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(@ Sabbatino: so you're aware of this)
I saw this comment from you. Please be aware that you shouldn't be modifying an archive. If you wish to continue discussion, start a discussion elsewhere where you might refer to the archived discussion. An archive effectively closes a discussion to further editing. I'll undo that edit to preserve the archive as it was.
As to Sabbatino's behavior; I've reviewed their edits and talk page posts from the last month, give or take, and I've not found anything that strikes me as violating WP:CIVIL or WP:NPA. If you believe Sabbatino's violated either of those policies, please let me know and provide diffs that show where the violation(s) occurred. Thanks, -- Hammersoft ( talk) 17:58, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
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Hammersoft: Thank you for getting back so quickly. Sabbatino has been reverting and deleting my comments about a Black NHL player dealing with racial abuse. I continue to cite my work, use well published articles, and yes, make some Wikipedia editing mistakes. Rather than attempt to work with me or the content posted, they continue to just delete and not respond to any request for help. I understand none of you are paid and calling any of you "professionals" is more a term of endearment than about a job. However, their continued lack of manners and willingness to respect the issue and help find a way to make it work is disheartening and discouraging for amateur editors.
Mrohlewis (
talk) 18:04, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think that characterization holds. There is a discussion happening between the two of you at
Talk:K'Andre Miller. If there's a lack of manners, you're going to need to provide a
diff showing where that happened. A diff looks
like this. It's rather hard to act when there is no diff demonstrating the problem. Can you provide one or more diffs? --
Hammersoft (
talk) 18:12, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- @
Hammersoft:
here you go. Please let me know if that works. --
Mrohlewis (
talk) 18:16, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- (changing my
prior comment) I just noticed this diff you provided points to an edit you made, not one made by Sabbatino. Do you have a diff demonstrating a lack of manners by Sabbatino? --
Hammersoft (
talk) 18:27, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- @
Hammersoft:
Changes they made. Sorry, getting the hang of this. In the talk page for K'Andre Miller, I directly asked them to help rather than delete. Point out rather than delete. Edit rather than delete. They had one response, "bug off, I've fixed it to my liking". They made no attempt to edit and only deleted without working with the content that was posted. Again, the content that was posted if extremely relevant today in the NHL, especially considering the recent racial abuse issues in other hockey leagues around the world, not to mention Mr. Miller's own statements about the problems in the league. --
Mrohlewis (
talk) 18:41, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- @
Hammersoft: Further, the way the racial abuse was listed on the old page made it seem like it was a defining part of his playing career. That leaves the reader thinking that a Black player in the NHL is just focused on racial abuse issues. The change I made was to highlight it as a separate part of his personal life, his reflections on the incidents, and the positive ways things have changed because of it. I'm sorry if it's a purely personal opinion, but that's how we should be dealing with such issues in 2021, not just highlighting them on someone's bio as another random point in their career. --
Mrohlewis (
talk) 18:44, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- Ok the diff still shows a change you made, not one made by Sabbatino. To the race incident; it's in the article now, and well sourced. WHERE that paragraph resides is a content discussion, and should be dealt with on the talk page, as I believe is happening. If you want more eyes on it, I suggest you clarify things at
Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ice_Hockey#Edits_by_Mrohlewis. As for the "total package" comment made by the coach, I don't think it's useful in the article. It's effectively a
primary source. I'd much rather see
secondary sources to support such a statement, especially given how
non-neutral it is. --
Hammersoft (
talk) 20:12, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- @ Hammersoft: Hey, Hammersoft. Sabbatino continues to not play nicely in the sandbox with others. I've tried working this out with them on the talk page but am continually met with nothing but professional resistance as well as personal attacks on my character by claiming I've had previous bans with other accounts (beyond false). What is an amateur editor supposed to do? Mrohlewis ( talk) 17:38, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
- Ok the diff still shows a change you made, not one made by Sabbatino. To the race incident; it's in the article now, and well sourced. WHERE that paragraph resides is a content discussion, and should be dealt with on the talk page, as I believe is happening. If you want more eyes on it, I suggest you clarify things at
Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ice_Hockey#Edits_by_Mrohlewis. As for the "total package" comment made by the coach, I don't think it's useful in the article. It's effectively a
primary source. I'd much rather see
secondary sources to support such a statement, especially given how
non-neutral it is. --
Hammersoft (
talk) 20:12, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- @
Hammersoft: Further, the way the racial abuse was listed on the old page made it seem like it was a defining part of his playing career. That leaves the reader thinking that a Black player in the NHL is just focused on racial abuse issues. The change I made was to highlight it as a separate part of his personal life, his reflections on the incidents, and the positive ways things have changed because of it. I'm sorry if it's a purely personal opinion, but that's how we should be dealing with such issues in 2021, not just highlighting them on someone's bio as another random point in their career. --
Mrohlewis (
talk) 18:44, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- @
Hammersoft:
Changes they made. Sorry, getting the hang of this. In the talk page for K'Andre Miller, I directly asked them to help rather than delete. Point out rather than delete. Edit rather than delete. They had one response, "bug off, I've fixed it to my liking". They made no attempt to edit and only deleted without working with the content that was posted. Again, the content that was posted if extremely relevant today in the NHL, especially considering the recent racial abuse issues in other hockey leagues around the world, not to mention Mr. Miller's own statements about the problems in the league. --
Mrohlewis (
talk) 18:41, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- (changing my
prior comment) I just noticed this diff you provided points to an edit you made, not one made by Sabbatino. Do you have a diff demonstrating a lack of manners by Sabbatino? --
Hammersoft (
talk) 18:27, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- @
Hammersoft:
here you go. Please let me know if that works. --
Mrohlewis (
talk) 18:16, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think that characterization holds. There is a discussion happening between the two of you at
Talk:K'Andre Miller. If there's a lack of manners, you're going to need to provide a
diff showing where that happened. A diff looks
like this. It's rather hard to act when there is no diff demonstrating the problem. Can you provide one or more diffs? --
Hammersoft (
talk) 18:12, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
Please provide some diffs for me to look at where he made personal attacks against you and I will follow it up. -- Hammersoft ( talk) 19:35, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
- @ Hammersoft: It's all on the talk page for K'Andre Miller. How would I make a diff to show you? My apologies for not being able to just do that easily, this is all pretty new for me. Mrohlewis ( talk) 19:40, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
A diff looks like this: [1] It is an actual URL of a particular revision to a page. You can look at specific diffs by looking at the history of a particular page (in this case, here) and clicking on any of the multitude of "prev" links on the left side of the history list of a given page. No need to apologize; we were all new once. It's ok. -- Hammersoft ( talk) 19:55, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
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Hammersoft: Got it. Do you still want me to try and create one or are you able to see what's going on from the talk page?
Mrohlewis (
talk) 20:05, 5 October 2021 (UTC) — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Mrohlewis (
talk •
contribs)
- Don't forget to sign your posts :) It would be easiest if you were to pick out the diffs where you felt Sabbatino personally attacked you. --
Hammersoft (
talk) 20:02, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
- @ Hammersoft: Here you go: Attempt at diff Mrohlewis ( talk) 20:07, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
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[2] --
Hammersoft (
talk) 21:20, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
- @
Hammersoft: Looks like Sabbatino is accusing you of being a stalker and doesn't respect your administration skills:
Diff to see
Mrohlewis (
talk) 19:29, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
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User:Sabbatino is welcome to think whatever they want to think. Making accusations is another story, which I've
cautioned them about. I'm not stalking them, though given
my prior final warning to them I have a legitimate reason for following their edits. The only reason I got involved here was because you
pinged me to it while making an error in posting to an archive. If Sabbatino thinks there's actionable reason why I shouldn't be an administrator, they can follow
User:Hammersoft/Recall. I don't think I've acted inappropriately in the slightest bit. But, I'm open to input as always. --
Hammersoft (
talk) 19:26, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
- @ Hammersoft: It really seems as if User:Sabbatino needs to be disclpiined for being given final warnings so many times and then completely disregarding them as well as personally attacking you and your administration. Mrohlewis ( talk) 18:20, 12 October 2021 (UTC)
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User:Sabbatino is welcome to think whatever they want to think. Making accusations is another story, which I've
cautioned them about. I'm not stalking them, though given
my prior final warning to them I have a legitimate reason for following their edits. The only reason I got involved here was because you
pinged me to it while making an error in posting to an archive. If Sabbatino thinks there's actionable reason why I shouldn't be an administrator, they can follow
User:Hammersoft/Recall. I don't think I've acted inappropriately in the slightest bit. But, I'm open to input as always. --
Hammersoft (
talk) 19:26, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
- @
Hammersoft: Looks like Sabbatino is accusing you of being a stalker and doesn't respect your administration skills:
Diff to see
Mrohlewis (
talk) 19:29, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
- Don't forget to sign your posts :) It would be easiest if you were to pick out the diffs where you felt Sabbatino personally attacked you. --
Hammersoft (
talk) 20:02, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
Hello, this statement on your userpage
- "Adding capitalization to Black players who are being done a disservice by not having such capitalization as per the 2020 AP stylebook"
Could easily be construed as promising advocacy or SPA editing. GoodDay ( talk) 15:15, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Mrohlewis: Also, the AP Stylebook is not our manual of style. Neither is Chicago Manual of Style. We have our own style, outlined at Wikipedia:Manual of Style. In this particular case, MOS:PEOPLANG applies. Please do not go about changing "black" to "Black" because of a perceived inaccuracy with regards to our style. It isn't inconsistent with our style to say "black". If you disagree with the style, please take the option of discussing changes to it at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Capital letters rather than continue changing instances where you find "black". Thanks, -- Hammersoft ( talk) 00:32, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
Please do not vandalize pages. It's easy to revert, but wastes my time notifying you to stop it. -- Green C 04:45, 5 January 2024 (UTC)