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Happy editing! ~ ToBeFree ( talk) 21:56, 26 March 2023 (UTC) reply

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~ ToBeFree ( talk) 22:00, 26 March 2023 (UTC) reply

Hello there. Thank you for the threat of blocking me from editing pages. I believe I made a prima facie case about why that section is accurate (see the source(s)) and several users have undone and restored the article. I believe instead of threatening me, as an experienced Wikipedia user, you now have the burden to explain why that section is "contentious." It is verifiably accurate that they were "accused," not they they "committed" and act. I hope you like Wikipedia and decide to stay too! ReidLark1n ( talk) 23:09, 26 March 2023 (UTC) reply
WP:BLPCRIME seems relevant. I don't judge in this regard; all I see is an edit war about a crime accusation, so I keep it out of the article until a consensus is found. I do not (need to) contribute to that consensus, and the burden to find one is on you. ~ ToBeFree ( talk) 23:14, 26 March 2023 (UTC) reply
Accused does not mean convicted. Do you believe that the topic is not a public figure? That seems to be the dispositive question. I agree that I need to form a consensus, but I only reverted the edit once. However, threatening someone seems to place the burden on you. Here are some sources, reliable or not, that at least prove the "accusation."
https://nyunews.com/news/2021/10/20/jamie-margolin-emma-tang-sexual-assault-allegations/
https://www.yahoo.com/video/aapi-activist-climate-activist-accuse-230055269.html
https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/ViewDocument?docIndex=kkKx9zgobOECUysUF5dmfA== ReidLark1n ( talk) 23:22, 26 March 2023 (UTC) reply
The content-related discussion including the list of sources is probably best discussed at Talk:Jamie Margolin; thanks for creating a section there. Regarding threats, I was more concerned about taking action without a clear warning than providing unnecessary warnings, so I have provided a clear warning. ~ ToBeFree ( talk) 23:30, 26 March 2023 (UTC) reply
Yes - the tone was just unclear of your message. I am slightly just annoyed this page hasn't been protected yet due to all the vandalism. ReidLark1n ( talk) 23:32, 26 March 2023 (UTC) reply
The tone was, probably completely unnecessarily, stern, as I seemed to deal with an account created for the sole purpose of damaging the public view of a living person. Regarding page protection, the page is currently semi-protected and had been extended-confirmed protected a few years ago ( protection log). ~ ToBeFree ( talk) 23:35, 26 March 2023 (UTC) reply

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