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Hello - I have a question. Is it necessary to create a bibliography page? See Paramahansa Yogananda bibliography page and talk page - [ [1]] I don't see an encyclopedic need for it. Red Rose 13 ( talk) 07:55, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
(Transcluding earlier discussion here for context. Scroll down for my question)
I've updated the criteria section because it appeared to condone the use of original research by examining a subject's relationships rather than what WIkipedia's verifiability policy actually requires, which is a citation to a reliable source that explicitly identifies the subject as "polyamorous". Further, living people should not be in this list based on anything other than self-identification as required by WP:BLPCAT. The criteria have been modified so as to make these requirements clear. Yworo ( talk) 00:02, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
Please provide a link to Wikipedia's policy on sexuality requiring a directly statement of a particular word for someone living (in this case, polyamory), rather than a statement that essential says the same thing (this is with regards to Tilda Swinton and Warren Buffet interview references). The above links do not clarify or support your assertions. Cooltobekind ( talk) 05:42, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Never mind. I found it, but it is does not answer my question regarding how specific a self-assertion must be (relating to a specific term, rather that a statement that essentially says the same thing). I ask for respect here, as minority sexualities have historically been discriminated against and their histories hidden. The term polyamory is fairly new and used to describe a wide range of consenting relationships amongst multiple people, that historically have fallen under other (and false) descriptions, such as affairs. (emphasis by Deus) The policy references homosexuality and 'closeted gays' - but nothing with regards to polyamory. Someone like Warren Buffet and Tilda Swinton are clearly not hiding their relationships and their activities. How can I get this clarified, or if no clarification exists, get this dispute resolved?
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As you can see in the discussion page regarding the German wikipedia article on Polyamory, I expressed the same concern about many on their list that I did not include because the sources were inadequate. What I am hearing, is because historically these terms did not exist (because of historic discrimination against these kinds of relationships), and as such their categorization between our modern terms such as "open marriage", "swinging" and "polyamory" cannot be determined, that no list article recording them should be kept. Is there a classification that can be agreed upon that encompasses all these relationships, or are they to be relegated to the trash because there classification cannot be determined? While someone reading or researching the specific person would read about the relationship on their article (if it is already reported), someone who wants to read up on or research those in consensual relationships involving three or more persons, (be they under whatever term - polyamorous relationships, open marriage, etc.) will have to either know who to look for or be adept at searching to find out about such relationships. What disturbs me is what is someone who identifies with such relationships, and is trying to research or find those who were in such histories, will be unable to or have a more difficult time in finding those involved. Historically, those practicing alternative sexualities had their histories hidden and had few role models to look up-to. I am not trying to debate values here - but I am stating that their exists significant historical precedence against such relationships and that sensitivity and consideration towards the historical discrimination and repression of these histories must be a consideration here. I am more than open to an alternative term being suggested, or diving up the content between two or more articles (such as List of Polyamorists and the list of those in an open relationship), based on the best evidence. Content still in dispute could be left on the discussion page(s) until better evidence can be found for the inclusion in one or the other article. Cooltobekind ( talk) 07:21, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
And now for my question. The definition of polyamory is: "The practice ... of having more than one sexual loving relationship at the same time, with the full knowledge and consent of all partners involved." What about a hypothetical household composed of parents John Smith, Jane Smith, Nick Jones, and Nikki Jones, with children John Jones (by John out of Nikki), Nikki Smith (by Nick out of Jane), Nick Jones jnr (by Nick out of Nikki), and John Smith jnr (by John out of Jane)? They've lived together, at the same address, for twenty years. The papers use the terms "lovers", "mistress", and crucially, the phrases "loving relationship" and "knowledge and consent of everyone involved", but nowhere is the term "polyamory" used. Would such a household be O.K. to list? What about if John Smith snr says something to the effect of "I've loved my wives as soon as I clapped eyes on them, and we started living together soon thereafter"? What if this is a case occurring in the 1600's, in which case we're not talking about newspapers, but history books? The word polyamory is not known by all (in fact, it's mostly known by the liberal California social justice activist set), but the concept is. -- Deus omnipotens sum ( talk) 05:56, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
Here's what I mean: in 1789, Horace Lawson invents a system of engraving a representation of music onto ten-inch shellac discs, allowing a geared turntable suitably equipped with a needle and acoustic amplifier to reproduce said music. He describes this invention at a party, and the description makes it into the newspapers... but Horace doesn't give his invention a name, or perhaps he simply calls it a "new type of music-box". The definition of a phonograph is "an instrument for reproducing sounds by means of the vibration of a needle following a spiral groove on a revolving disc". Lawson's invention is exactly that. How, then, is it original research to claim that Lawson invented the phonograph? -- Deus omnipotens sum ( talk) 20:55, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Looking at the edits of a blocked sock, @ DerekWinters:, I see that you reverted him once when he moved material from Ojibwe to Broken Oghibbeway. He did this with a lot of languages, each time ignoring the fact that he'd left vital parts of the references behind, so we end up with for instance just "Nichols, John, 1995, pp. 1-2." with not enough information about the actual source. That one is better than those with just a surname and year! Doug Weller talk 15:53, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
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