Kalasha don't believe in Islam, it is not part of their culture. There are Kalasha forced to become Muslims, but at the time that happens they are no longer part of the community. And isn't it ironic to say Kalasha are Muslims, when they try to keep their independence against all the islamic pressure from outside. (You can answer at my site in the German Wikipedia) --Felix Ufer
I will tell you an old parable. The man asks a learned hodja: Kimdir ol velî ki hemşireleri onu kuyuda gark etmiştir? (Who is that saint who was drowned by his sisters in a well?). The hodja says; Not a saint but a prophet, not his brothers his sisters, not drowned but thrown! :-) The section has many inaccuracies. It even claims that sub-Saharan ancestry was brought to Asia Minor with eunuchs. I think it's better to keep it that way. However, I should tell that current population of Turkey was shaped in late 19th and early 20th centuries with three main tenets: 1- Sedentarisation of nomads, 2- Settlement of Muslims from former Ottoman territories in Anatolia, 3- Expulsion and/or extermination of Christian elements. I think a historical perspective should include these three main historical demographic movements. Behemoth 02:41, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I will write you two anecdotal quotes on that "Turkish identity" thing. The first one is from Suyu Arayan Adam, an autobiography of Şevket Süreyya Aydemir. Şevket Süreyya is a nationalist officer at WWI who speaks of his soldiers as "Turks". The soldiers who are of peasant origins duly oppose this naming. They say: "Sir, we are not Turks because we are not Kizilbash. We are Muslims!" The second is from the novel Yaban by Yakup Kadri Karaosmanoğlu. Ahmet Cemal, an intellectual ex-officer wants the villagers to support Mustafa Kemal at the "National Struggle" and adds "for it is the duty of every Turk". The villagers say "We are not Turks!" Ahmet Cemal asks them "what" they are and they say "We are Muslims. The ones you talk about live in Haymana!" :-) Behemoth 03:25, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Do you know that Khan Wali Khan is listed 3 times as a nominee for a good article? Once as Abdul Wali Khan by Zak. Just thought I'd let you know. Tombseye 03:03, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Look at that sentence again. Why are Mongols, Persians, and Turks given there links to there ethnic group instead to there ancient empire? And by the way, when did the Kurds fight the Persians and Turks? Certinaly not before BC! Kurds and Assyrians have fought in the past 3000 years. By the way, so now your going to give the upmost respect to the Kurds and respect there claim of being so ancient, that they are linked to Hurrians, but your going to deny Assyrian's claim? Chaldean 03:25, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
File:Atlanticpuffin4.jpg | Hello Khoikhoi. Thank you for your support at request for adminship which ended at the overwhelming and flattering result of (160/1/0), and leaves me in a position of having to live up to a high standard of community expectation. If you need any admin assistance, feel free to ask me, and naturally, if I make any procedural mistakes, feel free to point them out and I look forward to working with you in the future, and keep moooooooing. Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 07:10, 30 May 2006 (UTC) |
If I had control here, I would remove both the Armenian Revolution and First Armenian Republic 1915-1916 articles. This article: Democratic Republic of Armenia, though not very coherent, does at least describe a real entity. Suggestions? Cglassey 08:38, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Regarding First Armenian Republic (1915-16); Confederation of Armenian parties, which had a representation in Ottoman parliament, come together and formed a local governing structure in this region. Ottoman documents define it as a revolt coordinated by Armenian confederation. I'm aware the fact that this area was a war zone, as we know from historical perspective and overall control of Grand Duke Nicholas Nicholaevich was a fact. However, I could easily see an issue regarding the fact that it was really not different than the origination of TBMM. OR if was not crushed, it could have easily replace the democratic republic of Armenia, as the distinction between them was very diffuse (same people, same party, same military power). I do understand your point, and if you could help, there may be a better way to define it. As far as I can say; it may be in very early stages of becoming a state (from ARF perspective), but it has a political and military structure. Thanks.-- OttomanReference 02:40, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
ps: there was an article about how the negotation between ottoman (a german commander) and confederation of Armenian parties was performed, Ottoman units let them have their local control under the pretense that they would not help Russians... Hope I can reach that document again.-- OttomanReference 02:50, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
CGlassey writes: While I think the revolt in Van is reasonably worth its own article, I have yet to see any evidence in any research I've done over the last week which suggests this revolt is worthy of the title "Armenian Revolution". One city does not a revolt make. The revolt in Van seems to have been an isolated, and, if I may say, heroic, action by the people in this one town (not quite true, the Armenians in Şanlıurfa revolted in early 1916). Nor do I see any reason to think the Armenian's "gave up" when Van was re-taken by the Ottoman army in late July 1915 (currently the article says "The Battle of Van effectively ended the Armenian Revolution". I don't see any "giving up" by the Armenians. They still had units in the Russian army and they continued to exist even when the Russian army melted away. So, for me, a better solution would be
Cglassey 23:01, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
CGlassey writes: you ask how strong is the evidence that the Ottoman government acknowledged the Armenian genocide after WWI?
This is a fact. No question about it. The problem is twofold. (1) The Ottoman government was in its last days. The actions it took were soon, within two years, utterly repudated by the new Turkish government of Kemal (later Attaturk) (2) The Ottoman government was both defeated and quite clearly under the thumb of the victorious British (and French). Later Turkish appologists simply say "can't trust anything which was said by the Ottoman governent from November 1918 till its fall in 1920. Period." Personally I don't dismiss the trials conducted in 1919-1920 out-of-hand. But I'm hardly an expert on the trials.
CGlassey writes: you ask "why are historians are still trying to determin what happened in the Ottoman empire 1915-1918?"
Several problems exist.
Just imagine the field day the Holocaust deniers would have if the Germans hadn't kept such detailed records of what they did in their death camps. The conventional opinion on what happened is correct as I see it but the Turkish government has fought tooth and nail to deny that the deaths of one million (or more) Armenians was anything other than "a poorly planned population relocation". That said, I'm convinced that a very large number of Armenians did flee their native lands and live under the (temporary) protection of the Russian Imperial army. So I don't believe that 90% of the original Ottoman Armenian population died. No one knows how many fled, nor does any anyone really know the pre-war population. What we do know is: before the war, there were many Armenians living in the Ottoman Empire. By the end of the war there were very few, and violence had been inflicted by the Ottoman government against the Armenians on a scale that was incredible. Cglassey 23:19, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I know that it's User:3210 (though he was going under the guise of User:Eculum at the time he created the article, because in real life his name was "Eyüp Culum" and he changed the "Culum" to "Kartal" or "Eagle"—a name likely chosen because, according to his Turkish Wikipedia page, he is a supporter of the Beşiktaş football club, whose mascot and nickname is the "Eagles"—because he was tired of misspellings of the last name; a long and complicated story found, in Turkish, here), and I've posted a note on the proposed deletion on his page, too.
I've done searches on the man (as my previous very long sentence probably shows), and he's notable only for the name change—which, let's be honest, is not very notable—and for starting somewhat successful campaigns to get more Turkish Wikipedia articles written, as this article, again in Turkish, attests. This second fact may indeed be somewhat notable, but I (personally) don't think it's really enough for an encyclopedia article about the man (though there are, of course, no firm policies on notability). — Saposcat 20:41, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
What?
Yes, go ahead. Dahn 00:21, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Could you please have an eye on Alisher Navoi and Babur ... a Pakistani user (with very obvious anti-Persian and anti-Shia mentalities) is really messing up these articles!
Thanks!
Tajik 00:48, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Khoikhoi, I respect your idea regard to genetic and I am not going to revert it to the previous edition. But, do you agree with order of titles? I see that this article “Azerbaijan people” become a battle field between people with nationalistic affiliations. Some people insist to bring the material related to their affiliation at first. For example look at “Turkic background examined”. None of the paragraphs has any citation. Is that the policy of Wikipedia? Should not parts based on scientific tests become first or at least paragraphs with more reliable references? Are genetic tests are more reliable or paragraphs without any citation.
Hey what up dude. Guess what? Steve McCurry straight up denied the request to use ANY of his images, including the low resolution image of the Afghan girl, on wikipedia. I would have thought it would be free publicity for him, but he simply said no. So, can you come up with some new collage and if you can find any images without copyright problems, then please let me know. What a bummer. She's probably one of the most notable Pashtuns around since everybody recognizes her. Oh well. Tombseye 17:11, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Hmm.. I thought we discussed this. Turkish people include kurds. Perhaps it might be wise to merge People of Turkey with Turkish people. 'Turk' is an ethnicity, 'Turkish' is a nationality. -- Cat out 19:15, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't agree with your edit in the article, but I'm not going to start a revert war. This is clearly out of context. Ethnicity of no other person is mentioned in the article. Especially given a list of the history of Iran included in this article on the right (how come a Turkish state be a part of history of Iran but not Turkey), this does not sound like anything innocent. Deepblue06 01:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
If it was just this article, I would not mind this small edit. But after reading some other articles, I've noticed strong Iranian nationalistic POV attempts in Turkic related articles (languages, other turkic states, scholars, religion, etc). Selcuks was a Turkish state, but in the article (on the right) there is a history of Iran box. That does not make sense at all. How come they are part of history of Iran but not Turkey. If a list should be included, it should be the list of Turkish (or Turkic, whatever you want to call) states. Deepblue06 01:23, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
No worries, I was not referring to you. As far as I see there is a group of users who're aggressively pushing Iranian nationalistic POV.
If I haven't had some good Iranian friends before, my feeling for Iranian people would be very negative after reading some of the discussions on Wiki. I think that this place is a magnet for nationalist fanatics. Deepblue06 02:35, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
I believe your reversals of my culture edits were clearly incorrect - articles linked were in each case most comprehensive and neutral point-of-view sources of information on the web. They should also be useful in improving Wikipedia articles about these subjects, especially since they had significantly more content and bibliographies than Wikipedia articles. Explain your reasons or I will proceed with reversals.
Hi,
I'm wondering if maybe it isn't time to try again to implement NPOV policy on the Moldova-related pages, first and foremost Moldovan language, but also Moldova, Moldovenism, Moldovans, and the like. Your thoughts? -- Node 06:28, 2 June 2006 (UTC)`
Hi. I added a section to Armenians in Turkey, could you check? -- Gokhan 07:17, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Khoikhoi. Please have a look at Alisher Navoi. An IP is messing up the article by - purposely - replacing Chaghatai language with (Anatolian) Turkish, which totally falsefies the article. He also replaces the word Azeri into Ottoman Turkish, totally denying Fuzuli's Azeri heritage and his Azeri and Persian poetry. Your help is needed!
Tajik 16:25, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
You got mail! :) :P -- K a s h Talk | email 18:52, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
-- Nataly a 03:39, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Khoikhoi. I noticed you took of the Photo by Raffi Kojian in the Adana article because it is a self-reference, but in this case I don't understand how that can be enforced since I gave the photo a free use with attribution tag. Technically, now the use of the photo on that page is in violation of my terms of use. Can you please let me know what the deal is in such a situation? -- RaffiKojian 04:11, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
BTW - I just read the self-references page you linked to, and it means something completely different than using your name... I think you're off on this one. -- RaffiKojian 04:14, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey. I beefed up the older history section and made a bunch of copy edits. Let me know what you think if you have a chance. -- Ssilvers 04:28, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for the trust that you had in me when you supported my Request for Adminship. The nomination ended successfully and I am actually overwhelmed by the support that I received. Thanks again! -- Kim van der Linde at venus 06:21, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
hi. could you have a look at the hristo botev article?-i tried to fix sthgs up and put a neutrality tag- this is one of the comments i got "from a Turk I can accept to question the neutrality of the article (I would rather question its quality), but, sorry, not from a Greek"
best greece666
You are right-i confused the sections of the article-so i put the pov tag to the next section (april uprising) best, greece666
User:GDP is messing with the Romanian Wiki Notice board. It is Bonny. Pls ban him or something. -- Candide, or Optimism 15:52, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Isn't devoting an article to one viewpoint called POV pushing? If i created an article entitled Armenian relocation, and stated "Armenian relocation is a term used mainly by Turks to describe the events of 1915", would this be ok with you? -- A.Garnet 22:49, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Can we have a little respect here..You know when you say Diyako..you mean "Leader of Pan-Kurd Nationalist party", right ;)? Hehe I knew it was him from long ago, sadly check user didnt show that its him..but it showed that those IPs are all used by Unknownable ( talk · contribs · count).. -- K a s h Talk | email 00:31, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Why do you care about them so much? Are you an Ubykh also? Behemoth 02:04, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Is obviously a sockpuppet of User:Bonaparate, and of User:Vlachul, and of User:Greier... Jayjg (talk) 03:25, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
re: [2] It is a map with a more recent date (2002 vs. 1992) and I thought it a good addition. -- Moby 03:40, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Need editorial help with anything? I'm happy to take a look. -- Ssilvers 05:26, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Look Khoikhoi me and you don't always see eye to eye when it comes down to the moldovan issue but usually we always find a way to compromise. Now if you would please look carefully at what I have written - you will see that I have tried to incorporate in that article Moldovans not only from the USSR but Moldovans as a whole - that is why I placed in brakets: "(sometimes reffered to as Romanians)". Before saying that I am pushing a certain POV, please look at the fact that insdie Moldova itself, many people call themselves Romanians, while some call themselves Moldovans without discerning a certain difference between the two. At the same time inside Romania, where 43% of the old Moldavian territory exists, everyone calls themseves Romanians as well. I think that the point of an encyclopedia is to offer information, impartial information. What this article should do is tackle the meaning of the notion of "Moldovans" and if that is what your interest is (and not some pro-Russian, pro-Stalinist interest), then you will certainly notice that what I have done is not deny that the notion of Moldovan can mean something different then Romanian to some people, but I simply stated that the same notion of Moldovan can mean "Romanian" to others. [
I also propose that further discussions should be done at the talk page in order to avoid revert wars. [User:Constantzeanu|Constantzeanu]] 07:52, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey again,
It's true that "most sources" consider it "identical to Romanian". However, most of these sources aren't about languages or linguistics, it's mentioned as part of a related topic, for example if an article is about the Soviet era in Moldova (which is often characterised on Wikipedia in a POV manner as "occupation", which it wasn't, considering Moldovans had representation in Soviet gov't and full citizenship rights), it might note a short sentence about Moldovan being "identical" or "viritually identical" (the latter seeems to be the more common of the two).
Most of these references, in turn, refer back to a handful of sources, chief of which is the Encyclopædia Britannica.
If you read actual linguistic literature on the topic, excluding that published in Romania, the general consensus is rather complex but is as follows:
To sum it up, there are differences between Moldovan and Romanian, yes, they have differing histories since the 1800s when French words were adopted for "technical" vocabulary in Romania, but in Moldova, mostly inhabited by peasants, people continued to use Russian loans (although today most Russian loans have been replaced with the Gallicisms).
Regarding undue weight, I have presented many, many sources that agree that Moldovan and Romanian are not "identical". However, whatever evidence I present, people generally attack me ad hominem or say things along the lines of "It doesn't matter if you have sources, what you're saying is ridiculous, so I won't allow it in the article".
For example, right now the article says that "one moldovan linguist" considers Moldovan to be a separate language from Romanian. That's off -- first of all, Vasile Stati, the "linguist" in question, is not a linguist (although he is the author of the "Romanian-Moldovan dictionary" which unfortunately used mostly synonyms, archaicisms, and unknown neologisms as "translations"). Second of all, I provided examples of other linguists who have studied on the subject and do not consider "Moldovan and Romanian to be identical".
In addition, the Romanians did something totally unacceptable: in many cases, they replaced a statement with something significantly different, but kept the same source, for example they changed "nearly identical" to "identical", but kept the same sources I added (which said specifically "nearly identical"), and reverted all of my attempts to rectify the situation.
There is a great deal of study, especially in Moldova (but also by areal linguists around the world), related to the relationship between Moldovan and Romanian.
Most of it doesn't explicitly address whether or not Moldovan is a "separate language", because there are no solid scientific criteria by which this can be determined, and it is of little interest to specialists. Specialists care mostly what is unique about Moldovan speech, the differences between speech in different Moldovan regions, the influence of Russian, Ukrainian, and other languages on Moldovan language, the history of Moldovan language policy, etc. You will be hard-pressed to find a document *about* the languages of Moldova, written by any non-ROmanian specialist in the area, that says "Moldovan is the same language as Romanian", in any way, shape, or form.
Why is it necessary to say that? Specialists never seem to have believed it necessary. Rather than saying whether they are the same language, nearly the same language, different languages, or whatever, specialists have instead elaborated on the differences in history, grammar, syntax, phonology, vocabulary, sociolinguistics, etc.. And after you read this stuff, there is no need for such a blanket statement.
Basically, it's like saying "The Euchi are nearly identical culturally to the Beuchi". If there are differences, they are best elaborated, rather than written off as insignificant. -- Node 08:12, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Node is a liar. He claims to speak Moldovan at Level 2, but doesn't even speak it at Level 1. He's learned a few phrases, like the parrot that he is, but cannot converse in Moldovan. He tried to be clever with Oleg, another Moldovan, but he told him off. It's really sad that he doesn't have an identify of his own and most steal the identity and history of some obscure nation in Eastern Europe. Node is a Jew, not Moldovan. -- Candide, or Optimism 19:56, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Should this page be archived? -- K a s h Talk | email 13:02, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Change the picture of the chess player, you can add Shiren E in his place. Frankly I find it very hypocritical the lame excuses they are making
[3] :-D --
Telex 19:36, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Precisely. --
Illythr 01:53, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
I'll only leave the Turkish names in the head of Greek islands, only if the Greek names appear in the head of Turkish cities that were inhabited by Greeks. The majority of the Greek names of Turkish cities doesn't even appear in the body. In the case of the Greek islands, even it's a 5-line article, the name will appear in the head. It appears to me that a certain editor went through all the Greek islands off the Anatolian coast and expressed freely his personal land-claims. I won't let it pass. Miskin 20:51, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
PS: Despite what Turkish editors would claim, the Turkish language is an invention of the 20th century, and it's unintelligible to the Ottoman language which would have a real historical connection to those territories (yet irrelevent today). Furthermore the Turkish name of Crete or Lesbos is not anymore important than the Turkish name of Thessaloniki or Athens. I honestly don't know how can you support this. This doesn't happen in any other similar case, nor it will ever. Pointless to mention that the Turkish editors will never accept Greek names on the heads of Turkish articles. So I don't even know why we're discussing this. Miskin 20:56, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
It is recent, at least for Smyrna. I don't care about small cities, I care about places with official Greek presence, such as Istanbul. As for Athens, yes I would think it should include a Turkish name if it had been excluded from a population exchange. See treaty of Laussane in
Exchange of Greek and Turkish Populations:
"Article 2.
The following persons shall not be included in the exchange provided for in Article 1: a) The Greek inhabitants of Constantinople b) The Muslim inhabitants of Western Thrace."
It isn't fair to have every single toponym of Western Thrace in Greek and ignore the case of Constantinople. The only reason it's not there is because Turkey ethnic cleansed our minority down to 2000. And you still haven't answered my comment on the anachronistic usage of Constantinople over Istanbul 500 years before the name was coined. I'm not some stuck-up Turk-hater but Turkish editors here in wikipedia are just giving me a lot of shit (excuse my French). They won't recognise genocides, they're POV-pushing Turkish names and land claims and much more which is just too much to bare. Once the Greek names are removed from Istanbul and Izmir, I'll remove all Turkish names from all Greek articles, Thrace included. I really don't see what the "historical significance" is, as I told you earlier they're not even speaking the same language.
Miskin 00:38, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
What did you do to earn all these enemies? -- Telex 13:57, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Khoikhoi, I have a question on the subject of the article Hood event. If you look at the caption under the photograph, it reads, "Soldiers from the 173rd Airborne Brigade detaining suspected Iraqi insurgents in Operation Bayonet Lightning in December, 2003. The raid on Sulaymaniyah would have probably looked similar to this.". Is this a valid turn of phrase for a photograph caption in wikipedia, "would have probably looked similar to this" ? I contributed lightly to that article in the past but haven't touched the caption. Still, I am puzzled over it. Regards. Cretanforever
Thanks for the response Khoikhoi! In fact, someone added what he claims to be actual pictures from the Hood event to Turkish wikipedia [4]. I thought over adding one, but the source seems problematic. There could be a point in adding a picture if the actual one in that article was also problematic. But finally I think "the game is not worth the candle" as they say in French. p.s. Don't start with people by asking "Are you Laz?", it's considered very bad manners. If someone wants to tell you his origins, he will do so himself. Amicably. Cretanforever
Ciao Khoikhoi, thanks for reverting the turkish name of Kastellòrizo! It's already the third time... I wonder what's wrong with it! I wrote or enhanced a couple of stubs about turkish towns along the mediterranean, adding the greek names, and none complained about it. Regards, alex2006 15:29, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi. You added the information "..slightly corrupt bureaucrat..". Firstly, he was and is not a bureaucrat whatsoever. He was a politician. Secondly, your accusation about his corruptness has to be proven. Citation is needed. He was brought before the high court, but he was not sentenced at all. I guess, this explanation is sufficient for you to revert your edit. CeeGee 16:47, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
If I would like to come back, shall I be blocked? Tell me my chances. -- 200.46.151.236 17:39, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
You removed my Bodie link without explanation, I thought my pictures provided good background, why did you remove the link? Isewell 22:04, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
You reverted a bunch of changes I put in, all without a single character of explanation. Please see [5] (which you link to yourself on your home page). I'm relatively new here, at least take the time to explain reverts - or drop me a note - so I don't make the same mistake again. If I had evil intentions and was just trying to spam wiki, why would I even bother logging in? Please point me to the rule that clearly says that my gallery links and images aren't useful, because I certainly don't see it. Isewell 23:26, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. However, I still don't see why you consider it spam. I am trying to bring relevent links and pictures to articles I see - be it links to wikitravel, my own site, or other sites. I am not trying to game search engine results. If I include "nofollow" tag, would this convince you? I do not think that wikipedia should be an online photo gallery, and so, if a reader is more interested in pictures, then a direct deep link to a photo album with relevent pictures about the place in question would be helpful - to me, it falls under the Acceptable external links category "Sites with other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article, such as textbooks or reviews." . Please let me know your thoughts on this interpretation. Isewell 01:01, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Hello Khoikoi. This user is VERY OBVIOUSLY pushing for an extrem anti-Persian propaganda. After vandalizing various articles regarding Alisher Navoi and Babur, he has now taken on the Ulugh Beg article. He has even changed the quote from Britannica in order to make his pan-turkic version look "right": [6] While the original text of the Britannica 1911 says "Persian scientist" [7], he has changed the word "Persian" into "Turkish" and claims that his change was based on the info available in Britannica.
Tajik 22:06, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Just one problem though. The map, Zereshk points out is an original creation and thus may not be objective etc. Do we go back to the old map then or what? I see you are inundated with requests for help! ;) Tombseye 23:26, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Khoikhoi. It is disputed by a tiny minority, please have a look at these: [8] [9] [10]
Regards, Grandmaster 04:46, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Ciao Khoikhoi, thanks again for cleaning and tagging the Article about Yesilköy. I am new in Wikipedia, and I must still learn a lot! Regards, alex2006 07:56, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
alex2006 10:02, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I was in L.A., at U.S.C., where I got a M.S. in Electrical Engineering. My best friends live in Petaluma (Novato County), where they run a ranch...They are actually cowboys! ;-) ~
alex2006 06:22, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, I really don't know who criticised USAK or its publications for being "nationalist", no one needs to because that's what they are! Those USAK people are very sensitive about being considered as nationalist for the fact that the institution they see as their greatest rival (another strategy think tank) ASAM is overtly nationalistic. So, they want to style themselves as "centrist", "liberal", and whatever, shortly as a more "refined" and "civilised" bunch of guys. On the other hand, I guess Wikipedia is the place where USAK gets the highest coverage. Apparently, all members of their staff are now "contributing" to Wiki :-) Ciao! Behemoth 10:13, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for supporting me in my recently unsuccessful RfA. I plan on working harder in the coming months so that I have a better chance of becoming an admin in the future. I hope that you will consider supporting me if I have another RfA. Thank you for your support. -- digital_m e( t/ c) 15:34, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Many thanks for defending my user page against vandalism. Timothy Usher 20:08, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Staxringold talk contribs 20:35, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Dude, those are also awesome pictures! Man, you are the man when it comes to finding pictures. You mean use the one that you showed me yesterday for the infobox? Sure, I have no problem with that since we have all these copyright issues to worry about all the time. Let me know when we can use the pictures OR just upload them and place in the article as you see fit. I'm sure you'll do a good job. Hey as long as nobody brings up the map as the reason to oppose Iranian peoples ascension into FA status, I got no problem! Yeah, I just wrote up a general opening similar to Pashtuns and Tamils, the only featured ethnic group articles. there's a 3 paragraph minimum so I complied. I don't want to emphasize contentious stuff, but I will, with sources, do the article. I'm thinking of starting over with it as it's frankly a mess. Here's the general table of contents:
History
Origins
Demographics
Culture
The end. I'm a little burnt out tonight, so I'll pick it up tomorrow, but I think a lot of the article as it is now will get nixed as it's just a convoluted mess.
They do not live in Crete now, so they are not a minority population. -- Hectorian 03:52, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
What infos are you expecting from me exactly? Thanx -- fz22 08:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
No, no, no, not what you think! This time is for something that all of us need:
Improvement of the <ref> function.
Please weigh in at Wikipedia talk:Footnotes#Poll! NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 21:52, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Khoikhoi, have you checked the discussion on the Iranian languages page lately? Your input is needed. Imperial78
Hi Khoikhoi,
What is your idea about the last edition made by Johnstevens5 in Azerbaijani people specially "examined Turkic origin" [ [11]]
I like that somebody could add citation to this part, but I read changes and I think before adding this qoutations we need to reach an agreement on it. I am not sure editor's interpretations from given quotations are completely correct. I may revert them and them to For example:
Or some of them are very new and I have no idea about them, maybe we need a more reliable refrence on them; for example:
Dr. Alireza Amir Nazmi Afshar states that Turkic tribes and nations are native to central Asia, north/west and southwest of Caspian Sea. One of three languages that the Elam inscriptions were written in has Aral-Altai roots, proving the Turkish presence in the area for approximately six thousand years[16]
What is your idea? -- behmod talk 22:56, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
After a quick glance, I support your latest changes to Armenian Genocide. If someone wants to present all of those claims, they need to place it in a coherent framework (in terms of integration, sourcing, etc.), as well as adding these to Ottoman Armenian casualties when applicable. Regards, El_C 01:26, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Are you around? Raul654 01:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Excuse me, but here is User:NorbertArthur, not Bonaparte. I think you made an error. I cannot log in. My userpage has to be unblocked first.
Are you serious? Wow, that's cool ! But are you an American of Romanian ancestry? BTW:they unblocked my userpage, you can write there now. Arthur 8 June 2006
My spider sense is tingling and telling me that the article's got a shot at making it. Now if I could get paid for doing this stuff... ;) Tombseye 03:10, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
In solidarity of your work in extremely tense situations in nationalistic arenas and combating racism on wikipedia. I can attest to it's hard work - I've just dealt with such a situation. Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 03:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
See here for an explanation. As they say in Turkish, Hastayım, hasta—canım ister pasta ("I'm sick, sick—and I really want some cake"). — Saposcat 05:51, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for supporting my Request for Adminship! I appreciate it and will do my best to maintain the faith you have shown in me! – Ben W Bell talk 07:14, 8 June 2006 (UTC) |
Hey congrats for being one of the two most prolific editors of the 1000th Featured Article of wikipedia. You are there in the press release :)-- Dwaipayan ( talk) 15:21, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Walaikumsalam, brother. I think there are some big problems there and I dont like to see injustice and falsehood. But my english is not very good and so I am not that good at argument. Khorshid 15:50, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I am very to see The Iranian People's page become a featured article and to add on, the milestone article! A job well done Khoikhoi! --( Aytakin) | Talk 15:56, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations on having written the 1000th FA. Hopefully, we see many more. Cheers, RyanG e rbil10 (Drop on in!) 16:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi can we get some intervention here. The fact of the matter is that Nezami's other half was not a Turk and can never be proven. -- Ali doostzadeh 16:17, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
...dear sir for your warm welcome :) 85.0.32.97 18:08, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
No, no, no, not what you think! This time is for something that all of us need:
Improvement of the <ref> function.
Please weigh in at Wikipedia talk:Footnotes#Poll! NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 18:10, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Heh you are famous now. I kida envy that. Congrats. -- Cat out 18:40, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey, so I guess the cat's out of the bag. Funny thing is that Iranian peoples is now getting more copyediting than it did back when it was nominated. Imagine that. More evidence that we work well together though, eh? ;) Not sure if this constitutes actual fame, but definitely credibility. Oh and how are the pictures for Pashtuns coming along? Before they put it up as the FA article of the day, it'd be cool to have those awesome pictures you got. I'm gonna work on and off on Azeris today (great thing about working as a substitute teacher for the summer is that I really don't have to do much other than play around on the internet and tell high school kids to stop molesting each other!). So the banner of the 1000th article thing has gotta go on your user page right? Heh heh. Ciao. Tombseye 19:14, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
See the Nizami article from Mr. Adil Baguirov reverted 3 times in one day.
(cur) (last) 18:48, 8 June 2006 AdilBaguirov (rv., user:Tajik is continually vandalizing the page and falsifying the contents) (cur) (last) 15:30, 8 June 2006 Tajik (rv of vandalism by User:AdilBaguirov) (cur) (last) 15:09, 8 June 2006 AdilBaguirov (rv. - stop vandalism and falsifications about Qom, etc.) (cur) (last) 04:20, 8 June 2006 Ali doostzadeh (cur) (last) 03:39, 8 June 2006 AdilBaguirov m (rv.)
That is 3:39, 15:09 and 18:48, all within the same day and thats three times.
-- Ali doostzadeh 20:04, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
He uses so many proxies it's kind of hard to tell. Is he being a serious nuisance? Jayjg (talk) 22:04, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
ВорчIами Хъойхъой,
Thank you very much for your barnstar. I really appreciate that and it feels good to know that there are some people who actually noticed my entry. =) And there is still work to do. If you have any suggestions, please tell. Thank you! —
N-true 22:10, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Joe,
I saw your name at the talk page of the Gokturks article a lot—do you think it would be a good idea for the page to be moved to Göktürks? After all, it is the correct spelling. And even though this is English Wikipedia, look at all the Polish city articles that use accents. Anyways, I just wanted your input. — Khoikhoi 00:39, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Hello Khoikhoi, hope you're fine. Could you please provide me information on how to start a new wikiproject. Thanks. Ozgur Gerilla 02:03, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Khoikhoi, thanks for all your help. Ozgur Gerilla 22:46, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
I thought that 3RR rule considers reverts on each day. My last revert is on June 9, the others are on June 8. But if one looks at any 24 hour interval (including reverts on consecutive days) then I indeed violated it. Anyways, thanks for the reminder, and there would be no hard feelings if you report it. If I violate a rule then I deserve the punishment. Deepblue06 02:40, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
No we don't wanna switch to the old. I like the new one too (a lot). I gathered all requests from all users for improving the bugs. The Wikipedia talk:Footnotes#Summary of proposals explains everything briefly. The most interesting features are 1.4 and 6 (particularly 6.2). The others are details. NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 08:46, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Congrats on the feature article!! :)
Svetlana Miljkovic 13:55, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
I have explained on the articles talk about the problems. There are some which Zereshk and others would know more about but from what I know 100% is that the information about Khuzestan is not right especially when looking at CIA, ethnologue, taheri and other #s on the ethnic politics of khuzestan and arabs of khuzestan pages. north of khuzestan is majority non-arab (very few arabs are there) and only southwestern part of khuzestan (circling ahwaz, khorramshahr, abadan, howeizeh, shadegan) has significant #s of arabic speaker and ahwaz and abadan (two largest cities in province) are majority persian-speaker. eastern part of khuzestan has mostly bakhtiari tribe and small # of tribal turkic-speaker. it is very complex which is why i suggest to imperial78 that such a map is a bad idea. it can become very political if not done with care. Khorshid 17:37, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi, d'you really think we need this? Behemoth 21:53, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Did you inform the Library Congress that their Peoples of the Caucasus page was BS? Even Levzur would not claim that Abkhazians are Georgians :-) Behemoth 22:35, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
I found it here. -- Telex 23:01, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
The word I used (âzrîlr - Arabic text seems to have a tendency of omitting half the vowels) appears twice in that text. -- Telex 23:09, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Holy crap! I was just rewriting the terrible demographics section when suddenly I see a zillion pictures up! Pretty good selection, in particular the menacing one with Babak who looks like Conan the Barbarian's mean younger brother. Say though, can we put back the Bey instead of the gold scythians just cause the Scythians seem somewhat minor in comparison and better off in the history article? Oh and GM (and some other folks hopefully) say they will get some pictures of regular Azeris so that the celebs don't get all the attention. And how about some women?! It's like a sausage fest in that article! Tombseye 23:17, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Khoikhoi I wanted to share with you some of the nasty comments I am getting from THOTH such as here or at the bottom of here, basically I just share my opinions and he tells me to go edit Britney Spears pages instead. I don't know how I should proceed with this, can you help? JorgChire 04:31, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
I was watching an Ed Wood movie and gave a little break to sneak into Wiki and found something way funnier [13]. Ciao! Behemoth 05:18, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
They only get indefblocked if the blocking admin or another feels like doing so. I've never seen a policy saying they had to. The vandalism was silly, and if the person feels like coming back and being silly, I'll indefblock them, if they don't feel like coming back, then that doesn't matter, and if they come back and are positive contributors, then that's cool for everyone. (I have a feeling this one won't bother coming back) Mak (talk) 06:00, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads-up on the argument over my map. I have Nagorno-Karabakh on my watch-list (precisely because I put the map there) but I hadn't noticed the discussion. -- Golbez 06:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
And thanks for the revert of vandalism to my user page. - Jmabel | Talk 08:00, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
This paragraph in Iranian peoples promotes racial purity. The article needs a careful and thorough review.
Moreover, the Iraqi Kurds are an eclectic Iranian people who, although displaying numerous ethnolinguistic ties to other Iranian peoples (particular in their Iranian language, and some cultural traits), are believed to have mixed with Caucasian and Semitic peoples, while the Iranian Kurds are of more pure Iranian stock. Heja Helweda 15:58, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for the opinion: since (as far as I remember), the user's talk page was empty (with no history), I remained cautious in warning them whilst trying to point them in the right direction.
Thanks for the heads-up, anyway! I'll try and patrol the article more frequently.
EvocativeIntrigue 20:01, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Roger that: I'll get round to adding {{ subst:SharedIP|Organization }} to the pages that made the edits unless you do first! EvocativeIntrigue 20:08, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
I mean to say rv last to you. Fad (ix) 20:23, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
As I know you're a fan of including alternative names, could you please guard the Turkish names at:
Of any alternative place names in Greek articles, this is where you start. Check the statistics in my subpage User:Telex/Ethnic identity in Greece. There is an actual (and large) Turkish minority in this area ( Western Thrace), and the Greek government agreed to preserve it (under the Treaty of Lausanne) in return for Turkey keeping Greek minorities in Istanbul, Gökçeada and Bozcaada. That's why your can use Turkish when communicating with public services and in certain state schools the medium of education is Turkish in that part of Greece. I suspect someone (anons and n00bs) will be removing the names constantly, so further assistance may be required. -- Telex 20:29, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Yup, no need to let that go on. However, try to warn editors next time also, so that we can use 3RR blocks if they go over the treshold. (Which they did not do yet I think)-- Kim van der Linde at venus 21:39, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
I guess I am an interesting one indeed. I grew up as an asocial child, became a gang member as an adolescent, then got assigned to a Hoxhaist organisation, more recently became a lawyer and I currently believe that the project USA is the ultimate mistake of modernity and gender confusion is the ideal dope for a cure. Ciao! Behemoth 06:47, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Ciao Khoikhoi, sorry for bothering you again, but someone moved the turkish and italian names of Kastellorizo again. After that, I reverted the voice. Now, I don't really understand this story. I put the names there only because they are important for the history of the island. The same is done for example in the voices about the border cities in Venezia Giulia. Trieste, on the italian Side is also Trst (slovenian), while Izola, on the slovenian side, is Isola (italian), altough almost no italian live there since WW II, and none finds that this is a problem. There is something wrong with it? There is an official policy of Wikipedia about Geographic voices and names? What happens if a revert war (which I don't want to begin) starts?
Thanks,
alex2006 09:37, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
You can do it if you want. BTW, nice picture! ;) —Khoikhoi 21:26, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
EvocativeIntrigue has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{ subst:smile}}, {{ subst:smile2}} or {{ subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!
EvocativeIntrigue 11:41, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
In the trail of Lazistan-related articles and images, I came across this:Image:Flag-Lazistan.gif rather suspicious-looking image. I found a more flag-like image here:Image:Flag-Lazistan.png. The first looks like (copyrighted) clipart to me, but I'd appreciate your opinion...
EvocativeIntrigue 11:58, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Ah, so many tags, so little time! I'll get round to it soon then. EvocativeIntrigue TALK | EMAIL 13:38, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
I can provide a picture of Coast Veddas but it will take me some time to find/scan/upload.
-- Jdart
I'm cool. Check your mail. Tombseye 20:40, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
DO NOT remove my legitimate comments and DO NOT falsely accuse me of attacks. I have not made any attacks but I find it interesting that you do not say anything about PERSONAL ATTACKS MADE AGAINST ME. The next few days will be interesting at this article. Kouroush 23:11, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Kindly elaborate this. According to any wiki's policies? Thanks! - 219.79.166.129 02:51, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
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Ben anlamadim sen kimsin, Turk, Kurd, Ermeni..? Ve bununla birlikte benim icin hic fark yok. Onlarin hepsi bir Hamurdandirlar (Manav-ogullari!). Fakat anliyamadigim sudur: sen,HOI, nicin Avarlara dair safasina STALIN portresiyile gelmeye curet ettin? Sen Stalini o kadar seversen git Stalin temerkuz kamplarina! Senin yerin ordadir. Senin Stalin'e o kadar heyran olmak hakki varsa benim de o kadar da Hitlere heyran olmak hakkim da vardir. Sen Wikipedia'da nicin Stalinist propaganda yapiyorsun? Sen kendi turk-kurd-ermeni (Manav ogullari) etnik ve tarihi problemleriyle ugras. Avarlari ve Kuzey Kafkasyalilari birak. Cunku sen bu konuda cahilsin.-- 80.237.35.244 10:02, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the support. BTW you might want to think about archiving your page again – this is the 100th section (do I get an award?) – Gurch 16:33, 12 June 2006 (UTC)