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Hello. You recently reverted an edit I made. It is true that I did not cite a reference (yet), but Adam Curry has announced the separation which has been cited on his page. It appears that the reference should be copied over from there. Please undo your reversion. Kyle (talk) 03:21, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
- Kyle: Thanks for the note about your changes and the proper references. After your post I did more research and downloaded the show in question. I'm glad to put your changes back, but there were other updates needed as it seems they haven't finalized a divorce yet, but are merely separated pendidng divorce. Therefore, I made some new changes on the page. Take a look and let's edit from there, as appropriate. By the way, next time you should add your message/comments on Talk page for the article in question (this keeps things in context for all to see). FCGreg ( talk) 09:16, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm writing in regards to User_talk:AllOriginalBubs#December_2019. I agree with your concern that this claim is not sufficiently backed up with reliable sources. That said, the original claim that "Curry is widely credited for popularizing the podcast medium" is, as far as I can tell not backed up by the article either. If we take the number of downloads as a measurement for popularity, this snippet of the article is relevant:
Over the next 36 hours, roughly 50,000 people download the show
Compare with Serial's listening figures as posted as Variety:
The original “Serial” first season took seven weeks to reach 10 million downloads, setting a record at the time in reaching that milestone.
Another source from CNN:
3.4 million - The average number of times each episode of "Serial" has been downloaded, as of December 22, 2014.
Curry was definitely one of the most significant figures in the early days of podcasting when tech enthusiasts first got their hands on it. But most media sources I have seen credit Serial with popularizing podcasts and bringing it to a mainstream audience. Therefore, I suggest to either remove the claim that Curry is widely credited with popularizing the medium as it lacks nuance or update it to better put the popularity of his podcasts into perspective. -- AllOriginalBubs ( talk) 21:44, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- AllOriginalBubs - I believe the referenced article strongly supports the statement, "Curry is widely credited for popularizing the podcast medium," since the article focuses on him heavily for at least half of the written story/paragraphs, and much of the rest talks about how the podcast medium he created (perhaps with Dave Winer) was beginning to explode in his wake. Furthermore, this article was written near the beginning of the podcast explosion in 2005... the Serial podcast didn't happen until late 2014, and while it was very popular in its own right, has nothing to do with the merits of Curry's history and launching of podcasting as a medium IMHO. ~ FCGreg ( talk) 06:25, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
- I think we both agree that Curry was a key figure in the early success of podcasting as a medium among tech enthusiasts. It's completely fair that the article mentions that. All I'm saying is that in 2005, listening to podcasts was still a fairly obscure hobby compared to the mainstream successes of podcasts like Serial years later. Only a tiny fraction of today's podcast consumers are going to know who the Podfather is and recognize names like Comic Strip Blogger, Geoff Smith, Mark Yoshimoto Nemcoff, CC Chapman, the Satellite Repairman, Anji Bee or any of his other Daily Source Code regulars. That's the perspective I was missing. –- AllOriginalBubs ( talk) 07:57, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
I added August Dvorak as a relative to the infobox because it was mentioned in the "Early life" section, including a reference I assumed supported the claim. However, I just checked the source, and it doesn't appear to actually prove this. If that's the case, the information needs to be removed from there as well, or at least tagged with "Citation needed".
As for removing the link to Dvorak's native country, I did so because most biographical articles don't appear to link the country of birth in the infobox. ★ The Green Star Collector ★ ( talk) 12:55, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply. I agree with you; either the reference needs to be solid in the main text or the information should be removed from both locations. I did some digging through the reference you mentioned (to the Jerry Pournelle article). It took quite a bit of reading, but I finally found the referenced material on Page 375 (printed page #). It says: "...but our immediate superior was Dr. August Dvorak, professor of sociology, inventor of the Dvorak keyboard, and uncle of the columnist John Dvorak."
- While this is a casual mention, there are also references that support Jerry Pournelle personally knowing John C. Dvorak, and I believe this information is reliable. If you agree, it would probably be a good idea to add this information to both articles (e.g., also to Dr. August Dvorak page). FCGreg ( talk) 01:03, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
- I would definitely support adding the information to both pages, so long as the citation is provided with the page number. (That would also make the claim a lot easier to find...) Thanks for reaching out to me. ★ The Green Star Collector ★ ( talk) 02:53, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
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