I see that you offered mediation over Democratic peace theory. I am certainly interested. Ultramarine has also expressed willingness to accept mediation on Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Ultramarine. How do you propose to mediate? Septentrionalis 21:10, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
I agree that this is a good topic for an article. I'm surprised we don't have one already! Anyway, let me know how/when I can help. Best, Meelar (talk) 23:53, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
Ya, I would have blocked, but only for being disruptive. The whole we don't know if there are any gay or black people in the GNAA was added because I thought it might be useful... probably not. I guess I saw faulty logic with Chocolateboy's response so I got my back up. I'm not particularly sensitive to these issues, to be honest. As for it being a huge time waster: yep, sure is! - Ta bu shi da yu 02:58, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for adding the second image! I only wish there was some kind of word wrap instead of gaps in the text. Jim Ellis 22:06, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
I'd like your views on Template:test4, the final warning message for someone prior to vandalism. I had some feedback in emails from people I blocked to wanted to know why I had not warned them in advance. I pointed out that I had. It turned out that people often missed the final warning, or did not recognise it in a page of messages. Some people I suspect with poor English may not grasp the fact that it is a final warning. To make it more visual, and also to enable those with poor English to grasp its meaning I added a visual component. One user is unhappy however, preferring just the text version. What is your opinion. The version I created is: [moved down]
(If there is no hand, it may mean that someone has taken it out of the template. In which case the image is the one below. It appeared on the left hand (lol) side of the message. FearÉIREANN \ (caint) 01:53, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.
I'm having my holidays and am therefore subject to limited access. You can add Houston Chronicle to the template as a slow mediation. I'll give it all a look when I have more time. - Mgm| (talk) 11:25, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
(A) I think you have edited the english of the opening paragraph well - much better. I wondered though if the section on the different types (ie combined or progesterone only) and the the 'Use as a birth control method' sections should come ahead of the 'Issues' section to :(1) explain what is being talked about and how they are used before examining, in your execllent section, the issues that this all raises (2) whether the different types is relevant to the 'issues' - i.e. is there thought to be any differences in the mode of action of combined vs protesterone post-coital pills?
(B) Finally there is a little duplication at the bottom of the article with the short section of 'Controversy in relation to abortion'.
David Ruben 19:18, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
The new form is pure progesterone only, ie lacks any oestrogenic effect. This increased the tolerablity (less nausea) and reduces risks (eg on DVT). Given that normal combined oral contracptive pills cocp possibly work slightly different from Progesterone only pill, the question arises whether the issues of ECP as contraception/abortifants apply differently to the 2 methods or not. I genuinely do not know whether there are any differences in mode of action or not.
The whole of contraception on Wikipedia has coverage on the fertilisation/contraception/implantation/abortion points, and modes of action gets mixed with terminology of contraception/abortin (personally I believe anti-implantation is not abortifant, but I happily accept the NPOV that these articles have).
David Ruben 19:46, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
I had a go at reorganising the paragraph structure of the article (comment had been made on duplication in the intro and later on). The 'issues' & 'specific issues' seemed mostly against & for EHC respectively re abortion controversy. As they were marked up at a lower level ('===') than the 'Controversy' section ('=='), they seemed to make good sub-sections which I renamed.
Your hidden pieces of information risked being lost in the re-ordering and would only be viewable to those actually editing the article. I moved them to the discussion where more people can see and consider. I feel these are valid issues/concerns although I think there are counter-arguments to some of them, which I hope you will feel are constructive, I hope you do not mind. Some of these points are applicable to non-prescription items and to people going to more that one healthcare professional to get duplicate treatment - I wonder if wikipedia already has such discussion articles or if they need to be written and referred-to by articles such as this ?
Overall I think your additional information gave a depth and breadth to this article David Ruben 17:52, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
In UK levonelle is currently licensed for use within 72hours after coitus. Effectiveness decreases the longer te interval. A good BMJ article (2003) reviews this limit following WHO tests for upto 120hr (5days) which found little drop off in effectiveness - thank you for prompting me to research on this. Whilst medicine regulation clearly does not change quickly, as a UK doctor I am restricted by this limit (I always assumed use after 3days might risk accusatiuon of attempting for a medical abortion and so not acting within the UK Abortion Act and also that reducing effectiveness means that IUD insertion perferable upto 5days) Wikipedia article should probably state the 3day licenced limit (as that is what patient's can expect from their doctor), but reasonable to make note of the longer intervals - I'll update the artice accordingly. 62.6.139.11 11:59, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the continued correspondence:
David Ruben 19:46, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
Yes, I can have a go at Democratic peace theory mediation starting on Monday. — Catherine\ talk 22:29, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
Steve, using your excellent model, I think I've started to understand working with templates and the template namespace. To help me understand the Journalism Project and Wikiprojects in general, I opened up Wikipedia:WikiProject Media which seems to also be a needed project related to Journalism. Maurreen's signed up but more as an observer/consultant. I'd like your input as well there, if time permits. I'll change the colors of the template used for Wikipedia:WikiProject Media in time, for now the one in use is just for interal project development. Hope all's well with you. Cheers, Calicocat 23:19, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
Hey, I meant to say thanks for the design of test4. It looks great. I actually typed up a message on your page, then left it unsaved on my desktop and later closed the browser before saving it. I loved the Genuine IRA, BTW. Though I think it might be more Light IRA or Diet IRA — smaller than before, that may emerge.
Slán FearÉIREANN \ (caint) 18:14, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
Please see the VFD for commons:List of victims of the 1913 Great Lakes storm. This is of vital importance. This list and others like it are being pushed off of the entire Wikimedia project. It started at Wikipedia, where they were VFDd in favor of moving to Wikisource/Commons. Now they are being VFDd off Wikisource (they don't really belong there, since they are not original source texts), with people there saying they should be on WP/Commons, and it is also being VFDd on Commons, where people don't realize that Commons accepts texts (says so right on the Main Page). This will set a precedent for any user-created lists. -- BRIAN 0918 22:38, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
Someone has proposed Category:Journalism and a few related categories for deletion or merging. Maurreen (talk) 01:25, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
Could you please take a look again at Talk:Commonwealth Realm? We're close to an agreeement, the sticking point is the use of the term "British Crown" which I argue is both 1) a correct term and b) needed at least initially for NPOV purposes. Homey 15:26, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
Two people in a fast sequence of edits left me struggling to edit & insert my own contributions - I waited for the two of you to pause :-) Internally inconsistancy in the miscarriage article on some of statistics (eg 'most threatened do well', yet under relevant sub-section the correct value of 50% proceeding to loss). I've edited some of the statistics and provided UK BMJ & RCOG references. I also moved the types around for more logical progression (ie 'threatened' may lead to 'complete', 'incomplete' may lead to 'septic' and then of course may be 'missed').
In all quite a lot of changes, so any improvement to my English always appreciated :-) - David Ruben 22:49, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
I reported you for violating WP:3RR on Vietnam War. CJK 5 August 2005
Steverigo, I am very disapointed in your actions at Vietnam War in terms of repeated reverts and particularly continuing to revert after the page was protected - in clear violation of the spirit of the Wikipedia:Protection policy. I am therefore blocking you for 48 hours, see also WP:AN. I am not going to be online tonight and only have intermitent access to my email at the moment so please make any comments on this page, I have asked others to look here also. Thryduulf 17:22, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
Steve, this may be a day late and a dollar short but:
You have been blocked for 24 hours under the three revert rule. If you wish to appeal please contact another administrator or the mailing list. Geni 17:06, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
Due to your abuse of admin powers, I have posted an RfC. Please submit your comments there after you are unblocked. Carbonite | Talk 01:03, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
Steve, what on earth are you doing? Just talk to me - please. Uncle Ed 01:07, August 7, 2005 (UTC)
3rr? How did it come to this? A wheel war going on, during my watch? Why didn't you come to me about this? And anyway how did it start? Let's sort this out, before it turns into another RFC, RFArb rhubard brouhaha. Uncle Ed 01:12, August 7, 2005 (UTC)
Steve, let me ask you something. For the sake of argument, let me just assume you were right. Here's the question. Was it worth it? The Uninvited Co., Inc. 01:29, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
Ok. Is it worth it then? I mean, I see your point and everything, but if you'd left a note on your talk page, somebody would have unblocked you in a matter of minutes. Oh, and I don't have any sort of access to the mailing list that would allow me to fix it. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 01:36, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
On behalf of everyone, I want to apologize for the failure to treat both sides equally as required by policy, and I have now blocked CJK for 24 hours for his 3RR violation. Even so, I cannot understand what gave you the idea that it would be appropriate or acceptable in the slightest for you to unblock yourself repeatedly. -- Michael Snow 03:21, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
I haven't gone through to see what the presumably political dispute is, however I felt I had to say something after seeing your name up for disciplinary action. You *know* you're a good editor and admin. I haven't looked into the background of the people complaining but I presume they have similar politics. There is certainly a culture amongst some in favour of banning because they can (ooh big boy!). Personally I'd wish we'd filter such creatures out before they get to be admins but I guess we have to deal with these things. I notice that some of the idiots have even banned an entire country's schools. However - never unban yourself - there will always be others around. I know from personal experience that fighting POV is very hard. I felt I got into many US vs the world disputes and the stress I got from this led me to take a 11 month break. I'm now concentrating on domestic articles. Maybe you need a break? Secretlondon 14:32, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
Mackensen has apparently added blocked me twice - His block made yesterday expired today at 1400 UTC - He used the same comment as well, perhaps to hide his tracks. Can someone get him to explain this? - St| eve 17:31, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
No, here are the relevant blocks by Mackensen (previous was Carbonite, before Thryduulf, then Geni). The first Mackensen block I unblocked. The second I did not, but nevertheless appears to be reinstating when I try to edit a page. The second (unreverted) block expired 16:52, 7 August 2005 UTC. It looks like I forgot my prefs automatically converted the time to my local, and the autoblock added time when I tried to edit a page this am. - St| eve 18:33, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
Well, just as I was somewhat catalytical in getting a formal Arbcom system instituted, it would seem that my disregard for the letter of "the law" (after Mackensen) raises some issues about some basic policy fuckups:
- St| eve 18:57, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
New template: template:block
Now, banned users need to be able to edit a particular page other than their user pages. - St| eve 01:44, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
I notice you reverted while the page was protected. This is bad form and I have rolled you back. Please wait till the page is unprotected before reverting. - Ta bu shi da yu 02:48, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Due to your behaviour, I have asked User:Angela and User:Jimbo Wales to desysop you. I have also noted this request on WP:AN and WP:AN/I. I am uncertain why you are being so disruptive, but it's not a good or desired quality in an administrator. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:26, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Steve, I don't understand why you are shooting yourself in the foot like this. You edited a protected page, which by now you know is against the rules. Another administrator reverted and dropped you a polite note to let you know, and you block him? I thus far had refrained from participating in your Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Stevertigo, even after your retaliatory block of Mackensen (which was disturbing itself). But I find this behavior appalling. If you care for some unsolicited advice, voluntarily refrain from using your administrative powers until this cools down: this means don't edit protected pages, and don't block or unblock anyone—especially not yourself. — Knowledge Seeker দ 03:40, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks Ta bu. Ive read most of the related comments, and aside from the rather reactionary ones, many have had points which require note. First off is the fact that Im not entirely familiar with current nuances of block policy. Ive been around since before some of that policy was around, helped to craft some of it and thus I feel more familiar with it than I am literate of it. Im aware of the flaws in forming it and therefore havent taken as literal. Thus Ive hardly ever used blocking before, and likewise have never blocked a sysop before. What after all is the point? On the one hand, its good to see a sysop ban being enforced, on the other hand, it was crummy to see it used as a POV tool. Ive tried the RFC before - got no response. I answered every single niggle raised by a gangbang gaggle of three different editors of various intellects, and it still came down to a who complained first (at 3RR). Oh well. Thanks for listening, and IIMSS, your capacities do seem rather well-formed —for a youngling. :) I'm going off to mourn Peter Jennings and then to bed. Sinreg, friendly pirate.- St| eve 07:39, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Are you aware of the following? Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Stevertigo. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:52, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Steve, you were doing all right for a few months, then you started acting dizzy and spinning out of control. This is disorienting to others and makes them nauseous (if you get the drift of all these metaphors). If you keep "blocking" other Admins, I am not going to be able to defend your actions. What is so urgent that you have to slam the door on people who have spare keys, anyway? Don't you believe in teamwork?
If these wheel wars keep up, it's going to force the community to appoint some more Stewards with the authority to de-op Admins temporarily. And if they give this power to me, I would de-op almost everyone in the last week who 'blocked' fellow Admins.
Because they did not really talk things over properly. And some of them are using 'blocking' as a substitute for trying to change policy, which is dumb because vigilantism is not a good way to drum up consensus.
You have a tendency to become adamant (as I do), but you take it too far (as I sometimes do). Please don't take it so for, so often. And please include others (like me) in the process. We need teamwork here. Uncle Ed 12:18, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
Steve, based on the comments made by many members of the community on Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Stevertigo, I am asking that you voluntarily de-admin yourself (a request can be made to Angela). There seems to be consensus that trust has been lost and I don't see the need to drag this through arbitration. There's no reason you couldn't regain adminship again through RfA. Please consider this. Carbonite | Talk 12:29, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure what the procedures are on de-sysoping. As far as I know technically it can be done by any Bureaucrat or Steward. As a Bureaucrat I could do it but in common with sysop powers one only uses them in conjunction with the rules. Would you like me to de-sysop you? (Oh IRC has always been toxic). Secretlondon 19:36, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
This is not clear. Your choices are:
Absent a clear statement otherwise, you seem to be making choice #1. Uncle Ed 20:19, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
think it might be a good idea to de-sysop until matters related to 1) the dispute 2) reforms in flawed rules 3) reforms in flawed application of such rules, are resolved. The impression seems to be in the community (the gossip community anyway) that I abused my powers to promote a POINT, or to wage POV (if people even understand or care to make the distinction).
I also encourage you to rescind your admin status ( m:Requests for permissions#Removal of access). Before this recent conflict, I'd considered also persuing Arbitration after noting some page protections and deletions which seem to have been done out of process. Remember, one of the most important ideas is that admins aren't given any special editing authority, and should never use their abilities to further their editorial goals. You stepping down voluntarily (realizing that nothing lasts forever) would be seen as a positive gesture. -- Netoholic @ 15:36, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
I know it probably isn't an area of interest of yours but as a credible contributor I'd value your opinion. Given the endless debate/rows etc over styles I've been thinking as to what is the best way to come up with a consensus solution. Styles have to be in an article, but using them upfront is, I think, a mistake and highly controversial. I've designed a series of templates which I think might solve the problem. There are specific templates for UK monarchs, Austrian monarchs, popes, presidents, Scottish monarchs and HRHs. (I've protected them all, temporarily, because I want people to discuss them in principle rather than battle over content and design right now.) I've used a purple banner because it is a suitable royal colour and is also distinctive. They are eyecatching enough to keep some of the pro-styles people happy; one of their fears seemed to be that styles would be buried. But by not being used they are neutral enough to be factual without appearing to be promotional. I'd very much like your views. I'm going to put them on a couple of user pages and ask for a reaction. There needs to be a calm debate on them this time. FearÉIREANN \ (caint) 03:12, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
I have filed a Request for Arbitration with the Arbitration Committee. This is notice to make a statement in your defense at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Stevertigo. Carbonite | Talk 13:15, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
Why did you block the anon User:67.188.49.1 for an entire month after just one edit? You should have warned first, and not given such a major block for a first offence, especially since it was for "POV," not vandalism. I think long blocks of IPs are considered harmful, especially since this one's a dynamic IP. Dmcdevit· t 07:23, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
I noticed you changed the contrast in the picture I originally uploaded. Unfortunately I didn't saw this before and I reuploaded a higher resolution (the dymaxionmap comes from another source) with some extra information. Thanks for contributing, but I feel I overwrote your work. I apologize and invite you to take a look at the newer version-- Alexandre Van de Sande 19:24, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
The current situation isn't perfect, but inserting spurious hyphens and linebreaks into long chemical names is far worse. Please desist from this activity until a more optimal solution can be reached. Also of note: I don't use 9-point font, and the entire chemical name of ecstasy fits on one line just fine.— chris.lawson ( talk) 02:43, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
Hiya,
The discussion seems to have gone all quiet on the proposed styles solution, though I have tried to get it going again. There is from what was said a clear consensus on using this solution. I'm going to start putting in the papal box to see if it will work. Is that OK with you?
FearÉIREANN \ (caint) 21:56, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
Please do not delete disambiguation headers at the top of articles. They are important navigation tools for our readers. See Wikipedia:Disambiguation. Especially do not remove them again when others have put them back. Thanks. Jonathunder 20:35, 2005 August 21 (UTC)
Steve, FYI Wikipedia_talk:Blocking_policy#Placing_users_in_danger SlimVirgin (talk) 02:27, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
User:Stevertigo/cleanup appears in Category:Wikipedia cleanup. Can it be deleted or redirected to Template:Cleanup? -- Beland 04:21, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
Hello, Stevertigo! I recently expressed my interest in becoming a mediator with Uncle Ed, and he encouraged me to apply. Thus, I've done so at WP:MC. Also, he asked me to propose a new mediation format that would make the process go smoother; I have created such a page at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Proposed. Here are my ideas for mediation:
I hope that makes sense; let me know what you think. I look forward to becoming a mediator! Thanks a lot for your help. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 23:55, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
I've reverted the move. This article is beeter placed as an entry point, and not a "see also" at the top of Hominidae. The term has been a point of confusion since primatologists and anthropologists use them differently - anthropologists in general being unwilling to agree with each other or with primtologists as to many things. If someone is searching for "hominid" in Wikipedia, we want them to get to that explanation first, to decide which of the various meanings they really want. See the discussion at WP:PRIM. Thanks! Adding you to my watch list for a response. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:46, September 2, 2005 (UTC)
After an hour of continually moving the pics back so the layout stayed clean I called it Layout Vandalism. It's not on your list == I guess I could include the inappropriate pics posted too. We had a very stable page and then PUFF! the Layout Vandals appeared. Kyle Andrew Brown 04:50, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure where you're coming from but if you are in attack mode with me just go away. I will ignore it.
But if you're telling me that you are working to make a page appear better on your screen I totally respect that.
What I will share with you is that pictures that editors made alot of effort to construct and build were continually removed. And huge blocks of white space appeared. I dont have any interest in who was doing that. I do have an interest in layouts not being messed up. It is definetly my POV however to describe sex ads, sex pictures and personal attacks on a page as Layout Vandalism. And moving texts and content that has been "stablized" by consensus without going to TALK, especially after the issue has been identified, well I call that discourteous, if not Layout Vandalism.
I also note, reading your TALK, that you have several times been advised by admins to go to TALK rather than engage in war reverting. In this instance you did not follow that advice. In fact, you have a record of dissing the admins you encounter. As an admin you came on to me in my TALK page in a hostile manner. I assume you still are some sort of admin.
In anycase, if you believe my comments were directed at you, they certainly were not. Kyle Andrew Brown 05:40, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
I do not agree with the merger of NOx into the nitrogen oxides. I feel that given the importance of this mixture in atmosheric pollution and the widespread use of this term and the fact that NOx does not include all nitrogen oxides we need a seperate page for it. I accept that the article needed some more work and the name of the page might be better as for example NOx_(mixture_of_NO_and_NO2) so as to avoid confusion. I would like your opinion before reverting your changes though. I also freely admit I am partly at fault here for not removing or commenting on the merge request!-- NHSavage 07:29, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
Although you may be empirically correct, I don't think labelling the divine retribution theories "Less rational speculation" compared to the global warming theories is really NPOV. How about "Faith-based speculation"? -- BD2412 talk 23:59, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
Steve,
Yes, I vaguely remember seeing Hurricane Katrina (lists) up for speedy deletion a few days ago. That was one of the more difficult pages for me to process because it had such a long edit history. Before deleting, I checked every single edit history for that page, as well as the pages that linked to it. I also checked the edit history of User talk:24.165.233.150 to make sure that the re-merging was taking place. After taking a look at some pages that this user edited, I was satisfied that this was being done. Granted, the editing was bold, but based on the editing behaviour of the anonymous user, I felt at the time that the user was making a reasoned decision to merge the content with the existing articles. From my perspective, there was no reason for me to doubt his or her actions, and I felt it was not necessary to keep the resulting blank page due to the merging.
Furthermore, on Template talk:Katrina, I saw this written there:
Although I have not interacted too much with these users, I have seen them around Wikipedia and I had no reason to believe that the decision to CSD by the anonymous user should have been reversed based on these comments. I felt that it was a reasonable assumption to make that these were regular contributors to the template, and that their lack of opposition to the CSD was indicative that it was alright to delete it. I did consider the possibility of reverting the changes and perhaps place the list on AfD due to the existence of the speedy tag, but felt it was unnecessary because I had no reason to think that the merging edits were being made maliciously.
I think what I have written here expresses reasonably clearly the context and rationale behind my decision to delete that list. Your are most welcome to review my records if you find that this is an inadequate for your needs, and should you feel the need to, you are also welcome to monitor all my actions on Wikipedia in the future at any time.
From my perspective, I have wanted to have an experienced administrator audit my contributions on Wikipedia, particularly those related to deletion and blocking. After all, I have not been an administrator for a long time, and I thought it would be a reasonable request to get some feedback. Coincidentally, I was thinking of asking someone to help me out in this respect today, and certainly I was surprised when my sentiment was preempted with your message on my talk page:
I would not be surprised if you found things in my contribution history that might seem questionable to you. I am only a Wikipedian - a human for that matter, and it happens that I might not do everything to everybody's satisfaction. If you insist on finding disapproving behaviour, I am confident you will find it.
At minimum, I would have expected a fellow contributor to extend the courtesy and respect to let me know who would be performing such an “administrator review”. In addition, I would have thought that your conclusion that my deletion was improper would have been accompanied with an explanation in your message to me.
I was thoroughly disappointed to read your message. Not because I am being scrutinized, but because of the inherent meanness which was conveyed by your statements. The two short sentences you wrote came across as terse and sharp. I felt very bitten. I know in the history of that page you were a significant editor to it, and I know you put a lot of effort into making that page. Would it not have been suffice to say something along the lines of:
Wouldn't this have been a more effective, constructive, and positive approach? I am very fortunate that as an editor I occasionally have good natured Wikipedians tell me I've made mistakes somewhere, whether it be about deletions, or miscounting of AfD votes. On my talk page are a few examples of this. I think these examples are exemplary, of the kind of communication that should take place when there are doubts about one's actions.
I took the time to write this, because I want you to be aware that nobody on Wikipedia, or for that matter nobody anywhere, should have to put up with statements like this:
I, for one, will not put up with it. There are much better alternatives to this, and it is thoroughly unnecessary to convey such a deep sense of insensitivity. Am I less deserving of other contributors for reasonable explanations on Wikipedia? I would think not. I would also be inclined to believe that if you received such a message, you would reasonably expect a certain level of decency and tact. Even something like the following would have been effective and served its purpose:
Any well-meaning administrator would not have refused such a request, and in fact, would have gladly accepted it. The Wiki is open, and I am no exception to its mechanism of accountability. Was it too much of a burden to even express who might be looking at my contributions? Or whether you wanted to present this case in an RfC? Or even an arbitration? Was it too difficult to express why the deletion was improper? That perhaps I might be misusing the administrative functions? Or perhaps I should be “de-admined”? I have taken the time to explain myself here. Wouldn't it have been reasonable to do that initially? I assume you expected a response from me in some form, and I think I have reasonably delivered as best I can.
I've spent the time to review your allegations, explained my actions, and invested in some effort and energy to explain how I think this could have been handled better. I've extended a generous courtesy to you, and I sincerely hope you read all of this and take my feedback into account in your future endeavours on Wikipedia. I have no interest in creating a negative atmosphere between us, or for that matter, any other contributor here. This is another reason why I have taken the extra step of being elaborate with my explanations. I reiterate that you are always welcome to review my contributions at any time. I will also contact a number of Wikipedians who I hope will have the time to look at my contributions. I admit, as this is the first time I have received a message on Wikipedia which conveys such thorough lack of confidence in my abilities, I am unsure of what to do next. Perhaps you can advise what I should do? I am not sure what you would like to obtain from your message on my talk page, so please let me know your thoughts on this matter. In the meantime, I will refrain from editing the Wikipedia in the interests that my contributions remain transparent should the auditing begin. If you would like to conduct this audit, please let me know when you are finished so I can resume my regular activites on Wikipedia, whether as just a regular contributor, or as a contributor with administrative capabilities.
Sincerely yours, HappyCamper 03:27, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi Steve,
Thanks for your note on my talk page...you know, for a day or so I did take your comments a bit personally, but that has dissolved away after some thought. I know you were well meaning. Take care, HappyCamper 14:45, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
An image or media file you uploaded, Image:Histoglyph.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. |
The reason I reverted initially rather than adding the Ukrainian story immediately was to quickly get Image:Katrina-14616.jpg off the Main Page, as you hadn't yet uploaded a local copy per Template:C-uploaded to protect against vandalism. You will excuse my brevity in this instance; I don't think any of us like to have autofellatio on the Main Page. Thanks.-- Pharos 05:44, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
Dear Stevertigo,
I reverted your edits at Aisha, because I felt that they endangered a precarious balance achieved after months of Sunni/Shi'a, anti-Muslim/Muslim warfare. My rationale is explained on the Aisha talk page. Please have a look. Zora 07:14, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Please see Image talk:2UK soldiers.jpg about the copyright status (I'm not sure if you would have watchlisted the image page).-- Pharos 23:36, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
No problem about the reversion. I'm currently looking for sections of the article to reduce because some people feel it's too long, and that seemed like a good candidate. Mindmatrix 18:58, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
Actually, the size limit is clearly stated in the Editing Notes:
The original word count is 709 words; the current word count is near 1200. It's already been mentioned on the talk page that the article should be reduced somewhat, and I don't think there's any reason to fork it. That just creates more work later. Mindmatrix 19:12, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
I've replied on the article talk page - we can continue the discussion there. Mindmatrix 19:21, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
BTW: sorry for not having a link to my talk page in my sig. I'll remedy the situation soon. Mindmatrix 19:28, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
Hate to correct you but it's 3 votes. Gotta count the nomination since people can nominate when they want the article merged, redirected, etc, etc. -- Woohookitty 21:58, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Hello, I'm sending this message out to all users listed as inactive at WP:MC. Some of you have been on leave for quite some time, and I'm hoping one or two of you may return to active (every active editor has a case assigned). I know some of you are busy with other wikimedia stuff, like Angela Anthere and Danny, and some of you are busy with academic stuff, like MacGyverMagic and ClockworkSoul. However I still want to leave this message in the hope of perhaps getting some more of you on hand. It's by no means mandatory though, so don't worry. -Acting Chair, R e dwolf24 ( talk) 02:00, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
In case the Arbitration Committee isn't following the talk page discussion at Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Stevertigo/Proposed decision, as per the discussion at that page, I've now left a message at User talk:Fred Bauder#Stevertigo arbitration: one key finding of fact is not resolved asking for a finding of fact to be issued, to resolve whether the 3RR blocks against you were proper or improper. -- Curps 16:46, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi Steve, I saw your note on WP:CP and replied there. But also wanted to leave a personal note, since you seem a little angry about the copyvio tagging of this article.
The page has been listed for quite a while on WP:CP, that's why it eventually ended up on the Others section - no one wanted to touch it with a ten foot pole. I've been trying to clean up that section which led me to this article (I have no interest in the article otherwise). So, I'm not sure what you meant by the comment another RWN attempt to vandalize an anti-war article, or if it was directed at me, but please don't give me a hard time - I'm trying to do the right thing here on a copyvio that has to be dealt with. I assure you that I have no political motivation regarding this article.
As far as tagging the whole article, this is very important - any edit made after the copyvio might be considered a derivative work. That's why Wikipedia's policy is to revert to the pre-copyvio version of the article, and all edits made after the copyvio (and before reverting) get discarded. The article gets tagged until the copyvio is resolved to keep people from working on edits that will end up being discarded. This is true even if the copyvio is only a section of the article. (assuming, of course, there actually is a copyvio)-- Duk 19:45, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Hello Stevertigo I have set up a request for arbitration on the Winter Soldier Investigation I noticed the incredibly high number of deletes on the page, and there was a recent nasty revert war over the copyright issue. I also noticed that you restored some of the edits. Can you explain your involvment with Winter Soldier?
Thanks for your time. Travb 00:36, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi Steve, can you do me a favor and download the image currently on ITN locally and protect it, following Template:C-uploaded. I'm currently on a computer where I cannot do this. Thanks a lot.-- Pharos 00:32, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for making the Intro to "terrorism" NPOV again. I noticed that you had written an NPOV introduction for it a long time ago, but somehow we let it slip away. Here is the Wikipedia NPOV award for your valiant efforts in restoring NPOV and making it a much better article. I will do my best to keep people from destroying it again. Thanks.
I noticed that you were working on other parts of the article as well. A few people have been trying to fix the examples section, or at least put a POV tag on it, but we haven't had much luck going up against Jayjg and SlimVirgin on it. In fact, this duo has blocked fifteen people that I know of who were doing nothing more than expressing their opinion of the POV of the article. Some of them are blocked indefinitely (and they honestly did nothing wrong). SlimVirgin even locked one user's talk page so he couldn't defend himself there (seriously, check it out User_talk:EKBK). Is there any way you could request a source for those examples or at least put a POV tag on that section?
Thanks again for the edit. The article looks a thousand times better. -- Zephram Stark 15:26, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
I was just reading your troll link. "Even if the accusation is unfounded, being branded a troll is quite damaging to one's online reputation." (Donath, 1999, p. 45)
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LMAO, are you serious? I thought being labeled a troll was an initiation—-those that can survive the process are worthy of editing here. I can't imagine that you would think subservience would make great articles. What could someone add who is only here to kiss your butt?
The first time I heard the word Troll in reference to a message board was from my friend Johnny Frazier in the 70s. He claims he coined the phrase to mean someone who trolls for interesting conversation the way that a fisherman trolls for fish. "There are a lot of interesting views of the world out there," he would tell me, "each with a varying degree of internal consistency. When someone creates their world from a thin wrapping of plastic filled hot air, a troll's job is to provide a little pin prick." Granted, sometimes you see people trying so hard to pop your bubble that they refuse to accept that you might not have one, (see my talk page for example), but these wouldn't be trolls in the original meaning of the term. Trolls are happy little guys who relish other people's realities and feel right at home in any type of internally consistent world. -- Zephram Stark 19:35, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
The Iraq War article should be in the past-tense state, as it is a finished war. The point of having an "Iraq War" article is to represent the war and other articles to delineate Iraqi insurgency. The "conflict in Iraq" as it stands now is the insurgency (some say Iraqi civil war).
Define the common term that everybody uses? Iraq insurgency does this (or more particularly Iraqi civil war does). The google results link (god results?) that you gave cover the war on terrorism, the finished iraq war, and the insurgency.
Now, after the occupation ended, a new sovereign took control of Iraq .... it's kinda telling that you bring up the banner thing .... after the 2003 invasion of Iraq there was "mission accomplished" (this, though, is a particularly misapplied event to the overall war (this was to the 'invasion of Iraq' only); it though has been disbelieved by many of the war's critics (aka. a vocal and non-neutral POV) and subsequently disputed by these critics) and the current conflict [or "war" (usually applied with an anti-war POV to "keep the war going")] is a miscategorized in reguards to the the "iraq insurgency" (that is why that article is there ...).
It is stated in the infobox "Occupation end: June 28, 2004". That is when the new Iraqi government took control of the country. This is view of UN ... who considers the occupation over. There may be a problems with the article's framework of the article if it contridicts a particular non-neutral stance. The insurgents are fighting the internationally recognized Iraqi government. The "Iraq War" article is to represent the 2003 war (and some of the "occupation") .... not the conflict concerning the insurgency and the new government (and it's allies). Sincerely, JDR 19:04, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
Is there any reason to keep the following screenshots?
If so, could you please tag them? Thanks, dbenbenn | talk 07:01, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm fairly up on online acronyms (IIRC, HTH, HAND, FOAD, YMMV) but I've never seen WADR. Just what are you trying to tell me? Zora 21:27, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
Steve, the disputes I had with Idleguy have been resolved for now, I think. As for Terrorism in Pakistan, it has reached a point I think which is as neutral as it can get considering both sides (please see talk page and the edit history of the article). I have compromised fairly, but idleguy reverted repeatedly. It was not always a matter of sourcing, but the quality of his sources, which were biased most of the time. Also, he adjusted sentences and statements to give an anti- Pakistani POV, such as where he took the statement that applies to the Information minister of Pakistan and applied it to the entire government. See talk page of the article for details.
As for State Terrorism, you can look at the edit history on seeing the clear POV that was being added by Idleguy. It was basically a whitewash attempt of the India section and an attempt at POVing the Pakistan section. The initial editor involved was User:Deepak gupta and I had a compromise with him (see [User [2]) and we both agreed even though he shared the same POV as idleguy. Idleguy reverted immediately despite my agreement with gupta, thus indicating that he was only here only to insert POV. I have tried compromises with Idleguy, but he refuses to agree. I have refrained from making changes to the state terrorism article now and hope that Idleguy will too. See the edit history of that article for details.
Idleguy has been acting very disruptively in the past, especially on the Terrorism in Kashmir article where he kept messing with the neutrality tag. There is a background to this story that idleguy hasn't told you.
I can only hope that Idleguy will work productively and neutrally in the future and refrain from his constant personal attacks. For now, in my perspective, the issues have been resolved provided that idleguy does not add anymore objectionable material.
Yours, a.n.o.n.y.m t 04:07, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
Hello, I've posted a message on the Template_talk:See. Could you have a look at it ? Regards. Lvr 14:35, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
Steve, you've been extensively involved with Reddi's changes to Iraq War and his opinion that the war is over. I recently filed an AfD Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/War_of_Iraq on Reddi's recently created article War of Iraq because it looks to me like a mirror image of the Iraq War article circa October 5th. Due to your involvement, I would like to hear your opinion on this matter. - Mr. Tibbs 19:29, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Tibbs, running to Steve here doesn't help your case. And has been stated .... in the 'Iraq War Talk' _by others_, the technical exposition of facts (as in the War of Iraq article) is the most NPOV. JDR 21:28, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know about that. Jayjg (talk) 21:59, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
The arbitration committee has reached a final decision in the Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Stevertigo case →Raul654 23:27, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
PS - Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Stevertigo →Raul654 23:34, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
Steve, I just wanted to say that, whatever mistakes you may have made, I think Arbcom listing an RfA on you behalf was unfair. You really did deserve better treatment than that. Doc (?) 23:48, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
Would you happen to know what to put in monobook.css to change the image thumbnail background color, and the background color of the margin that surrounds the thumbnail? I've got everything black except for that. Thanks. — BRIAN 0918 • 2005-10-26 12:46
User talk:Redwolf24. R e dwolf24 ( talk) 00:34, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Hello, I'm the author of Fosfori Verdi: congratulations for your work! Your skin is very readable, clean and clear. I upgraded my skin with some new features, maybe you could be interested in look at them. I also worked on the .js, too. -- Kormoran 03:33, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
The dispute as to whether arbcom sending you back for reconfirmation was beyond the point, I closed it early due to the snowball's chance of in hell general rule of thumb where noms are many times removed early if they have absolutely no chance of succeeding (you would have needed a ridiculous number of supports with no more opposes to get the required 75%-80%). General consensus on Wikipedia Talk:Requests for adminship was to remove your nom on these grounds. Believe me that if there was a chance of you getting voted I would have commented on the talk page against it's removal but as it was I think I did the right thing. Jtkiefer T | @ | C ----- 03:55, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi, I was just wondering what you meant by the comment you made on my vote here. It had nothing to do with the arbcom, but rather my own conscience and the opinion that it seemed unlikely that most users would be able to treat you fairly one way or another with the atmosphere in there. I'm still in doubt though. Karmafist 01:15, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
You're welcome. I'm sorry if it doesn't work out. -- Merovingian (t) (c) (e) 05:04, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Hey , what was the request on meta which failed to get confirmation, as mentioned by Anthere in your RfA? Got a link? Cheers Moriori 22:34, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
You're welcome. I don't know enough about the situation to pass judgement on the ArbCom's conduct, but I do know that one, or even several, 3RR violations should not lead to de-adminship. Andre ( talk) 13:44, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
My name is Oliver Metz. I am a student at Brent International School, Manila, an International school located in the Philippines. I am doing my last year of school (12th Grade) and I am writing a research paper (about 4000 words) on Wikipedia in ITGS (Information Technology in a Global Society). Of 10 randomly picked people you have been chosen as one. If you are willing and have the time to answer a few questions I would be grateful if you could fill out a short questionnaire of 6 questions.
Some Information about my essay:
My essay topic is about the freedom to collaborate and the usage of the Internet as a tool to do so. I will analyze topics such as Altruism versus Egoism as well as the Product Wikipedia itself.
My Thesis Statement: The Internet is not only a medium for communication, information and marketing but also a place for altruism, collaboration and cooperation. Wikipedia is the product of a voluntary collaborative effort that defies commonly held beliefs about human nature.
If you have any further questions or requests you would like to pose before filling out the questionnaire I'd gladly answer them.
you can write to: taklung@gmx.net (I check this e-mail address regularly)
Questionnaire:
Please answer the following questions by either inserting the answers or sending them to me via e-mail. (*are not necessarily required). Name*: Age*: Nationality*:
1. How long have you been contributing to Wikipedia?
2. Have you or are you planning to donate money to the Wikipedia cause?
3. When you first heard of Wikipedia and the concepts it is based on, what did you think about it and did you believe it could work? What do you think now?
4. Why do you think people contribute to Wikipedia? With it being voluntary what interests do/did you follow when contributing to Wikipedia?
5. Do you think that Wikipedia appeals to Altruism? If yes, do you think such a thing can exist in our society in which greed and consumption apparently drive the world?
6. What do you think makes Wikipedia most beneficial to society?
Further comments*:
With kind regards,
Oliver Metz -- TakLung 10:05, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for defending the article CIA leak investigation. I started the article about two weeks ago because the Plame Affair was getting too long to include anymore new topics. The Plame Affair did not include research on the process and people from the DOJ. Over the past 2 weeks I spent over 20 hours researching the laws, the lawyers, and the court system. I even emailed law firm to verify information. I reseached and started a half dozen new articles from this page, mostly about the attorneys involved. So, I was shocked and disappointed that someone could erase all this work. I am calming down some, but I'm still upset.-- FloNight 00:55, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi Steve.. yes, it's fine that you added the bold "keep" to the start of my comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CIA leak grand jury investigation. I started writing that comment not entirely sure whether I felt it should be kept in a separate article or merged into Plame affair, and by the time I'd concluded that it should indeed remain separate as a detail/"main article" type thing, I forgot to go back to the start and fill in "Keep". :-) -- Stormie 03:11, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for uploading Image:Peterotoole.jpg. I notice the image page currently doesn't specify who created the image, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created the image yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the image on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the image yourself then you should also specify where you found it, ie in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.
If the image also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture then you can use {{gfdl}} to release it under the GFDL. If you can claim fair use use {{fairuse}}.) See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.
If you have uploaded other images, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of image pages you have edited by going to "Your contributions" from your user page and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thanks so much. -- Arniep 12:40, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Because humanism doesn't even appear in the box. Plus, it's a less than useful box. Humanism for some people is a philosophy, for others, the word philosophy has no meaning when thinking about humanism. I'm happy to followup with this on the humanism talk page. I will not read a reply here. Tedernst 18:44, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
RE: "Should we split this category to a Category:Living American World War II veterans?" - I'm not against it, and if this were 20 years ago, I'd be all for it. Legally, (if they didn't lie about their age to get in), they are all a minimum of 81 years old now. As such, I think now it would probably be of limited value and redundant before too long as at the rate they are dying there won't be any within a very few years. As the category reads now, it adequately describes them either way. My big thing is to make sure those who served are honored accordingly in their article. - Ted Wilkes 00:05, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
It would also be a lot of work changing the category as each one dies but then just that statistic would be interesting by itself. The "honor" thing is important to me, even if the War is good/bad/ etc. and no matter what side they were on. I see the category as the honor (recognition). - Ted Wilkes 00:27, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi Stevertigo, I really don't like this new edit tag thing you're adding to articles. I think it's important for readers (non-editors) to see if and article is highly POV, or factually inaccurate, so they don't read the article and get false information. The way you're having it, non-editors won't really know what the abbreviations mean, and they'll just go ahead and read the article. Would you mind stopping what you're currently doing and try bringing this up on some talk page or something? Thanks. -- Hottentot
Glad to have you back! I already got a case for you, Wikipedia:Requests for mediation#Joan of Arc. Cheers :) R e dwolf24 ( talk) 22:46, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi. I noticed you edited the Wikipedia:POV fork article before. Could you take a look at it? I'm involved with a dispute with a user who is accusing me of a "POV fork." He hasn't referenced that page, but I just happend upon it. It is (apparently) a Wikipedia:Guideline. A user who I do not know (but it seems is active in the articles surrounding the dispute and with some of the users involved in my dispute) has turned it into a guideline a few days ago by just adding the {{guideline}} template to the article. The discussion page is blank. I don't know for certain if this is appropriate but I am pretty sure it is not. I noticed before you made an edit on that page after the same user added the {{semipolicy}} tag and said "something written yesterday cant quite be semi-policy yet" which is common sense to me. Now that user has turned it into a guideline (after having removed the {{proposed}} tag before and placing it in the Wikipedia:Essays category, which seems quite strange to me). I'm pretty sure things don't become guidelines simply by a user adding the template to the page. Could you review it and make any changes as necessary? I do not want to touch it for fear that it will escalate my dispute should any changes I make be referenced. Seeing as you made that commonsense edit before, I was hoping you could check it out. Thanks (and I'll understand if you also don't want to touch it with a ten-foot pole, but perhaps you could ask someone on my behalf who would examine it?).-- 24.57.157.81 12:42, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm trying to determine the source of the picture Image:RFJesus.jpg. The comment when you uploaded it says "This is Fair Use image-- See Popular Mechanics link-- cited BBC Image Library". I can't figure out what Popular Mechanics link is meant by this. Do you have more complete information on the source? Thanks. -- Tabor 05:05, 9 November 2005 (UTC)