Salam Ebrahimi-amir. I saw in the Turkic peoples page that you uploaded a map of Turkic minority in Iran. Is the map accurate? because that's a big chunk of Iran with Turkic majority. And btw is turkification in Iran still growing? :) thanks Arablinguist ( talk) 15:49, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello arablinguist. I'm a lurker but I wanted to make an account to answer your question. Apologies for the stupid username, its all i could think of at the moment lol. Regarding your question, i saw the map that you were referring to. I must say that its inaccurate. I think Ebhrahimi Amir exaggerated the distribution of turkic minority communities in Iran. Perhaps he's a turkic nationalist of some sort, definitely with a twisted agenda. As for the second part of your question, i dont understand entirely what you mean. Irans population is growing, which includes the growth of the persian majority population (which is rapidly increasing), as well as the growth of minority kurdish, azari (turkic), balochi and luri populations. Pretty much similar growth rates. So yes the minority populations (e.g. kurdish, baloch, lur and azari/turkic) of Iran are growing, but the persian majority population is also growing at a similar rate. To-arablinguist ( talk) 14:28, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
- Contrary to your opinion Turkic people in Iran are not "minority".
- According to Ahmed KASRAVI (November 1922):
| “ | It is difficult to decide these days whether there, are more Turks than Persians. This can only be decided after a census is taken which distinguishes Turks from Persians, but the Iranian government has not to this day conducted such a census of its citizens or the population of its provinces, let alone distinguish Persian from Turk. His estimation generally inclines the author to the belief that the majority is Turks, but we will not speculate idly, but stick to the research we have conducted which we present below, with general and approximate figures.
1) Azerbaijan, which is the largest of Iran's four provinces,' and Iran's most important. It has a population of one and a half million souls, and the district of Khamse, which is generally populated, among its nomads and settled people, its villages and its cities, by Turks (along with a small minority of Mokri Kurds in Azerbaijan who speak Kurdish) who do not understand Persian until they are taught it by a teacher or an official. 2) Most villages and tribes in the provinces of Khorasan and Fars and the districts of Hamadan and Qazvin and NIraq and Astarabad are Turks, and travelers wandering the streets and alleys of Tehran have been astonished at seeing the villagers walking about speaking in Turkish. Some of these had migrated from Azerbaijan and Khamse in recent years and stay in the cities and no longer consider themselves to be from their land of origin, but from these cities. 3) As for the other parts of Iran, the majority of the people there are not Turks, but there are many among the tribesmen and villagers who are. An exception is the province of Kerman and the districts of Gilan, Mazandaran, Kurdestan, Lurestan, etc., in which there are no Turks except those who have migrated there recently, and they do not consider themselves to be true residents of these provinces. That Russian adage is true which says, "There is no reed without a knob." Indeed, Mazandaran has two Turkish tribes, along with their clans, and in Sari, the capital of that district, over twenty Turkish clans which have migrated from all over Iran and settled there, and they no longer speak Turkish. We have decided (as we have said) to explain nothing except what can be explained with Arabic numerals, and estimations and speculation are absolutely unsatisfactory. |
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Source: THE TURKISH LANGUAGE IN IRAN By Ahmed KASRAVI,latimeria: Prof. Dr. Evan Siegal, Journal of Azerbaijani Studies, 1998, Vol. 1, No 2, [6] , Khazar University Press , ISSN 1027-387
And official source about Iranin languges:
| “ | On December 15, 2009, Iranian minister of education, Mr. Hamidreza Haji-Babayi, revealed that 70% of Iranian students were bilingual. What this means is that Farsi/Persian is the natural mother tongue to only 30% of Iranian students. In other words, 70% of Iran’s population is non-Persian. And just a few weeks ago, on 18th January 2012, during an official visit to Turkey, Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi confirmed that 40 percent of Iran’s population spoke Turkish as their mother tongue. Despite this fact, the Iranian government along with the majority of Persian intellectuals, scholars and even human rights activists continue to disregard the country’s rich ethnic, racial and linguistic diversity. | ” |
Source: Language, Colonization and Decolonization: Examples from Iran Alireza Asgharzadeh. -- Ebrahimi-amir ( talk) 04:58, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
To "To-Arablinguist": Lol, of all names to choose from, you had to choose this? No worries sir/ma'am. Thanks for your answer. I'm inclined to believe what you're saying. I did my homework and I agree with your response. I also think Ebrahimi-Amir exaggerated the figures and distribution of the Turkic peoples, which is why I was concerned about the accuracy of his map. Yes you understood the second part of my question fairly well. I wanted to know if the minority populations, especially the Turkic, was growing alongside the growth of the other Iranian populations (e.g. Persian, etc). So thanks for clarifying that.
BTW I have seen Turkic nationalists severely exaggerate the population of Turks in Arab countries as well, e.g. Iraq and Syria. So it wouldn't surprise me if certain Turkic nationalists are exaggerating the population of Turkics in Iran as well. Unfortunately nationalists always fabricate numbers in order to make their position appear stronger. Arablinguist ( talk) 00:31, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
To "Ebrahimi-Amir": I'm afraid your sources are weak and prone to nationalistic bias. BTW I love reading about the Turkic peoples but I don't like it when people falsify truth. I've seen Turks exaggerate their population size in Syria and Iraq, and now I'm seeing Turks exaggerate their population size in Iran. It's ruining your reputation. Arablinguist ( talk) 00:31, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
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Sizə bir qədər şirinlik lazımdır. Mübahisələrdə çox da vaxt itirməyin N KOzi Talk 08:50, 7 July 2012 (UTC) |
Hello Ebrahimi-amir. Your new map is being discussed at User talk:EdJohnston#Nationalist self made map by User:Ebrahimi-amir. You may respond there if you wish. At first glance, this map looks worrisome. It seems like it might have been created to insert a point of view that can't be substantiated from reliable sources. Thank you, EdJohnston ( talk) 01:48, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
- Hello. I will wright answer in article talk page.-- Ebrahimi-amir ( talk) 16:02, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Please note I am citing you for violating your condition for being unbanned and making controversial ethnic edits. I am seeking enforcement for violation of your terms. You may respond in this link: [1] -- Xodabande14 ( talk) 02:40, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Reminder, please see here: [2] -- Xodabande14 ( talk) 16:03, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Your maps in wiki commons (the nationalistic ones) should be deleted. Because it is not really correct to use it in other Wikipedias, specially the ones you are involved and there is no opposition to such nationalistic tendencies (like Azeri wikipedia). I do not care about ethnicity or religion but all Wikipedia needs to be kept WP:RS and free from nationalistic POV pushing. No one chooses the language, religion or race they are born in and the superior person is the one with most humanity. So my disagreement with you was based on making maps that are nationalistic. Thanks. -- Xodabande14 ( talk) 14:38, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
- After a few days, the new map will replace the previous map.-- Ebrahimi-amir ( talk) 15:11, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
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Your banned from any Iran, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Armenia (regional stuff) per the decision above. But I do think I can help you... I offered my suggestions on Azerbaijani people's page as there were some progress. It is very small edit which matches
WP:RS, which I have mentioned in the talkpage ("mixed areas" should "linguistic minority" and there was minor issue with Toviskaran, Assabad, Nahavand and Malayer per the Ostaandaari source (which encompasses the whole province)). Please email me the new link for the map (see my suggestions) or/and put it in my talkpage. Then a good word can be put in for you and your appeal (if you wish) might be successful. Also in one of your maps, you have translated "Aqwaam" (ethnic groups) to "nations" (in English). That is falsifying the sources
[3]. Melal is nations but Aqwam means ethnic group. One must translate things exactly as they are, and not what they wish! --
Xodabande14 (
talk) 15:18, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
![[3]](/info/en/?search=File:Language_in_boundries_Iran.jpg){kind=link}
FYI, [4]. I put map 3 online. Anyhow, you asked for consensus after the AE report (not before) and you still have a lot of nationalistic maps in Wiki commons which should be deleted . I do believe that a time-out of 6 months is a good things in order for you not to make nationalist edit warring. Nothing personal but your behavior wastes a lot of time for people who want accurate information (e.g. is the map that colors Qom and Nagorno-Karabagh the same as East Azerbaijan.). I hope you do well. -- Xodabande14 ( talk) 14:58, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
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On numerous articles I have seen your attempts to push your twisted Pan-Turk agenda, this is Wikipedia, a page where unbiased and valid information is spread. Not falsified history or political agendas, the fact that you say you are from "South Azerbaijan" is enough to confirm you are a Pan-Turk from Aran. Stop your actions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Migboy123 ( talk • contribs) 07:31, 20 April 2019 (UTC)