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Bbb23 (
talk) 17:11, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello! I have reread the Wiki on reliable sources and thought that the IMDB, IBDB and Playbill would constitute reliable sources for an entertainer? I am married to Susan Mosher (who is the primary source I assume) Her current Wiki entry has been inaccurate for years. It claims she's currently in a show (Hairspray) that closed in 2009 (she's not), it claims that an off-Broadway show was on Broadway (it wasn't) and the entry is generally sparse and outdated. The front page notice claims Wikipedia would like it updated with new information added which is what I'm trying to do. She would very much like to have it updated to reflect her full career history, awards and current work.
- Please advise what I need to change in the revised entry to comply with Wiki standards - I'm new at this and don't want to resubmit it unless I can be sure it will stay published. Thanks so much! Nycwriter2 ( talk) 22:49, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Bbb23 ( talk) 23:19, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply. I will absolutely do my best to keep the article completely unbiased, I would never seek to cause a disruption or seem promotional, only provide relevant information. The current entry is just frustratingly out of date and inaccurate, totally outside the spirit of Wikipedia. I have avoided editing for a very long time but don't foresee any other editors being able to correct the information as she's not a household name and it's remained in it's current state for many years. In terms of citing sources, are the IMDB and IBDB acceptable? I can take out the citation of reviews of her current show if that seems too promotional. Please advise and I so appreciate your help. Thank you.
Nycwriter2 (
talk) 00:15, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- First, you have to declare your conflict of interest on your userpage per the instructions in the above notice. If you have trouble, you can ask questions at the
WP:Teahouse. Second, you must not edit the article directly. Instead, you must propose changes on the article Talk page.--
Bbb23 (
talk) 00:23, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, I will do my best to follow instructions but after reviewing the COI page, this seems a bit overwhelming. Can I simply add the COI tags on the articles talk page, requesting the current entry be mostly deleted as 80% of it is inaccurate and add in the full text of the revised entry that includes additions as the proposed changes? Or does it have to be some line by line thing? If I suggest the revised entry on the talk page, is the sourcing adequate?
- As an alternative solution, can she suggest a fan go edit the page instead of me and provide that fan with biographical information?
- Can she request to just have the wiki entry removed entirely due to it being inaccurate and outdated?
- Thanks again for your patience.
Nycwriter2 (
talk) 02:20, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- Mosher should not ask a fan to edit the page. They too would have a conflict of interest and would be in no better position to make changes to the article than you are. You don't have to do line-by-line changes, but the "revised entry" would have to comply with all of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, meaning the material would have to be supported by
reliable sources, be encyclopedic (not like a personal website) and
WP:NEUTRAL, be noteworthy (meaning worth mentioning, i.e., not trivia or excessively detailed, commensurate with her status as an actress) - I could go on. It's not easy for new editors to edit Wikipedia. There's a lot to learn. It's much easier for newbies to make small changes to articles. For that reason, you'd be more likely to get what you wanted if you proposed incremental changes rather than a major revision. As for Mosher requesting deletion of the article, we do not delete articles simply because the subject doesn't like them. Generally, the only way an article is deleted is if it's nominated at
WP:AFD because it doesn't comply with our notability guidelines (see
WP:GNG and
WP:NACTOR), and the "community" agrees after a minimum 7-day discussion. I have no idea if she is "notable" or not. I've now spent more time on this than I wish; it's not really my forte. Remember, you can ask these sorts of questions at the
WP:Teahouse. The editors who patrol that forum can be very helpful, especially to new users.--
Bbb23 (
talk) 13:41, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- Got it, thank you so much for all the info and taking the time to answer my questions. I really appreciate it. Best of luck and have a great day. Nycwriter2 ( talk) 14:19, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- Mosher should not ask a fan to edit the page. They too would have a conflict of interest and would be in no better position to make changes to the article than you are. You don't have to do line-by-line changes, but the "revised entry" would have to comply with all of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, meaning the material would have to be supported by
reliable sources, be encyclopedic (not like a personal website) and
WP:NEUTRAL, be noteworthy (meaning worth mentioning, i.e., not trivia or excessively detailed, commensurate with her status as an actress) - I could go on. It's not easy for new editors to edit Wikipedia. There's a lot to learn. It's much easier for newbies to make small changes to articles. For that reason, you'd be more likely to get what you wanted if you proposed incremental changes rather than a major revision. As for Mosher requesting deletion of the article, we do not delete articles simply because the subject doesn't like them. Generally, the only way an article is deleted is if it's nominated at
WP:AFD because it doesn't comply with our notability guidelines (see
WP:GNG and
WP:NACTOR), and the "community" agrees after a minimum 7-day discussion. I have no idea if she is "notable" or not. I've now spent more time on this than I wish; it's not really my forte. Remember, you can ask these sorts of questions at the
WP:Teahouse. The editors who patrol that forum can be very helpful, especially to new users.--
Bbb23 (
talk) 13:41, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- First, you have to declare your conflict of interest on your userpage per the instructions in the above notice. If you have trouble, you can ask questions at the
WP:Teahouse. Second, you must not edit the article directly. Instead, you must propose changes on the article Talk page.--
Bbb23 (
talk) 00:23, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
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- Hello, thanks for the invite. I've posted in the Teahouse, any help would be greatly appreciated! :) Nycwriter2 ( talk) 15:42, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi there! I made a few edits to Ms. Mosher's entry. I'm not really familiar with what sources are acceptable in this field so it's taking me a bit. I don't think we can use IMDB or IOBDB as references themselves, just in the external links. You provided a wonderful amount of information and I'll see what I can safely include. It just takes a while, and like someone said above it's easiest to add bit by bit. I also wanted to say that I'm sorry you were met with a bunch of warnings. Your contributions are valuable, well written and nicely organized. Thanks for adding and updating the information, and welcome! Tbennert ( talk) 02:02, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- I have made all the changes I can find safe sources for. It should meet notability based on her awards but I'll let someone else make that call. Hopefully someone else can improve the article further. Thanks!--
Tbennert (
talk) 20:33, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- It's a massive improvement, thanks for taking the time! And thanks for your kind words about my original contribution - if anything I've become more intrigued about Wikipedia and how it works. Such an interesting collective collaboration and while it was frustrating initially to not be able to change the entry myself, I'm ultimately glad that the rails are in place. A question about sources - how does one confirm TV and Film credits if the IMDB is not an acceptable source? (I do see it cited frequently on other wiki pages) I'm not sure what other sources are out there that are as comprehensive?
Nycwriter2 (
talk) 21:36, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- As for IMDB, sometimes editors will put it in without realizing it can be unreliable. And you've seen some articles don't get attention so the reference stays in place. I checked and apparently it can be acceptable in certain circumstances - Wikipedia:Citing IMDb. Unfortunately I don't edit much on entertainment articles so I don't know which sources are considered okay. Compounding that, I found the cabaret industry doesn't get much coverage other than schedule notices and the same for stage performances. Thanks again for bringing attention to her article. She seems to be a funny and talented person. -- Tbennert ( talk) 22:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- It's a massive improvement, thanks for taking the time! And thanks for your kind words about my original contribution - if anything I've become more intrigued about Wikipedia and how it works. Such an interesting collective collaboration and while it was frustrating initially to not be able to change the entry myself, I'm ultimately glad that the rails are in place. A question about sources - how does one confirm TV and Film credits if the IMDB is not an acceptable source? (I do see it cited frequently on other wiki pages) I'm not sure what other sources are out there that are as comprehensive?
Nycwriter2 (
talk) 21:36, 31 March 2024 (UTC)