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Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. I have noticed that some of your editing activity involves music genres, both how they are formatted and assigned. This includes the two edits of yours that I reverted on Agalloch. According to Template:Infobox album#Genre, "...most genres aren't proper nouns, and shouldn't be capitalized, but the first word in the list should be". Also, I reverted this edit because it is risky to assign a single genre to a band that is respectively ambiguous. For more information on genres, see the previously given link, and feel free to ask me or other people on Wikipedia any questions you have concerning the music pages or Wikipedia in genreal. Thank you, and have a nice day. Backtable ^{Speak to me} _{concerning my deeds.} 05:20, 5 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Hello. Thank you very much for your help. I'm new to Wikipedia and I need other users' help. Gazaneh ( talk) 05:27, 5 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Hey, no problem. I'm glad I could help. Backtable ^{Speak to me} _{concerning my deeds.} 05:39, 5 September 2011 (UTC) reply

OK. I'm glad too. Thanks again. Gazaneh ( talk) 05:45, 5 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Yeah, I can help you on that sort of thing. For help with the infobox, you can refer to Template:Infobox album with any curiosity that you have concerning the album infobox. There are several formats which track listings use, such as basic (like merely listing the titles and song lengths) and the more formatted one with the vertical lines; I have seen another page concerning track listing before, but I'm having trouble finding it right now. Also, you can look at featured articles to see what they have to offer, such as Wish You Were Here (Pink Floyd album) or Illinois (album). Thank you for your interest. Backtable ^{Speak to me} _{concerning my deeds.} 06:42, 16 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Thanks a lot. Gazaneh ( talk) 06:47, 16 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Hey, Gazaneh. Thank you for the barnstar that you gave me; I feel appreciated. Happy editing, and have a nice day. Backtable ^{Speak to me} _{concerning my deeds.} 05:59, 17 September 2011 (UTC) reply

You're welcome. Gazaneh ( talk) 12:18, 17 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Well, I looked at it and saw what was there. I feel that it is a fine article, and that your creation process was a nice way to navigate the article creation. I did tag the page for a possibly too short introduction, but the page has some good details about the band's history and releases. There is also sourcing I want to talk about; I removed two sources because they weren't reliable by Wikipedia's standards (see WP:Reliable sources) but I am fine with the other ones. And about sourcing official websites (like the official band website of Arctic Plateau and label website for Prophecy Productions), it is not recommended as a first resort to source such websites, yet is ultimately allowable for certain circumstances (I did not delete those from the page at this point). The page can always use some more information and sources, and I'm confident that that can be the case at least over time. One last thing I will address is notability. I have no reservations about stating that I am confident in the band's notability, considering the reliationship with Prophecy Productions. Good luck and thank you for your contributions. Backtable ^{Speak to me} _{concerning my deeds.} 21:14, 17 September 2011 (UTC) reply

OK. I consider your review notes about the article and try to improve and wikify the article.Thanks. Gazaneh ( talk) 02:14, 18 September 2011 (UTC) reply

All right, I checked out the Celestial Lineage page you created. Thanks for your addition. It's a fair article, but I personally think that it could be a little more in-depth; I added a part about how last month, "Woodland Cathedral" was posted on NPR. Cheers and happy editing. Backtable ^{Speak to me} _{concerning my deeds.} 22:03, 18 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Very well. I'll check it. Thanks again. Gazaneh ( talk) 02:05, 19 September 2011 (UTC) reply

It's cool you made another one. I will check and review the article next time I get on (which should be at around 8/9 PM UTC time), because I'm wrapping up right now and am about to go to bed. I will tell you want I think then. Thank you. Backtable ^{Speak to me} _{concerning my deeds.} 08:00, 21 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Thanks. New article: The Grey (Agalloch EP).

All right. Coming back from checking and editing it, I'll want to point out that some of the originally used sources weren't reliable by Wikipedia's standards. Metal-archives isn't due to the fairly free editing policies that it has, and Sputnikmusic reviews can be used if a staff member is writing it, as opposed to someone that is labelled as a user; in this case, the reviewer was a user. I added a little bit of information to the article, and it is kind of hard to find sources about this online. It would definitely be simpler if one of us owned a copy this (I don't know if you do, but I don't; on a slightly but not entirely unrelated note, though, I do own Pale Folklore). Cheers and thanks again for your contributions. Backtable ^{Speak to me} _{concerning my deeds.} 23:25, 21 September 2011 (UTC) reply

On observing and editing the various artists compilation you told me about, that was an interesting experience, to say the least. Again, reliable references detailing this album aren't quite abundant on google at least, because I came across a lot of different sites for downloading and torrents and that sort of weird stuff. Cheers. Backtable ^{Speak to me} _{concerning my deeds.} 06:51, 22 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Hello. Do not undo over 75 individual edits which somebody has spent hours doing. If you have a problem with a particular edit, take the diff/s of that edit and your explanation to the talk page, where I will discuss the edit. It is incumbent on you to articulate a reason for opposition to an edit. I will extend an assumption good faith in this first instance. Lebanese 876 ( talk) 03:56, 21 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Hi. I discussed in my edit summary why I reverted your edits. You did a lot of changes to the last revision. It's very good that you want to help and improve Persian language article. But this must done step by step. Every edit/change must reviewed. You did 75 edits and want us (me and other Wikipedians) to review them. It's not a good idea. The better method is one by one edit. For example, If you want to change country list, all of your edits must summarize into one edit to let other users review it and if reliable/reasonable, then accepted. If not, then reverted/edited. Gazaneh ( talk) 04:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC) reply

As I said in my initial post; if you have a problem with a particular edit or edits, it is incumbent on you to provide the diff/s of those edits and properly articulate your reason for opposing them, on the talk page, before undoing anything, otherwise your behaviour is disruptive and, one could argue, vandalism. If you do not have time or are too lazy to 'review' edits, then this does not give you the right to blanket revert several hours of other peoples work. It is within anyones right to make as many edits as they like to articles. Lebanese 876 ( talk) 04:20, 21 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Warning

The assumption of good faith has been proven to be misplaced. Now I extend a warning to you. If you choose to disregard the talk page and continue to revert all my edits on a whim, I will report you for vandalism and disruptive behaviour. Moreover, I will dedicate hours of my time to making sure justice is done, so this is your warning. Lebanese 876 ( talk) 04:36, 21 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Warning?! :It's not a good idea to a attack other users with this way. If you are aware of vandalism, then you must aware of your recent edits. Your edits are reviewed and all of them must reverted. Article version history shows everything. Then there is no need to insult me by the words like "vandalism" and "disruptive" to make your work reasonable. Other users and administrator will judge and decide what to do. Gazaneh ( talk) 04:39, 21 September 2011 (UTC) reply

I discussed my work and your work in the Persian language talk page. So other Wikipedian will decide. Gazaneh ( talk) 05:12, 21 September 2011 (UTC) reply

These edits are not vandalism, Lebanese 876. Vandalism has a very very specific meaning on Wikipedia, which you can read at WP:VANDAL.

That being said, Gazaneh, you can't just revert someone's edits just because they didn't discuss them first. You need to specifically and clearly state what was wrong with those edits on the article's talk page. Qwyrxian ( talk) 06:00, 21 September 2011 (UTC) reply

OK. Thanks. But I reviewed them and I decided to revert all changes and restored previous revision before her/his vast changes. You mean I must undoing/reverting them one by one? Gazaneh ( talk) 06:06, 21 September 2011 (UTC) reply

NO, they and I mean you must fully articulate what your problem is with which edit/s and why, and engage me in discussion about them, before a decision is made about whether the edit stands or not. This is the fourth(?) time I have explained this to you, and you keep ignoring me and mass reverting my edits. Do things properly. Lebanese 876 ( talk) 08:01, 21 September 2011 (UTC) reply

@Qwyrxian, If you follow my reaction to his mass-reversion of my edits, by reading the messages I have written here and on the article's talk page, you will see that what I said is his mass-reversion of my edits at a whim while refusing to articulate a rationale for opposition to any particular edit/s is vandalism and disruptive behaviour. When I have spent hours of my time improving an article and correcting many factual errors and this is mass-reverted by someone refusing to articulate why - that is vandalism. Lebanese 876 ( talk) 08:09, 21 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Read your talk page, articles discussion, and your false report. Everything explained. Gazaneh ( talk) 08:20, 21 September 2011 (UTC) reply

You need to do the reading here kiddo. Lebanese 876 ( talk) 09:15, 21 September 2011 (UTC) reply

We can just keep this at the article talk page, Lebanese 876, but, the short version is, you're wrong, and being unreasonable, uncollegial, and fighting against collaboration. Qwyrxian ( talk) 09:25, 21 September 2011 (UTC) reply

@Gazaneh, I see you have finally done what I had asked you to. Well done. Now we can discuss the matter at the talk page. Lebanese 876 ( talk) 09:59, 21 September 2011 (UTC) reply

I have responded to the points you raised. Lebanese 876 ( talk) 10:56, 21 September 2011 (UTC) reply

OK. I will answer. Gazaneh ( talk) 11:22, 21 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Replied. Lebanese 876 ( talk) 11:49, 21 September 2011 (UTC) reply

It's a good idea to have a similar country list like Kurdish language article. Gazaneh ( talk) 12:42, 21 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Replied on talk page. Lebanese 876 ( talk) 13:01, 21 September 2011 (UTC) reply

I will start this page soon: List of countries by Persian-speaking population. Lebanese 876 ( talk) 13:02, 21 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Good. I marked Persian language in my watchlist. So I'll notified when you write something in the talk page. So there is no need to notify me in my talk page. I'll check it regularly. Also I will add your new article to my watchlist for the future. Gazaneh ( talk) 13:31, 21 September 2011 (UTC) reply

All music related talks. Gazaneh ( talk) 05:33, 24 September 2011 (UTC) reply

RE: New article for a band: Woods of Desolation

That's a good question. I do have some concerns about Woods of Desolation meeting the notability requirements here, but I don't want to blatantly say that the band isn't notable; it could be. The band has released two albums (albeit on labels that don't have Wikipedia articles yet), and Tim Yatras has worked for the band before; both those facts can be significant in determining whether or not this band should have an article. You can read the notability guidelines for musicians and ensembles and make your own conclusion with those in mind. While reading that criteria, though, it's important to state that not all of those criteria have to be met to have articles make it on Wikipedia. For instance, a lot of the music we deal with would not be realistically expected to make it into charts such as Billboard 100 (to name one chart example), which is what one of the options deals with. I won't say yay or nay, but the article could possibly stand a chance if enough reliable sourcing/covevrage is applied; I will share, though, that if I were to see the article stay on Wikipedia, I totally wouldn't mind. Peace. Backtable ^{Speak to me} _{concerning my deeds.} 07:49, 24 September 2011 (UTC) reply

According to WP:DEPROD, anybody may contest a PROD by removing it. If you think the article should be deleted, you will have to take it to WP:AFD. Favonian ( talk) 13:36, 26 September 2011 (UTC) reply

OK. Thanks. Gazaneh ( talk) 13:39, 26 September 2011 (UTC) reply

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