Yeah, I've popped my head over at IRC a couple of times; I struggled! I couldn't give myself a voice whenever I signed in, so I was being asked constantly if I wanted any help; someone gave me a temporary voice but it had expired by the time I got back to my PC. Do you know how to set it automatically? Cheers, PeterSymonds (talk) 21:39, 18 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Ooh, thanks! I'll ask him, but tomorrow. GMT means I'm off to bed! :D Cheers, PeterSymonds (talk) 22:00, 18 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Because you deserve it! I am offline for a bit -- see you soon! Ecoleetage ( talk) 10:19, 19 May 2008 (UTC) reply

:PS Check your email - message from Eco! 205.247.175.180 ( talk) 20:12, 21 May 2008 (UTC) reply

*You're welcome! Though I thought you were going to reciprocate (as per your earlier email). Ecoleetage ( talk) 22:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC) reply

::Will you please check your email regarding this? And also, the graphics art work I wanted to steer your way? [User:Ecoleetage|Ecoleetage]] ( talk) 19:56, 24 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Still waiting Ecoleetage ( talk) 02:54, 25 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Briefly, I removed the information in question because the Race and crime article is not about race relations, but simply about the correlation between race and crime. Statistics about interracial crime give a far too narrow view of the topic as they usually comprise a very small percentage of the overall crime rate; in that specific case the statistics assert a "white vs. black" stance (which adds a POV to the article) and are less than 10% of the overall rape statistics for that year most years. (Not sure about 1982, but that was the case in the 1997 statistics that are already cited in the same section) Basically, not only is the information misleading when placed in that article, it's essentially useless information for the scope of the article as well. Hope that clears it up. -- Y|yukichigai ( _ramble argue ^check) 10:02, 20 May 2008 (UTC) reply

P.S. Also, I'd like to point out that the citation, while properly formatted, cannot be easily verified unless you happen to have Volume 88 of the American Journal of Sociology in front of you. This was not a factor in my decision to remove the information, but given the controversial nature of the topic it is perfectly plausible that someone might make up a convincing sounding citation to add on to fabricated statistics in order to introduce their own POV to the article. The general rule for Race and crime has been that any statistic or other piece of even vaguely controversial information needs to be sourced to something that is linkable; otherwise you're effectively giving every fringe nutjob an open door to adding their own racist, fabricated statistics. -- Y|yukichigai ( _ramble argue ^check) 10:09, 20 May 2008 (UTC) reply

any and all academic journals are easily found on jstor, don't pretend to be unaware of this. Nyuba ( talk) 23:21, 20 May 2008 (UTC) reply

That handles the issue of sourcing, but it still doesn't address the two bigger issues that the statistics are misleading and irrelevant to the article. -- Y|yukichigai ( _ramble argue ^check) 23:27, 20 May 2008 (UTC) reply

...and now that I've read the single page that was accessible in the link I can outright say that the statistics are wholly unsuitable for inclusion. The statistics used for the study in question were based on 443 crimes over a four year period, which is an absurdly small sampling size for rape crimes, and even assuming the limited focus was anywhere near appropriate for the scope of the article that small sample size is virtually guaranteed to come with a high margin of error. There are far better statistics already used in the article which establish a better overall picture. -- Y|yukichigai ( _ramble argue ^check) 23:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Just noticed the R&C article vandalism. I've seen this behavior on this article before using what I think is the same source. I believe this editor is an indef. blocked editor. I'm going through the history now - just fyi. -- Ave Caesar ( talk) 00:08, 21 May 2008 (UTC) reply

I looked into it and couldn't find it. Eh, perhaps I was mistaken or it could have been on a different article involving race. I'm not sure. -- Ave Caesar ( talk) 05:38, 22 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Hi Master of Puppets. Glad to hear from you. Basically the arguments are being stated at the bottom of the John Howard talk page. There is a problem when adding new content to the John Howard article. There exists are small group of editors who revert it as soon as it's added. Sounds like something out of a Dr Seuss book. Usually, reverts occur seconds after content is added. Reverting to quickly delete content should only be used in cases where there is vandalism, or if someone has inserted libellous content. None of these apply in this case. Referenced material that has been covered by hundreds of major news outlets should be treated differently to that. Added to this, there is a sizable number of editors who have stated that they are in favour of retaining the content, so to use the quick delete method is really not appropriate. Will talk more. Regards Lester 05:55, 23 May 2008 (UTC) reply

The reverting starts happening when content is added that may be perceived as putting Prime Minister John Howard in a poor light. It happens when anyone adds content that is perceived as negative to John Howard. Regardless of how many references from major media outlets or major publishers are provided. Lester 06:02, 23 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Lester perhaps sees the collaborative approach in a different light because it is his edits which are being reverted, and these edits are uniformly consistent in their political approach. It is not a matter of removing criticism of John Howard. Legitimate criticism is expected if an article is to have balance and credibility, and many of John Howard's actions richly deserve criticism. The article has much recently-added criticism which I have not "reverted within seconds". However, I will not stand by and watch a good article nibbled away at, slanted a phrase or sentence at a time, to the point where it is not useful information so much as polemic. If Lester had his way, the John Howard article would be one long thundering tirade of hatred. Sweetly phrased, of course, and all duly sourced and wikiformatted.

Lester apparently regards edit-warring as something other people do, and I am disappointed that when he was backed into a corner on the RfC, with no consensus for inclusion and no strong support for his actions, he chose to take his crusade back to the article. I reverted him once, with a comment about process, and have since then left the article alone. I suspect that the catalyst for Lester's resumption was this edit of mine, in which I removed a comment that was inappropriate for the lead. Presumably this came up on Lester's watchlist, and sparked a desire to scratch that Skyring itch.

I'm happy to go along with consensus, but it is quite clear that this has eluded us so far. -- Pete ( talk) 01:08, 24 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Then vote here :) Timeshift ( talk) 05:04, 24 May 2008 (UTC) reply

I think the flag image still looks good at 100x100px. Perhaps it has to do with my good eyesight? :-D While occasional exceptions may be allowed for the images with extreme ratio, the flag is not really that wide, I think. How about some compromise... 110px? -- BorgQueen ( talk) 17:32, 24 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Done. -- BorgQueen ( talk) 17:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC) reply

I am still waiting for you to keep your promise, as per our e-mail conversation. I thought that this matter would be settled "in a few minutes, at most" (as per your last e-mail). This is now the FOURTH DAY that I am chasing after you on this. Please keep your word! Ecoleetage ( talk) 09:43, 25 May 2008 (UTC) reply

I hate to keep bringing this up. However, I had a terrible past week and I was genuinely touched by your original offer. The fact you haven't followed through, though, has only added to the unpleasantness of this past week for me. Ecoleetage ( talk) 16:21, 25 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Still waiting (we're going on the FIFTH DAY!!!) Ecoleetage ( talk) 02:34, 26 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Eco... please do not use caps and bold (it implies that you are shouting, which is not civil). And maybe MoP is busy in real life. Adopters aren't available 24/7. And Diligent Terrier isn't neglecting you... he too is busy. Basketball110 ^{My story}/ _{Tell me yours} 02:49, 26 May 2008 (UTC) reply

• BB110: For the second time, please do not insert yourself into my messages to MoP. If I wanted to communicate with you, I would contact you directly. And, also, please don't "spy" on me -- my business with Diligent Terrier does not concern you.
• MoP: Please do not talk about me behind my back (your "Re: Eco" section on BB110's Talk Page). That is not mature and it holds me up to ridicule (which I find astonishing, considering the recent offline opportunities I steered your way!). Also, MoP, it may be a good idea to just delete this whole section -- the matter is already solved. Ecoleetage ( talk) 19:03, 26 May 2008 (UTC) reply
  • "Behind your back" would be through email or somewhere off of Wikipedia. The fact that they're doing it out in the open, on Wikipedia, where anyone can see it, means they're not trying to "behind your back". Nothing in the message on Basketball110's page that Master of Puppets sent is remotely close to being talking about you behind your back. All it is is a thank you: "Thanks for stepping in, I appreciate having you at my back." Where does it insinuate that they're talking bad about you and hoping you'd never find out? Metros ( talk) 19:07, 26 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Again, I would appreciate if some people could please mind their own business. I am not in the habit of inserting myself into conversations where I am not being addressed, and I think it is a good habit for others to pick up. Thank you. Ecoleetage ( talk) 20:02, 26 May 2008 (UTC) reply

PS Oh, earlier, I deleted my previous messages because the matter that began all of this was resolved, and I honestly thought I could just remove what I wrote since I wanted to retract the text as irrelevant. I was told I couldn't, so I struck it out instead. My bad. Ecoleetage ( talk) 20:31, 26 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Hello there. We are having trouble again with sockpuppets of Jeffreyneave. For example, see this. He has no intention of abiding by Wikipedia rules and is bent on making life miserable for editors who do. Can you do something? This is the record of your previous involvement. Thanks! Tennis expert ( talk) 01:20, 26 May 2008 (UTC) reply

If you believed a block of Jeffreyneave and his sockpuppets were necessary to protect Wikipedia (which is my belief), then here is my recommendation. (1) Semiprotect World number one male tennis player rankings so that anonymous IP accounts cannot edit the article. This is practically the only article Jeffreyneave likes to edit. (2) Block Jeffreyneave's main account (he used it yesterday to make disruptive edits). (3) Because his anonymous IP accounts now appear to be static, block 78.86.157.90 and 212.85.28.67 (not ranges). (4) Contact his Internet providers if the preceding doesn't work. Just suggestions.... Thanks again for your help (past and future)! Tennis expert ( talk) 18:57, 26 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Thank you for blocking User:Shitzookid for username and vandalism. Jet (talk) 05:15, 26 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Hi. I just wanted to know if I was still your adoptee. I have no clue if you even remember me.

From the ultimate dude,

                              
Wikidude57 
Pika! 17:31, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
reply

I'm sorry if I didn't "handle" the situation correctly. Maxwells are still present, but no hammers. Real life is now much better than wikilife. Thanks for asking . Basketball110 ^{My story}/ _{Tell me yours} 19:01, 26 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Sorry I forgot, but about the e-mail: I don't have email enabled because I don't have email. Basketball110 ^{My story}/ _{Tell me yours} 00:47, 27 May 2008 (UTC) reply

I wanted to share some good news: I received my first WP:GA recognition, for my work in expanding and promoting the article Pontius Pilate's wife. Really, it is the only nice thing to happen to me on WP in the past week. People have been on my case, for one thing or another, and I was seriously thinking of quitting (the ultimate WikiBreak). But the WP:GA award tells me I must be doing something okay -- at least by someone's standards. (I guess the one wish I have here is for someone to come out of the blue and say "Eco, you've done well." Eh, won't happen.) Thanks. Ecoleetage ( talk) 20:05, 26 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Hello. A request for mediation has been lodged for the John Howard article, concerning whether information about an incident between John Howard and Barack Obama should be included or deleted from the article. The link for the RfM is Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/John_Howard. The issue is still being discussed on the article talk page. Please go to the RfM page and list whether you agree or disagree to be involved in mediation of this issue. Thank you, Lester 01:46, 27 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Hey Master of Puppets, since you're an adopter of Ecoleetage, I was wondering if you could look at this note I left at his talk page. He replied to it less than positively here and deleted the note I left as nonsense. Do you find anything wrong in what I said? It essentially does appear to be begging people for barnstars and recognition, which reflects poorly on him. Was I out of line, or do you think I was okay in what I said? Or is it just a case of an overly-sensitive user? Thanks, Metros ( talk) 02:35, 27 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Oh, while you are reading, please look at this: [1] - my response to Metros. MoP, I am genuinely sorry for this intrusion. Ecoleetage ( talk) 02:52, 27 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Thank you so much for the vote of confidence.

I have to contradict a certain editor who has been turning up on this page by stating that I am not begging for barnstars or any recognition. As I have said several times, I have been frustrated lately over what I am perceiving as abusive and patronizing commentary from people I am trying to work with. Maybe it is just too much muck piling up all at once, or maybe it is a combo of online and offline muck (offline hasn't been a day at the beach for me, either). In any event, I didn't get the impression that my work was appreciated -- perhaps I vented my frustration in a rambling manner (and please remember that English is not my primary language, so often it sort of comes out screwy).

I greatly appreciate your support and friendship. Be well. Ecoleetage ( talk) 03:38, 27 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Thanks, again, for the kind support. I am genuinely sorry this thing spiraled in such a wacky direction. If it is any consolation, you can earn a prize for the noisest corner in WP! Ecoleetage ( talk) 03:46, 27 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Okay, the interconnected notion of people jumping into other people's conversations is something I am not used to. As you may gather, I've done very little in the way of online community conversation. I guess I need to adapt or fry. Be well. Ecoleetage ( talk) 03:56, 27 May 2008 (UTC) reply

PS And, also, sorry for the quality and quantity of the emails I recently sent. As you can gather, offline life also hasn't been fun for me. Feel free to delete them. Ecoleetage ( talk) 04:02, 27 May 2008 (UTC) reply

PPS Well I learned something today. Actually, I learned two things -- I also learned I cannot broil lamb (I set off my kitchen's smoke detector and incinerated a fairly pricey cut of meat). Just one of those days, I guess. Ecoleetage ( talk) 04:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Portuguese is my native language. Ecoleetage ( talk) 04:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Just notifying you that an article you created was nominated for deletion. Sincerely, -- Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles ^Tally-ho! 07:29, 27 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Block the IP that was vandalizing your userpage. :) Enigma ^message 21:01, 27 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Two things. Number one, the reason I thought I wasn't your adoptee was because there was no user box that said This user has adopted Wikidude57 Pika! (no sig) . Two, I made edit #250 yesterday! Wikidude57 Pika! 21:56, 27 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Here.

I went quiet because I simply got hooked on sports. Wikidude57 Pika! 22:35, 27 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Was that you on IRC? I just left a message for User:MasterOfPuppets. Are you both the same person, and the one that was on IRC a bit ago? KGBarnett ( talk) 03:59, 28 May 2008 (UTC) reply

I can't express how much you have meant to me. I get choked up and start crying when I think about this, and you. Thank you, and I'll think through your words. Basketball110 ^{My story}/ _{Tell me yours} 22:09, 29 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Hi, thanks for the offer of help. But I can't seem to narrow it down to what it is I need help with -- like everything, maybe? I think IRC is much more difficult to learn, for me anyway, than Wikipedia. I can copy things I see from the edit windows, etc. But, I see all these "templates", which I've found some, such as ^{citation needed} and ^who?, but do not know if there is a place where all the templates are located. I know there are many, I just don't know where to look. Also the larger templates, banners? for whole sections, etc. Is there a cheat sheet somewhere for these types of things? Oh, I've been to WP:V and WP:RS and found some there, but I don't see some of the templates I've seen on some other articles. I can't show you an example now, because I don't remember were I saw the particular banner template. Thanks again. -- KGBarnett ( talk) 03:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Thanks for that link. It helps. If and/or when you find more I would appreciate it. Oh, and what do you think of this person. I'm having difficulty appearing civil here.-- KGBarnett ( talk) 05:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC) reply

I loled at your comment on the talk page -"Easy guys, easy...". Not in a "neener" kind of way though. Thanks for that, and your advice on my talk. :) -- KGBarnett ( talk) 05:41, 29 May 2008 (UTC) reply

But extremely hilarious. <3 Tinkleheimer TALK!! 06:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC) reply

I could just imagine Jimbo reading Wikipedia with a monacle, then he goes to the talk page, the monacle comes off, and he says..."Well I never...". PS. He also has a black moustache. :) <3 Tinkleheimer TALK!! 06:04, 29 May 2008 (UTC) reply

PsS Haha good comedy sir. You've done me in! <3 Tinkleheimer TALK!! 06:06, 29 May 2008 (UTC) reply

PSS LMAO AT YOUR SUPPORT! <3 Tinkleheimer TALK!! 06:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Lucky me. Academic Suspension FTW! <3 Tinkleheimer TALK!! 06:09, 29 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Back atcha. Be sure to take plenty of pics of it! <3 Tinkleheimer TALK!! 06:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC) reply

You deleted this article. I had many sources available and references including an article in the Toronto Star. It is significant because it is a camp which was around for more than 50 years. as far as summer camps go that is significant. camps pop up all the time but few last for very long let alone for over 50 years. I also have two more articles from the Toronto Star talking about the camp but I had not added them yet. There is more significance listed here than there is for 70% of the camps listed on Wikipedia. I didn't just create a stub that says it was a camp located in an area without any other information about it. Significance is also evident in the fact that my sources are the Trent University Archives which saw fit to keep information about it, and the Burk's Falls and District Historical Society which displays camp materials in their museum as the camp has made a great impact on the community. Significance should be implied when a museum puts items from it on display. I was told after the first deletion that what I needed was a couple of sources and the article could go back up. Can you please undelete this article now? Also why was this just deleted without me getting some kind of warning that it was going to be deleted so I could defend it or add information? Magnetawan ( talk) 08:48, 29 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Further what makes any summer camp significant? This article had just been posted for the second time after I fixed all the complaints I had after the first time it was deleted. Summer camps are important as with this one as they are places where the children of today are shaped and molded into the great people they become tomorrow. summer camps area major part of the lives of many children and this camp was an important place to many many people from around the world. children came from Canada, US, Mexico, Spain, Hungary and other countries just to attend. the article was still a continues work in progress and i think you were to quick to delete the article. as i stated before museum and university archives have all seen fit to record and maintain a history of this camp becuase it is important, significant, and notable. The camp was founded in the 1940's and operated for more than half a century with thousands of children attending, and returning year after year. The camp didn't even need to advertise, it maintained and continued to operate just by word of mouth, and generatoins of families sending their children and grandchildren because it was that good. the only reason it closed down which i also intended to write about was because the health of the old man who founded the camp was failing and he couldn't continue running it and couldn't let it go to pass it on to someone else. This article didn't fit the criteria for speedy deletion. I reposted the article because I felt it passed all the criteria for speedy deletion this time around and therefore could continue to improve it online with time and allow others to contribute as well. Magnetawan ( talk) 12:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC) reply

2-year gap? I hadn't seen that. Sorry. My usual approach is to report them only if they're repeat offenders. I usually let them "get away with it" if it's a one-shot thing. If I'm turning in too many of these guys, let me know - but this is the way I was told to do it, in general. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 02:44, 30 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Actually, he had several vandalistic edits from the 16th [2] which is what I was focused on. I know they could be different guys. In my experience, some of this nonsense should taper off once the semesters are over, which should be soon, I hope. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 03:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Well, if I turn one in that I shouldn't, the worst that can happen is that you'll take no action, right? And if he strikes again real soon, then down he goes. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 03:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC) reply

for it is not!!!!!!!! or delete Metallica —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tvangeste ( talk • contribs) 03:44, 30 May 2008 (UTC) reply

send me a message, please! talk to me! I want you to sex me up strong man talk about it with me. TITTY! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Punky8 ( talk • contribs) 10:06, 31 May 2008 (UTC) reply

RE;Block - there are no edits after final warning and no edits in about 30 minutes. Not sure why you blocked this one instead if declining. Jeepday ( talk) 01:13, 1 June 2008 (UTC) reply

• Thanks :) Jeepday ( talk) 01:16, 1 June 2008 (UTC) reply

Yo, Mop.  :) THe above-named user is a sock of User:KrysC Bang, whom you just blocked for the self-promotional username. Thought this sock deserved likewise. Thanks. -- PMDrive1061 ( talk) 04:48, 2 June 2008 (UTC) reply

You bet. Glad to help. I had reported the first account at ANI, but the sock prompted me to file an AIV report. Thanks again for your good work. -- PMDrive1061 ( talk) 05:53, 2 June 2008 (UTC) reply

Just a heads up, he's not retiring any more. He's just on a long wikibreak. He talked to me earlier.-- RyRy5 ( talk) 04:56, 2 June 2008 (UTC) reply

Hehe, he's going to Europe soon and he may not have any internet connenction until August. I don't know the exact date he's leaving, though. Also, do you mind checking my report at WP:AIV. It's been there for about 7 minutes now. -- RyRy5 ( talk) 05:05, 2 June 2008 (UTC) reply

Thanks, MoP. And there's a chance he'll be back again soon. Don't worry so much, unless he never returns. Okay, let's hope that doesn't happen.-- RyRy5 ( talk) 05:11, 2 June 2008 (UTC) reply

RyRy is correct; I am going overseas, but I will have internet. I may not use it however. Basketball110 ^{My story}/ _{Tell me yours} 23:40, 2 June 2008 (UTC) reply

Heads up: I got three Did You Know? notices over a four-day period (May 30-June 2). I was a bit happy and wanted to share the news. :-) Ecoleetage ( talk) 12:20, 2 June 2008 (UTC) reply

Oh, I don't know about "doing well" -- there have been plenty of bumps in my road. But I am trying to make a positive contribution here. Thanks, again, for your input. Ecoleetage ( talk) 13:47, 2 June 2008 (UTC) reply

This is sick - I just got a new DYK. My second today and fourth in four days! Ecoleetage ( talk) 17:21, 2 June 2008 (UTC) reply

Hi. I went to edit something today, only to find this message:

"You are currently unable to edit pages on Wikipedia.

You can still read pages, but cannot edit, change, or create them.

Editing from (your account, IP address, or IP address range) has been disabled by Master of Puppets for the following reason(s):

Autoblocked because your IP address was recently used by "Roscoep007". The reason given for Roscoep007's block is: "Vandalism-only account".

This block has been set to expire: 06:14, 2 June 2008."

Obviously I am not Roscoep007, rather an editor with around 9,500 edits, who has contributed to FAs, GAs and DYKs, received a number of Barnstars for my work on Australian related articles and never been blocked. It seems that I share an IP address with someone who you blocked and thus found myself blocked as well (I have had to go to a public internet place to post this). I was thinking "wouldn't it be really cool if this Master of Puppets unblocked me, didn't block me again purely because of some other user sharing an IP address, and let me return to working on the articles I was quietly working away on?"

Cheers, -- Roisterer ( talk) 12:42, 2 June 2008 (UTC) reply

FYI, I am still blocked. -- Roisterer ( talk) 09:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC) reply

Hi, sorry for not getting back to you earlier. I'm currently away from home so I can't check the IP address. Thanks for following this up though. Cheers -- Roisterer ( talk) 00:04, 6 June 2008 (UTC) reply

Finally, got around to this. The IP is 143.188.101.65 Cheers -- Roisterer ( talk) 06:16, 11 June 2008 (UTC) reply

I noticed you are listed to help people in designing their user pages.

Well, I need help with a similar type of thing - graphics editing.

I've got to have all the awards done by July 15th, and I don't even have the first one finished yet.

I'm looking for someone who knows how (or is interested in jumping in and learning how) to work on images in xcf format using GIMP, or Inkscape, etc. (Because I and others will need to be able to edit each image's layers after you are done with it).

If this sounds like something you are interested in helping with, please drop me a note.

By the way, both GIMP and Inkscape are free, making it easy to get started from scratch.

I look forward to your reply.

The Transhumanist    12:43, 2 June 2008 (UTC) reply

Sure, I'd love to help! Got to run to school now, so I'll give a more in-depth reply later. Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :)} 12:52, 2 June 2008 (UTC) reply

I'm back. Okay, so, I have some experience in graphics editing; I use Photoshop CS2, so I'm accustomed to layered editing. I'd be happy to help out. I guess I'll sign up for the newsletter now... Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :)} 23:43, 2 June 2008 (UTC) reply

First of all, a layer-supporting file format that we both have will need to be used for the working file. I or others may need to work on various layers, and not all of us have PS. (I don't - I've been using GIMP, and will be trying Inkscape soon).

Does PS support the xcf format?

The Transhumanist    23:58, 2 June 2008 (UTC) reply

No, it doesn't, unfortunately. Can GIMP open PSD format? Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :)} 00:25, 3 June 2008 (UTC) reply

According to the documentation, GIMP supports PSD format. So I guess that means we're up and running! The Transhumanist    00:45, 3 June 2008 (UTC) reply

New question: how do you handle someone like this? [3]? This guy isn't giving up, but he also isn't getting his way. What is the best way to approach this editor? Thanks! Ecoleetage ( talk) 20:13, 2 June 2008 (UTC) reply

Since I posted this, of course, someone chimed in on that page with a Level 1 warning, which makes sense. But then I would ask: what happens if this editor persists in reintroducing material that is repeatedly deleted. Where do you go from there? Thanks! Ecoleetage ( talk) 20:41, 2 June 2008 (UTC) reply

That leads me to another question: where do I read up on Levels 1-4 Warnings? Also, in regard to emphasizing positives rather than negatives, is there any way you can provide input on the case of this guy: [4]? I've discovered his situation and it appears he's gotten a raw deal -- actually, from someone who recently visited this page. I am interested in working with him to get him focused (which is a screwy idea, given I am in need of direction myself). However, I need to get him out of WP exile (he's in a one month spell -- ideally, I would like to see a sympathetic admin intervene and reduce his sentence to two weeks, if not completely forgive him his trespasses). Can you provide any assistance there? Thanks! Ecoleetage ( talk) 00:10, 3 June 2008 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the lead on WP:Warn -- I will read up on that. With the other matter, it appears that too many people insist that they want him to change his ways, but they are doing nothing help him. I've communicated with him both online and offline and I found him to be very, very intelligent -- I don't condone his previous clowning, but I am also not fixated on his mistakes. In other cases, I've seen admins reduce and erase existing blocks -- is that normally frowned upon, or is that something you would be willing to do in this case, just to get the rehab process moving instead of waiting another three weeks? (I am talking about his current one month block, not the topic ban -- that's another matter.) Thanks again! Ecoleetage ( talk) 00:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC) reply

P.S. If you actually review his record carefully, there appears to be some very questionable rulings against this editor -- including a two-week block for his correcting a typo. Plus, a single admin appears to have made it his mission to target this editor (the lack of "community" input here isn't difficult to identify). I'm not lobbying you to provide aid to this editor -- no other admin is willing to do so. However, an objective outsider could possibly detect more than a bit of malice in the handling of this case. An objective outsider can wonder if the editor in question is actually getting a fair deal -- especially when you consider that someone we know literally got away with sockpuppetry and vandalism, despite the awareness by several admins to these actions (I guess it's not what you know, but who you know). Okay, thanks (again) for listening. Ecoleetage ( talk) 01:57, 3 June 2008 (UTC) reply

Surely there must have been a mistake here... This group is off-the-charts notable. Chubbles ( talk) 21:27, 2 June 2008 (UTC) reply

Well, we can start with the seven charting albums in the US... This is one that really isn't and shouldn't be controversial, and it troubles me to think that, years down the line, groups as important as this one will be removed from the site so easily. Chubbles ( talk) 15:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC) reply

OK, thanks. Can we get the talk page back, too? Chubbles ( talk) 15:34, 4 June 2008 (UTC) reply

This will be part of one of the awards:

but it needs "To the World" replaced with the font used for "To the World" in this version:

Can you do that?

Where should I send the PSD file? (email me your email address, and I'll be happy to send it to you)

The Transhumanist    02:14, 3 June 2008 (UTC) reply

The GIMP doesn't have that font. Here's the closest I could find:

The Transhumanist    10:10, 3 June 2008 (UTC) reply

The image that the above passport was going to be added to was deleted.  :(

I learned it used part of a copyrighted image, and had it speedied.

Therefore, I need new ideas for an image for a "Wikipedia World Traveler" award.

The image was a globe stand with a globe in it. The globe stand was from a copyrighted image.

We could either look for public domain globe stands pics, or come up with a new idea.

Put your thinking cap on.

I look forward to your thoughts and ideas.

The Transhumanist    23:49, 3 June 2008 (UTC) reply

Hey MoP! Do you think you could create a banner for WP:PW? Comment me back if you can, so I can give you some insight on what it might look like. Thanks in advance! iMatthew _{T. C.} 10:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC) reply

Thanks!, If you could take the exact (or something close) to the red and gray on the WP:PW page, that'd be great. I guess red text with a gray background. iMatthew _{T. C.} 10:08, 5 June 2008 (UTC) reply

Hey, I finally used Rollback for the first time -- knocking out a vandal. Thanks again for giving Rollback to me. Ecoleetage ( talk) 23:37, 5 June 2008 (UTC) reply

Thank you for your message. I hope that your intervention will help User:Thoughtman and me resolve our differences over this and two other biographies.

By the way, I wasn't aware that Twinkle's use wasn't permitted in content disputes. Now that I know, I will never do so again. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz ( talk · contribs) 02:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC) reply

User:Thoughtman doesn't think the three people in question satisfy the criteria for the category and I do. That's the issue. — Malik Shabazz ( talk · contribs) 03:45, 6 June 2008 (UTC) reply

Hey, Mr MoP, I have decided to quit Wikipedia. I am finding that the more involved I become here, the less I enjoy it. I may change my mind and return, but now I believe it is best for me to be offline. Take care of yourself and good luck in your future endeavors. Eco

Scratch that -- I thought I was going to retire, but I figured I would give WP another go. Thanks for being my pal and supporting me. Ecoleetage ( talk) 15:36, 6 June 2008 (UTC) reply

Per you email - eh, I got frustrated here, sort of an accumulation of a lot of muck. But when I said I was leaving, a lot of good people asked me to come back. So...I am back. Plus, I got two simultaneous DYK notices this weekend! Ecoleetage ( talk) 20:18, 8 June 2008 (UTC) reply

http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Arthur_Waskow&curid=1282755&diff=219115779&oldid=217209376 Bstone ( talk) 17:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC) reply

And http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Arthur_Waskow&curid=1282755&diff=219121300&oldid=219115779 I say block em both for 2 days. Bstone ( talk) 18:07, 13 June 2008 (UTC) reply

Hi, I'm thinking my own user page is a bit boring and I'm looking for ideas. Mind if I nick some from yours? -- role ^player 18:08, 15 June 2008 (UTC) reply

Well I've had a bash at User:Roleplayer/Sandbox. Feel free to tell me it's copyrighted or something, I'll remove it. -- role ^player 22:14, 15 June 2008 (UTC) reply

Hey, thanks! -- role ^player 21:44, 3 July 2008 (UTC) reply

hi i have recently read that you are accepting adoptees i am currently looking for someone who can help me handle different forms of vandilism with huggle or other alternative tools dealing with vandilsm. (recently got two warnings for accidently restoring vandilsm while i thought someone just removed a paragraph as a joke) Alexnia ( talk) 12:44, 20 June 2008 (UTC) reply

Hi can you help me with protecting my userpage from vandalism? -- Math Champion ( talk) 00:13, 21 June 2008 (UTC) reply

== I've got some bad news to break... ==

Dear Master of Puppets,

Thanks so much for your help on WP. You've helped transform this bungling newbie into a full-fledged Huggle-loving editor (and helped me acknowledge that forgetfulness wasn't only isolated to this kiddo).

However, I have decided to leave Wikipedia for good. Real life (a.k.a., studies, music, etc.) has taken over, and so Wikipedia is one of the things I am forced to leave behind.

I'll check in every once in a while, but peer reviews, copyediting, and other heavy work must end. Thanks again for being a fellow Wikipedian!

Sincerely,

^La Pianista! 17:44, 21 June 2008 (UTC) reply

Disregard that. How wishy-washy I must look! (*-_-*)

I've come back, thankfully. Touched by a good friend's message, I decided that it was best to "semi-retire" and come back. Sorry if I scared you a bit there, MoP! ^La Pianista! 00:03, 23 June 2008 (UTC) reply

Hi! I just want to tell you i will be quieter than usual because my own computer is slow. Also, I am 12 edits away from 300!

Cheers, Wikidude57 Go Red Sox! 17:59, 21 June 2008 (UTC) reply

O.K., I AM still your adoptee, right? So here are my questions: 1. Why haven't I gotten a Barnstar yet and 2. Can I have help making my userpage cool? I am now only 11 edits away from 300

Wikidude57 Go Red Sox! 18:08, 21 June 2008 (UTC) reply

Are you an administrator? If not, do you want me to nominate you? 8 edits away from 300 now!!! Wikidude57 Go Red Sox! 18:24, 21 June 2008 (UTC) reply

Can non-admins like myself create policies? I'm trying to create an anti-DoS policy as described here. Thanks. G2.0 USA ^{contributions} 21:52, 21 June 2008 (UTC) reply

I'm sort of new at the process of article deletion inquiry. I am calling to attention the article for Canadian Grindcore band Fuck the Facts, which you deleted on June 2nd (Please refer to this search of the deletion logs. I noticed that it was under the category of A7. I would like to see a copy of the deleted article so that I may work on and re-submit the article. I reviewed the notability guidelines for a musical group and can confirm that this group meets the requirements for criteria one [5] [6] [7] [8](French) [9] and 5 [10], thus meeting the criteria. So, I would like to make the article my "baby" and update it to standards. Thank you for the consideration. -- Zblewski ( talk) 14:33, 23 June 2008 (UTC) reply

Hop you did have a great birthday!! America69 ( talk) 14:44, 3 July 2008 (UTC) reply

Sorry to contradict you, but I feel you were off-base in a recent AfD closure: [11]. Ecoleetage ( talk) 13:23, 2 July 2008 (UTC) reply

Thanks. Your statement on the notability significance of faith-based media, such as Catholic News Service, is not supported by WP:RS policy. Ecoleetage ( talk) 12:27, 3 July 2008 (UTC) reply

Ah, we have to agree to disagree. If you ask: "Does that mean that everything CNS covers is notable? No, of course not." Well, what's to say that everything covered by the Globe & Mail or the New York Times is notable? All news is not inherently notable (especially if it involves Angelina Jolie). The question is whether the source is reliable and recognized. As an international news service that's been around since 1920, I think Catholic News Service's reputation is fairly solid. Thanks. Ecoleetage ( talk) 15:46, 3 July 2008 (UTC) reply

P.S. Oh, I really don't take any of this too serious. In the ultimate scheme of things, it doesn't matter.

P.P.S. Jesus Trail survived the AfD as a "Keep"! It is funny, because this is the second time I've helped restore an article that you deleted (you also got rid of Big Doe Camp a while back). I hope you enjoy your holiday -- I am heading off for a few days' adventure later this week. Ecoleetage ( talk) 19:11, 6 July 2008 (UTC) reply

Oh, man! I can't believe I did that! And for almost two months I have been signing my posts with that blunder... -- ^La Pianista! _Sign! 18:38, 3 July 2008 (UTC) reply

I don't know if you noticed but I changed the spelling slightly on your templates as I copied them across - I changed your pesky American spelling of "color" to the correct British spelling of "colour". Just thought I'd let you know. -- role ^player 10:08, 4 July 2008 (UTC) reply

I have two links at the top of my page. Could you make it like your navigation thing on your page? Wikidude57 I am Stinky Stanley! 23:38, 4 July 2008 (UTC) reply

I was looking through you long list of icons and I was wondering how you created them. I assume you used Photoshop CS2 but I have no idea how to create such stunning icons. Hope you can help!

 10014derek   Ӂ  13:15, 8 July 2008 (UTC) reply

Do you think I deserve a Barnstar like a Great adoptee. Also what's your opinion of my editing skills??? Wikidude57 I am Stinky Stanley! 15:01, 8 July 2008 (UTC) reply

would you like to adopt and help me on wikipedia? Chipthief00 ( talk) 19:07, 19 July 2008 (UTC) reply

Your holiday ended over two weeks ago. No excuses! Enigma ^message 20:08, 5 August 2008 (UTC) reply

It would appear the real world holds more charms than this unreasonable facsimile. :) Ecoleetage ( talk) 00:57, 12 August 2008 (UTC) reply

He HAS been gon for a while... Maybe he died. :D Just kidding. Wikidude 57 ^S _B C 20:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC) reply

Anything's possible, but I do hope he hasn't died. It isn't unheard of to have someone take an extra few weeks or longer to return to Wikipedia. There's an essay around here somewhere about this sort of thing, I think. Anyhoo, MoP, hope you're happy, safe, and well, and hope to have you back soon. WODUP 07:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC) reply

Hey, MoP

I made that change to "Cell" because while the 'hive-mentality' was indeed a crucial plot point, I felt it was a bit of a spoiler in that particular section of the article. My feeling is if it's not on the back of the book then is shouldn't be on the description section of the book's wiki-article. Plot details like that, IMO, should be reserved for the PLOT DESCRIPTION sections. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shadowtron ( talk • contribs) 12:18, 14 August 2008 (UTC) reply

December 2007. Wowie. Maybe I should leave a note at the top of this talk that MoP has pulled a few strings and vanished into thin air. Enigma ^message 17:18, 20 August 2008 (UTC) reply

Master, I should have said nothing. There was a complain on AN about a very POV pusher, Tvoz. I should have said nothing. Now, Tvoz is going to pick on me and try to ban me because I just added a comment. You remember that you unblcoked me. However, the bad taste for being wrongly banned resulted in me not editing. You may remember that the checkuser cleared me but I still was banned for several months. Please do not let Tvoz ban me again (Tvoz gets admin friends to do the dirty work). Oprahwasontv ( talk) 01:51, 25 August 2008 (UTC) reply

User:Master of Pies :) Oprahwasontv ( talk) 02:24, 25 August 2008 (UTC) reply

Um, MoP, why did you unblock a sockpuppet of Dereks1X [12]? Considering he socked his way to admin account Archtransit and has been banned by the community on several occasions, in several incarnations, I am rather disappointed with the boldness of your actions. I see that the RFCU came back as unlikely, but I would have hoped you contacted the blocking admin or a checkuser before deciding to unblock. MBisanz ^talk 18:50, 25 August 2008 (UTC) reply

The RFCU proves that I am not a sock. Master of Puppets' wisdom is shown as I have been constructive (pissed off at Wikipedia, mainly). Blocks are suppose to prevent damage to Wikipedia so if no damage occurs, the people who then advocate blocking do it for blood and punishment. The people who accused me used the logic of "anyone who I disagree with can be banned by being called a sock".

Master of Puppets, I will continue to show that you are a smart person by showing I edit Wikipedia well. You need to stick to your guns and don't let Bobblehead and Tvoz scheme to block everyone they hate. They are scheming now per their talk pages. Please don't let them control Wikipedia and use it as a political campaign tool. You can do this by protecting me as long as I edit responsibly.

Their use of the term "MO" is just an excuse to block others. Since they both use the term, using their logic, they are displaying behavioral evidence of sockpuppetry. Oprahwasontv ( talk) 00:35, 26 August 2008 (UTC) reply

As a heads-up, I have reblocked Oprahwasontv ( talk · contribs). He's a quite clear match behaviorally for Dereks1x, and even putting that aside he's editing combatively and disruptively in a "hot zone". Please let me know of any concerns with the reblock, but as you can see a couple of admins have had recent concerns with the behavior and sockiness of this account. MastCell  ^Talk 19:59, 27 August 2008 (UTC) reply

Hey, I came across your page and realized we had a lot in common and just wanted to stop by and say hi. I am also a teenager who loves Wikipedia, Stars Wars, and Metallica (DEATH MAGNETIC SEPTEMBER 12 WWOOOOOO), and while I wouldn't go as far to call myself a socialist, I am extremely liberal and have a general interest in politics and philosophy. I am more of a social liberal than anything else, but I do believe in strong economic regulations in certain areas. I suppose our differences stop there, as you live in Canada and I unfortunately live in the heart of the bible belt, albeit in a relatively progressive world city, Atlanta, Georgia. But I hate censorship and love Master of Puppets as well. :) -- Hippie Metalhead ( talk) 22:37, 31 August 2008 (UTC) reply

See you have been on again, off again like me. Summertime is busy. But I'm trying not to let my breaks last a year again. I was wondering, next time you're around, if you could do a favor for me. Or direct me to someone who could. Subject: my userpage. I know you used to help people spiff up their pages. Not sure if you still do that anymore? I expect Admin tasks keep you busy enough when you are online. I wouldn't mind someone adding some neatness to my plain-jane page. I like the content of it. But I know it could use someone with more Wiki-art skills than I have. Because I have nil. I certainly understand if you don't have time. And if that be the case perhaps you could recommend an editor to help me. Hope you had a good summer MoP. Cheers and take care! Anger22 ( Talk 2 22) 00:26, 4 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Just checking in! Hi! Wikidude 57 ^S _B C 16:30, 6 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Am I a good editor? When is graduation?
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I changed my mid about Grad. My summer was great!!! Wikidude 57 ^S _B C 22:45, 16 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Hey, it is good to see you returning here. I hope everything is going well. Ecoleetage ( talk) 03:36, 17 September 2008 (UTC) reply

I got a couple of emails earlier this month -- one stating you were not moving in with Jessica Alba. Don't recall any after that. I have another email account that I am using with more frequency -- I will send that over to you in a sec. Ecoleetage ( talk) 03:45, 17 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Eco: go over and say Hi, tell him i sent you :-)

Hello. Shapiros10 ^{contact me} _{My work} 20:31, 19 September 2008 (UTC) reply

MoP, meet Sam. Sam, meet MoP. You guys are among the best people I've met here, so feel free to hang out and etc.

MoP -- did you get the email from my Gmail account?

Sam -- tell MoP about your band. :) Ecoleetage ( talk) 22:05, 19 September 2008 (UTC) reply

We're a punk/rock band. All teens. And no, we're not medal (even though i can do a little double kick). Shapiros10 ^{contact me} _{My work} 22:22, 19 September 2008 (UTC) reply

MoP, please resend to the new Gmail account I gave you. I am interested in seeing your work. Thanks! Ecoleetage ( talk) 00:53, 20 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Thanks! Don't forget to close the door on the way out! :-D Ecoleetage ( talk) 01:22, 20 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Separate note Back in June, you deleted an article on Grand Lodge of Virginia. I just restored it, as part of my involvement with the Freemasonry WikiProject. That goes back to what I mentioned earlier about joining the Masonic lodge in my neighbourhood. I didn't realise you had deleted until I was ready to put it back online. Small Wiki-world, eh? :) Ecoleetage ( talk) 01:28, 22 September 2008 (UTC) reply

No, I'm not the Master of Puppets, but I am the "Hero of the Day" :) - NeutralHomer • Talk 03:17, 22 September 2008 (UTC) reply

I feel like I want to be adopted so I can learn more about Wikipedia. Well, I registered last June, so I'm technically a newbie. But I have over 1500 edits here. Nevertheless, I still want to be adopted so I can learn more. Please! Narutolovehinata5 ^{t c csd new} 06:57, 22 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Well, I am planning to become an admin, so maybe admin-related stuff. Narutolovehinata5 ^{t c csd new} 09:09, 23 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Just to let you know that the Keith "Steve" Howard thing arises from the execrable abridged Yu-Gi-Oh. We had the same problem when Keith Howard was a separate page. Stifle ( talk) 10:38, 24 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Your userpage in the "Basic Statistics" section says you are 17 (witch is real according to the birthdate), but the "Wikipedia" and "Userbox" sections say your are 16 years old. Please correct your age in the "Wikipedia" and "Userbox" sections. Thank you. Mythdon ( talk) 02:15, 25 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Yes they did request deletion, see here. They just didn't put the mfd tag on. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{( Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 03:00, 25 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Bwrs ( talk) 03:50, 25 September 2008 (UTC) reply

On my subpages where i list users such as deletion users, does the text seem like it is affecting users ability to edit Wikipedia. Mythdon ( talk) 07:04, 25 September 2008 (UTC) reply

FYI, I removed the protection. The vandalism wasn't so bad as the assignment seems to be complete. -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 03:46, 26 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Hi MoP. I understand you create "ads" for specific wikiprojects. Would you mind creating one for WP:QUAKE - we kinda need a bit more publicity! Your friend Eddy O. D. Wiki ^{citation needed} 15:07, 27 September 2008 (UTC) reply

This is the official logo. You can use any free image, though. Thanks for yor interest in the matter. Your friend the editorofthewiki ( talk/ contribs/ random article/ editor review) 22:48, 27 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Nice! the editorofthewiki ( talk/ contribs/ editor review) 22:32, 29 September 2008 (UTC) reply

I notice you commented on this issue on his talk page already, so I thought I'd raise it with you rather than bother with anything formal at this stage. His tagging of the article for Muten Roshi as lacking notability has no consensus basis, and in fact defies consensus. There was an AfD listing arguments and sources for his notability, and the talk page notes in detail evidence like good hits and so on which also go to notability. The consensus is clearly in favour of his notability (albeit with the article being fixed up alot). The merge "discussion" provides neither evidence nor consensus for tagging for noteability, and he keeps reverting me when I fix the page. Can you please tell him to stop until he actually provides an argument or some consensus on this? JJJ999 ( talk) 01:19, 28 September 2008 (UTC) reply

MoP, I know you're a fair admin and will, of course, actually look at the whole issue here with JJJ999. I already provided an explanation to him regarding the tagging of Master Roshi - the concerns were brought up in the merge discussion, and the tag does not deny any consensus, only JJJ999's personal opinion). I've already asked another admin to look at his actions, including his denying consensus, false accusations of "stealth deletion" and "submarine merging" starting a deletion review on a valid merge discussion the canvassing for opinions of it, and being generally disruptive. A he has again removed the tag after his "reporting", I'll let you or the admin I reported him to decide whether to put it back and how to deal with him. Thanks. -- Collectonian ( talk · contribs) 01:23, 28 September 2008 (UTC) reply

• Look at the talk page and the merge discussion. Look at the old AfD. Where in any of that is the "consensus" or evidence to add noteability concerns? On the other hand, the overwhelming consensus on both, especially the talk page and AfD which had real participation, is that he is notable. You keep saying you've proven the contrary, but where? JJJ999 ( talk) 01:27, 28 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Also I'll take the admin who just warned you not to cause 3R ahead of the one who is your friend thanks. Here is the link to the merge discussion, seems very clear in favour of noteability. The talk page and old AfD are even more in favour, and provide evidence. This guy is lying- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_Dragon_Ball_characters#Master_Roshi plus the overwhelming number of google hits provide the common sense assumption that there is noteability. He seems to be confusing "needs sources" (which it does) which some question about noteability (which there has never been a basis for) JJJ999 ( talk) 01:29, 28 September 2008 (UTC) reply

There is no notability asserted. Google hits are not notability. Your random assertions are not notability. Notability is nothing more than clear, significant coverage by sources independent of the topic, which are not present here at all. The discussions on Talk:List of Dragon Ball characters were closed correctly and you basically are the only dissenting voice to a consensus that has already formed. And no, I will not recuse myself from the discussion when I am a neutral party and have no association with the discussion. That I have collaborated with Collectonian in the past has zero bearing on the present discussion. sephiroth bcr ^{( converse)} 01:48, 28 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Oh, to MoP, I've protected Master Roshi, the page they were edit warring on. JJJ999 has also inappropriately filed a deletion review of the merge discussions on Talk:List of Dragon Ball characters here. Aside from that, this appears to be nothing really more than a content dispute to be resolved; that said, your input is definitely welcome into the process. sephiroth bcr ^{( converse)} 01:51, 28 September 2008 (UTC) reply

If noteability was the same as "you didn't add 10 souces" then we wouldn't bother to distinguish between the 2 with tags. The sheer amount of information out there, the fact he was a very notable character in a manga and anime that sold hundreds of millions of copies, and the fact there has been some evidence for noteability and consensus to it, and none against, makes the claim that I need to first "show noteability" strange. I didn't remove the tag for sources, it needs them, I removed the one for noteability, which has support as I alluded to above, and which you now need to build consensus against, not the other way around! JJJ999 ( talk) 01:56, 28 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Notability, as Wikipedia treats is, is again, significant coverage by reliable sources independent of the topic. This coverage is commentary specifically addressing the character in reputable sources, and is not simply the fame or importance you are putting forward. And no, the onus is on you to assert that notability exists through providing this coverage via sources, not the other way around. sephiroth bcr ^{( converse)} 02:05, 28 September 2008 (UTC) reply

I'm afraid I have to agree with Sephiroth and Collectonian, JJJ999. Could you provide some links to this consensus that you spoke of? Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :)} 19:18, 28 September 2008 (UTC) reply

• • Fortunately other mods have read it already and come to point out how absurd the closures are, so I needn't trouble you further. I'll deal with it after the discussion on the Talk page. For the record, it's obvious where the consensus for noteability is, because the majority of the votes on the talk discussion are to keep, the last AfD was closed (and frankly should have been a clear keep based on the reasons and the other AfDs of the time), and the talk page has clearly always supported notability for Roshi. Hearing you suggest you can't find it is astounding to be honest. JJJ999 ( talk) 07:41, 29 September 2008 (UTC) reply

[13]Thank you for your mediation, master of puppets. I agree with your stance and would request you mediate any disputes over this article that may arise. Goingoveredge ( talk) 03:39, 29 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Your very welcome. I have seen you on my watchlist for a while now, over at WP:AN3 and WP:RFPP. Its funny, if you look at WP:RFPP, you and I have addressed like 90% of the requests :) Who says we need more admin?? =D « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 04:13, 29 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Haha, yeah earlier today there were a ton of outstanding requests, so I spent an hour and got them all done! It is funny to see all the teal (not green!! lol :) « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 04:20, 29 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Hehe, yeah its probably green, but the code says "teal" lol. Well Im off to bed, have a good night! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 04:25, 29 September 2008 (UTC) reply

So how long is 2 wheels (or weels) exactly? =D « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 05:51, 30 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Lol I chuckled when I saw that on my watchlist. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 05:57, 30 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Haha, let me know how that goes... ;) « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 18:53, 30 September 2008 (UTC) reply

You said: If you'd like to reupload this image and you are indeed the creator, please remove the watermark

First - what I am about to say is not a personal attack on you but a comment on the way this issue has been handled.

I will stress what I said on the image page - I am the photographer and I own all rights. How I choose to license any of my images in up to me and me alone. The License I chose is:

This work is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 United States License. To view a copy of this license, visit http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/ or send a letter to Creative Commons, 171 Second Street, Suite 300, San Francisco, California, 94105, USA.

I do not think you, or any other mod, took the time to read what I posted on the images talk page and the clear citations of the Wiki rules as they apply to my images and how the images are allowed and should not be deleted. If you, or any mod, had taken the time to read and not just delete I would have seen the discussion on the topic. There were none.

As for your specific comments to me: perhaps you are not a photographer or, if you are, you have no objections to your work being given away without any form of protection. That is fine if so, however as I would never tell you how to release your photographs or work I would appreciate you not telling me how I can, or can not, license my work. Your comment implies I am not the photographer but if I really were all I have to do to prove it is to upload a "clean" image. After 30 years in the industry I can say this with all seriousness - Do you think I am stupid?

Soundvisions1 ( talk) 04:23, 29 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Thanks for deleting a batch of files I uploaded to Commons. You have left the associated, now empty talk pages. The list is:

• Image:GillsBayFerryFishingboats.jpg (I8: Image is a duplicate of an image on Commons)
• Image:ForthRailwayBridge.jpg (I8: Image is a duplicate of an image on Commons)
• Image:Dwarfie Stane, Island of Hoy, Orkney.jpg (I8: Image is a duplicate of an image on Commons)
• Image:DeernessSignpost.JPG (I8: Image is a duplicate of an image on Commons)
• Image:CantickHeadLH.JPG (I8: Image is a duplicate of an image on Commons)
• Image:Arran satellite lamlash.jpg

Finavon ( talk) 07:16, 29 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Hey emerasee keeps sayign thr link is spam and it not

you souhdl check it yourself it from atv.ca

please get back to me

( 99.224.42.232 ( talk) 23:33, 29 September 2008 (UTC)) reply

I just thought you might want to take a look at what happened when I took the ignored report to AIV. I am somewhat upset ... this was a clearly a report that could have been handled immediately at AIV. Instead, I had to wander over to ANI, where such things get quickly lost. Because things get lost and delayed by everyone's desire to discuss things, I had to move the report to get people to notice it. About three times as much work, and a much slower response time. Kww ( talk) 00:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Now that my mistaken block has been removed, I'll reply here. Inserting copyright violations and obvious violations of the fair use policy is vandalism. That's why reverting it is a specific exemption to WP:3RR, a permitted use of rollback, etc. Blocking a user that vandalises in exactly the same way again as his only edit once a block is lifted, has ignored all previous warnings, and has made no effort to communicate despite having his vandalism reverted over a dozen times isn't hair trigger at all ... it's normal procedure. Kww ( talk) 01:16, 30 September 2008 (UTC) reply

I do have an account, but I often edit from my IP. In this case, I knew these guys were coming and figured I should put a hold on them as soon as I could. Cheers, 65.190.95.8 ( talk) 01:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Hi, it's me again. Goingoveredge on the potential superpower page has accused us of pushing POV, and calling us indophobics (calling me an indophobic when I'm of indian descent, weird, huh), and accusing us of owning. Even after you told him to stop that. He also calls the author of one of our sources a neo-facist neoconservative who lives outside the mainsteam academic despite the fact that Parag Khanna is one of the most respected members in International Relations and Geopolitics. Also, accusing our sources of being written by a guy of racist ideology. While we're still reviewing the sources he's put because some of us have concerns that the sources he's putting only have to do with why it's a potential ______(ex. Military) superpower and not an full fleged potential superpower. So, you already warned all of us, you already told us not to make unfair accusations, so I don't know what to do? Deavenger ( talk) 02:27, 30 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Thanks for putting in a few comments. But, I have a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach that this isn't going to end anytime soon unfortunately. Deavenger ( talk) 03:28, 30 September 2008 (UTC) reply

And unfortuantly, you better look at the potential superpower page again by the newest post by Goingoveredge. Deavenger ( talk) 03:56, 30 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Thanks for blocking User:Seannnnmm! Kinou ( talk) 04:38, 30 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Yes, I did remove the SPAM tag after a while and PRODed it. The author restored it to the old SPAM tag. I'm sure the PROD would've been declined too; I was afraid this was coming lol. Thx for the H.U. ←Signed:→Mr. E. Sánchez ^{Get to know me!} / _{Talk to me!}←at≈:→ 04:57, 30 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Is this page backlogged? Also, I think this page should be a stub. Narutolovehinata5 ^{t c csd new} 08:47, 30 September 2008 (UTC) reply

I'm fairly new and I don't know what that means really, I know protection means to guard, but what does it actually do to the editors. Please reply on my talk page, thanks and happy editing.

Hairy Perry 13:02, 30 September 2008 (UTC) reply

So did you fully protect or semi-protect?

Hairy Perry 13:16, 30 September 2008 (UTC) reply

Ok I got it, well I've made a lot of good contributions so I think I can be trusted. Thanks continue the good work and so will I. Happy Editing.

Hairy Perry 17:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC) reply

{{helpme}} Can you please help this user? Narutolovehinata5 ^{t c csd new} 12:37, 30 September 2008 (UTC) reply

sorry about the whole issue with the wiki page i dont plan on making it again. but i do plan on making a new web page on free webs im sure u have heard of it. is there any way u can give me back the code or atleast give it back on wiki so i can save it onto my comp i worked a really long time on it and i didnt save any of the work i did

please help thanks BryanSweet —Preceding unsigned comment added by BryanSweet ( talk • contribs) 18:05, 30 September 2008 (UTC) reply