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Please accept this notice to join the Good Article Collaboration Center, a project aimed at improving five articles to GA status every month. We hope to see you there!-- LAA Fan sign review 02:05, 6 October 2008 (UTC) reply {{{1}}}

Hey, thanks for asking, though I've never done a season article personally, so this is purely a matter of personal taste... There are two season articles which are GAs, Bradford City A.F.C. season 2007–08 mentions the pre-season results in the prose, and Bristol Rovers F.C. season 2006–07 doesn't mention them at all. Though Manchester United F.C. season 2008–09 has both endless prose and a table of results. I'd say go with whichever approach you're happiest with, but if you do include them, put them above the league results as per MUFC08-09. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 07:28, 7 October 2008 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the suggestion. I have added List of African countries and dependencies to the Peer reviews list. I don't think there is much to do, but something useful may arise. Thanks again. C hris_huh ^talk 11:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC) reply

Do you mean translate the original quotes to English? I've been thinking of that, but then how could someone prove what they say. Let me explain, suppose I say: Garcia said he "owned the band". Now I put the original text from where I found it saying "es dueño de la banda" (in Spanish), that needs to be shown. Or there's another way:puting it in soanish and then the English translation. Well I already got confused, I just didn't want it to be an issue, but keeps getting worse :). I don't know, give me your opinion on what could be the best way to show those refs.  Rockk3r Spit it Out! 23:09, 13 October 2008 (UTC) reply

Could you ask someone and let me know? I'll do the rest ;)  Rockk3r Spit it Out! 06:07, 16 October 2008 (UTC) reply

I'd like to ask what's the rationale behind adding a Portal Brazil link to every article, from football players to Chagas disease? I have not seen (unless I missed it) consensus for this. Thanks for your comments. I'll be watchlisting for your response here for a while. -- Alexf ^(talk) 23:44, 17 October 2008 (UTC) reply

Personally, I think linking Brazilian footballers to the portal is not necessary, because then you'd have to do it for players of every country, which would be time-consuming and overkill. sixtynine ^{• speak, I say •} 09:29, 18 October 2008 (UTC) reply

I was adding the portal links to all the sleceted biographies and selected articles under the Brazilian portal as it came up on a few portal peer reviews I had a look at. Sorry for the inconvenience. Sunderland06 ( talk) 10:05, 18 October 2008 (UTC) reply

It is actually wrong. The Portal Link is done in the article's Talk page. I added a link to the Argentina Portal long ago into the Project Argentina template (see example in Talk:Adolfo Pérez Esquivel). This way, every Talk page tagged with the WBRAZIL template would contain a link to the portal. Simple and cleaner. Currently hte Project Brazil template does not have the portal link. I'll add it for you. Please revert your changes to the articles and add the template instead. Thank you. -- Alexf ^(talk) 10:43, 18 October 2008 (UTC) reply

Update: I added the Portal link in the Project Brazil template. Now all you need to do is add something like {{ WPBrazil}} to the article's Talk page where it's missing (see the template for parameter list). -- Alexf ^(talk) 10:52, 18 October 2008 (UTC) reply

Right I've removed the portal links from all the articles. Cheers for the heads up. Sunderland06 ( talk) 12:46, 18 October 2008 (UTC) reply

Thank you for participating in my RfA, which recently passed with 126 in support, 22 in opposition and 6 neutral votes. Thanks for your support!! See you around!! • If you want to reply to this message please use my talk page as watch listing about 150 pages is a bit messy • ·Add§hore· Talk/ Cont 22:13, 5 November 2008 (UTC) reply

Thanks Sunderland, I really appreciate your input, I'll start tomorrow! Ban Ray 23:14, 7 November 2008 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the note, I was just about to ask for a few more days, had a crazy week (which is still going), hopefully I'll finish it in the next 24 hours, if not, I'd appreciate it if you could keep it on hold till Monday (but that's in the worst scenario), cheers! Ban Ray 21:29, 14 November 2008 (UTC) reply

YDone, I think, sorry for the delay, hopefully I'm not too late with this. Ban Ray 17:44, 16 November 2008 (UTC) reply

Once again, thank you very much for the review and your work Sunderland! Much appreciated! Ban Ray 18:02, 16 November 2008 (UTC) reply

Hello, this post is to inform you that the article you nominated for a GAN review, Sunderland A.F.C., is currently on hold & awaiting improvements. Cheers, Monowi ( talk) 07:24, 12 November 2008 (UTC) reply

I understand I may have been a bit out of line, but your comments were kind of hurtful. Please bring it down a bit. — Ceran^{( dream / discover)} 01:31, 15 November 2008 (UTC) reply

I'll not be coming on IRC until I figure out what is malfunctioning on my client, sorry. — Ceran^{( dream / discover)} 01:38, 15 November 2008 (UTC) reply

I have removed Sunderland A.F.C. season 2007–08 from the normal Assessments page, because I feel it is more suited to WP:GAR. I would've added it to the page myself, but I didn't know what the specific complaint was. \ / ( ⁂) 00:50, 17 November 2008 (UTC) reply

WP:GAR is more of a community review process. I'm happy to review it individually through the normal process., I just wanted to be sure you understood there was another option open to you. \ / ( ⁂) 19:40, 18 November 2008 (UTC) reply

I had removed it in case you went to WP:GAR. I probably should've waited, I'll replace it with the original time stamp. Apologies. \ / ( ⁂) 19:48, 18 November 2008 (UTC) reply

Ah, I'll probably have it done either before or on Friday, my time. I assume your in the UK, so I'll try to get it done before your Saturday. (I hate Time zones!) Guaranteed you'll have it within the week. \ / ( ⁂) 19:58, 18 November 2008 (UTC) reply

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BorgQueen ( talk) 05:42, 19 November 2008 (UTC) reply

I'll have a look at it, but might not be until later in the week, hope that's OK. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 09:06, 22 November 2008 (UTC) reply

The article Sunderland A.F.C. season 2007–08 you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Sunderland A.F.C. season 2007–08 for eventual comments about the article. Well done! If you have some spare time, why not review an article yourself? \ / ( ⁂) 12:11, 22 November 2008 (UTC) reply

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Read Names of the Irish state. It's not your fault you're a mis informed simple Brit, but at least look up the facts before you insist on something! The name of the country/sovereign state whatever you want to call it is Ireland! Your stupidity is making these articles worse. 213.202.131.89 ( talk) 13:04, 30 November 2008 (UTC) reply

Thanks for your note. I'm pretty busy at the moment - at the rate I'm working through my pending pile, I probably won't get to it until sometime in the new year. If you don't mind the wait though, I can add Sunderland A.F.C. to my list ;) EyeSerene ^talk 12:49, 2 December 2008 (UTC) reply

Just to say the additions you made to the early history have much improved the balance of that section (and sorry I never got back to you sooner), cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 13:13, 2 December 2008 (UTC) reply

I've added a couple of responses. My main concern is the weighting of the history section. The previous 20 years get four paragraphs, yet there is a gap from 1973 to 85 when nothing happens and only two paragraphs for the period from 1913 to 1973, spanning 60 years. Peanut4 ( talk) 15:09, 4 December 2008 (UTC) reply

PS. On the whole, it's a very good piece of work. Well done. I didn't mean to sound too overly critical with anything!! Peanut4 ( talk) 15:11, 4 December 2008 (UTC) reply

Depending on your priorities, it might be worth doing some work on History of Sunderland A.F.C. to either get that to GA, FA or simply some work then a peer review. That way, it will help you to use some other work to get the thoughts in place. Briefly looking at Sunderland A.F.C. seasons, I can understand the hiatus in the middle. Sunderland's early period was their golden era, and the latter years have certainly brought some ups and downs, so it's probably not too far off anyway. Only someone with more in-depth knowledge can truly gauge whether it has the correct weighting. I had similar concerns raised about History of Bradford City A.F.C.. But it's the nature of football that you will get periods of interest and periods of lulls. Just look at Rochdale, the poor club have been in the basement division for something like 30 years now without anything of any note. Peanut4 ( talk) 15:18, 4 December 2008 (UTC) reply

(outdent)Looks much better well done. My only advice now would be to trim the final paragraph. Much of the details there, aren't replicated earlier. E.g. the promotion with the record points total in 1999 had one sentence, yet the promotion in 2007 has at least two long ones. There are no previous changes of ownership mentioned above, and few managerial changes. I realise last season's position is important to finish the article off, but even that can be trimmed a little. I've put below some advised changes. Please don't just follow them, for the sake of following them. It's only advice, because like I said above, your far more likely to know what's right and wrong rather than me. New text in bold.

Following their relegation, the club was taken over by the Irish Drumaville Consortium, headed by ex-player Niall Quinn, which/who who replaced former chairman Bob Murray in July 2006.[62] The consortium appointed former Manchester United captain Roy Keane as their new manager.[63] Quinn oversaw a poor start to the first few games of the season,[64] however Under Keane the club rose steadily up the table with an unbeaten run of seventeen games from the start of 2007.[65] Along with Birmingham City, Sunderland won to win promotion to the Premier League,[66] and were crowned winners of the Championship after beating Luton Town 5–0 at Kenilworth Road on 6 May 2007.[67] The club's form in the 2007–08 season was better than demonstrated during their last season in the Premier League as they eventually finished in 15th with 39 points,[68] retaining Premier League status for the 2008–09 season.[69]

Any questions, feel free to get back to me. Peanut4 ( talk) 03:10, 6 December 2008 (UTC) reply

Looks good. I know it can be difficult to do, but try and think of the most recent events being 15 years ago, and thinking would you put them in if that was the case. Great work overall; best of luck with your FAC if you go that way, and if you need any more help, just let me know. Peanut4 ( talk) 21:27, 6 December 2008 (UTC) reply

Hi there and sorry for not responding earlier, I just did not see your message before. Well, I didn't create the picture of Old Trafford myself, I just uploaded it on Commons, and the author's name was accidentally deleted. It was made by PeeJay2K3. I guess you should ask him if he can make other pictures like this one... Cordialy, Alchemica ( talk) 08:08, 13 December 2008 (UTC) reply

Oh right, cheers for telling me. :) Sunderland06 ( talk) 12:03, 13 December 2008 (UTC) reply

I'm a mite busy with exam revision and Christmas shopping these days, but if I can find some time, I'll give it a go. Failing that, the Old Trafford plan was made in MS Paint, so I don't imagine it should be too hard to recreate for Sunderland's ground. – Pee Jay 13:13, 13 December 2008 (UTC) reply

I just did a minor modification to the Old Trafford plan to create this. What do you think? Any modifications needed? – Pee Jay 20:54, 15 December 2008 (UTC) reply

To be honest, at Old Trafford the lower tier is also counted as just one tier, but it is split into Upper and Lower portions, as seems to be the case at Sun'lun. However, if you think the gap between the two lower tiers should be removed, I'll get that done. As for the stand names, I'll see if I can figure out how to incorporate all the different names for the different sections. – Pee Jay 21:02, 15 December 2008 (UTC) reply

I think I've got it to the stage where it could be put into the article now. – Pee Jay 21:13, 15 December 2008 (UTC) reply

I've made some alterations based on this new information. I'm afraid the stadium plan at the club's website wasn't too clear about whether it was the entire stand that was named "Kronenbourg Stand", "West Stand", etc. or just the lower portion. The latest version is the best I can do without completely re-drawing the plan, and I just don't have the time for that just now. Sorry. – Pee Jay 22:40, 15 December 2008 (UTC) reply

I already removed the "Home End" bit, but the stadium plan you linked me to gives the name of the north stand as "Kronenbourg Stand", so I think it would be best if I didn't change that. Check the stadium plan for yourself if you're not sure. – Pee Jay 22:49, 15 December 2008 (UTC) reply

		Thank you for your participation in my recent RfA, which failed with 61/52/7; whether you supported, opposed or remained neutral. Special thanks go out to Wizardman and Malinaccier for nominating me, and I will try to take everyone's comments on board. Thanks again for the trust the community has placed in me. A special Christmas song for you all can be found at the right hand side of this message! Apologies if you don't like RfA thankspam, this message was delivered by a bot which can't tell whether you want it or not. Feel free to remove it. Dendodge Talk Contribs, 17:39, 15 December 2008 (UTC) reply

I finished my work on the article. By the way, I removed a box from the top of your talk which seems to be outdated. Cheers, Enigma ^message 21:48, 15 December 2008 (UTC) reply

Hi, I've just seen the article at FAC and wondered if you wanted a pic of Roker Park and/or any particular old pix to go with it? -- Myosotis Scorpioides 22:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC) reply

I definitely know where I can get you a 1937 (FA Cup-winning one) - if you want, although I know you didn't ask for that! I will have a look for the others you suggested tomorrow. (Although, I think I have only seen these in books). I've also seen a pic/scan of James Allan somewhere too, which I could look for if you wanted. -- Myosotis Scorpioides 22:49, 17 December 2008 (UTC) reply

If I have time, I would have closed a few nominations on featured portals candidate page. But work is making me impossible to do so. OhanaUnited ^{Talk page} 04:02, 20 December 2008 (UTC) reply

Ok, I had some time. Here's what you can do. Add picture to Portal:Brazil/Selected biography/11 OhanaUnited ^{Talk page} 03:54, 23 December 2008 (UTC) reply

The 2009 WikiCup will begin on January 1, 2009. The first round will run through March 31, 2009. For more information on this tournament, read the " about" section on the main WikiCup page.

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I see that you have your first FAC nomination up! That's fantastic! If you need any help, let me know. Awadewit ( talk) 21:48, 31 December 2008 (UTC) reply

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		Hey there, Sunderland06! Happy new Gregorian year. All the best for the new year, both towards you and your family and friends too. I know that I am the only person lonely enough to be running this thing as the new year is ushered in, but meh, what are you going to do. I like to keep my templated messages in a satisfactorily melancholy tone. ;) Congratulations to Coren, Wizardman, Vassyana, Carcharoth, Jayvdb, Casliber, Risker, Roger Davies, Cool Hand Luke and Rlevse, who were all appointed to the Arbitration Committee after the ArbCom elections. I am sure I am but a voice of many when I say I trust the aforementioned users to improve the committee, each in their own way, as listed within their respective election statements. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to update the 2009 article, heh. Best wishes, neuro (talk) 01:00, 1 January 2009 (UTC) reply

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Hello! Your submission of Timeline of the 1992 Atlantic hurricane season at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Dravecky ( talk) 15:13, 5 January 2009 (UTC) reply

Replied. Sunderland06 ( talk) 17:50, 5 January 2009 (UTC) reply

On January 8, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Timeline of the 1992 Atlantic hurricane season, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Hi,

I noticed you voted oppose in the flag revs straw pole and would like to ask if you would mind adding User:Promethean/No to your user or talk page to make your position clear to people who visit your page :) - Thanks to Neurolysis for the template   «l| Ψrometheăn ™|l»  (talk) 07:06, 8 January 2009 (UTC) reply

Hi, (hmm... AFC, FAC, anagrams!) I have tried to clarify my issue with the sentence regarding Sunderland's move to Newcastle Road, and would like your feedback on the change I made to it in the article. Hopefully, this can be settled quickly. Jappalang ( talk) 22:43, 8 January 2009 (UTC) reply

It an oppose from me I'm afraid. I'd hoped to help with some of the issues, but unfortunately I've been very short of time in the past couple of weeks and only had the chance to edit a couple of short sections. If it fails I'll endeavour to help you to polish it up so that it can sail through next time. Oldelpaso ( talk) 11:45, 10 January 2009 (UTC) reply

I'll see what I can do this weekend. If I don't get far I'll do more on Thursday/Friday, when I'll definitely have some free time. One page worth looking at is User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 1a. Tony is one of the people who opposed over prose issues; the advice in his guide is useful for improving that side of things. One area I do have something of a blind spot for is consistency for are/is when referring to the club. From memory, people who are good at sorting that type of thing out on football club articles include ChrisTheDude, Dweller and Peanut4, it might be worth asking one of them to take a look. Oldelpaso ( talk) 08:45, 17 January 2009 (UTC) reply

I've put a few issues to do with the History section on the talk page. Oldelpaso ( talk) 10:37, 23 January 2009 (UTC) reply

I haven't forgotten about this, even if I have got distracted with things like William McGregor. A couple of things which I saw but haven't yet pointed out: The bit about the Lorimer save comes across as weaselish (who are the many?). In the Stadium section, I believe important developments at Roker Park were designed by the noted football architect Archibald Leitch, which is worth mentioning. I still think hooliganism is overplayed in the Supporters section too. Oldelpaso ( talk) 20:37, 30 January 2009 (UTC) reply

Hi, well done for sticking with the FAC and keeping cool. I know how stressful these can be. But, it's looking good I think. Best wishes. Graham. Graham Colm ^Talk 23:23, 8 January 2009 (UTC) reply

Hi again, I have to take a week off from work when I have a FAC running, and I keep plenty of Guinness in stock to calm me down. Bye the way, my dad was born on the north-east coast (South Shields) and was a life-long, armchair supporter of Sunderland. He moved to Birmingham, my home town, in his 20s. Graham. Graham Colm ^Talk 23:54, 8 January 2009 (UTC) reply

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Sorry to see your FAC failed/withdrew. Ping me on my talk page if you need any help with copyediting. Cheers, – Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 17:35, 12 January 2009 (UTC) reply

No worries. I'll take a look. I'm just about to go out and try forget about our appalling display today (;-)) However, I'll try do it tomorrow evening some point when I finish work. If I forget, just ping me again. Peanut4 ( talk) 20:00, 17 January 2009 (UTC) reply

Ouch. Just seen those dodgy penalties.

Anyway, I've taken a very quick look at the article. Instantly the first two pars jump out at me with a question to help me go forward with your request.

After its formation by schoolteacher James Allan, Sunderland moved towards professionalism; it was elected into The Football League in 1890. Sunderland performed well in the league, earning plaudits such as a "wonderfully fine team", and won their first FA Cup in 1937 with a 3–1 victory over Preston North End. However, their achievements petered out, and in 1958, the club were relegated. They stayed in the top league for a record 68 successive seasons, which only Arsenal surpassed. Sunderland's only triumph after the Second World War was its second FA Cup in 1973, when the club secured a 1–0 victory over Leeds United due to a goal scored by Ian Porterfield.

There are a few options available to you. You can either say "Sunderland A.F.C. are a club ...", "Sunderland A.F.C. is a club ..." or a mix of possibly both by using singular for club, but plural for Sunderland. British English particularly in our press tends to use the plural, but the singular isn't necessarily wrong.

The question now is which of the options do you want to use? I prefer the consistency of either all plural or all singular, but I'm sure I've seen the mix somewhere. If you want more info take a look at English plurals#Discretionary plurals and WP:PLURALS. Peanut4 ( talk) 23:08, 18 January 2009 (UTC) reply

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The WikiCup Newsletter Round I, Issue II - January 18, 2009 Archive before | Archive after Content leaders As of this newsletter, the following is a list of participants with the most: Featured articles Gary King has had 2 successful featured article nominations. Featured lists Scorpion0422 has had 1 successful featured list nomination. Featured topics No participants have had a successful featured topic nomination. Featured pictures Durova has had 8 successful featured picture nominations. Featured sounds Shoemaker's Holiday, X!, and Durova have all had 1 successful featured sound nomination. Featured portals Sunderland06 Good topics No participants have had a successful good topic nomination. Good articles Catalan and Juliancolton have both had 4 successful good article nominations. Did you know? items Candlewicke has had 21 successful "Did you know?" nominations. In the news items Spencer has had 4 successful "In the news" nomination. Biggest Jumps This week, the players with the biggest difference between their points last week, and their points this week are: Rank User LW TW D 1 Durova 144 320 176 2 Candlewicke 60 194 134 3 Shoemaker's Holiday 1 112 111 4 Gary King 86 191 105 5 Juliancolton 133 230 97 6 Sasata 10 92 82 7 Theleftorium 121 197 76 8 Spencer 67 135 68 8 97198 11 79 68 10 Sunderland06 46 104 58 LW = Last Week's score, TW = This Week's score, D = Difference between last week and this week's scores A full list is located at User:Garden/WikiCup/Jumps From the Judges Wow, you guys are racking up the DYK's fast! Good articles are also coming in quite quickly, and we also have a few new Featured articles. This is coming along great so far; we're glad to see almost everyone working on something. Also, Thehelpfulone is our newest judge. He will, starting Monday, be helping maintain the WikiCup and help us ensure all runs smoothly. It's hard to gain consensus between two editors, so I guess "majority rules" (with three people) will start to apply while we make our decision. :-P Keep it up! Garden., iMatthew // talk, and The Helpful One 13:55, 11 January 2009 (UTC) reply WikiCup At a Glance As of this newsletter, the WikiCup participants have collected a total of: 4 Featured articles 1 Featured lists 0 Featured topics 12 Featured pictures 3 Featured sounds 1 Featured portals 0 Good topics 24 Good articles 58 Did you know? items 4 In the news items Current leaders In this round of the WikiCup, the top three contestants from each pool will advance to the next round. As of this newsletter, the current pool leaders are: Pool A Catalan, Gary King (191) Spencer (127) Pool B Shoemaker's Holiday (112) Sceptre (34) Spittlespat (9) Pool C Candlewicke (182) Scorpion0422 (72) Steven Walling (16) Pool D 97198 (79) NapHit (29) ThinkBlue (25) Pool E Sasata (91) X! (69) Straight Edge PXK (6) Pool F Bedford (55) RyanCross (31) the_ed17 (24) Pool G Sunderland06 (104) Ceranthor (34) Skinny87 (17) Pool H Juliancolton (230) Tinucherian (64) Ottava Rima (28) Pool I Durova (319) Theleftorium (196) J Milburn (65) Pool J Climie.ca (101) Paxse (97) Useight (81) All scores are accurate as of the time the newsletter was sent out. If you don't wish to receive this newsletter in the future, remove your name from this list. If you are not a participant, but would still like to receive this newsletter, feel free to add your name to the list.

I have just had another look over it and i think it looks pretty good. I think a second judgement is essential though as it will probably point out anythings i have missed. I would very much appreciate it if you let me know when you do take it to FAC, as i would gladly get involved. Eddie6705 ( talk) 17:54, 22 January 2009 (UTC) reply

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The WikiCup Newsletter Round I, Issue III - January 25, 2009 Archive before | Archive after Content leaders As of this newsletter, the following is a list of participants with the most: Featured articles Gary King and Juliancolton have both had 2 successful featured article nominations. Featured lists Scorpion0422 and Juliancolton have both had 1 successful featured list nomination. Featured topics Scorpion0422 has had 1 successful featured topic nomination, containing 6 articles. Featured pictures Durova has had 12 successful featured picture nominations. Featured sounds X! has had 2 successful featured sound nominations. Featured portals Sunderland06 has had 1 successful featured portal nomination. Good topics No participants have had a successful good topic nomination. Good articles Theleftorium and Juliancolton have both had 5 successful good article nominations. Did you know? items Candlewicke has had 24 successful "Did you know?" nominations. In the news items Spencer has had 6 successful "In the news" nominations. Biggest Jumps This week, the players with the biggest difference between their points last week, and their points this week are: Rank User LW TW D 1 Durova 320 462 142 2 Juliancolton 230 323 93 3 Shoemaker's Holiday 112 189 77 4 Theleftorium 197 262 65 5 Catalan 192 254 60 6 jj137 1 47 46 7 Sasata 92 134 42 8 Candlewicke 194 239 40 9 X! 69 105 36 10 Climie.ca 101 134 33 LW = Last Week's score, TW = This Week's score, D = Difference between last week and this week's scores A full list is located at User:Garden/WikiCup/Jumps From the Judges The content is continuing to pile in, it's great! Nothing significant this issue, but we currently have a straw poll going on regarding the point values of featured pictures, sounds, and lists. Garden., iMatthew // talk, and The Helpful One If you don't wish to receive this newsletter in the future, remove your name from this list. If you are not a participant, but would still like to receive this newsletter, feel free to add your name to the list. WikiCup At a Glance As of this newsletter, the WikiCup participants have collected a total of: 6 Featured articles 2 Featured lists 1 Featured topics 18 Featured pictures 4 Featured sounds 1 Featured portals 0 Good topics 31 Good articles 86 Did you know? items 10 In the news items Current leaders In this round of the WikiCup, the top three contestants from each pool will advance to the next round. As of this newsletter, the current pool leaders are: Pool A Catalan (254) Gary King (215) Spencer (150) Pool B Shoemaker's Holiday (189) Sceptre (35) Spittlespat (10) Pool C Candlewicke (250) Scorpion0422 (146) Steven Walling (29) Pool D 97198 (89) ThinkBlue (37) NapHit (31) Pool E Sasata (140) X! (105) Straight Edge PXK (9) Pool F Bedford (101) the_ed17 (40) RyanCross (32) Pool G Sunderland06 (107) Ceranthor (67) jj137 (50) Pool H Juliancolton (355) Tinucherian (71) Ottava Rima (28) Pool I Durova (462) Theleftorium (264) J Milburn (88) Pool J Climie.ca (135) Paxse (134) Useight (116) All scores are accurate as of the time the newsletter was sent out.

17:40, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi there!

Really, really sorry it has taken me so long to respond. Have been incredibly busy at work... Still am, but felt guilty at ignoring you!! Will try and upload a few pics for you now. If you like any of 'em, I'll ask for the official permission to be sent to WP.-- Myosotis Scorpioides 15:17, 26 January 2009 (UTC) reply

File:Sun1973-74team.jpg

I have received and sent off the official permission needed to use all the pics (if you want to!) to WP this morning via email. Hopefully, they will be ticketed soon - and then ready and waiting for FAC! Just a thought...do you want/need a pic of Wearmouth Colliery - or anything else? -- Myosotis Scorpioides 12:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC) reply

The pics now all have their OTRS WP tickets and are good to go at FAC. All the best with your next try!-- Myosotis Scorpioides 22:51, 27 January 2009 (UTC) reply

Cheers for reviewing it. I've tried to trim it down a tad, and also provided an even more trimmed down alternative if the first doesn't work. Skinny87 ( talk) 16:02, 28 January 2009 (UTC) reply

Thanks for reviewing at DYK. You might not be familiar with all the rules. Typically, we still allow people to nominate articles even after the expiring line if the date is still up on the page. See rule D8 in Wikipedia:Did you know/Additional rules. Cheers. Nrswanson ( talk) 20:08, 31 January 2009 (UTC) reply

No problem. I made the same mistake myself only a few weeks ago until another editor pointed out that rule to me. Since then I have done a thorough read through off the add. rules and I find myself being a much better reviewer. Keep up the good work. Nrswanson ( talk) 20:12, 31 January 2009 (UTC) reply

On February 3, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Derek Forster, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky ( talk) 18:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC) reply

Hi there. I'll take a full look shortly, but I was instantly confused on my first run through. Here are the first two paragraphs.

"Sunderland Association Football Club is a professional association football club based in Sunderland, Tyne and Wear, England, that competes in the Premier League. Since its formation in 1879, the club has won six First Division titles—in 1892, 1893, 1895, 1902, 1913, and 1936 (see Sunderland A.F.C. seasons). As of 2009, it is competing in the Premier League.

After its formation by schoolteacher James Allan, Sunderland moved towards professionalism; it was elected into The Football League in 1890. Sunderland performed well in the league, earning plaudits such as a "wonderfully fine team", and won their first FA Cup in 1937 with a 3–1 victory over Preston North End. However, their achievements petered out, and in 1958, the club were relegated. They had remained in the top league for 68 successive seasons, a record surpassed only by Arsenal. Sunderland's only triumph after the Second World War was their second FA Cup in 1973, when the club secured a 1–0 victory over Leeds United due to a goal scored by Ian Porterfield."

It starts well with "Sunderland is", "its", "competes" in the singular and "the club has", also in the singular. Then the second paragraph drifts into plural, "won their", "their achievements", "club were", "They", "their second FA Cup". It needs to be consistent throughout the entire article in my opinion. Peanut4 ( talk) 00:42, 4 February 2009 (UTC) reply

I've gone ahead and addressed this; I hope I have caught all the instances of singular reference, but you had better check to make sure. I refrained from making too many other copyedits in respect of the scope of you request. Let me know if you need any other help and best of luck with at FAC! Regards, Skomorokh 14:54, 17 February 2009 (UTC) reply

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The WikiCup Newsletter Round I, Issue IV - February 8, 2009 Archive before | Archive after Content leaders As of this newsletter, the following is a list of participants with the most: Featured articles Gary King has had 3 successful featured article nominations. Featured lists Scorpion0422 and Rambo's Revenge have both had 2 successful featured list nominations. Featured topics Scorpion0422 has had 1 successful featured topic nomination, containing 7 articles. Featured pictures Durova has had 24 successful featured picture nominations. Featured sounds X! has had 5 successful featured sound nominations. Featured portals Sunderland06 has had 1 successful featured portal nomination. Good topics No participants have had a successful good topic nomination. Good articles Mitchazenia has had 20 successful good article nominations. Did you know? items Candlewicke has had 36 successful "Did you know?" nominations. In the news items Candlewicke has had 11 successful "In the News" nominations. Biggest Jumps This week, the players with the biggest difference between their points last fortnight, and their points this week are: Rank User LF TF D 1 Mitchazenia 113 671 558 2 Durova 462 887 425 3 Gary King 215 452 237 4 Theleftorium 264 458 194 5 Paxse 134 291 157 6 Candlewicke 250 400 150 7 Juliancolton 355 491 136 8 Useight 116 250 134 9 the_ed17 40 148 108 10 X! 105 210 105 LF = Last Week's score, TF = This Week's score, D = Difference between last week and this week's scores A full list is located at User:Garden/WikiCup/Jumps From the Judges We're still going strong. Couple of things though; please note that you must make it known you are in the WikiCup when nominating FAs, FLs, FPos, FPs, and FSs. This is to lower the possibility of bias. We're also changing the way you get to the next round. Now, the top two from each round get through, along with ten wildcards. This means that even if you're not in the top two you can still get into Round 2, so even if you're in the group of death you can still go through. Hopefully this will be fairer for all. We've also unfortunately had our first withdrawal - Truco has left the Cup. Best wishes for him in the future. Garden., iMatthew // talk, and The Helpful One If you don't wish to receive this newsletter in the future, remove your name from this list. If you are not a participant, but would still like to receive this newsletter, feel free to add your name to the list. WikiCup At a Glance As of this newsletter, the WikiCup participants have collected a total of: 11 Featured articles 8 Featured lists 1 Featured topic 32 Featured pictures 8 Featured sounds 1 Featured portal 0 Good topics 69 Good articles 148 Did you know? items 17 In the news items Current leaders In this round of the WikiCup, the top two contestants from each pool, along with ten wildcards, will advance to the next round. As of this newsletter, the current pool leaders are: Pool A Gary King (452) Catalan (254) Pool B Shoemaker's Holiday (233) La Pianista (61) Pool C Candlewicke (400) Scorpion0422 (249) Pool D 97198 (148) NapHit (63) Pool E Sasata (233) X! (210) Pool F Bedford (202) the_ed17 (148) Pool G Sunderland06 (142) Ceranthor (134) Pool H Juliancolton (491) Tinucherian (95) Pool I Durova (887) Theleftorium (458) Pool J Mitchazenia (671) Paxse (291) Wildcards Useight (250) J Milburn (181) Spencer (177) Climie.ca (169) Rambo's Revenge (100) Tinucherian (95) WereSpielChequers (77) Wrestlinglover (67) Rlevse (65)          10.    ThinkBlue (57)          10.    Skinny87 (57) All scores are accurate as of the time the newsletter was sent out.

20:40, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

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The WikiCup Newsletter Round I, Issue V - February 15, 2009 Archive before | Archive after Content leaders As of this newsletter, the following is a list of participants with the most: Featured articles Gary King and Juliancolton have both had 3 successful featured article nominations. Featured lists Scorpion0422 has had 3 successful featured list nominations. Featured topics Scorpion0422 and Mitchazenia have both had 1 successful featured topic nomination. Featured pictures Durova has had 31 successful featured picture nominations. Featured sounds X! has had 5 successful featured sound nominations. Featured portals Sunderland06 has had 1 successful featured portal nomination. Good topics Scorpion0422, Theleftorium and Gary King have had 1 successful good topic nomination. Good articles Mitchazenia has had 22 successful good article nominations. Did you know? items Candlewicke has had 37 successful "Did you know?" nominations. In the news items Candlewicke has had 16 successful "In the News" nominations. Biggest Jumps This week, the players with the biggest difference between their points last fortnight, and their points this week are: Rank User LF TF D 1 Durova 887 1135 248 2 Scorpion0422 249 483 234 3 Gary King 452 673 221 4 Theleftorium 458 656 198 5 Mitchazenia 671 777 106 6 Paxse 291 371 80 6 Shoemaker's Holiday 233 308 75 8 Useight 250 325 75 9 Bedford 202 275 73 7 Juliancolton 491 559 68 LF = Last Week's score, TF = This Week's score, D = Difference between last week and this week's scores A full list is located at User:Garden/WikiCup/Jumps From the Judges There's not really much to say this week, everyone is still doing well. There was a discussion on shortening the length of round one, but the idea is dead in the water. Thanks for contributing!  GARDEN , iMatthew // talk, and The Helpful One If you don't wish to receive this newsletter in the future, remove your name from this list. If you are not a participant, but would still like to receive this newsletter, feel free to add your name to the list. WikiCup At a Glance As of this newsletter, the WikiCup participants have collected a total of: 13 Featured articles 10 Featured lists 1 Featured topic 42 Featured pictures 8 Featured sounds 1 Featured portal 0 Good topics 78 Good articles 177 Did you know? items 23 In the news items Current leaders In this round of the WikiCup, the top two contestants from each pool, along with ten wildcards, will advance to the next round. As of this newsletter, the current pool leaders are: Pool A Gary King (673) Catalan (254) Pool B Shoemaker's Holiday (308) La Pianista (62) Pool C Scorpion0422 (483) Candlewicke (451) Pool D 97198 (210) NapHit (97) Pool E Sasata (262) X! (210) Pool F Bedford (275) the_ed17 (161) Pool G Sunderland06 (144) Ceranthor (136) Pool H Juliancolton (559) Tinucherian (100) Pool I Durova (1135) Theleftorium (656) Pool J Mitchazenia (777) Paxse (371) Wildcards Useight (325) Spencer (215) Climie.ca (203) J Milburn (202) Rambo's Revenge (110) Rlevse (93) WereSpielChequers (82) Dendodge (74) ThinkBlue (72) Wrestlinglover (72) All scores are accurate as of 22:40, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

23:30, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but it'd take me a solid half-day to give an article of that size anything like a thorough review and I just don't have that amount of spare time. A few bits:

• Comments at the club article PRs and FAC will apply here as well: stuff like wikilinking something on its first occurrence and then (generally) not again; people's ideas for polishing up the writing and punctuation. And you had several copyedits to the main article's history section during the FAC, it's worth looking at the structure and wordings used there.
• Maybe add a hatnote linking to the seasons article, as at History of Ipswich Town F.C.
• There's a lot of blue years in the lead: not sure you need to list the years they won or ran up in the league. Could do with a bit more prose and a bit less listy. Also, you'll need a source to justify the claim of sixth most successful club.
• In general, there's quite a bit of repetitiveness: take the para beginning "Manager Tom Watson resigned...". You already introduced Watson as the club's first manager, so there's no need to repeat his given name twice in this para, or describe him as manager three times. Convention is to use a person's full name on first use and then to refer to them by surname only.
• I wouldn't use full dates unless it's really important to know the exact date on which something happened.
• The Recent times section has far too many full dates, repeated wikilinks, repeated first names, and probably too much detail in general (scores of individual matches etc). The way to look at it is, did you need that level of detail in 1903 (or whenever): if you didn't need it in 1903, you don't need it in 2003.
• Be consistent about team name format: use full name (Newcastle United not Newcastle), unless you're referring to them for a second time in a short space, and don't use F.C. unless it's needed to avoid confusion with the place.
• Images: the pics of Gurney and (particularly) the one of Stokoe and Montgomery claim to have been released by the copyright-holder, but there's no apparent evidence of it, and I'd be surprised if the license claimed were genuine.

Hope these bits help, and sorry again that I haven't got the time to do the article justice. cheers, Struway2 ( talk) 11:51, 17 February 2009 (UTC) reply

It looks like he's done a good job. I couldn't see any discrepancies any more. Peanut4 ( talk) 22:15, 18 February 2009 (UTC) reply