to translate the whole thing. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:41, 11 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Hello, Vami IV. Your account has been granted the "extendedmover" user right, either following a request for it or demonstrating familiarity with working with article names and moving pages. You are now able to rename pages without leaving behind a redirect, move subpages when moving the parent page(s), and move category pages.

Please take a moment to review Wikipedia:Page mover for more information on this user right, especially the criteria for moving pages without leaving redirect. Please remember to follow post-move cleanup procedures and make link corrections where necessary, including broken double-redirects when suppressredirect is used. This can be done using Special:WhatLinksHere. It is also very important that no one else be allowed to access your account, so you should consider taking a few moments to secure your password. As with all user rights, be aware that if abused, or used in controversial ways without consensus, your page mover status can be revoked.

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If you do not want the page mover right anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Thank you, and happy editing! — Wug· a·po·des​ 01:25, 12 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Going through your move log, I saw some instances where suppressredirect might be helpful, so hopefully you find it useful and it reduces the admin CSD workload If you don't want it just let me know and I'll remove it. — Wug· a·po·des​ 01:25, 12 March 2021 (UTC) reply

... for improving articles in March! On Bach's birthday -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:14, 21 March 2021 (UTC) reply

... and today: Bach's cantata composed for today, - perhaps listen. All the best for the Maulbronn project! And some day perhaps Eberbach Abbey? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 11:01, 25 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Ahah, I will gladly listen to this when I return to Germany. And I certainly do plan on taking my show to Eberbach one day! – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 01:15, 27 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Thank you for what you said on Yoninah's talk, - see also Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2021-03-28/Obituary! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:27, 29 March 2021 (UTC) reply

I read it. Tried guessing who was who in the Signpost just by reading their comment. She will be missed. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 16:40, 29 March 2021 (UTC) reply

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I have some good news about the AFD we are participating in. I think I found some sources from counties that may be far away from the school. One of them is from Mississippi. I would love to know if this changes your opinion. I was going to ping you, but I felt that the page was getting too cluttered. Thank you for your time. Scorpions13256 ( talk) 15:57, 24 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Feel free to post them here, then, while the AfD's still in the air. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 18:50, 24 March 2021 (UTC) reply

They have already been posted. Scorpions13256 ( talk) 19:50, 24 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Found some copyvio, deleted previously thanks to a copyvio notice placed on the page. I found the range of copyvio for revdelling, then I realized that the source itself is a copyvio. It wasn't cited, but I'm still a bit confused on if I need to do anything else. Thanks in advance -- Sennecaster ( talk) 03:42, 26 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Purge it. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 03:49, 26 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Danke! Sennecaster ( talk) 03:57, 26 March 2021 (UTC) reply

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Hey y'all, the April 2021 WikiProject Military History Reviewing Drive begins at 00:01 UTC on April 1, 2021 and runs through 23:59 UTC on April 31, 2021. Points can be earned through reviewing articles on the AutoCheck report, reviewing articles listed at WP:MILHIST/ASSESS, reviewing MILHIST-tagged articles at WP:GAN or WP:FAC, and reviewing articles submitted at WP:MILHIST/ACR. Service awards and barnstars are given for set points thresholds, and the top three finishers will receive further awards. To participate, sign up at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_History/April 2021 Reviewing Drive#Participants and create a worklist at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/April 2021 Reviewing Drive/Worklists (examples are given). Further details can be found at the drive page. Questions can be asked at the drive talk page. MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 17:26, 31 March 2021 (UTC) reply

Thank you for what you do for buildings with a history! With the Dreikönigskirche pictured again on the Main page, I made a redirect to Barfüßerkirche, Frankfurt, but that really deserved an article, based on the German de:Barfüßerkloster (Frankfurt am Main). Do you agree? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:44, 2 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Now that is an actually impressive de.wiki article! I do agree. Would be nice to return to Germany after so much recent work in the US. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 09:00, 2 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Waiting for better times. Frankfurt on the Main page today, which made me want to give an impression of where Telemann worked, and Paulskirche just isn't it, only the same location. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 09:59, 2 April 2021 (UTC) reply

About a year ago, you did a GA review for me. That was one of the first GA submissions I had done. Now that I've done a few more, and a few reviews myself, I have a better appreciation for just what poor shape the article was in when I submitted it, and for how much effort you put into helping me improve it. Thanks for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RoySmith ( talk • contribs) 14:51, 4 April 2021 (UTC) reply

You are most welcome, and thank you. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 21:28, 4 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Hi, Vami IV, and a big thank you for working on this massive time-sink – every bit helps! Just to save you a little time, there's no need for notifications such as this – once a CCI is opened, there's no further need to notify the user of any action you're taking to clean it up (and that one is anyway site-banned). Thank you again, Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 10:02, 5 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Just an FYI, to be a little careful about checking to see how much copyvio is actually in an article in its current version before you slap the tag on it. I restored Alice Greenough Orr, which had been significantly rewritten since the original violation. I went ahead and did another reworking on it just in an abundance of caution, but toolforge found only a 16% probability of copyvio, and I manually spotted perhaps one sentence that looked like it was too close to paraphrase from the original. There was some other paraphrasing that was in a gray area but I went ahead and reworked. I know that it is important to not violate copyright, particularly the copyright of the New York Times, but this was an article where the original sitebanned user’s work had long ago been absorbed. Montanabw ^(talk) 17:17, 6 April 2021 (UTC) reply

You misunderstand; absorption of Billy Hathorn's work is not a good thing. His case has been a thorny one for over a decade, and CCI's approach to it for the last two years has been "kill on sight". We have taken that approach, despite being unable to verify his earliest work ( here is an example), because we have demonstrable evidence that the vast majority of his other work is absolutely chock-full of copyright violations. I have been thorough in my inspection of his articles; some I spared from WP:CP, most I didn't. Please review his case file, and do not remove the copyvio template without an admin's - and especially a copyright admin's - permission. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 19:24, 6 April 2021 (UTC) reply

I want to note here now, though, that I admire your ripping out Hathorn's disgusting, God-awful work and saving that article from CP. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 19:38, 6 April 2021 (UTC) reply

No worries. I went through a period of helping at CCI, notably on the ItsLassieTime mess. It’s a real dilemma to try and salvage articles versus WP:TNT where there have been many intervening edits. I pinged JLAN on the rewrite in the temp page, and I’ve probably done all I can do, so hope you will pop the new version back in. Montanabw ^(talk) 22:34, 6 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Could you kindly review the rewrite at Talk:Alice Greenough Orr/Temp and see if we’ve got it fixed now? Thanks. Montanabw ^(talk) 15:14, 8 April 2021 (UTC) reply

	A second sword
	This khanda is bestowed upon Vami IV for his tireless devastation of the persevering blights of copyright violations on this eternal land. Please accept this extension of your arm and wield it in the name of the inquisition against the most heinous stains on the Encyclopedia. Sennecaster ( What now?) 03:33, 8 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

Sennecaster ( What now?) 23:45, 10 April 2021 (UTC) reply

—valereee ( talk) 12:01, 11 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Discontent Content Issue #1 Welcome, subscribers, to the inaugural Discontent Content newsletter! Discontent Content is a newsletter aiming to collate and improve Wikipedia articles in need of more eyes and hands to get them in shape. Its unique trimodal structure allows editors to work where they feel comfortable -- with stubs and starts needing to be brought to standard, mid-quality articles with Good or Featured potential, or quality-assessed articles needing help to maintain their status. Category 1 Articles in this category are those that need to be brought up to a minimum quality standard. Some will be stubs; others will be longer articles that nonetheless have significant concerns putting them far below B- or C-class adequacy. This issue's Category 1 articles are: Community Outreach Academy Elementary: A recent AfD survivor, this is one of those entertaining exceptions to the 'primary schools aren't notable' rule. 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Precious

Four years!

-- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:13, 18 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Man. Four years already? – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 03:40, 24 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Yes. (And I'm a woman ;) ) - Memories on the Main page today, Psalm 115 thinking of Yoninah, Christa Ludwig and Milva, - voices that made the Earth a better place. Sad that the psalm hook didn't appear on Earth Day as planned, but better pictured and late than going unnoticed ;) - Do you think you could help me translating more of Schloss Türnich. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:18, 26 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Er, that was an accident of speech. Going "Man," is... slang? It's a common way to start a sentence. Like, "Man, are we really going back to the morning shift?" Or "Man, what a view." – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 21:09, 26 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Oooh, what a nice palace. I've gone ahead and translated most of the lead. I say "most of", because that last paragraph is architectural details I would leave out of a lead. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 21:09, 26 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Thank you so much. Today would be the last day for a DYK, needing further expansion by 6,000 chars. I suggest I rather write a separate article on the park alone, and take that to DYK, mentioning the building, of course. Unless you want to expand today ;) - I won't do the park today but soon. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:44, 29 April 2021 (UTC) reply

A tag has been placed on Category:Mosques completed in 1301 requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 13:52, 22 April 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Liz and Nedim Ardoğa: Oh, whoops, sorry about that, guys. At the time I made that category, I did not know what a madrasa was exactly. I did learn the night I made that category, but completely forgot about cat:mosques completed in 1301. I will not contest the deletion. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 20:39, 22 April 2021 (UTC) reply

Discontent Content Issue #2 Welcome, subscribers, to the second Discontent Content newsletter! Discontent Content is a newsletter aiming to collate and improve Wikipedia articles in need of more eyes and hands to get them in shape. Its unique trimodal structure allows editors to work where they feel comfortable -- with stubs and starts needing to be brought to standard, mid-quality articles with Good or Featured potential, or quality-assessed articles needing help to maintain their status. Category 1 Articles in this category are those that need to be brought up to a minimum quality standard. Some will be stubs; others will be longer articles that nonetheless have significant concerns putting them far below B- or C-class adequacy. This issue's Category 1 articles are: Michael Krasnow: A recent AfD survivor, this article is currently a single-paragraph stub, but has substantial expansion potential in online, print, and archival sources alike. This piece is a particularly useful starting point for such a unique article. Injury: A start-class Vital Article with the common problem of medical articles of list-formatted content that'd work better as prose. Fetish Con: This eccentric topic that I absolutely do not apologise for placing right under "Injury" survived AfD in March. Though currently in poor stub-and-table shape, the AfD made it clear substantial expansion potential exists. Category 2 Articles in this category, while in better current shape than Category 1, are still missing something. They have the potential to be truly high-quality content, and may have been at one point. With work, they can be brought up to dizzying heights. This issue's Category 2 articles are: Home: Another start-class Vital Article, this one is at level 2, making it one of the 100 core topics. It's also...I think it's a Million Award candidate? Honestly, man, I don't know, I checked three years and they all had frankly weird charts. This one has good bones, but the internal sections are all in need of expansion. Someone able to work on them could certainly take this to GA. Tea: The world's most popular drink (inb4 water) was an FA back in the Brilliant Prose era, but no longer. Attempts since to bring it back to standard have failed. Will you succeed? Mazes and Monsters: Tom Hanks' first leading role, an early DYK, and an unusual quirky topic, this article bears real potential for expansion. Category 3 Articles in this category have been assessed through a content review process in the past, but may require work to be brought up to current GA/FA standard. Editors can help bring them to a level where the star or plus near their names can once again shine. This issue's Category 3 articles are: Death Cab for Cutie: This GA is up for GAR primarily due to uncited text. A motivated editor could save this article's plus sign by hunting down verification. Doctor Who missing episodes: An FA at FAR and in danger of moving to FARC without engagement. This significant chunk of television history has tons written on it, and yet a number of the sources in the article are subpar. Can you save it? Windows RT: Though this GA has been recommended for GAR since last September, it hasn't been brought to the process. No reasons are given on the talk, but the lead looks in need of a trim to bring its information to the body, and there's more than a bit of WP:OVERCITE. Letter from the Editor Updates on articles from last issue: Grunge has been delisted following an unsuccessful FAR. Anyone who wants to get this important article back to FAC is strongly encouraged. Reader suggestion: BOZ, a founding member of the new WikiProject Cemeteries, has an additional suggestion for anyone looking for further inspiration: Bohemian National Cemetery (Chicago): A Czech cemetery in Chicago and the first I've heard of with an area dedicated specifically to fans of a given baseball team, this cemetery has ties to outsider art, historical shipwrecks, and one of the city's founding ethnic communities. Thank you all, once again, for your subscription and your work on Wikipedia! Vaticidal prophet 18:33, 26 April 2021 (UTC) reply You have received this newsletter because you opted into the Discontent Content mailing list. To opt out from future newsletters, go to Wikipedia:Discontent Content/mailing list and remove your talk page.

Many thanks for seconding the nomination as editor of the week! Much appreciated!-- Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 15:39, 3 May 2021 (UTC) reply

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2021).

Administrator changes

Enchanter • Carlossuarez46

Interface administrator changes

Ragesoss

Guideline and policy news

• Following an RfC, consensus was found that third party appeals are allowed but discouraged.
• The 2021 Desysop Policy RfC was closed with no consensus. Consensus was found in a previous RfC for a community based desysop procedure, though the procedure proposed in the 2021 RfC did not gain consensus.

Technical news

• The user group oversight will be renamed to suppress. This is for technical reasons. You can comment at T112147 if you have objections.

Arbitration

• The community consultation on the Arbitration Committee discretionary sanctions procedure was closed, and an initial draft based on feedback from the now closed consultation is expected to be released in early June to early July for community review.

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I've been working on expanding an article about a minor ACW article on the Texas coast, and one of the sources mentions Sabine City, Texas. Based on our article for Sabine Pass, Port Arthur, Texas, it may well be a historical name for that place, but I'm not sure. I know you're interested in Texas history, and thought you might have some knowledge of what Sabine City would be known as. Hog Farm _Talk 05:45, 13 May 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Hog Farm: I've been a little bit of digging into this and haven't found anything yet. This "Sabine, Texas, on the Texas State Historical Association's website was founded in 1878 and is a ghost town now. Given the proximity, I have to think this is what your source meant. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 08:08, 14 May 2021 (UTC) reply

Thanks for researching this! I'll leave it as a redlink for now, given the confusion and the fact that we don't seem to have a Sabine, Texas at the moment. So many similar names. Hog Farm _Talk 22:29, 15 May 2021 (UTC) reply

Discontent Content Issue #3

Welcome, subscribers, to the third Discontent Content newsletter! Discontent Content is a newsletter aiming to collate and improve Wikipedia articles in need of more eyes and hands to get them in shape. Its unique trimodal structure allows editors to work where they feel comfortable -- with stubs and starts needing to be brought to standard, mid-quality articles with Good or Featured potential, or quality-assessed articles needing help to maintain their status.

Articles in this category are those that need to be brought up to a minimum quality standard. Some will be stubs; others will be longer articles that nonetheless have significant concerns putting them far below B- or C-class adequacy.

This issue's Category 1 articles are:

1. Gambling in Nevada: An unusual move -- a redirect? But if you look at the history, you'll see why. This sweeping and expansive topic about the home of Reno and Las Vegas was recently converted to a redirect due to its almost complete lack of useful content. Nonetheless, this subject is bursting with potential and can have a full article written about it.
2. SpongeBob SquarePants: Original Theme Highlights: This recent AfD survivor was the first soundtrack written for the popular series. More unorthodox, for a children's animation album, it features songs by Pantera and Ween and was given a vinyl re-release in 2016 for the...ironic market? Certainly some market. There's a fair amount of coverage here to write a solid article on.
3. Death by misadventure: A surprisingly major topic to be a one-paragraph stub, this is a legal and colloquial term both. The article is currently sourced in whole to a single page in a single book!

Articles in this category, while in better current shape than Category 1, are still missing something. They have the potential to be truly high-quality content, and may have been at one point. With work, they can be brought up to dizzying heights.

This issue's Category 2 articles are:

1. Rope (film): Hitchcock's classic attempt to shoot an entire film in a single shot, Rope is both a significant note in cinematic history and, in recent years, conceptualized as an important piece of Hays Code-era gay cinema. It's a good watch, and the article should be just as solid. Currently it's a C-class with some unsourced content and an overreliance on block quotes.
2. Rachel Pollack: One of the major occult writers of the 20th and 21st centuries (a book of hers is prominently involved in my quixotic "bring the Major Arcana to FT" plan), not to mention a significant fiction and comics writer collaborating with names such as Neil Gaiman and Grant Morrison, Pollack's article has quite a bit of room for improvement to quality-assessed levels. Though her article's lead is short and the work as a whole underreferenced, plenty of opportunities exist to improve it.
3. Narrative paradigm: Despite this article's High or Top importance across multiple wikiprojects, it's in a sorry state. Perhaps unsurprisingly, it was subjected to a WikiEd course some time back. Significant potential lies within the idea that all human communication is narrative; the article must be accordingly strong.

Articles in this category have been assessed through a content review process in the past, but may require work to be brought up to current GA/FA standard. Editors can help bring them to a level where the star or plus near their names can once again shine.

This issue's Category 3 articles are:

1. Jaime King: This GA on a famous model of the 1990s has been recommended for GAR. Unreferenced sections and low-quality references are a problem for this BLP.
2. Dartmouth College: This FA is at FARC and on the brink of delisting, but the issues mentioned -- accessibility, WP:LEADCITE compliance, and overreliance on primary sources -- are far from insurmountable, and an editor could certainly polish off this star.
3. Tamil language: Another FARC, this is the native language of 75 million people (including my own stepmother) and the language of one of the world's great classical traditions. It's afflicted by a lack of sourcing and particularly issues with inline citations.

This issue's subscriber suggestion, again from BOZ, is:

• Dice: This former GA was delisted in 2009. It's a big topic to a lot of different subjects, and deserves a top-quality article.

This is ridiculously late, and I apologise -- I've been writing articles :) I've also, excitingly, landed a couple 'real publishing' writing gigs, which I'll be plenty excited to talk about when they're published. Due to the current increased amount of writing I have to do on a regular basis both on- and off-wiki, I'm planning to drop this down to monthly so I can spread out my responsibilities a bit.
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Congratulations! Can I help with TFA nom, perhaps? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 12:34, 19 May 2021 (UTC) reply

Ah, if you'd like: Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/Fort Concho. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 07:50, 20 May 2021 (UTC) reply

congrats, Vami! Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 12:42, 19 May 2021 (UTC) reply

Thank you, for this occasion and for your review of my article at GAN. I'm so pleased to once again add an FA to my name. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 07:50, 20 May 2021 (UTC) reply

Congratulations to the Crown! - I just came across Herrenhäuser Kirche again, which needs someone to make it more English, and I have no time ... I gave it a start. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:46, 25 May 2021 (UTC) reply

See my talk today, - it's rare that a person is pictured when a dream comes true, and that the picture is shown on the Main page on a meaningful day. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 10:43, 30 May 2021 (UTC) reply

Congrats on the Triple Crown(s)! You might be interested in a userbox I made, {{User crown|Imperial}}:

— Bilorv ( talk) 23:58, 22 May 2021 (UTC) reply

A late "thank you", to be sure, but thank you kindly, Bilorv. Glad to be back, after two years away from Featured Content. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 00:18, 26 May 2021 (UTC) reply

Discontent Content Issue #4

Welcome, subscribers, to the fourth Discontent Content newsletter! Discontent Content is a newsletter aiming to collate and improve Wikipedia articles in need of more eyes and hands to get them in shape. Its unique trimodal structure allows editors to work where they feel comfortable -- with stubs and starts needing to be brought to standard, mid-quality articles with Good or Featured potential, or quality-assessed articles needing help to maintain their status.

Articles in this category are those that need to be brought up to a minimum quality standard. Some will be stubs; others will be longer articles that nonetheless have significant concerns putting them far below B- or C-class adequacy.

This issue's Category 1 articles are:

1. Lineage (anthropology): A shocking subject to be a sourceless stub, this Vital 4 obviously has so much more to write about than its three sentences. In this state, even a basic improvement would do a ton.
2. Police memorabilia collecting: Survived AfD not long ago, with plenty of sources given in the discussion to use in the article. "Further reading" may in particular be of use.
3. Koror City: Palau may be a small island nation, but having its largest city by far be a stub is unacceptable. (We've managed to write much more about it over at Wikivoyage, where it's guide-class and about to make a Main Page appearance.) Vital 5 with a healthy couple hundred pageviews a day, the widespread use of English in its native land makes it a more accessible topic than editors afraid of working in countries they're unfamiliar with might worry.

Articles in this category, while in better current shape than Category 1, are still missing something. They have the potential to be truly high-quality content, and may have been at one point. With work, they can be brought up to dizzying heights.

This issue's Category 2 articles are:

1. List of premature obituaries: A former FL, an eccentric and popular topic, and a refreshing change from the sports statistics and "list of awards received by X" that populate FLC. This list was demoted in 2009 for sourcing concerns, which even at the time were mentioned as potentially fixable.
2. War: Let's just jump straight into the Overtopics, shall we? This Vital 2 really shows what "Top-importance to the whole encyclopedia" means. Currently B-class -- more B- in my estimate, maybe -- it stands out that non-editor readers on the talk page have qualms with the scope, in particular omissions they expected to find.
3. The Picture of Dorian Gray: Once GA, now C. Still relatable. This seminal work of literature can certainly be returned to where it was.

Articles in this category have been assessed through a content review process in the past, but may require work to be brought up to current GA/FA standard. Editors can help bring them to a level where the star or plus near their names can once again shine.

This issue's Category 3 articles are:

1. Byzantine Empire: From the metapedian perspective, this is perhaps our most important FA -- the oldest, promoted in 2001 (older than some of this newsletter's subscribers!), to retain FA status unbroken to the present day. Speaking exopedianly, it's still decidedly vital, with nearly three million page views in the last year. FAR was suggested late last year; it hasn't been brought to the chopping block yet, but an article this important both inside and outside of the project deserves to remain in top shape.
2. Underoath: This GA is recommended for GAR, with complaints about long-unaddressed maintenance tags and sections in dire need of updates. The article gets hundreds of views a day and is translated across plenty of projects.
3. Acute myeloid leukemia: Medical articles aren't scary! Really! They're not! If I can work on them, so can you! That aside, this FA was given a FAR notice in January. There are sourcing concerns, conveniently assisted by sources left on the talk page. Non-editor readers on the talk have raised concerns about inaccurate prognostic statements.

This issue's reader suggestion is brought to you by Sennecaster:

• Margery Wolf: Perhaps the fastest GA delist known to the project, this article was delisted two days after promotion upon discovery of foundational copyvio. Though it was reduced to just four short paragraphs, the sourcing obviously exists to create a high-quality article.

Yes, I know I said I was going to switch to monthly. Let's just go "Vat doesn't really Get Time" and run with it.

The Core Contest is on its last day of entries, and I've picked articles here with an eye to that. It's the first time it's running since 2017, and I for one am looking forward to overhauling Prehistoric religion. If you feel inspired by anything here, get in there quick!
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FYI, here is a partial list of of widely-visited stub/start articles that might be of use!-- Coin945 ( talk) 18:03, 30 May 2021 (UTC) reply

Hello Vami. I noticed your comments with CommanderWaterford's ANI. I was considering to open an ANI myself due to an unecessarily escalating conflict but CW got blocked before i could. This conflict involving possible TAGTEAM with CW calling over a current and demonstrably friendly administrator who made 3~4 unilaterally sided interventions, i think the ANI would still be welcome. Could i ask you to review the 4 sections involves (About same as 2~3 A4 pages) ? This would be my first ANI and i need mentoring.

That ANI would also be a record against "ICANTHEARYOU" edits by power users.

If interested, i will then only share pointers toward these sections in chronological order.

Best regards, Yug (talk) 13:19, 31 May 2021 (UTC) reply

I just noticed Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Vami IV, so allow me to withdraw my review / request for comments above for now. You have a profile and election to prepare, which will require your attention for some time. Yug (talk) 08:01, 1 June 2021 (UTC) reply

No problem. Apologies for not responding earlier, by the way, but I would recommend instead talking to Vaticidalprophet. He is way more experienced at ANI than I am. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 08:23, 1 June 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Vaticidalprophet: your detailled analysis of CW contributions styles also stood out. Would you be interested to review my conflict with CW and mentor me for an ANI ? I look for someone who understand WP fair dispute practices (review of all edits, transparency, fair and constructive criticisms, possibility of honest mistakes,...), CW's dispute style, WP rules (WP:NPA, WP:STALK, WP:DTR, WP:TAGTEAM) and WP administrators expected examplary caution and behavior. My objective is to leave a record and to require WP administrators to be more careful and neutral when jumping into conflicts between any power user and other WP users (TAGTEAM privileged support are tracable, not acceptable and indeed reported). Yug (talk) 15:55, 2 June 2021 (UTC) reply

( edit conflict) Hi, Yug. I know a bit more about ANI than Vami, but I shrink a little to hear myself called 'experienced' at it :) I don't think the cultural norms of ANI will look all that well on making a thread for a user who's already banned and has so many bridges burned. I think it may be more useful for you to, politely and sympathetically, bring your concerns up to the individual tag-teaming admin. Vaticidal prophet 16:03, 2 June 2021 (UTC) reply

User:Vaticidalprophet thank for your good faith,

I look for a someone with a combinaison of the knowledges and know-how cited above, no one will fully fill all dimensions.

I'm moving toward an ANI because I think we passed that politely raising my concerns to the administrator line already and the test failed. I'm a party of that conflict which I assess as troubling on several levels (CW: WP:OZD, WP:ICANTHEARYOU, WP:DISRUPTSIGNS-4, WP:DTR, WP:HUSH → "wall of shame", WP:STALK / harrassment, WP:TAGTEAM, WP:THREATEN → block ; Administrator: WP:TAGTEAM, WP:THREATEN → to block, WP:NOEDIT order, ...) so I need someone else to review that conflict and assess it properly for possible ANI. Need help on that. Yug (talk) 11:31, 3 June 2021 (UTC) reply

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2021).

Administrator changes

Ashleyyoursmile • Less Unless

Husond • MattWade • MJCdetroit • Carioca • Vague Rant • Kingboyk • Thunderboltz • Gwen Gale • AniMate • SlimVirgin (deceased)

Guideline and policy news

• Consensus was reached to deprecate Wikipedia:Editor assistance.
• Following a Request for Comment the Book namespace was deprecated.

Technical news

• Wikimedia previously used the IRC network Freenode. However, due to changes over who controlled the network with reports of a forceful takeover by several ex-staff members, the Wikimedia IRC Group Contacts decided to move to the new Libera Chat network. It has been reported that Wikimedia related channels on Freenode have been forcibly taken over if they pointed members to Libera. There is a migration guide and Wikimedia discussions about this.

Arbitration

• After a Clarification request, the Arbitration Committee modified Remedy 5 of the Antisemitism in Poland case. This means sourcing expectations are a discretionary sanction instead of being present on all articles. It also details using the talk page or the Reliable Sources Noticeboard to discuss disputed sources.

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This is to let you know that the Fort Concho article has been scheduled as today's featured article for July 4, 2021. Please check the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/July 4, 2021, but note that a coordinator will trim the lead to around 1000 characters anyway, so you aren't obliged to do so.

For Featured Articles promoted recently, there will be an existing blurb linked from the FAC talk page, which is likely to be transferred to the TFA page by a coordinator at some point.

We suggest that you watchlist Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors from the day before this appears on Main Page. Thanks! Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:11, 11 June 2021 (UTC) reply

Thank you; I have watchlisted the oopsie page as you have suggested. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 20:00, 11 June 2021 (UTC) reply

There's syrup for your stroopwafels. Well-earned! Great article! BusterD ( talk) 20:27, 11 June 2021 (UTC) reply

BusterD, it's some really fantastic work -- he rewrote it from a Billy Hathorn copyvio, and now it's here. Proud of him. Vaticidal prophet 23:12, 11 June 2021 (UTC) reply

I didn't know the backstory. That's even better! Thanks for filling me in. BusterD ( talk) 23:54, 11 June 2021 (UTC) reply

Thank you for improving articles in June, with some impressions of places, flowers and music for you. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:13, 20 June 2021 (UTC) reply

Vami, this is June. I am sad to see the snow on your user page. A friend is in hospital (see my talk), too many died ... - I hope you'll come to terms with some users not seeing how good you are. Gianna Rolandi on the Main page, remembered singing Bach, - perhaps give it a listen? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 06:37, 23 June 2021 (UTC) reply

Absolutely. It will be an on-brand soundtrack to my current project. I'm afraid the snow is here to stay, though. I'm a wintery soul. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 06:59, 23 June 2021 (UTC) reply

Wintery is one thing, shit another. PumpkinSky left over a miserably RfA, and I still miss him, Montanabw's RfA failed because she helped me, I miss RexxS and Flyer22 frozen (ice pictured) and too many others, - my load of ice is already high. My song of defiance (of "the old dragon", fear and arbcom) is up for peer review, and comments are very welcome! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:10, 23 June 2021 (UTC) reply

I am sorry to see that. This has been a horrible year. I so rarely meet others who have seen and enjoyed the beauties of Alaska. I will pray for your friend. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 07:48, 23 June 2021 (UTC) reply

ARoseWolf, we think of you, and the beauties of Alaska! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:08, 23 June 2021 (UTC) reply

Thank you for the positive vibes. I'm keeping the sun light on my face and pressing towards the horizon. New adventures await just over the edge. White rooms may isolate my body from the world but my spirit has always been free and will stay free to roam wherever thoughts and words may take me. Nothing but sunshine and rainbows. Life's adventures are in the details, just live it! -- ARose Wolf 12:47, 23 June 2021 (UTC) reply

added: missing SlimVirgin, and RMF festival opening -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:47, 29 June 2021 (UTC) reply

Discontent Content Issue #5

Welcome, subscribers, to the fifth Discontent Content newsletter! Discontent Content is a newsletter aiming to collate and improve Wikipedia articles in need of more eyes and hands to get them in shape. Its unique trimodal structure allows editors to work where they feel comfortable -- with stubs and starts needing to be brought to standard, mid-quality articles with Good or Featured potential, or quality-assessed articles needing help to maintain their status.

Articles in this category are those that need to be brought up to a minimum quality standard. Some will be stubs; others will be longer articles that nonetheless have significant concerns putting them far below B- or C-class adequacy.

This issue's Category 1 articles are:

1. Isolar – 1976 Tour: A substantial musical event for one of the most influential albums of its era, but with a rather spindly, table-focused article (I also note no one seems to have given post-inflation numbers for any of the figures).
2. Occultism (Islam): "Major topic that's a literal stub because it's about something outside the comfort zone of the average editor" of the day. Esotericism in one of the world's major exoteric religions is, of course, something which can be written about extensively.
3. G & G v Wikimedia Foundation Inc: Going meta for a moment...This is an interesting case, and it's a shame we discuss it only as a paragraph. It would be fascinating to read further on this topic.

Articles in this category, while in better current shape than Category 1, are still missing something. They have the potential to be truly high-quality content, and may have been at one point. With work, they can be brought up to dizzying heights.

This issue's Category 2 articles are:

1. Misophonia: A concept, symptom, or disorder -- no one's quite yet drawn the borderlands -- where people are unusually upset at noises such as chewing sounds. The idea may sound odd, but it does distress people with it and those around them. The subject is very popular, with Half Million Award-tier page views, but the readers are served by a rather weak article.
2. Sparks (band): This eccentric, creative band was a GA long ago, but delisted in 2010. Though undersourced, the article certainly has potential to return to its old status.
3. Han Xin: One of the great military leaders of ancient China is graced by a massively undersourced article. Several sections have none at all.

Articles in this category have been assessed through a content review process in the past, but may require work to be brought up to current GA/FA standard. Editors can help bring them to a level where the star or plus near their names can once again shine.

This issue's Category 3 articles are:

1. Wind: This FA is on a huge, important topic, but its star needs some polishing. FAR notice has been given for significant uncited passages. To quote the talk page, the article has good bones, and it can certainly be restored to modern FA status if anyone is able to work on it.
2. Jeopardy!: The article for perhaps one of the most famous game shows of all time is at GAR for citation issues. Most of the issues brought up can be fixed quite easily, such as locating page numbers.
3. French fries: Tasty, but needs more sauce. The GAR discusses unsourced sections and unreliable sourcing; I also notice some pretty blatant prose issues and a spindly lead.

This issue's reader suggestion from Sennecaster:

• Maasai people: The Vital 4 article for this major East African ethnic group was recently significantly reduced due to copyvio. It needs urgent work to restore cored-out content, but the references are still available in the article to simplify the process.

One topic I've been broadly thinking about lately is the concept of GA sweeps. There hasn't been one in well over a decade; discussion of a new one is traditionally stymied by the sheer number of GAs that would need sweeping, considering there are over ten times as many as there were at the last sweep. Nonetheless, there's no dispute that many GAs don't really count as 99.5th percentile articles, or even decent-quality articles (whether one's own personal reading of WIAGA is closer to the former or the latter, and how different those things are, is an exercise for the reader).

I've been brainstorming ideas, and I've been wondering if we can tackle the problem with limited-scope sweeps. One idea would be sweeping popular or vital articles -- those that get enough views to make up a significant proportion of the "GA experience" to readers. Another would be focusing on shorter GAs, which might trend towards a less in-depth treatment of the topic than could really justify the rating. There may very well be a path here to maintaining GA standards, and either of those would have the benefit that they might be more likely to encourage people to work on rather than simply delist articles -- popular topics with lots of interested parties willing to help, or smaller topics that don't seem like too big a challenge to pick up.
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Did I handle 2nd Arkansas 30 Day Volunteer Regiment correctly from the Aleutian06 CCI? The body is about 80-85% copyvio it like, and the copyvio is foundational all the way back to the first edit, so I blanked it. It also probably helps with the blanking that I doubt the article would be kept at AFD, anyway. Hog Farm _Talk 04:35, 2 July 2021 (UTC) reply

You've listed the article at WP:CP and followed the instructions, then and updated the CCI case, so you handled that article correctly. With regard to notability, I trust you as a subject expert and agree, based on my own knowledge of similar units, that it is (probably) not notable. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 05:48, 2 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Thanks! I'll try to work on getting through the simpler ones over time and then work my way up. For fixable ones, is it best to rewrite a clean version from scratch and then get the copyright violation version deleted and the clean version moved over it, or to rewrite directly in the same history? This matter is complicated by the fact that this CCI involves heavy use of forum posts and a personal website, and I'd be fairly reluctant to create it from scratch using those sources, and I'd rather not be attached to that poor sourcing. Hog Farm _Talk 21:31, 2 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Ideally, salvageable articles should be rewritten in the same edit history, but in practice we rarely do this. Instead, we delete the copyright violations, link the source in the edit description, and then file a request for revision deletion (or delete revisions) for each edit in the history containing copyvio. A lot of discretion is needed, though, to avoid deleting like 5000 edits for a copyvio removal of only a thousand or so bytes.

For unsalvageable articles, you can obliterate the copyvio and then send the aftermath to AfD, or just send it to WP:CP. The possibility of rewriting an article at CP is built into that system, so if someone really cares and can prove notability, the article can be reborn. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 01:21, 3 July 2021 (UTC) reply

News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2021).

Guideline and policy news

• Consensus has been reached to delete all books in the book namespace. There was rough consensus that the deleted books should still be available on request at WP:REFUND even after the namespace is removed.
• An RfC is open to discuss the next steps following a trial which automatically applied pending changes to TFAs.

Technical news

• IP addresses of unregistered users are to be hidden from everyone. There is a rough draft of how IP addresses may be shown to users who need to see them. This currently details allowing administrators, checkusers, stewards and those with a new usergroup to view the full IP address of unregistered users. Editors with at least 500 edits and an account over a year old will be able to see all but the end of the IP address in the proposal. The ability to see the IP addresses hidden behind the mask would be dependent on agreeing to not share the parts of the IP address they can see with those who do not have access to the same information. Accessing part of or the full IP address of a masked editor would also be logged. Comments on the draft are being welcomed at the talk page.

Arbitration

• The community authorised COVID-19 general sanctions have been superseded by the COVID-19 discretionary sanctions following a motion at a case request. Alerts given and sanctions placed under the community authorised general sanctions are now considered alerts for and sanctions under the new discretionary sanctions.

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Thank you today for Fort Concho, about "a former US Army installation located almost literally in the middle of Texas. It is in fact the best-preserved 19th century US Army installation anywhere in the country, let alone Texas. For that reason, it has the distinction of being a National Historic Landmark."! - I like to share the page - meaningful on Fouth of July - with the pictured DYK, Heiligen-Geist-Kapelle, Bruck. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 06:50, 4 July 2021 (UTC) reply

A victory, to be sure, but one accompanied by bitter tears. It is the only good thing to have happened to me this June. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 06:58, 4 July 2021 (UTC) reply

:( Sorry to hear that. ( t · c) buidhe 07:10, 4 July 2021 (UTC) reply

Vami, what is victory? Today I think of Brian (on his birthday), yesterday I thought of Yoninah, honoured with a special DYK set, before of SlimVirgin, - while you and I are still here and can do things. Look around. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:24, 4 July 2021 (UTC) reply

More music: 2 songs, the morning song - about rising from being down, in more than one sense - is a GA, - there should be more given my initials, but I also want to care for articles of those who recently died (now Esther Béjarano). -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 17:08, 16 July 2021 (UTC) reply

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Discontent Content Issue #6

Welcome, subscribers, to the sixth Discontent Content newsletter! Discontent Content is a newsletter aiming to collate and improve Wikipedia articles in need of more eyes and hands to get them in shape. Its unique trimodal structure allows editors to work where they feel comfortable -- with stubs and starts needing to be brought to standard, mid-quality articles with Good or Featured potential, or quality-assessed articles needing help to maintain their status.

Articles in this category are those that need to be brought up to a minimum quality standard. Some will be stubs; others will be longer articles that nonetheless have significant concerns putting them far below B- or C-class adequacy.

This issue's Category 1 articles are:

1. Floating match on card: This famous magic trick is a microstub with an empty section and no meaningful discussion of its methods or effects. Some useful information is available on the talk page.
2. Erotic horror: A significant literary (or, well...look, you know) genre with significant academic and critical coverage, which you wouldn't know from reading its three-sentence article.
3. Black ribbon: Currently in poor shape, with unnecessary lists attracting spurious examples, this article nonetheless has potential to cover a coherent topic on a sensitive subject.

Articles in this category, while in better current shape than Category 1, are still missing something. They have the potential to be truly high-quality content, and may have been at one point. With work, they can be brought up to dizzying heights.

This issue's Category 2 articles are:

1. Violin: This twice-candidate at GAN has good bones, but suffers from expanses of uncited content (and indeed expanses of "people slapping CN tags on literally every sentence"). Much of this information should be citable, and potential exists for this article to stand tall amongst other core music articles.
2. Art museum: Though this looks a little underrated as a soi-disant "Start", it's nonetheless an important cultural article with significant improvement potential. This was a former candidate for the Team-B-Vital campaign ran by members of the Wikimedia Discord to bring Vital Articles to B-class status, and while not selected, it has strong potential for anyone interested in working on it.
3. Grocery store: Daily life has always been one of Wikipedia's coverage gaps. Though this topic is something virtually anyone deals with on a regular basis, the article struggles with cleanup tags, sandwiching, and the weird fear of prose that drives people to put everything they can in a list. With hundreds of views a day, readers deserve an article with a stronger core.

Articles in this category have been assessed through a content review process in the past, but may require work to be brought up to current GA/FA standard. Editors can help bring them to a level where the star or plus near their names can once again shine.

This issue's Category 3 articles are:

1. Slackers CDs and Games: This GA hasn't had significant content edits since 2008. As much of its content references then-recent controversies, it needs a good look for updating.
2. Potential superpowers: GA with a multiple issues template, with concerns of outdated information, lack of citations, and potential OR.
3. Alzheimer's disease: This major medical FA is at FAR due to outdated information, an unfortunately common scourge of medical articles over time. Such an important article needs people willing to get it in good shape.

After my prior thoughts on GA sweeps and their viability, work is beginning to break down what parts of the backlog can be tackled. Planning is beginning at User:Vaticidalprophet/GA reform and its talk; feel free to give your opinion, participate in current GARs, and assess articles. The current plan is to look at GAs with outstanding cleanup tags as our first priority.

Sorry for the delay this time around -- I've been having A Month healthwise. I expect to maintain this at an approximately monthly schedule and will try not to let it slip further. I'm enthused by the work going on at GAR lately and hope to work something excellent out of it.
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News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2021).

Guideline and policy news

• An RfC is open to add a delay of one week from nomination to deletion for G13 speedy deletions.

Technical news

• Last week all wikis were very slow or not accessible for 30 minutes. This was due to server lag caused by regenerating dynamic lists on the Russian Wikinews after a large bulk import. ( T287380)

Arbitration

• Following an amendment request, the committee has clarified that the Talk page exception to the 500/30 rule in remedy 5 of the Palestine-Israel articles 4 case does not apply to requested move discussions.

Miscellaneous

• You can vote for candidates in the 2021 Board of Trustees elections from 4 August to 17 August. Four community elected seats are up for election.

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— Maile ( talk) 12:02, 9 August 2021 (UTC) reply

August thanks

Thank you for improving articles in August! I try, today DYK for a GA by a banned user. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 22:33, 24 August 2021 (UTC) reply

This is a two-parter. So the old version of one of the entries contains three references - the NPS source is PD and the Bart Christmas one seems to say different things that the text it's suppose to be supporting, so those are clear from a copyright perspective. However, I don't have access to the Sifakis source, and can't check it for copyvio.

As this article duplicated the subject and content of 37th Arkansas Infantry Regiment and the 29th Ark. is not independently notable, I redirected it there. Although the 37th Ark. looks like it probably contains copyright violations, as [sic] is used directly in the text in what is not a direct quote. So 1) Do I need to do anything to the history of the now-redirect if copyright violation status is unknown and 2) is there a special symbol for article redirected/PROD/AFD on the CCI page, or do I just leave a note as to that effect? Hog Farm _Talk 03:58, 30 August 2021 (UTC) reply

1) As far as I know, no. We can't revision delete for presumptive deletions, but copypasta from other Wikipedia articles must be attributed because of our license (CC-BY-SA; do anything but attribute us), so it's standard practice to note in an edit description and the on talk page the source of something. 2) For presumptive deletions, use ? ({{?}}) and note that you redirected/ WP:CP'd. As a note, we have our own VIP process for deleting articles, which is a week of languishing at WP:CP. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 09:17, 30 August 2021 (UTC) reply

I love the idea of CP as a "VIP process". Like we give the articles little gift bags and usher them out into their doom on a red carpet or something. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 09:33, 30 August 2021 (UTC) reply

We do certainly give them some baggage. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 09:40, 30 August 2021 (UTC) reply

5 days if you don't idea war each other or bring us the physical embodiment of pain to the board Sennecaster ( Chat) 11:06, 30 August 2021 (UTC) reply

Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election are now open. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! Voting doesn't commence until 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the coord team. MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 01:59, 1 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Your work is always appreciated in our lonely corner of the world. Thank you for the thoughtful splitting of the remaining diffs and your determination to see all of the NI locations and history stubs cleaned of copyvio. Sennecaster ( Chat) 12:13, 1 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Sawmill Fire (2017) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of GhostRiver -- GhostRiver ( talk) 22:01, 2 September 2021 (UTC) reply

On hold

The article Sawmill Fire (2017) you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Sawmill Fire (2017) for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of GhostRiver -- GhostRiver ( talk) 23:41, 2 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Passed

The article Sawmill Fire (2017) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Sawmill Fire (2017) for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of GhostRiver -- GhostRiver ( talk) 15:01, 4 September 2021 (UTC) reply

News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2021).

Administrator changes

Jake Wartenberg

Emperor • Viridian Bovary

Ashleyyoursmile → Viridian Bovary

Guideline and policy news

• Feedback is requested on the Universal Code of Conduct enforcement draft by the Universal Code of Conduct Phase 2 drafting committee.
• A RfC is open on whether to allow administrators to use extended confirmed protection on high-risk templates.
• A discussion is open to decide when, if ever, should discord logs be eligible for removal when posted onwiki (including whether to oversight them)
• A RfC on the next steps after the trial of pending changes on TFAs has resulted in a 30 day trial of automatic semi protection for TFAs.

Technical news

• The Score extension has been re-enabled on public wikis. It has been updated, but has been placed in safe mode to address unresolved security issues. Further information on the security issues can be found on the mediawiki page.

Arbitration

• A request for comment is in progress to provide an opportunity to amend the structure, rules, and procedures of the Arbitration Committee election and resolve any issues not covered by existing rules. Comments and new proposals are welcome.

Miscellaneous

• The 2021 RfA review is now open for comments.

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		The Purple Barnstar
		For your continued dedication to industriously building quality pagespace and continually offering well-reasoned assertion while quietly maintaining an even keel, I award you this distinctly calm and adverbially abundant barnstar. Wikipedia is an invariably better place when you're editing. BusterD ( talk) 19:35, 4 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Thank you. This means a lot to me. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 19:40, 4 September 2021 (UTC) reply

I can't keep this bottled up anymore

I didn't know where else to put this to still air my thoughts but not disrupt things further: my RfA experience is still eating me alive. I just can't not think about, talk about it, and no amount of Triple Crowns can make me feel less broken. I feel rejected and hurt, and resent those who have rejected and hurt me. Said I was an embarassment to the Project for beliefs I no longer hold, or said I'd make a bad janitor because of a typo in a copypasta that I used for all of a week. I know I'm not, as there are still people who frequent this page whom I didn't know or interact with much before RfA who think I'm alright, even if others don't. If they even if those others think about me. But a friend of mine is all but retired from this Project now, and I feel like my Triple Crowns are sitting on a cursed head. An LTA comes around once in a while to stick a "you suck" sticker onto my talk. I feel bitter and jaded, feel unable to move on, and feel that inability poisoning friendships and affiliations I've made over the last year. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 10:41, 9 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Don't worry about it, whatever it is. I think you're doing a very good job, and you're one of the few editors I've encountered who are considerate and pleasant to work with. Don't give up, keep at it. Best regards, SiefkinDR ( talk) 17:27, 9 September 2021 (UTC) reply

None of that can feel good. There have been a few points in my Wikipedia life where it had become a complete sap on my wellbeing. Something happened that would pop into my mind even when I wasn't editing and when I was editing was making it hard for me to focus on anything else. When that happens I force myself to take a break. Sometime I just need a break for a few hours. Or a weekend. But there have been times where I knew I would need to force myself to step away for for days, without checking my watchlist, or email, or doing anything Wikipedia centered, because without a break I wouldn't be able to reset myself to be in a good place to edit. And after a few days, whatever it was that was bothering me would stop coming to mind. Then I would see in the days that that followed whether I would miss Wikipedia, whether that desire to return would be too strong to resist. So far I've always wanted to come back. But the odds are one day I will decide not to. And that will be OK too. In the end I am a volunteer and so I get to do Wikipedia because it brings me satisfaction. The day that stops being true (on the whole) is the day that I get to decide to bring my skills, passion, and interest to something else. It is the biggest perk of being a volunteer. And the nice thing is that you don't need any pronouncement, it doesn't take anyone to agree to it (other than yourself). You can just do it.

So TLDR: consider taking a real break, rather than trying to just edit through it, and see where that takes you. Best, Barkeep49 ( talk) 18:40, 9 September 2021 (UTC) reply

I can understand you feeling somewhat dejected. I voted on every RfA (over 400) for well over a decade, but I don't bother since I retired from Wikipedia in March last year. Some RfA go well, others go worse than yours, but on the whole, RfA does what its supposed to even if the Wkipedia Founder himself said that RfA is a horrible place. It's probably better to fail at RfA up front than to give yourself 24/7 to the product for decades and then be disgraced and defrocked on trumped up charges, overkill sanctions, and thrown out of office like a rag doll under the new tend at Arbcom. That would give you something to feel bitter about. Been there, done that. Drink your milk, and get back on your horse. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 03:15, 15 September 2021 (UTC) reply

I'm sorry you're hurting, Vami, I hope it gets better over time. FWIW, I plan to vote for you next week in the Milhist coord elections. - Dank ( push to talk) 05:14, 15 September 2021 (UTC) reply

I was holding off on saying something because I didn't know what to say. Agree with Barkeep that sometimes the best choice is to step away for a few days when needed (I've largely done that before). Don't let it get you down, though - you're a very valued contributor here. illegitimi non carborundum. Hog Farm _Talk 05:19, 15 September 2021 (UTC) reply

I know the feeling, not exactly being rejected as an admin, but " despised and rejected" in general, in my case accused of battleground behaviour by the almighty arbcom, which was never evidenced, but some still believe it. - It's something many members of the cabal of the outcast have in common. I don't know you well enough to say what would help you. I kept standing and singing. I confess that although it's now 8 years ago (11 September 2013), it still hurts because it was unfair, but I don't let it govern me. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:54, 15 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Dear Vami IV, I'll be very glad to cooperate with to bring this article the recognition it deserves. I think it just needs some cleaning up here and there, some updated visitor statistics, something about the museum, and more the style of life at Versailles, rather then just the building and architecture. The visitor statistics are a little tricky. It says 15 million, but half of those people went to the park, which is free, and not to the Chateau. Also, the number of visitors to the Chateau has dropped between fifty and seventy percent in the last year due to the COVID virus, and it was closed for long periods of time, which also should be mentioned. Let's see what we can do together to get this to good articled status. Cordially, SiefkinDR ( talk) 09:04, 8 September 2021 (UTC) reply

@ SiefkinDR: I am pleased to hear it. I've debated a lot with myself about how much to talk about the court, because the palace was merely the box for the court and we only have so many words to work with, but I think I've struck a happy middleground with the first paragraph of #Role in politics. As for visitors numbers, yeah those can be pretty annoying. I hadn't thought about admission to the park rather than into the chateau, but then again the French government treats the whole Estate as one thing. In the past, I've had a devil of a time keeping up to date with how COVID effects the instruments of tourism because organizations keep opening and closing their catalog of places; I've opted to just not talk about COVID on architecture articles. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 09:19, 8 September 2021 (UTC) reply

I think the lede is in pretty good shape now. My main concern was with the fifteen million number, when the real number of visitors to the Chateau itself is half that. It makes it appear that Versailles is more visited than the Louvre and other museums, when half of it is just people going to walk in the park. Also, I think it might be nice to include something about the TReady of Versailles in the lead. Like: The "The Palace was the site of the drafting and signing of the Treaty of Versailles, which redrew the map of Europe after the First World War." What do you think.

I think COVID needs to be at least mentioned, because it changes all the rules. Admission to Versailles is much more complicated now than it used to be; you have to reserve places in advance.

It's interesting that you consider this an architecture article. Personally, I think this primarily a history article, with a very interesting cast of people.

What is your feeling about the separation of the garden from there rest of the article? I think the gardens might merit a bit more space, along with a link to the full garden article.

Cordially, SiefkinDR ( talk) 18:34, 8 September 2021 (UTC) reply

The Treaty of Versailles definitely deserves mention in the lead, but I didn't want to crowd it up with this or that event; I chose there to generalize. I'm not against in the future talking more about the modern (last ~100 years or so) history of the palace in the lead, though.

I'm not against if we can work it into the body with proper sourcing.

It- ok well yeah it's both actually, as I've learned writing palace articles for years now ( Ludwigsburg Palace).

I want to include a quick guide to the garden, but haven't found my footing there yet. Am hoping to, between Versailles's website and English-language books on the garden, find that footing once I've more or less finished the history and architecture sections. Also there is a link to the Gardens' article in the relevant section. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 01:40, 9 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Congrats! Very well deserved! Hog Farm _Talk 05:55, 9 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Thanks! – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 09:54, 13 September 2021 (UTC) reply

September songs

Congratulations! When should that appear for TFA? - We have a rich Main page today: the first TFA by a promising author, the pictured DYK by my friend LouisAlain who is discouraged by an AN discussion, and one of the Recent deaths. Enjoy! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 18:27, 9 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Next year, I think. I am sorry for Mr. Alain. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 09:54, 13 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Any specific date connecton? - Or just ASAP as long as fresh? Will you nominate or should I? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 11:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Anniversary of its listing on the NRHP, like with Fort Concho. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 22:38, 13 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Good plan! - Today: the day of bold red and black, for Dante who died 700 years ago, and Peter Fleischmann who died recently, leaving us films full of vision. Dante: just heard Inferno, imagined by a woman, the main character both speaking and singing with an inner 4-part voice! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:09, 14 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Thank you for improving articles in September, - a good harvest! On Peace Day, Gerda Arendt ( talk) 11:18, 21 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Today: a woman in red, two who died under "in memoriam" and LouisAlain missed (indef blocked now) - my first editnotice read: "Every editor is a human being" which is quoted from a comment by Geometry guy in a 2012 discussion on WP:AN. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:12, 27 September 2021 (UTC) reply

I had low-key FA aspirations for User:Hog Farm/Black Terror (ship), but when making the google books preview rounds in order to get "thorough and representative survey of the relevant literature", I wound up coming across a reasonably significant RS with fairly strong evidence that the other sources are following an early conflation error caused by confused 1860s reporting. So now I have to figure out how to reconcile two unreconcilable accounts before I can even move the darn thing into mainspace. Yeehaw This turned out to be so not worth staying up to 1am on a work night for. Hog Farm _Talk 06:06, 9 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Ugh indeed. I really do hate the "alright what do I talk about" phase(s) of article writing. Are there any historians you could write to about this discrepancy? – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 07:30, 9 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Unfortunately, not off the top of my head. William L. Shea (author of one of the sources) was pretty good about taking questions and such from laypeople from what I've seen, but unfortunately has been retired for several years now. Might try to see if I can get a contact for Chatelain, whose work on naval actions on the Mississippi was very thorough. I'm acquainted with several politicians, but not any historians, which is regrettable, as historians seem to be much more interesting people. Hog Farm _Talk 04:33, 12 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Amen, especially the ones who write with some real soul. I'm reminded of a talk given by Richard B McCaslin about the Great Hanging at Gainesville. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 04:43, 12 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election are still open, but not for long. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! No further nominations will be accepted after that time. Voting will commence on 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the current coord team. MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 02:43, 10 September 2021 (UTC) reply

I understand if you don't have interest in this, but we need a few more candidates. (We've got 8 editors standing for 10 slots, self-nominations close in a couple days). It's a pretty low-key job - mainly just closing ACRs, running WP:MILCON, a small bit of reviewing, and planning drives/projects. I've been a coord for a year and have found it pretty nonstressful. I think you'd do a good job. Hog Farm _Talk 04:42, 12 September 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Hog Farm: I've thought about it, but feel totally unworthy of standing next to names such as yourself and Hawkeye. And I'm a very young man, who'd be amongst a group of what I assume are older men. I'm fairly impulsive besides. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 09:50, 13 September 2021 (UTC) reply

If it makes you feel any better about the age part, based on your userpage, you're about a year older than I am. And I most certainly would not put myself at even close to the same level as Hawkeye and Gog and Peacemaker and others. Hog Farm _Talk 02:03, 14 September 2021 (UTC) reply

I've reconsidered, having slept on it, but don't expect to get in. But now there are ten candidates for ten slots, so all should be right in WP:MILHIST-world. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 22:36, 13 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Hey y'all, voting for the 2021 Wikiproject Military history coordinator tranche is now open. This is a simple approval vote; only "support" votes should be made. Project members should vote for any candidates they support by 23:59 (UTC) on 28 September 2021. Voting will be conducted at the 2021 tranche page itself. Appropriate questions for the candidates can also be asked. Thanks, MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 04:40, 15 September 2021 (UTC) reply

		The Epic Barnstar
		For your work at Léon Degrelle Roniius talk to me 01:41, 22 September 2021 (UTC) reply

And for yours, too. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 02:19, 22 September 2021 (UTC) reply

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Thanks for your kind words on my former talk page. I am editing again, but I don't want to make a big deal of it. I have no idea how long I will choose to continue. I am kind of skittish. I may quit again after completing a few projects... ♦  Lingzhi.Random ( talk) 23:17, 22 September 2021 (UTC) reply

I am glad, for this and for your return. However long you choose to edit, you'll always be welcome here. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 01:07, 23 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Ha ha... well, then, I will say something that will impose upon our friendship. Please pardon that imposition... If you wanna i.crease the odds that I will stick around, I have a very big, very tedious & boring, perhaps somewhat long-term task that needs be completed by someone other than me.

It is a very large reference verification task that could be done bit by bit and thus spread over weeks. It's a little possible that I might be able to find someone else to help you... if you're too busy, that's definitely OK... It is not a small task. ♦  Lingzhi.Random ( talk) 01:39, 23 September 2021 (UTC) reply

After tens of thousands of article assessments and months of CCI, "boring" and "tedious" might be my baptismal names. What's the task? – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 01:57, 23 September 2021 (UTC) reply

The Bengal Famine of 1943 may very well have set the record for most failed FAC attempts. It has over 700 cites, but many of them may already have been verified. Will check on that. Meanwhile, I believe I still have the sources somewhere...This article needs way more than 10% or 20% verification. More than 60%, at least... ♦  Lingzhi.Random ( talk) 02:16, 23 September 2021 (UTC) reply

That is indeed an awesome task. But a collaborative effort run on the Discord server could get it done with a few weeks, I think. Sections/reference types/whatever could be assigned to users to inspect and, provided the sources are accessible, it can be done. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 02:27, 23 September 2021 (UTC) reply

"That should be my baptismal name" ha ha... THANKS! ... I have already asked a couple editors if they would like to help, and one has replied "yes" ( Mr rnddude ( talk · contribs)). I will try to think of other editors... Is there some kinda DropBox or GoogleThingie where I can move files, such that different people can share them? I actually have both DropBox and GoogleWhatever on my laptop, but I never deliberately use them and have not tried to find out how they work (plus the DropBox will expire soon, I think)... ♦  Lingzhi.Random ( talk) 08:11, 23 September 2021 (UTC) reply

MEGA is pretty good for hosting and sharing files, and it's quite secure. I recommend it. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 12:10, 23 September 2021 (UTC) reply

( ←) I have many files in many folders. Is there a way to search the MEGA folder for a filename, or for text within all the files? ♦  Lingzhi.Random ( talk) 12:50, 23 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Certainly on the first account, but no AFAIK on the second. But at that point we do thankfully have page numbers and Ctrl+F. Shouldn't impede things too too much. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 12:57, 23 September 2021 (UTC) reply

OK I got a MEGA acct and uploaded more than 300 files I think. Apparently I need your username or something to share that folder with you.... You can email me if there's anything you don't want to reveal on WP. Thanks! ♦  Lingzhi.Random ( talk) 02:18, 24 September 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Lingzhi.Random: I'm not sure how much time I'll be able to devote to this, but I've created a MEGA account using the email address that you know. Sharing sources is a good place to start. -- Worldbruce ( talk)

• @ Worldbruce: Thanks -- for whatever time you can spare! I shred the folder with you, and sent you an email...thanks! ♦  Lingzhi.Random ( talk) 22:56, 24 September 2021 (UTC) reply
• I dunno if I mentioned: I can't be involved. I can't help (aside from answering questions). The goal is another run at FAC, and there would be an obvious COI if I verified cites...sorry, and thanks... ♦  Lingzhi.Random ( talk) 04:39, 27 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • @ Lingzhi.Random: Sure thing. When do we need to begin the source review? – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 09:53, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
  • @ Worldbruce:@ Mr rnddude: I apologize! It seems I did an epically poor job of explaining what I had in mind... That article been attacked at FAC more than any other article I can remember, for lightweight, silly reasons. Its content is apparently radioactive to some editors. So what I had in mind was for really a very large fraction (in my dreams... 100%... but... I dunno...) of all its cites to be verified BEFORE it goes to FAC, so the results would be sitting on a shelf ready to go when the article goes to FAC. That task, again in my dreams, could be split between a set of editors and spread out over weeks... even 2 months... starting pretty much now, or so I was hoping... If you're not too busy... This would require communication between those helping... If anyone decides she/he is too busy to help, I totally understand... thanks. ♦  Lingzhi.Random ( talk) 20:23, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply
    • Can do. I invite everyone also willing to help to join me in the community discord server, so we can coordinate. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 22:20, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

 —  Amakuru ( talk) 00:03, 25 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Hey y'all, voting for the 2021 Wikiproject Military history coordinator tranche will be closing soon. This is a simple approval vote; only "support" votes should be made. Project members should vote for any candidates they support by 23:59 (UTC) on 28 September 2021. Voting will be conducted at the 2021 tranche page itself. Thanks, MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 02:34, 26 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Hi, I would like you to help me out at Francisco Franco. Recently, a semi-protected edit request came about a user removing fascism and related templates from the page. Thought of it as removal of content and reverted it, and the user has reverted back. But the article states - "Although Franco adopted some trappings of fascism, he, and Spain under his rule, are generally not considered to be fascist;". If so, the template contradicts the article, or the user is wrong. Being a Wikidodo, I don't think I will escalate it any further, and I would like your opinion. Thanks! Interesting Geek ( talk) 05:04, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

I am afraid I lack, at the moment, a comprehensive grasp of Franco, Francoism, and the history and consensus(es) established on that page. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 06:24, 28 September 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Interesting Geek: On review, I've determined that no matter the consensus on whether Franco was fascist, he was important to fascism. Consider Charles Maurras, whose ideas were massively influential to (francophone) far-right politics and, eventually, fascism (to say nothing of his comfort with the Vichy regime). Frano was aided by fascists, then aided fascists, harbored fascists, worked with fascists, and like Maurras blended into the deplorable tapestry of fascism. I think he's earned his place in the template. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 02:18, 29 September 2021 (UTC) reply

		The Coordinator stars
		On behalf of the members of WikiProject Military history, in recognition of your election to the position of Coordinator, I take great pleasure in presenting you with the Coordinator's stars, and wish you the best of luck for the coming year! Hog Farm Talk 03:21, 30 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Well then. I accept, and will spend a little while learning the ropes. I look forward to a productive year. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 03:52, 30 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Thankfully, there's not much hard stuff, as MILHIST Bot does much of the heavy lifting. The main recurring ones are closing a-class review nominations (which is easy thanks to the bot), closing out WP:MILCON each month, and doing a manual check of the stuff the bot assesses as B-class. The most involved part is running the election, and if I can do that, anyone can. Hog Farm _Talk 04:01, 30 September 2021 (UTC) reply

Congrats! ♦  Lingzhi.Random ( talk) 07:42, 30 September 2021 (UTC) reply

	The Writer's Barnstar
	Thank you for being such a persistent editor, and your lazer-sharp focus on niche topics are greatly appriciated! CactiStaccingCrane ( talk) 04:56, 1 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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You recently changed this to be downrated from C class to start class. The article now contains thirty nine distinct citations of the fifty inline citations, and I went to lengths to add citations. Can you please explain why and how the extra sources have caused this to be downgraded, preferably with "citation needed", as it implies you have not cross-checked with the citations given, which are mostly online and in the public domain. Your comment states 'There are areas without citation (B1 & B2)'. Can you please elucidate as to what is meant by B1, B2 and B3 as I am not seeing a link to where this is codified. Keith H99 ( talk) 12:40, 2 October 2021 (UTC) reply

It is probably better for there to be a response on the article's talk page, as opposed to on your talk page, in respect of the October 2021 reassessment. Keith H99 ( talk) 12:52, 2 October 2021 (UTC) reply

@ Keith H99: Maintenance templates added as requested. The principal reason I downgraded the article was because it is structured as a timeline, not a history, and because you have cited forum posts, not reliable as they are user-generated. Combine existing reliable sources with sources detailing the actions in which they involved to generate a prose history. See work by (for example) Hog Farm, who has done a lot of work on military unit articles. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 13:14, 2 October 2021 (UTC) reply

I've come to apologize Hey. I've come to apologize. I truly hope you can find it in your hear to forgive me. I've worked very hard on Talk:Bengal famine of 1943/Verify and Black Monday (1987) and Marshall Plan etc. Genuinely I have tried very, very hard. But I have come to realize this project just has far too many dark memories for me. It just ain't a good thing in my life. Last time I quit, it was for a year and a half. I hope this one is forever. Sorry. ♦  Lingzhi.Random ( talk) 12:27, 7 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Léon Degrelle you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Kusma -- Kusma ( talk) 13:40, 8 October 2021 (UTC) reply

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Best, MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 00:09, 10 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Hi, I'm a relatively new user, and a MilHist article I had contributed significantly to was rated recently by User:Sadenar40000. I went to ask for some feedback from their user page given that the assessment left all the B-class criteria unassessed, and noticed that there was some previous discussion about the user's MilHist related assessments without any reply from the user. Taking a look at their contributions, it seems that the user is engaging in an effort to mass-rate articles, with assessments being made about every 10 to 30 seconds. I was wondering whether this kind of "drive-by assessment" with near-zero time spent on each article is good practice? I understand it clears the backlog, but I'm not sure the ratings given are of any actual value to the contributors. Again, I'm quite new to Wikipedia and it's entirely possible that I'm overreacting :) Thanks, Ljleppan ( talk) 14:13, 13 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Hi, it's understandable if you see issues with my assessment style, but I do spend time checking the overall quality of the article. I was unaware that it was a required task to fill B class parameters unless it was judged that the given article was B class material. (Not criticizing your work, but in the case of Finnish I Corps (Continuation War) I simply do not think that B class requirements have been achieved). If I am told to stop assessing in such a manner due to it being considered counter-productive and disruptive, I will do so, but I have been assured a few times prior that what I was doing was not disruptive, no harm was meant but if harm has been given I will cease and attempt to rectify it. Sadenar40000 ( talk) 14:48, 13 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Hi, I'm in complete agreement that the article does not warrant a B-class, but note that the C-class is also defined in terms of the B-class criteria. - Ljleppan ( talk) 14:53, 13 October 2021 (UTC) reply

( edit conflict) (x2) @ Ljleppan: It is of *some* value, but by not filling out the B-class criteria, an article is actually added to another backlog (and the same is true for other WikiProjects), and the speed at which the assessments are being made maximizes the amount of articles being added to such backlogs. I think I'd caution Sadenar40000 ( talk) to take a couple seconds more to fill out the B-class criteria; and also to be prepared for editors asking for feedback or to assess their articles, from my own experience mass-assessing articles. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 14:54, 13 October 2021 (UTC) reply

( talk page stalker) ( edit conflict) - I think it's best to go ahead and fill in the b-class parameters, even if it's not b-class. If I'm working on an article and see it assessed as C, I'd like to know exactly where it needs further work. Filling in the parameters to indicate which portions need further work help editors know where they need to focus. Hog Farm _Talk 14:57, 13 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Back in June 2019 one of your edits to article Maria Christina of the Two Sicilies left a phrase:

... had gone his reign ...

I cannot imagine what you wanted to say, but those words are still there. Could you review that please? Shenme ( talk) 00:30, 14 October 2021 (UTC) reply

At least to me, that wording makes sense. "had gone his reign" = "made it through his reign" at least in the variant of AmEng I speak. Hog Farm _Talk 00:36, 14 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Can't understand "had gone his reign" myself, as a Pacific Northwesterner :) So I'm glad it's been cleared up. ( t · c) buidhe 01:06, 14 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Abbreviated. Think it might have been an attempt to avoid close paraphrasing or an edit scar. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 00:54, 14 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Congrats on your volunteering for long hours, no sleep, and high drama as a wikiproject coordinator. You appear to be adapting well. Your edits/actions seem to indicate you have found a nice groove. How are you feeling? BusterD ( talk) 17:45, 15 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Good. Much better. I've said my piece about the June affair, and now I'm just spoiled with collaborations with editors I respect on topics I'm interested in and really need work. I've been plunging into World War II and am about to get cracking on Sanssouci with some new comrades. Should be a welcome reprieve from the cursed subject matter of Nazi collaborators and volunteers in their evil hosts.

Coordinator life has been rather quiet so far. I do a lot of what I used to do already, which seems to be welcome by the WikiProject. I'm surprised to be here, but I feel welcome and it helps that I have been very productive.

While we're meeting, I'm glad you're back. I likewise hope you're doing well. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 18:00, 15 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Very nice of you to say. Lost a sibling to Alzheimer's; watching someone you adore sort of disappear from within is very difficult to reconcile. Regrets. Guilt for not doing more. Stuff like that. Forgiving myself is the hardest part. On the subject of your recent efforts: Getting repetitions and demonstrating the obvious (that you can be trusted and your work is consequential) helps a person get out of their self-doubts and get into the tasks at hand (perhaps I could take my own advice). When we see you consistently performing at a high standard we get accustomed to trusting you more deeply. Plus, you're getting fine work done. Party, bonus. Keep a couple of pagespaces up in the air so you have a variety of places to exert your creativity. Glad you like coordinating; we'll always need solid coords. BusterD ( talk) 18:21, 15 October 2021 (UTC) reply

I get what you feel, Buster. I've lost several family members to Alzheimer's, and it's so hard watching those you love waste from inside. Hog Farm _Talk 18:58, 15 October 2021 (UTC) reply

There are a lot of things I dread when my loved ones grow old, and Alzheimer's is at the top of the list. It is a nightmare. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 23:03, 15 October 2021 (UTC) reply

If you'd like some practice at coordinator tasks, Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Siege of Guînes (1352) looks good to be closed. Hog Farm _Talk 20:45, 16 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Would you be interested in helping me compile a bit on an admin mentoring program? I'd like to get one or two others to help me put a well put together proposal for formal training curriculum on a apprentice/master model. Interested? It would likely be a very short term activity. BusterD ( talk) 18:52, 21 October 2021 (UTC) reply

I have not responded to this as I do not know if it is addressed to me or to Hog Farm; if it is to me, I may be among the worst people to ask to participate on account of not being an admin and a poor candidate for the mop. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 17:10, 23 October 2021 (UTC) reply

I apologize for any confusion. I don't know if you've been following brainstorming phase of Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/2021 review. I was inviting User:Vami IV to help if you were interested. Hog Farm is already an admin and would be welcome but I've invited two non-admins who have reasons to be interested in improving the process. I've made a very basic historic reading list on my sandbox, and John Cline has created a draft page at Wikipedia:WikiProject Policy and Guidelines/Draft proposal: Admin training with sponsorship. BusterD ( talk) 18:28, 23 October 2021 (UTC) reply

I apologize for leaving you on read. It would be more productive to remove any doubt from those watching this page to just say that I have no more interest in RfA. I don't want to discuss or conscious it anymore. I have nothing more productive to contribute and I will instead focus on turning a new leaf. I repeat here now that I will not accept another nomination. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 02:55, 29 October 2021 (UTC) reply

This is to let you know that the above article has been scheduled as today's featured article for 20 November 2021. Please check that the article needs no amendments. Feel free to comment on the draft blurb at TFA. I suggest that you watchlist Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors from the day before this appears on Main Page. Thanks and congratulations on your work. Gog the Mild ( talk) 21:29, 15 October 2021 (UTC) reply

October songs

Thank you for improving articles in October! - Today: see yourself, read about a hymn praying to not be on earth in vain, about a comics artist whose characters have character (another collaboration of the "perennial gang", broken by one of us banned), and in memory of the last prima donna assoluta, Edita Gruberová. I had to go to two grave sites last week, one who died now, one who died 10 years ago, so standing upright and in black seems appropriate. More colours - but subdued - can be had on hikes, - click on songs. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 14:52, 20 October 2021 (UTC) reply

I shall certainly be clicking on songs. God let all our lives be pleasing to Him. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 15:22, 20 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Hi Vami IV, I am interested in the rating of the articles as this was also an issue at Wikipedians per article count. I have seen that at the Portal Germany they use to check new articles on their B rating. Is this something regular, and if so, could this modality be included in other projects, or maybe even wikipedia? To bring an article from stub to GA seems a rather difficult task for new editors, but to bring a stub to C or B status seems achievable, at least to me it happened. And it would leave plenty of C or B class articles for the editors who are already experienced in bringing articles to a GA. Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 08:01, 25 October 2021 (UTC) reply

It is regular procedure, and indeed the improvement of a stub to a C-class is usually much more achievable for newer editors. Once they've got their sea legs, though, and are familiar with the B-class criteria, GAs and beyond much easier. There are other WikiProjects where articles are checked against the B-class criteria as a matter of course, such as WikiProject Military History, whose talk-page banner template ( Template:WikiProject Military history) requires the filling in of three or four (depends which ones) of the B-class criteria to bestow C-class upon an article. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 15:20, 25 October 2021 (UTC) reply

Yeah, there are several issues I see which have to be tackled. The stubs, specially the one-line stubs which just gives the editor an article creation credit but later only very few editors will edit on it again, are too popular. See the several stubs on Indian politicians or the one on Lamia Yammine a Lebanese Minister. On Turkish politicians there is Kirmizi Adam who is specialized on such sorts of stubs like Süleyman Âsaf İlbay, they then also rate them as start class articles by themselves. On localities there were several editors which already have been admonished for creating stubs.

I'd like to see a Wikiproject or new awarding system which gives article upgrades some sort of recognition. Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 04:42, 1 November 2021 (UTC) reply

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Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Fort McKavett State Historic Site you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Hog Farm -- Hog Farm ( talk) 20:00, 5 November 2021 (UTC) reply

Passed

The article Fort McKavett State Historic Site you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Fort McKavett State Historic Site for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Hog Farm -- Hog Farm ( talk) 01:41, 8 November 2021 (UTC) reply

		The Red Maple Leaf Award
		This maple leaf is awarded to Vami IV for expanding two Canadian biographies during the fifth year of The 10,000 Challenge of WikiProject Canada. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Reidgreg ( talk) 16:42, 8 November 2021 (UTC) reply

Thank you; I appreciate this. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 19:18, 8 November 2021 (UTC) reply

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --16:59, 10 November 2021 (UTC) reply

Hello,

I have edited the above in line with your suggestion that the article needs a more defined structure. If you are one of those kindhearted editors who gives a B Class nom a second chance, please take another look. Georgejdorner ( talk) 01:16, 14 November 2021 (UTC) reply

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Okay, assessed as Start class. Many thanks for your review. Georgejdorner ( talk) 21:15, 16 November 2021 (UTC) reply

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Since you reviewed Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/American transportation in the Siegfried Line campaign, could I trouble you to take a look at its twin, Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/American services and supply in the Siegfried Line campaign? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:42, 19 November 2021 (UTC) reply

Sure thing. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 22:00, 19 November 2021 (UTC) reply

November songs

Thank you today for Harry F. Sinclair House, "about a historic, Gilded Age mansion in New York City built in the last three years of the 19th century by a seasoned New York architect. It's a pretty charming place, today housing a Ukrainian cultural nonprofit."! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:03, 20 November 2021 (UTC) reply

Much appreciated, and owed in small part to my comrade Epicgenius ( talk). This article was truly a pleasure that Versailles has me missing. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 07:20, 20 November 2021 (UTC) reply

So, I just found out that SpaceX Starship belongs to the Rocket Cargo program, and because of that it kinda belongs to MILHIST; and I applied the article for A-Class review since is more helpful than FAC; maybe it is partly because of the nature of the topic ( Eel on Musk), my noviceness and the review's lower difficulty. Anyways, I would love to have a comment about the article - it has changed a lot since your GA review! CactiStaccingCrane ( talk) 09:54, 22 November 2021 (UTC) reply

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Seeing this edit reminds me of a recent trip to a bookstore. I saw Mitcham's work about Vicksburg on the shelf, thought "hey a new book about Vicksburg" saw the first two quoted praises on the back of the book were one of the Duck Dynasty guys (definitely not a trained historian) and someone who wrote a book called "The South Was Right", and immediately put it back on the shelf. Also, I wish I'd seen that list of unreliable sources sooner - I literally just spend $10 on a copy of Goodrich's Black Flag a couple days ago.

If you want to talk about particularly bad sourcing, I've seen John Newman Edwards cited in a handful of places. I blame Edwards for the reason that to this day it's hard to find decent works about Shelby, even though he was of some significance. Hog Farm _Talk 03:32, 24 November 2021 (UTC) reply

Essentially that second thing happened with Haley, also on my list. Every work or mention of Fort Concho inevitable cites him. He is also the biographer of Charles Goodnight. His writing is infuriating. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 04:16, 24 November 2021 (UTC) reply

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It sounds weird, but you really helped me to push myself to the limit via this essay and yeet SpaceX Starship to the stratosphere. Thank you for the essay, and here's one more article to the library of quality™. I also created a proto-Wikiproject of sorts, which you can view at my userpage. CactiStaccingCrane ( talk) 08:16, 19 December 2021 (UTC) reply

I have perused the proto-project and am proud of your efforts. Your own efforts are inspiring, too. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 08:30, 19 December 2021 (UTC) reply

December songs

Thank you for improving article quality in December. If you like Advent music, check this out. If you like Christmas music and wishes, watch my user talk until 27 December ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 11:31, 20 December 2021 (UTC) reply

-- MrLinkinPark333 ( talk) 21:04, 22 December 2021 (UTC) reply

Thank you. I needed this. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 21:13, 22 December 2021 (UTC) reply

Thanks, and happy holidays. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 01:24, 23 December 2021 (UTC) reply

Happy holidays, my friend. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 09:29, 24 December 2021 (UTC) reply

Hello, Vami IV! Thank you for your work to maintain and improve Wikipedia! Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
CAPTAIN RAJU ^(T) 22:00, 24 December 2021 (UTC) reply

Thank you, and happy holidays. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 22:02, 24 December 2021 (UTC) reply

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