I don't agree one bit. I won't beg you to come back, but why? —  $PЯING rαgђ  04:31, 20 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I understand 100%, but please don't get depressive and down on yourself. I watched the whole story develop (actually only the part on your talk page as Biruitorul's is not on my watchlist), and I blame myself for not putting in a little comment saying something like "Let's watch this before it goes too far." Again, I hope to make it clear that I don't want to pressure you into coming back, but I would give up my own Wiki-reputation to save yours and if I can I will. But the only thing I can think to say right now is: It's late. Go to bed, and when you get up in the morning, think the whole thing over with a clear head. It may not be as bad as you think. —  $PЯING rαgђ  05:07, 20 June 2007 (UTC) reply

My advice: easy does it. You're not 50% responsible for this, since no one made me write that particular installment. Realistically, there's a 75% chance this will blow over - a harsh warning, yes, and that's very serious, but no more, assuming we stay out of trouble. True, this was all a big mistake, but no reason to quit, certainly not for you. Let's just keep a low profile for a little while and I'm sure we'll be OK, especially you. And you have nothing to fear from an RfA in a couple of months either, I imagine.

I should say, I was so excited to write some Dracula fiction. Ah, well - that one of my missiles went off is still gratifying. I won't say it was worth it, but there are bigger things to worry about than this trifle. In fact, I keep thinking back to Laurel and Hardy, when they're babysitting some children, who overflow a bathtub, which quickly threatens to spill into the whole house: let's hope the mess can be contained to the bathroom, or at least to the upstairs alone. Biruitorul 06:14, 20 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Having said that, I'm still annoyed that we (who are by and large productive editors) have to grovel to just save our skins, but he got away clean with so very much. Biruitorul 06:20, 20 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I'm glad to see you've taken a more measured response. That was a very nice ending, but I still like the Dr Strangelove one - to each his own. I wish I could have played with the Dracula component, but I've vowed to stop writing fiction here, for obvious reasons.

Sadly, no mops for now, but the leakage does appear to be contained through the use of many paper towels and us scooping water with our hands and throwing in out the windows. As I say, keep a low profile just now (no RfC before September 1, no RfA (for me at least) before January 1 (?)), and all should be well. Biruitorul 01:51, 21 June 2007 (UTC) reply

You can't be serious. -- KIDB 06:52, 20 June 2007 (UTC) What will happen to poor Liszt Ferenc without you? And to poor Wikipedia? I am sure you have the support of many serious editors. -- KIDB 07:14, 20 June 2007 (UTC) reply

If everyone who has offended me on WP would issue 1/10 of this, I would consider that person one of my best friends from that moment on. If you are busy in realy life at the moment and want to take a wikibreak for a few days, that's one thing. Everyone has moodswings sometimes. But if you intend to leave it for good, please do consider what KIBD has told you, you would let everyone down. Your contributions to editing the encyclopedia matter. Honestly, I am not interested in the comments you write on user pages, and noone looks there for information. People look in WP articles! WP and we need you as an editor.: Dc76 09:49, 20 June 2007 (UTC) reply

And anyway, enjoy your holiday, have and ice cream, or something. (It is terribly hot in Central Europe and in the Balkans now, I don't now how it is in the USA these days.) -- KIDB 13:44, 20 June 2007 (UTC) reply

For someone who's been involved at AN before, on both sides, trust me on this. This will blow over. In a few weeks time, many people will forget, and your name won't be synonymous with people like Willy on Wheels. Although I do think you should take a break, just for a few days to clear your head. Lie on the grass, curl up and read a book, go to the movies, anything that has the slightest chance of cheering you up. You're a brilliant editor, and if you do stick around for an RfA, I'll give you my full support. If you need any support, I'll be here, and I'm very certain Cliff will be too. Love, Will ^{( talk)} 10:46, 20 June 2007 (UTC) reply

btw, I agree with not editing at 2am. You can do crazy things when you're deprived of sleep :) Still, there is always support one click away if you need it. Welcome back, anyway. Will ^{( talk)} 13:23, 20 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Let me join the chorus, and wish you a speedy recovery from your difficulties. As a practical matter, I would suggest spendind a few hours away from it all at The Cloisters. Haven't been there in ages, but I still remember it as a gem—the best place in town to get away from all the Sturm und drang, at least for a little while. Turgidson 13:39, 20 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Glad to see you back. :) It sounds awkward to say this, but I can't really think of anything to say right now that will help, and I don't want to make anything worse; I'll think about it for a while though (I have to go in a few minutes anyway). Remember, we all love you and we'll take turns giving A.S. a run for his euro if you're fine with that. ;) —  $PЯING rαgђ  17:50, 20 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Sorry to hear about that trouble - NBD AFAICT, even the admin raising it could see that it wasn't quite as serious as it first appeared. He does have a good point - when writing fictional villains - even ones that deserve to die (and it's no crime: otherwise Shakespeare would've spent his life in jail) the names must also be fictitious; simple as that. We can move on now. As for a 2am cri de coeur - also not criminal, or most of us would be in jail (self included) so don't worry - having a wet shoulder for me is nothing new these days (though its mostly been a lot of spit-up). Take a break and blow it off - you do indeed fit here, and are doing well; just as (ahem!) I predicted long ago... István 16:38, 21 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I agree completely. —  $PЯING rαgђ  18:07, 21 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Just go read the discussion on the notice board now. LOL! Seems I've bent the focus (MUST have, as "...there is not doubt..." could apply to you but certainly not to Mr.X) so now it looks like you and Biru are ratting each other out, and Boris Badenov is all but forgotten???!!!??? LOL... maybe you and Biru should now publicly make amends and AGF? (just kidding...just walk away and let it all blow over) (but it *is* funny now isnt it?) István 19:38, 22 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I think he and I are the subject of the post - see Talk:Omar Hayssam and his edit summaries on that article. The good news is I'm almost off the ANI page! Biruitorul 00:44, 23 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I've been thinking the same thing myself. The question is, when will you run? Biruitorul 01:21, 24 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Sounds good! I look forward to it, and to serving my probation without trouble. Biruitorul 01:31, 24 June 2007 (UTC) reply

For being resilient. If there's humour on your page again (which there is) then at least we are on the road to recovery. :) —  $PЯING rαgђ  01:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Welcome back, Swallow! Hopefully you've taken the wonderful messages of everyone above to heart and you are feeling better. We can't have depressed 'pool fans, can we? (that's a job for the Arsenal supporters :P) I heartily endorse Cliff's star, by the way — if there's a guy nicer than him on the wiki, I've yet to find him. Welcome back anyway! Will ^{( talk)} 02:42, 23 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Oh, and I noted your complaint on Cliff's talk about not being able to position his star right (I have his talk on watch), so I did it for you. How does it look? Will ^{( talk)} 02:50, 23 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Thanks, it looks great! K. Lásztocska 17:30, 23 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Do you want a userpage redesign, btw? I'll happily do one - it's not as if I have better things to do. Will ^{( talk)} 22:48, 23 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Fair enough. Best get cracking! Will ^{( talk)} 01:16, 24 June 2007 (UTC) reply

No, don't owe me anything. I don't work like that, I do it just because I want to :) Will ^{( talk)} 01:23, 24 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Here's the sandbox I'm working in. Tell me if you don't like stuff. Will ^{( talk)} 01:31, 24 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I've pretty much done, unless you want me to do more... comments? Will ^{( talk)} 02:41, 24 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I've made a few more changes, curving the border edges and making the right margin on the userboxes match the left margin. Just a bit of pickyness :) Will ^{( talk)} 23:05, 25 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Welcome on the board again. And thanks for your help in the discussion with PANONIAN. This guy is causing me nightmares. :-)-- Koppany 06:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC) reply

No, what causing nightmares to you is your dedication to ideas defeated in world war II. PANONIAN 08:27, 24 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I am afraid PANONIAN that your ideas appeared in their true self at Vukovar and Srebrenica massacres , but don't forget these ideas were defeated and many of its supporters have now a nice cell in the jail of the Hague. -- Koppany 09:45, 24 June 2007 (UTC) reply

That is really big personal insult. I am pacifist and connecting me with such things is ridiculous. PANONIAN 16:11, 24 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I think you chaps should leave it there. Hi K. I'm really glad to see you better and back on wikipedia :) Will's done a great job with your page there too. All the best! A friend, M A Mason 10:39, 24 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Ouch. I never learn, do I? Panonian, Koppany isn't a Nazi or an Arrow Crosser or anything like that, so please don't imply that he is. Mason, thanks for saving my talk page from another border war... ;-) K. Lásztocska 13:47, 24 June 2007 (UTC) reply

That are not only ideas that were defeated in WW2, so you do not know what I am imply. PANONIAN 16:13, 24 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Frankly, my dear, I never know what you are talking about..... K. Lásztocska 16:34, 24 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Get your nose off this talk page, PANONIAN—Lastochka's had enough stress this month and she doesn't need you to cause her more. —  $PЯING rαgђ  21:44, 24 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Thank you for all that you have done! How much love resides therein! All one's gifts are never gone: Not seen, perhaps, but stored within. Kindness is an inner sun. Your unspent heart a message sends Of grace and sacrifice hard-won Upon which happiness depends! Thank you so much, my dear Hungarian friend! :) Love, Phaedriel 11:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC) reply

And I am sending you this (I know, you are a Lisztian, but this is not bad either.) -- KIDB 14:01, 25 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi K.Lastochka. I was refering to Biru and Anonimu but i think it also applies to you since you are involved as well. I appreciate yorur comments though i don't believe anyone should be banned. Happy editing. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 15:04, 25 June 2007 (UTC) reply

My dear revisionist, I would like to ask you some questions about the article on the " Treaty of Trianon" :

1) Why does it say "Maros" and "Szamos" river, when these two rivers are currently in Romania ?

2) "National Assembly of Romanians in Transylvania declared the union with the Kingdom of Romania." What about the Germans in Transylvania ?

3) "After the Romanian Army advanced beyond this ceasefire line, the Entente powers asked Hungary (Vix note) to acknowledge the new Romanian territory gains by a new line set along the Tisza river." So Romanians breaking a ceasefire determined the Entente to take action against Hungary ?

4) "the Entente powers promised Hungary to invite a Hungarian delegation to the Versailles Peace Conference. However, instead of an invitation to the peace talks, the Romanian army attacked at the Tisza river on 20 July 1919 and the Hungarian Red Army rapidly collapsed." "the district of Sopron opted to remain with Hungary after a plebiscite held in December 1921 (it was the only place where a plebiscite was permitted in the decision)" "After 1918, Hungary did not have access to the sea, which the former Kingdom had had through the Croatian coast and the port of Fiume for over 800 years." This seems POV

5) The remaining headlines, especially "Political consequences, are definitely POV. Is the paragraph about "Other consequences" used in all the articles about fallen empires ?

Just wanted you to know that I edited the article about the "Treaty of Trianon" on the Spanish Wikipedia, so you better send a Spanish speaking Hungarian revisionist to fix it back. If everybody were a pacifist like you, the Earth would have exploded by now. Please continue showing to everybody through Wikipedia that Hungary is perfect, and a million times better than Romania.-- Venatoreng 15:19, 25 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I wonder if this can be considered to be a personal attack? -- KIDB 15:34, 25 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Anyway, this is a no-name user, you shouldn't bother. -- KIDB 16:04, 25 June 2007 (UTC) reply

[1] - here she can respond to me, but what´s the point of discussing with enemies ? And what´s the point of contributing to a Hungarian-ruled encyclopedia ? Just gonna go find a rock (not Transylvanian, of course) to sleep under-- Venatoreng 16:10, 25 June 2007 (UTC) reply

What the fuck? K. Lásztocska 17:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Exactly, the Hungarians don't rule the wiki, the Jews do :P Will ^{( talk)} 17:55, 25 June 2007 (UTC) reply

ELVIS RULEZ! -- KIDB 17:57, 25 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Will, what are you talking about? Of course we rule it. WOOOOO YEAH, HUNGARIANS RULE THE WIKI!!! HAJRÁ MAGYARORSZÁG, ÉLJEN A HAZA!!! :P K. Lásztocska 18:00, 25 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Only the ones in the deletionist cabal, though. Will ^{( talk)} 18:05, 25 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi! - I wonder if you can help me with a Hungarian translation? I mostly contribute to aircraft articles, and I've just added one about a German trainer aircraft of the 1920s that was also licence-built by the Hungarian government at the "KRG" facilities in Székesfehévár-Sóstó. In my English-language sources, KRG is translated "Central Repair Workshops", but I'd like to know what the letters stand for in Hungarian, if only to be able to disambiguate from other things at KRG. Thanks in advance! -- Rlandmann 23:45, 25 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Thanks! I knew there had to be a forum around here somewhere... -- Rlandmann 04:29, 26 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Sorry Lastochka, for the edit in your text but I am convinced that in the case of this guy good faith can't be assumed. He will never agree to any compromise that doesn't support his POV. -- KIDB 13:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Jó reggelt kis madaram! I like the new userpage. (someday Im going to grow a graphic art design competence lobe in my brain and try sprucing up my own) ...and the K is for Jozsef K. which could instead make you "bogaram". Best stick with the former, or at least keep the two apart. István 17:42, 26 June 2007 (UTC) reply

This was the word I had to look up in a dictionary. Our communication will be not too efficient this way. From a single sentence of yours I see Ты говориш лучше по-русски чем я. You see on my user page: Level 2. :-) However, I might decide to change my signature to КИДБ - does it look impressing? And then I will be able to start edit warring about Bessarabia and Estonia :-) -- KIDB 19:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Yes My Dear, "I think thiz is the beginning of a beautiful friendship". I feel sorry for his health condition and I hope he will get better soon. (I suspected anyway that something was effecting his mood very negatively.) -- KIDB 10:45, 29 June 2007 (UTC) reply

I suppose you don't know, where this quotation qomes from, it's local stuff. I didn't mean the Casablanca but Kusturica's film Black Cat, White Cat, where an old Gypsy says this with a funny accent. -- KIDB 14:59, 29 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Sorry, you know much more about the Region than I supposed. Respectfully yours: -- KIDB 15:32, 29 June 2007 (UTC) reply

About recent events - I don't like to deal with people like this chap, it is waste of time, waste of energy that could be used for better purposes. I feel that arguing with him creates space in my soul for the dark forces. Exactly like in Star Wars. This is his strength, most people give up and run away from him. I don't know what to do. -- KIDB 00:38, 2 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Yes, I feel sorry for him too and also supposed that he or his family was involved in tragic events in the Balkan Wars or earlier, during WWII. According to his user page he lives in a relatively new part of Novi Sad with blocks of flats, his family could have moved there from Kosovo, Bosnia, or Croatia.

Some 15 years ago a Serbian plane dropped a bomb on a Hungarian village at the Croatian border by mistake. Many people here were frightened of the possible spread of the war to Hungary. Fortunately nothing more happened. It must be terrible to experience a real war.

I see he is blocked and I am sorry about him. Seeing his mental condition I did not mind too much when he was POV-sing minor topics like the (possibly) imaginary states in Gesta Hungarorum (even if it was very disturbing for me to see his unscientific edits), but I definitely do not want imortant information about my Nation to appear in a biased way in Wikipedia. (Even if I don't think Hungarians are saints and I deeply regret what happened to Hungarian Jews and Serbian Partisans during WWII.)

Now I am afraid we have to take on his job and try to protect some of "his" articles from being vandalised by other users. I will watch the Greater Hungary article. -- KIDB 09:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC) reply

I'm very excited about it; though we cannot be sure until the DNA proves it (and I'm a bit unsure about how will they do it, old DNA is very fragile and can't always be used...) I wonder why egyptologists did not try to identify this mummy earlier; it was long suspected to be that of Hatshepsut since it was found together with her nurse Sitre... Anyway, I hope it's really Hatshepsut's (though I find it sad that she died of cancer, must have been painful :( but at least she was not murdered, as some people think. Thanks for the link. :) – Alensha  ^talk 15:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Your idea from June 25, doing a featured article about Thalberg, is still sounding interesting in my ears. The English article is at a very poor state until now and crowded with mistakes. I'm sure that I can write a much better one instead. But there is still the problem that your lovely English language is a rather complicated thing for me. So, what about doing some international teamwork in this case? I write the article (It would take me about two weeks, perhaps.), and you give some elegance of language to it? The resulting article would without doubt be of a kind to be regarded as a jewel of WikiWorld. Thalberg has surely earnt it.

p.s. I have already started revising the article. If you have a look at it, you will see that unfortunately everything I write is rather long. 80.145.16.139 10:12, 28 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Me again. I think it is a very good idea, and don't worry about it being long—just re-write it in a sandbox and we can try to summarise the parts that may bore readers. :) Can I ask you to do one other thing and create an account to we can communicate on your talk page? ;) —  $PЯING rαgђ  00:24, 29 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Cool. I'd be glad to help smooth out the English. I agree with Spring's recommendation that you sign in, also--it will make communication easier. K. Lásztocska 02:05, 29 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Please, excuse, that at moment I can only think of that Thalberg article. 80.145.2.115 17:20, 29 June 2007 (UTC) reply

What? —  $PЯING rαgђ  18:23, 29 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi, Thanks for purging my late-night literary excesses from the Kubelik article, I needed to avoid going down that path! I've added a couple of bits of information to the Discussion page of your sandbox on Szigeti, just in case they might be some help. With best wishes, Dr Steven Plunkett 17:13, 30 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Yes, I'm guilty. I wrote some similar tosh the same night in the Huberman page as well, but have now removed it! PS Glad I'm not involved in that Thalberg page... just looked at it. All the best (and have fun), Steven [aka] Dr Steven Plunkett 17:27, 30 June 2007 (UTC) reply

Please read Croatian user, Rejecina's message on my talk page. He also had problems with Panonian. What do you think about his proposal? Thanks. -- Koppany 18:49, 2 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Thank you. I'm all good and fine with him when he's being nice, but I'll knock his block off if I need to now. —  $PЯING rαgђ  22:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC) reply

There are kinds of behaviour which nobody will like and nobody must like. For this reason, please take the Thalberg article in its former state. There were no references at all, but nevertheless, all the nice templates were also missing. I may therefore presume that, according to your taste, the article's former version was already perfect. 80.144.146.126 12:05, 3 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Lastochka—it seems we know two scholars here. The first is the belittling, the sarcastic, the condescending professor-like scholar; the other is the understanding, helpful, human being who wants to improve our work and not taint it. Sadly, it seems the former has become the stereotype. —  $PЯING rαgђ  18:44, 3 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Dear Lastochka, I wish you the best 4th of July you have ever had, and that you enjoy living in this great country as much as I do.   —  $PЯING rαgђ

Hungarian or American…or both?

Funny I had just told Will that when I read your message. But that's all right—even though I've spent about the last 19 of my almost 20 years here in America, I also identify as proudly Irish. :) —  $PЯING rαgђ  22:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC) reply

/me waves guilty as charged :) Will ^{( talk)} 23:26, 4 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Haha...I've got quite a lot of Irish blood too, actually. My Hungarian ancestry, while not in dispute, is certainly a bit foggy--I'm not even sure what part of the country my family came from. Eh well, it's not specifics of DNA that counts in the end though, is it? ;-) K. Lásztocska 23:30, 4 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Springeragh has a sneaky suspicion that the main reason for Lastochka's wikibreak is so that she can go to Hungary. ;) —  $PЯING rαgђ  23:34, 4 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Ohhhhh, I WISH!! I'm so homesick for my poor little country. (even though I have yet to set foot there--it's part of my soul, you see.) No, it's so I can finish writing a history paper that's expanded in scope to be practically a doctoral dissertation, I also have a business trip of sorts for the next few days. K. Lásztocska 23:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC) reply

By the way, I've spruced up your talk page, free of charge, in your country's colours :) Will ^{( talk)} 23:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Aha thank you!! Looks quite spiffy, and now it matches my front page! And on that note, comrades, I am logging off to TAKE MY WIKIBREAK!!! ;-) K. Lásztocska 00:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC) reply

I've had to change it. Looks less spiffy, thanks to a bunch of idiots who can't even program CSS support correctly. Will ^{( talk)} 13:19, 5 July 2007 (UTC) reply

My solution: Get Linux—and do what I say, not what I do. :P —  $PЯING rαgђ  17:27, 5 July 2007 (UTC) reply

I'd use it if mp3 support wasn't so tricky to tack on. Will ^{( talk)} 19:41, 5 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Good to see you back again - Wikipedia was getting boring. You know, the funny thing is, if some crazy story (like that) gets on the mainspace it eventually trickles out to the rest of the world via answers.com and other wiki-rippers and becomes seriously cited. Now THAT is funny. or not. BTW Ive probably avoided back surgery (!) and yes, am in much better spirits thanks ;-) István 04:53, 13 July 2007 (UTC) reply

I agree. Good to have you back. :) —  $PЯIПG rαgђ  04:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Please ask your idol the date when Romanians celebrated Christmas in the last 80 years. Americans should educate each other... maybe they can overcome of their proverbial... ignorance Anonimu 19:53, 13 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Tragically, only the Orthodox Churches of Russia, Serbia, Jerusalem and Georgia, plus the monks of Mount Athos and Old Calendarists (the latter considered schismatics by the Gregorian-calendar churches) continue to use the Julian Calendar in full. All Orthodox celebrate Pascha (Easter) and Lent based on the Julian calculation (except that of Finland), but churches like those of Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Albania and Japan use the Revised Julian calendar, which has a December 25th date for Christmas, and have generally done so since around the close of WWI, when those countries (also mistakenly -- would that Orthodox lands were 13 days behind the rest of the world!) tended to adopt the Gregorian calendar as their civil calendar.

In any case, this is the message you should have received, not the crude personal attacks that were directed at you and others. Biruitorul 21:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC) reply

OK, I promise to keep this brief. Because it lacks a central leader like the Pope (which is generally a good thing, given the outrageous claims he makes), Orthodoxy is unfortunately more prone to schisms and internal divisions. For instance, Romania, Bulgaria and Greece each have significant numbers of Old-Calendarists who are essentially identical to the main Orthodox Church except they use the Julian calendar, so each considers the other heretics for that reason alone and they have their own hierarchy and church buildings. Or there's a huge split and scandal in the British church for various reasons I haven't delved into.

But if we're to focus on the main Orthodox churches (Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem and down the line), the principal difference is language. There's also the calendar issue, and each church has its own unique history that has left it with particular traditions (like liturgical music, which is quite different in its Byzantine and Russian variants), but they're all close enough that they remain in full communion with each other (for instance I've received communion in no less than three different types of churches).

(A note on saints: typically, when a particular church canonizes someone, all the others accept that person as a saint within months, usually just a formality. However, while ancient saints (Saint George, Saint Mary of Egypt, etc) are revered equally by all, it's usually the case that national saints get more attention in their native lands - Saints Stephen the Great and Dosoftei in Romania, Saint Sava in Serbia, Alexander Nevsky in Russia, etc. Of course this is also true in Catholicism, as with Hungary's Saints Elizabeth and Stephen.)

In the United States (and probably Canada, Australia and Western Europe), it's normal to see Orthodox churches feature pews (which they don't in Orthodox countries), women wear veils quite rarely and sit together with men (in Romania it's fairly common, though by no means universal, for women to cover their hair and sit on the left, with men on the right), sometimes priests give communion out of plastic spoons (!) and other innovations are made, but so far none have been drastic enough to create a big schism. Also there is a lively debate over issues like contraception, over which clerics within particular churches rather than across them disagree -- that is, one might find monks in general disapproving and urban priests approving, but not all Russians opposing and all Bulgarians supporting. However, on the key doctrinal issues (the nature of Christ, the role of the Virgin Mary, heaven and hell, etc.) agreement is broad and debate is little (as opposed to, say, the Anglicans with their profound debates at present.

A key difference between Serbian and Croatian is alphabet -- Cyrillic for the former, Latin for the latter. In other domains, the "languages" (which actually number four: Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian and the emerging Montenegrin, plus the case of Macedonian, which is more similar to Bulgarian only because Tito selected a very distant dialect as the official language of that republic so as to dilute Serbian influence there - I'm sure our Serbian friend can expound on that theme) are quite similar. In the 19th century it was just one language, codified by Vuk Stefanović Karadžić and called Serbian. That country's long and tortured history has led to today's linguistic proliferation, but they're still by and large mutually intelligible and clearly political creations.

Now, there are actually dialects other than the standard Shtokavian, and differences do exist, but as I said, a lot of it is political -- for instance Croatia gave the days of the week Slavic names that no one uses and for a while tried subtitling Serbian programmes on TV until these were laughed off the air even by Croats.

By the way, do you know this template? I was thinking of doing something along those lines (see below) to indicate I'm not one of those people (you know who they are, the constant nationalist POV-pushers/edit warriors). But I should ask: a) do you like the idea? Would you put such a box on your page? b) can you improve the design/wording?

Biruitorul 03:27, 14 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Wonderful; I'm glad you like it. I actually think most nationalistic edit-warring involves two large Slavic countries to the north and east, but regardless, it's good to have. I'm sure you have many other things to read, but The Orthodox Church by Timothy Ware is the standard English-language introduction to the subject, and a rather good one at that. Best, Biruitorul 04:23, 14 July 2007 (UTC) reply

I'm more of a text than an images guy (and the text does tell the story in detail), so I for one would not raise particular objections to its removal. However, I'd keep up that message for a little while before removing it. I was also going to say that I'll pitch that userbox on the Romanian noticeboard, in case you want to do the same on the Hungarian one. Incidentally, the Romanian Wikipedia has a userbox promoting Hungarian-Romanian friendship, which we might try out here, though I for one support friendship among Romanian and Hungarian Wikipedians, but a cooler relationship between the actual countries (hence my Orbánophilia). Biruitorul 04:33, 14 July 2007 (UTC) reply

K. Lastochka has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian by Phaedriel, and so today is Lastochka's day! For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian, enjoy being the Star of the day today! Love, Phaedriel 03:54, 14 July 2007 (UTC) reply Delivered by —  $PЯIПG rαgђ  due to Phaedriel's short abscence. A record of your Day will always be kept here.

I'm glad you like it. :) I was wondering when she would do yours… ;) —  $PЯIПG rαgђ  04:35, 14 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Support - brilliant user, won't abuse the... wait, wait, it's not RFA, but I endorse. Will ^{( talk)} 15:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC) reply

I send you

my favourite piano concerto of your favourite composer: 1st part, 2nd part, 3rd part -- KIDB 10:31, 16 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Our friend anon is playing up again. How can one gently explain to him that if he wants to write a PhD thesis in broken English, then WP is not the place for it? -- Smerus 18:48, 16 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Heh, reminds me of an episode of Scrubs where Dr. Cox is trying so hard to avoid the Heat- Lakers score. And hey, I have to stay up until 2am if I want to watch sports on your side of the pond. (and btw, what episode are you on in the States?) Will ^{( talk)} 13:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Verily, forsooth, egads, I shall make said vow once this post is done (by the way, I agree, Doomsday was brilliant, especially the singy lady near the end.) Yes, Tennant is back for series 4, and the dark side is, tbh, a characteristic of ol' Ten (remember "No second chances"?). By the way, the finale is great, especially the score halfway through episode 13, which beats Doomsday's (which you won't get until September 28, assuming you're watching SciFi). In fact, "Song for Ten", "Doomsday", and (the unofficially titled) "Saxon's England" are pretty much my favourite songs, period. Anyway, I'm rambling now, so I best escape as fast as I can! Ciao! :) Will ^{( talk)} 17:20, 17 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Ooh, and I forgot to say: Being a geek isn't bad - remember, the geek shall inherit the earth :P Will ^{( talk)} 17:23, 17 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Ack, I suck at Wikibreaks. You should really whack me on the head >_> Oh, and Anonimu's been brought up on ANI (again?), best you should know.... Will ^{( talk)} 02:34, 20 July 2007 (UTC) reply

My dear K. Lastochka, I hope you liked the little gift and the surprise, even tho I wasn't here to notify you and relied on our beloved Cliff to give you the news! :) I've taken note of your references regarding poetry... so I said, why not gifting you another one?

	Elvadult tájon gázolok: Õs buja földön dudva, muhar. Ezt a vad mezõt ismerem, Ez a magyar Ugar. Lehajlok a szent humusig: E szüzi földön valami rág. Hej, égig nyúló giz-gazok, Hát nincsen itt virág? Vad indák gyürüznek körül, Míg a föld alvó lelkét lesem, Régmúlt virágok illata Bódít szerelmesen. Csönd van. A dudva, a muhar, A gaz lehúz, altat, befed S egy kacagó szél suhan el A nagy Ugar felett.
Endre Ady

I hope you've had a wonderful Day, and please, don't stay away from us for long... or we'll have to go for you and drag you back here! ;) Love you, Phaedriel - 19:55, 18 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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It's a truly magnificent read - I've just finished it within the last 20 minutes (I got it at midnight - there weren't any queues at all!) Will ^{( talk)} 04:55, 21 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Welcome back, by the way :) Will ^{( talk)} 18:08, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply

WP:CENSORED :P. Anyway, neither was I. But I so called on the Harry being a horcrux thing. By the way, imagine Luna as a Dark Lady: "You shall all bow before... ooh, a Crumple-Horned Snorkack! *skips off*". Gave me a laugh. Will ^{( talk)} 18:27, 23 July 2007 (UTC) reply

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Just ran across this (troubleshooting my headphones on YouTube) and thought you would like it [2]. BTW, someone posted an excellent newsreel source on the 56 article - its listed as public domain but Im not tempting fate...(yet) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Istvan ( talk • contribs)

Sorry, pervasive truth. —  $PЯIПG rαgђ  22:25, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Cross-posting! I'm very disappointed in you, Mr. Cliff. Will ^{( talk)} 22:34, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Well I knew you were both fans. :D Although by the time you unscramble the letters you may have already figured out what it means (i.e. read thru the end of the book). In that case never mind. —  $PЯIПG rαgђ  23:02, 22 July 2007 (UTC) reply

I'm horrible at anagrams. Help! ;-) K. Lásztocska 04:11, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Just finish the book and then you'll know. :P (Will probably already figured it out) ;) —  $PЯIПG rαgђ  14:27, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply

I DID finish it, otherwise why would I be online? ;-) K. Lásztocska 16:11, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Here's a clue (the same Cliff gave me) - the first word ends in "rry". Will ^{( talk)} 17:48, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply

(In code and in solution) —  $PЯIПG rαgђ  19:17, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply

I don't care if he's the fucking Queen of England, he shouldn't be using personal attacks. And I wrote a spiel about him on ANI about him not following core policies while you were on Spoiler-break. The guy really really should be banned. Will ^{( talk)} 20:18, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Signature test including link to my editor review: K. Lásztocska ^{Review me?} 22:21, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply

you must have missed the wiki policies about weasel words and unsourced claims. probably you should also read the one on the sources wikipedia should use. Anonimu 18:37, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply

i would very much like to see the article where i used "communist propaganda" to support my pov. as for npov, i'm the personification of that principle. let me see you put on a gang's blacklist and then agf about the members of that gang. Anonimu 18:47, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Uh, what the hell does your POV have anything to do with Harry Potter? At least try to edit the right section. Will ^{( talk)} 18:52, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Thanks--fixed it. ;-) K. Lásztocska 18:53, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply

I can quote instances when the capi of this gang have confessed harassing me or expressed their intention to do it in an organised way. Even if my edits may follow a certain subject, it's only because i don't want to put something wrong on wiki. the others light is clear: they have an agenda of imposing a nationalist (aka rowikipedian) POV. You're just an barbarian-recruited auxilia. I don't hide facts under euphemisms. People may not like it, but i won't adhere to the bourgeois infamy. Anonimu 19:18, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Personal attacks noted. K. Lásztocska 20:10, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply

i didn't know paranoia is contagious. Anonimu 20:15, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Yeah, I caught it from you. K. Lásztocska 21:58, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply

nope, you caught it from another guy... who is probably paranoid right now and will interpret this as a personal attack Anonimu 22:37, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Oh right, I caught it from Will and Springeragh! Now I have groupies too! ;-) K. Lásztocska ^{Review me?} 22:39, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Yeah, uh, I am kind of paranoid, now that you mention it :P Will ^{( talk)} 23:34, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply

You're hilarious, Anonimu. You make me laugh so hard my sides hurt. Ever consider becoming a comedian? —  $PЯIПG rαgђ  20:21, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Nope, in these days you have to be an animated family to get money from comedy. Anonimu 20:28, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply

It's worth a try then… —  $PЯIПG rαgђ  20:30, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply

You know, I would've put that on my userpage. VIVA ROMANIAN LOVING HUNGARIAN ULTRANATIONALISTS! :P Will ^{( talk)} 20:44, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply

That's "éljen", not "viva". :P K. Lásztocska ^{Review me?} 22:39, 24 July 2007 (UTC) reply

I'm not an admin, unfortunately. If I was, I would've banned the guy a long time ago. Will ^{( talk)} 00:05, 25 July 2007 (UTC) reply

It takes someone special to stand up to as many WikiBullies as you have. I hope you keep going for a long time. :) With love. —  $PЯIПG rαgђ  04:34, 25 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Speaking of WikiBullies

"You're an admin, aren't you? Any ideas what on earth should be done about this guy?" I took him to AN/I. — $PЯINGεrαgђ 15:09, 25 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Users don't own their user pages (a common misconception). Therefore, removing personal attacks is never vandalism. Will ^{( talk)} 16:26, 25 July 2007 (UTC) reply

It's a shame I'm not anymore... I do miss the tools. Will ^{( talk)} 16:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Messy affair regarding a Canadian, an ex-girlfriend of mine and a few nasty emails. Long story short, blocked the Canadian guy, then gave up my bit at the request of ArbCom. (it was still voluntary, though) Will ^{( talk)} 16:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC) reply

I'm kind of the same. Way too short of a temper I have these days. Will ^{( talk)} 16:40, 25 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Anonimu's been blocked, but Anittas is still on the loose... and he emailed Jimbo, presumably for clemency. If they keep going, there might be a strong case for a RFAR. Will ^{( talk)} 23:34, 25 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Well it isn't vandalism to remove a personal attack. However he has been blocked, although not indefinately. — $PЯINGεrαgђ 01:28, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Oh, and Spring, I love the sig :) Will ^{( talk)} 01:59, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Ack, this is more trouble than it's worth... Will ^{( talk)} 21:06, 26 July 2007 (UTC) reply

To be honest, if a userbox is likely to cause any offence, it shouldn't be there. WP:UP#NOT exists for a reason. Additionally, there is no free speech on Wikipedia - we are not Congress. We really should abide by the rules of Wikipedia, and especially when Jimbo himself has said "using userpages to attack people or campaign for or against anything or anyone is a bad idea.", we really should abide by that. The same applies for inappropriate content. Will ^{( talk)} 12:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Also, please can you refer me to one example where the word "nationalist" isn't used against another editor derogatorily? The reason I have such a hard stance against the use of that word is because of an RFA which had to be restarted because of people flinging that sort of word. I just can't simply AGF at people who use that sort of word. Will ^{( talk)} 12:59, 27 July 2007 (UTC) reply

You've got a brilliant point. While I'm still going to abide that I'm doing the right thing, I'm going to admit that I might've gone too far. It's just that I really don't like the word "nationalist" at all, because of the way it's used on Wikipedia. By the way, you're getting a barnstar. Will ^{( talk)} 15:32, 27 July 2007 (UTC) reply

		The Special Barnstar
		For having the courage to stand up against friends when they go too far. Will ( talk) 15:32, 27 July 2007 (UTC) reply

A patriot is a man who loves his country, whereas a nationalist is a man who hates everybody else's country.

—  Samuel Johnson (from Maurice27's userpage)

But yeah, I don't like how political terms have skewed meanings these days - like "Communism" - good ideal, but the term carries bad weight. Will ^{( talk)} 16:22, 27 July 2007 (UTC) reply

I was just including the quote because you said something like it, not because I agree :). And I agree with politicians been crooked sorts - which is why I'll probably be voting Monster Raving Loony next election :) (hey, lesser of seventy-three evils) Will ^{( talk)} 16:32, 27 July 2007 (UTC) reply

I'd so vote for them. I want free beer :P Will ^{( talk)} 17:21, 27 July 2007 (UTC) reply

By the way, I disagree with your reversions of the userbox removals (I've only found out just now) for obvious reasons, but I'm not going to revert you. I still think it's inappropriate content, though. Will ^{( talk)} 19:51, 27 July 2007 (UTC) reply

It would be nice of you to stand up to Anonimu, too; not because of the person, but because of the principle that lies behind it. He got his talkpage protected because of that userbox and banned for putting up a disclaimer similar to that userbox. He was never warned and no-one ever discussed anything with him priot to being banned. Your past conflicts with him should be of no issue. I've had worser conflicts with him than you did; and I probably will again, in the future. -- Thus Spake Anittas 04:54, 27 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Yes, I think it's stupid to block him for something that he was not guilty of, while having him cause havoc in other instances without much action taken against him. Not even he complained too much when he was blocked for editwarring (on articles, not his talkpage) and other stupidities; but this case is outrageous: both the block and the protection of the talkpage. It would be nice of you if you could try to have him unblocked. Thanks. -- Thus Spake Anittas 16:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Hello! Sorry for the late answer (summer practice at the hospital)... :) So IMHO, that banner is a reason to block someone. To call others nationalists and to say that "a lot of articles will become propaganda" are not kind things. It's true, I'd have done it in an other way, but that's not important now. There is the warning. I see no reason to unblock him before the expiring of the 1 week. NCurse _work 18:57, 30 July 2007 (UTC) reply

You're most welcome! I'm ok, working on my blogs and trying to construct my scientific future. :) I hope you're ok as well! NCurse _work 05:06, 31 July 2007 (UTC) reply

My Sindarin probably isn't good, so I shouldn't boast... But after I made similar names for some of my friends, I thought that you may have felt left out, so here's yours: "Cardhonduilin". It means, fittingly, "Swallow of the Castle". Will ^{( talk)} 01:13, 29 July 2007 (UTC) reply

And here is the tengwar, in Hungarian colours (though the flag is rotated 90 degs). Will ^{( talk)} 18:45, 29 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Will ^{( talk)} 18:45, 29 July 2007 (UTC) reply

LOL flipping the flag over like that makes it look Italian. :-) Looks cool though! K. Lásztocska ^{Review me?} 18:49, 29 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Well, in its normal place the only the ascenders and descenders would be coloured and you wouldn't be able to see the bulk. Will ^{( talk)} 21:25, 29 July 2007 (UTC) reply

It's no problem, I like Italy. K. Lásztocska ^{Review me?} 23:36, 29 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Yeah. Several wonderful culinary dishes originate there. That, and the architecture. Will ^{( talk)} 00:34, 30 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Fixed, I think... Will ^{( talk)} 21:07, 31 July 2007 (UTC) reply

Just create User talk:K. Lastochka/Archive 4. The archive box auto-updates. Will ^{( talk)} 22:54, 31 July 2007 (UTC) reply