The pronunciation of Stadsbank is [ˈstɑtsbɑnk] or [ˈstɑdzbɑnk]? -- Bigbullfrog1996（ 𓆏） 22:29, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- The former. [dzb] is a Slavic-like assimilation and, to my knowledge, is not a typical native pronunciation. On the other hand, a single voiceless consonant preceding /b/ and /d/ would typically be voiced, though not always. Asbak is typically pronounced [ˈɑzbɑk].
Sol505000 (
talk) 06:17, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- So the pronunciations of
Oudsbergen,
Leopoldsburg and
Sint-Amandsberg are
[ˈʌutsˌbɛrɣə(n)],
[ˈleːjoːpɔltsˌbʏrx] and
[ˌsɪnt ɑˈmɑntsˌbɛrx]?--
Bigbullfrog1996（
𓆏） 23:01, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but the last two should be written
[ˈleːjoːpɔltsˌbʏr(ə)x] and
[ˌsɪnt ɑˈmɑntsˌbɛr(ə)x]. The optional schwa is an equally correct and standard pronunciation. On the other hand, [ˈʌutsˌbɛrəɣə(n)] is not standard as no schwa can be inserted before /ɣ/ in Standard Dutch, only before a non-prevocalic /x/ or any other consonant triggering schwa-insertion.
Sol505000 (
talk) 08:35, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- And when should I add "ˌ"? E.g.
[ˈsteːfoːrt] or
[ˈsteːˌfoːrt]? (
Stevoort)--
Bigbullfrog1996（
𓆏） 21:58, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- I honestly don't know. Just mark the primary stress and the transcription will be fine. (Also, Stevoort should be transcribed with ⟨v⟩ per MOS:IPAINTEGRITY). Sol505000 ( talk) 11:37, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
- And when should I add "ˌ"? E.g.
[ˈsteːfoːrt] or
[ˈsteːˌfoːrt]? (
Stevoort)--
Bigbullfrog1996（
𓆏） 21:58, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but the last two should be written
[ˈleːjoːpɔltsˌbʏr(ə)x] and
[ˌsɪnt ɑˈmɑntsˌbɛr(ə)x]. The optional schwa is an equally correct and standard pronunciation. On the other hand, [ˈʌutsˌbɛrəɣə(n)] is not standard as no schwa can be inserted before /ɣ/ in Standard Dutch, only before a non-prevocalic /x/ or any other consonant triggering schwa-insertion.
Sol505000 (
talk) 08:35, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
- So the pronunciations of
Oudsbergen,
Leopoldsburg and
Sint-Amandsberg are
[ˈʌutsˌbɛrɣə(n)],
[ˈleːjoːpɔltsˌbʏrx] and
[ˌsɪnt ɑˈmɑntsˌbɛrx]?--
Bigbullfrog1996（
𓆏） 23:01, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
Can you clarify your actions, in terms of WP:BRD? JBW ( talk) 21:07, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- Neither voiced bilabial plosive nor any other consonant/vowel article is meant to be an exhaustive list. A nasally released [b] is an entirely predictable allophone before nasals not only in Slovene but also in other languages. This information belongs to Slovene phonology, if anywhere. We don't need two Slovene examples, or two (or more) examples from any other language variety for that matter. Our consonant/vowel articles are not meant to describe the phonetics of any given language (at least beyond a short note, which is appropriate) but to list examples of the language varieties in which the sounds occur. Sol505000 ( talk) 21:11, 20 February 2024 (UTC)