Heh, I'd just done a revision of the above that weighed in at 186, but I like that better anyway. :) Though, my ever-working need to tweak...

Doyley Talk

[[User:Doyley|<span style="color:#000;background:#c0c0c0;text-decoration:none;padding:0 4px">Doyley</span>]][[User talk:Doyley|<strong style="color:#fff;background:#000;padding:0 4px">Talk</strong>]]

Now it's just 199 characters, and you can tweak the spacing on either side by upping or lowering the "4px" value. EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:29, 6 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Oh, and completely unrelated to sigs, I'd recommend switching to a different browser, such as Firefox or Safari; IE is fraught with security problems and CSS quirks. Then again, I'm highly biased against IE, as I do web development professionally; you'll never meet anyone that does any amount of CSS coding that doesn't hate IE with a burning passion. :D EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:30, 6 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Thanks, I've replaced it with your version. I know what you mean, I am a professional PHP developer. I use IE simply because almost all of my clients do and I need to know how it will look on their browser. I have a dual boot with Linux on my computer though that uses Firefox. I hate MS so I understand you biase ;-) Doyley Talk 16:43, 6 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Yeah, the only reason I use IE is to test out sites. I use a Mac, but I don't have an Intel machine (otherwise I'd install Windows *just* for testing sites in IE). I use a website called Browsercam to do all my testing, since I can quickly and easily check it on a wide range of browsers relatively quickly. It's not as good as running it natively, but definitely works well in a pinch (there's a free trial if you want to test it out before putting any money down). EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:54, 6 October 2007 (UTC) reply

I love getting a barnstar with a smiley face for it and having it be for hating something with you. Wonderful juxtaposition there. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:55, 6 October 2007 (UTC) reply

I particularly liked the second comment. Finally I have an excuse for why my article writing has so many typos in it - I'm encouraging new people to start contributing... WjB scribe 19:45, 6 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Trust me, I can justify just about any kind of mistake. Just hit me up with your next debacle, and I'll find the silver lining in it somehow. For example, you just wanted to see if anyone was paying attention. Looks like your test worked.
(See? It's easy! :D)

Seriously though, I have to admit to having some serious reservations about the idea when I first saw the RfA name, but upon reading your argument, I was convinced that it wouldn't be an issue. I think having such a highly restricted purpose helps to alleviate most of the concerns people may have (though obviously not all). I think you are handling this push for an admin bot very well. EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:01, 6 October 2007 (UTC) reply

ALthough I too have asked for updates to a section or thread, I was thoroughly confused as to why he wanted a personal engraved report, esp. in light of the fact that he knew that the editor had been blocked... ThuranX 06:10, 7 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Eh, seems to be a bit of poor wording; looks like a note to AN/I would have been sufficient for him. That said, I can easily understand why a note wouldn't have been dropped in the AN/I thread at all. EVula // talk // ☯ // 06:16, 7 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Well, a couple of that sort of embarrassing situation and he'll learn to figure new ways to check for action on a topic, I've done followups, seen it's resolved, and just asked for admisn to close out a thread; now I use that sort or 'status' requests more to get clarifications where a thread seems to have gone into serious discussion for a day or more, then stopped abruptly, and seemingly in the middle, without a clear resolution. that sort of 'what's happening with this problem now?' often gets good summaries, or action moving again, which I think makes for better archives, which in turn makes citation of earlier sections easier and better evidence. ThuranX 06:35, 7 October 2007 (UTC) reply

EVula,
Thank you very much for your contributions to the Animaniacs article. I have just nominated the article for featured article candidacy, so if you want to express any concern about the article's quality, please do so here. Thanks again, Gak Blimby 19:43, 7 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Dear Sir- as an Admin for wikipedia you do realize that you represent wikipedia in every way. For me, you are an official mouthpiece. Thus, I wish to inform you that I am highly offended at your lack of civility and seemingly laughing at me and my very valid concerns. I have read through your request for beurcraticship and it seems many, many others share this concern. I must say it has been substantiated. Additionally, I feel that your levity in dealing with my concerns is unprofessional and unbecoming someone who is an admin. Bstone 04:33, 8 October 2007 (UTC) reply

First and foremost, admins are not official mouthpieces. You are, of course, free to think of me as one. You'd be wrong, but you're still free to think so.

Secondly, while I'm sorry you're offended, you've demonstrated absolutely no understanding of the purpose for AN/I, or what the proper channels for dispute resolution are. Furthermore, I find your instance that massive changes be made simply because you got confused at what a warning message meant incredibly self-centered and arrogant. You're making borderline personal attacks [1] [2] and then attempting to pin blame on someone else; I can honestly say that I have very little regard for both your editing attitude and your opinion of me.

The issues raised in my RfB are completely different from my dealings with you; while I appreciate your attempt at constructive criticism so I may better improve as both an editor and as an admin (which I'm actually quite receptive to, in all actuality), I've received far too little feedback similar to your own to feel that this is anything but an isolated incident (and if you want to bring my RfB into it, I'd like to point out that even those that opposed my becoming a 'crat praised my work as an administrator). Given what little direct interaction I've had with you and what I've observed, I think the issue here has very little to do with myself.

I am often light-hearted and friendly in my comments because, let's face it, this is just a website; I dunno about you, but I've got much better things to get worked up about. If my attitude offends you, all I can do is apologize for both the past offenses and the most assuredly future ones as well, as I'm certainly not going to change any time soon. EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:23, 8 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Addendum: if you truly think I'm out of line, and other editors agree with you, I wouldn't be opposed to putting myself up for re-confirmation as an administrator. EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:47, 8 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Interesting how you accuse me of making "making borderline personal attacks" and in the same paragraph you state that I am "self-centered and arrogant". Truly, wikipedia needs no admins who deal with serious situation with levity and personal insults. Bstone 07:06, 8 October 2007 (UTC) reply

I'm stating my opinion, not stating that someone's edits are vandalism. There's a difference; the fact that you see nothing wrong with your own commentary is the crux of the issue. EVula // talk // ☯ // 13:55, 8 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Hey dude, just as a heads up, I've moved your comment in this RfA to the discussion area. [3] Anon users are most certainly allowed to participate in RfAs :)  Dihydrogen Monoxide ( H₂O) 08:41, 8 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Ah, anon comments are allowable in the Discussion area, but not in the actual !voting area (as it says on Wikipedia:Requests for adminship, "Any Wikipedian with an account is welcome to comment in the Support, Oppose, and Neutral sections"). Good move. EVula // talk // ☯ // 13:57, 8 October 2007 (UTC) reply

At this point, I'm seeing it as disruption on Doczilla's part. No one else ever commented on the case, and it appears pretty much over (I even lefted a response there verifying what I'll do from now on). What do you think? I'm willing to move on but he is reverting the messages back on my talk page. Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 19:17, 8 October 2007 (UTC) reply

What is he even talking about? Is this related to the Bstone stuff too? EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:51, 8 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Not related to that, Doczilla ( talk · contribs · logs) has backed off for now. I don't know what he was trying to prove by shoving that crap back in my user talk page when he is aware that the dispute is over, but he likes being disruptive I guess. Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 20:18, 8 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Ah, okay. Thought I'd seen his name in conjunction with the above somewhere, but I could be mistaken. EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:31, 8 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Did the ANI post list the phone number? Nobody said they would call. The link is dead. I am willing to call if it seems like there is an emergency. Possible prank? Yes. Could someone die? Possible. Mrs.EasterBunny 20:06, 8 October 2007 (UTC) reply

To butt in here, the edit was oversighted. Ask User:Eliz81 for details; she was the original poster. I saw the link, the edit went something like this: "Why do I cut myself...call *number* if you think you can help" on a talk page (can't remember which one right now). As I said in the ANI thread, there is the possibility that s/he is serious. Love, Neranei (talk) 20:09, 8 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Emphasis on "possible". And by "possible", I mean "practically certain". The amount of drama surrounding this is astounding. EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:49, 8 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Indeed there is, but all I'm saying is that this could be someone's cry for help. There have been incidences of stuff like this. Perhaps they don't have anyone to talk to. Yes, it is a long shot, but things that aren't likely do happen. Love, Neranei (talk) 20:53, 8 October 2007 (UTC) reply

It could be; I'll grant you that much. But considering the insanely silly furor that's been generated over this and the tone of the IP's posts, the only remorse I feel is about the time being squandered on it, rather than for the potential loss of life. EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:57, 8 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Yes, there is much too much drama. Someone needs to take care of it; either establish whether or not it's a hoax, and be done with it. Neranei (talk) 20:59, 8 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Comments like "unblock me NOW before i slit my throat" (on the now-deleted talk page) most definitely mark this as an attempt at getting attention. The sooner everyone moves on, the better. EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:30, 8 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the block... but how exactly did you become aware of this? It's like you came out of the blue. Just wondering. Gscshoyru 04:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC) reply

I felt a disturbance in the Force... also, it was reported to AIV. [4] EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:31, 10 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Only 48 hours? I would have indef'd until they retract (and was going to until I saw you already blocked them)... but meh. On a related note, after hearing the same disturbance in the force, I removed the text that was the root of the problem per WP:V and WP:BLP. If someone finds a WP:RS it can go back in.-- Isotope23 ^talk 13:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Actually, I'm still considering that indef as they mailed en-unblock essentially asking for an unblock so they can gather diffs to send to their council. I'm not too keen on a block expiring on someone with an outstanding legal threat. Thoughts?-- Isotope23 ^talk 13:08, 10 October 2007 (UTC) reply

This is my first legal threat block, so I'm willing to admit that I was wrong to downgrade the block. Feel free to override me if you feel it appropriate to do so. EVula // talk // ☯ // 13:25, 10 October 2007 (UTC) reply

I'm going to restore the indef for now. I'd rather not set an arbitrary time until this is sorted out... though I have no problem at all with an immediate unblock if they retract.-- Isotope23 ^talk 13:34, 10 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Excellent, thanks for cleaning up after me. :)
I'm thinking that {{ uw-lblock}} needs to be updated; the only reason I backed the block down was that I saw the template said "temporary", and jumped to a confusion about needing to down the block a bit. Perhaps it should say nothing at all about the block duration, since it's an indefinite block, but may be removed at any time. EVula // talk // ☯ // 14:40, 10 October 2007 (UTC) reply

WP:LEGAL suggests that while a threat is outstanding, the person should not be editing wikipedia. Personally, I tend to apply that as indef blocks that are immediately removed when the party recinds their legal threat. As long as they are pursuing legal action they are opting to follow a path of resolution that is inconsistent with them editing here. I think the "temporary" wording is there to suggest that it isn't necessarily a permanent block, but yeah... that might be better if clarified.-- Isotope23 ^talk 14:47, 10 October 2007 (UTC) reply

A couple new episodes - we're posting the infobox to save duplicating info.

For the podcast crew -- Tawkerbot 20:34, 11 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Hello EVula, I do believe this is the first time we've talked directly! G'day from Australia :) Well I have a question regarding Tangobot, as the user who made it seems to be inactive, therefore how does the bot run if there is no user to run it? This probably is a silly question. But I’m confused :S Phgao 05:27, 13 October 2007 (UTC) reply

While Tangotango certainly isn't active on Wikipedia in the sense that he's making edits currently, he's most definitely around; when I emailed him about a minor detail about Tangobot, I got a response almost immediately. I think he's at least watching his bot. EVula // talk // ☯ // 06:06, 13 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Ah right! A clever distinction. Phgao 06:50, 13 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Er.. yes I tried to be bold and closed this RfA after consulting with the editor beforehand here, hope I did everything right, would you kindly check? Phgao 09:26, 13 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Yup, looks like you did everything properly. Good job. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 14:00, 13 October 2007 (UTC) reply

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Yay! I'll be sure to keep my May open next year. EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:12, 15 October 2007 (UTC) reply

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Hypocondriac says thank you for typing in his Talk page and that he and EVula are good friends —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hypocondriac ( talk • contribs) 12:29, 16 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Heyhey EVula, I left you a comment on my talk page on faroese wiki. In short, your right, thanks for letting me realise its silly to keep language templates protected! :) cheers -- Girdi 17:02, 17 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the welcome and the response. :) (and, for that matter, dropping me a line here) EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:39, 17 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Please do not block this user name. I'm sorry for all of the socks I have made. And I confess. TimySmidge Jr. is me. In fact, I have no children, as I am only 12 years old. As for BlackShadowWriter, Block Me Now Please, and Darn it all, they are also me. I am sorry for these socks and will never do it again. Please do not consider this username a sock, but rather a temporary replacement. If you unblock my real user name, you can block this one. Once again, I'm sorry. -- TimySmidge 20:10, 17 October 2007 (UTC) reply

How about this: you can go back to making constructive editing (no personal article forking in your userspace, no misuse of Fair Use images, etc) with this username, and you stop using any alternate accounts. This way, you've got a bit of a "clean slate", so to speak. That sound good? EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:14, 17 October 2007 (UTC) reply

That would be okay, but I really don't like having the second "m". Also, why do you and Sesshomaru always talk all the time together? -- TimySmidge 20:18, 17 October 2007 (UTC)I'm truley sorry reply

What about "Timy Smidge"? If you can't register the account because it is too close to your old username, I could create it for you.
As for my conversations with Sesshomaru, I talk with him because he's left messages for me; I generally try to respond to everyone that posts here (and that needs a response; a simple "thanks" doesn't really need one). EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:54, 17 October 2007 (UTC) reply

I recently decided to make my signature more interesting and this was an experiment, your suggestions are great though. I'm going to go ahead and clean it up based on your advice. I owe you one! -- Atama sama 19:20, 18 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Sure thing, no problem. If you come up with anything else, feel free to drop me a line and I can take a look at the code; I've got a pretty good track record of trimming down signatures that are hitting the maximum number of characters that the system allows. EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:27, 18 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Can you delete Jon Richardson, comedian? It currently targets to the page I moved it to, Jon Richardson (entertainer)‎. I corrected all of the pages it linked to. None of these names carry such an article title. Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 04:06, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Redirect deleted, though you did miss the one on Jon Richardson. All taken care of. EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:58, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Oh, sorry about that. I'm exausted yet there's still so, so much to do. Think I'll stop for tonight. Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 06:37, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply

No worries, I've made similar mistakes. You can also tag pages with {{ db}} and explain why it should be deleted, and someone will take care of it. EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:07, 19 October 2007 (UTC) reply

What is this User:Malomeat/CO TIER LIST? A sandbox? I'm sure the user page is valid. Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 03:25, 22 October 2007 (UTC) reply

I have no clue what the hell that's supposed to be... Malomeat seems to be making actual edits, and as long as people are actively contributing to the encyclopedia, I'm inclined to give them a bit of leeway on their userspace, but that's just confusing. You could always ask them directly, I suppose. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 03:53, 22 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Thanks, I learn something new every day. The truth is, I doubt anyone would ever leave me a message on Meta, but I'm kind of anal retentive extremely interested in having a very organized system in place. You have no idea how crushed I was when I discovered earlier today that for some reason, after getting it just so, I couldn't use this on Meta, Commons, Wiktionary, or really anywhere at all except on the English Wikipedia. -- barneca ( talk) 01:16, 23 October 2007 (UTC) reply

My userpage is almost exactly the same across 170+ accounts. Trust me, if anyone understands the desire to have all your userpages standardized, it's me. :D
Why can't you use that header elsewhere? I'm able to use m:User:EVula/header across everything (except non-WMF wikis), though it doesn't use the same imagemap format that yours does. EVula // talk // ☯ // 03:17, 23 October 2007 (UTC) reply

I don't know yet. I spent a bit of Friday, and much of this afternoon, simply playing in my userspace, a guilty pleasure I allowed myself for the first time in a long time. In a few days, I might borrow some of your header code and see if it's the imagemap stuff that's screwing it up. I can't remember where I stole this code from, I think from the standard admin icon, so there might be some en.wikipedia-specific stuff in there that I just don't understand (I have my suspicions about class="metadata topicon"). A lot of this syntax is pretty far over my head, and I'm just doing stuff by trial and error, learning as I go.
BTW: 170+ ?!?!?!? -- barneca ( talk) 03:33, 23 October 2007 (UTC) reply

By all means, borrow away; when I introduced my little wikimedian icon, it caught the attention of several other editors (like Alison and hmwith). Sharing is always a good thing. :)
The "metadata topicon" bit shouldn't affect the actual functionality of the header; those are just the CSS classes that, even though they aren't likely duplicated on other wikis, shouldn't be the breaking culprit. If you need any help sorting through your code, just drop me a line.
Yeah, 170+... I, uh, get around. *cough* I like maintaining interwiki links (the "in other languages" section to the side of some pages). Doing so takes me all over the place; why, just today, I created a Javanese account (though it was so I could do a grammar correction). EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Turns out (in retrospect, not terribly surprisingly) it was the "display:none" in the div style line. No idea why it was in there to begin with, except it was in whoever's admin icon code I stole. Also not sure why something marked "display:none" actually displays on w:en at all, but it doesn't matter: I've replaced all the code with a modfication from your icon, including the much cleaner {{ click}} template. You're now imortalized in tiny print at the bottom of my user page. Thanks for your help. -- barneca ( talk) 18:23, 23 October 2007 (UTC) reply

I just registered there, gonna try to make the wikirounds to prevent impersonation. Since User:ArielGold credited you with her matrix design, I wanted to ask you in return. Many thanks, ~ Eliz 81 ^(C) 19:05, 23 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Absolutely! Drop me a line (either here or on Meta) when you're done so I can add it to my links at the bottom. EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:19, 23 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Umm... yeah. I'm wikiformatting challenged. I think it's done?? [7]. :) Thanks so much btw! Now time to create accounts and stop more spoofing. ~ Eliz 81 ^(C) 20:18, 23 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Suggestion: you can get around the table of contents being in the matrix one of two ways. Either put __TOC__ before the table begins, or toss a heading up before the matrix begins (which is what I did, and will probably look better; all the headings of the matrix appear as sub-heads then). EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:45, 23 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Phew. I'm now registered in over 140 wikipedias!! It's been so cool to get template welcome messages in so many languages, though a few have added English notes like "so what bring you here, English girl??" lol though not exactly in those words. I added the TOC thing and now it looks much better. Woo! ~ Eliz 81 ^(C) 00:43, 24 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Ah, but the trick is to have actually edited (outside your userspace) with all those accounts. Then you will have attained cross-wiki enlightenment. ;)
I do like getting welcomed in all the different languages, though I'm always pleasantly surprised when I get someone who's actually paid attention to my userpage and (a) responds only in English, and/or (b) acknowledges that I'm not a wiki-newbie at all. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:59, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi EVula! I´ve recently seen your account (for dealing with interwiki link issues) at the Volapùk Wikipedia. Did you know, by the way, that there is a Proposal for Closing the Volapük Wikipedia? Maybe you could help us keep it by casting a vote there against this proposal -- if you think this is a good idea?... -- Smeira 23:26, 23 tobul 2007 (UTC)

I've cast my vote for keeping the project open. EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:47, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Can you look into this account? Fellow user JJJ999 called it a sockpuppet, but who is it a sock of? Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 01:39, 24 October 2007 (UTC) reply

No clue; I'm actually relatively inexperienced when dealing with socks, and there aren't enough edits to really get a sense for who it is. They do indeed seem to have stopped editing, so there's no real reason to pursue it any further. EVula // talk // ☯ // 02:27, 24 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Why is my page User:hmwith/sigs listed in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion? I can't find anything on the page that put it there... You can always help me out, so... WTF? нмŵוτн τ 23:03, 24 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Okay, linking to it here made your page show up too... нмŵוτн τ 23:08, 24 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Put a ":" before a category name, otherwise it adds the page the link is on to the category. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 00:03, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

For what it's worth, though, I'm not sure why your sig page showed up there; by the time I responded, the category wasn't there anymore. Hrm. EVula // talk // ☯ // 00:05, 25 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Dai3tna is back, this time as the cleverly disguised User:Dai3tnacom. Same nonsense. -- PMDrive1061 06:53, 26 October 2007 (UTC) reply

User already blocked, but I've expanded it so they can't create more accounts. EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:05, 26 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi EVula, I originally wrote this to respond to your comment here, but I wanted to be sensative to another editor because the situation I refer to is settled and I don't want to cause undue stress.

The most recent time I saw WP:D invoked, the response at ANI was disappointing. We should make sure the community doesn't appear to condone the use of the WP:D essay to attack other editors. I might not have as much of a problem with it, if that were to happen. But a couple of days ago on ANI, an editor complained of such a personal attack and exactly 1 other person took the time to rebuke its use in that manner (over at least 2 days). At about the same time, about 3-5 admins swooped in very quickly to defend the WP:D essay at MfD (Oh and I think 2 people at ANI took the time to tell the person complaining, that they were thin-skinned and whiny). Now the situation is resolved, and the editor realizes that he/she shouldn't have used it that way. . .but the way it went down was wrong.

I don't mean to complain to you specifically, just thought you might want to know where I'm coming from at the meta page. Take care, R. Baley 05:59, 27 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Well, without any concrete details (which I certainly don't blame you for keeping to yourself), I can't respond too much to the situation. I understand that, yes, sometimes WP:DICK can be used antagonistically, but that's true for a lot more than that one particular essay; I've seen WP:NPA get thrown at admins that are simply voicing their opinions about editors.

The only reason that WP:DICK and WP:DOUCHE are so contentious, as far as I can tell, is because of the language used (heh, especially Cyde's essay). It is a position I am entirely unmoved by, which is why I've responded in the MfD the way I have. EVula // talk // ☯ // 08:49, 27 October 2007 (UTC) reply

I appreciate your response. Take care and happy editing, R. Baley 06:57, 28 October 2007 (UTC) reply

How exactly do I close deletion discussions that are ridiculous? It said delete the image because it was in the wrong article... so I moved it to the right article, and the discussion is now obsolete (no one's commented since the person who proposed it for deletion). Should I wait it out or just close it now per WP:SNOW or something? нмŵוτн τ 18:08, 27 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Yeah, I'd say that if the terms of the original deletion are obsolete and the discussion has died off, you can go ahead and close it per WP:SNOW (just make sure you cite it explicitly for the sake of full transparency). Toss {{ ifd top}} and {{ ifd bottom}} around the discussion. (sadly, as obviously-named as those templates are, I still have to hunt them down every time I need them) EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:09, 27 October 2007 (UTC) reply

I asked him a question here but he has a habit of not replying at times. Would you kindly answer it? Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 22:47, 27 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Looks like it got lost in the mix of other messages. I've deleted the pages (though you also could have just tagged them with {{ db-u1}} and they would have been deleted not long afterwards). EVula // talk // ☯ // 23:30, 27 October 2007 (UTC) reply

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Yup, that's me - need to figure out a way to template my userHeader and use it across projects I guess ;) Sherurcij ^{( Speaker for the Dead)} 19:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC) reply

You could go with my route: I use my Meta account to verify my (160+) accounts in my matrix, and then have all my userpages link back to that (via both a link in my header box and in the globe icon at the top right). Then all you have to do is the initial setup without making changes for every single account you create. Works out fairly well. EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:21, 29 October 2007 (UTC) reply

I don't know why but I've been targeted by trolls and possible sockpuppets lately, however, it seems to have stopped for now. Is it possible that this is the same person abusing usernames? I'm considering a CheckUser report. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 17:33, 30 October 2007 (UTC) reply

I don't think a CU request would be out of line at all in this case. I wouldn't be surprised if Shinobigai and Ken shoryuken were the same person. EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:42, 30 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Well, I guess we shall see what happens next. Thanks for everything EVula. Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 17:52, 30 October 2007 (UTC) reply

You know, my name is easier to type out than "{{PAGENAME}}". It's a full 7 characters less you have to type. ;P EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:55, 30 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Sorry, I keep forgetting to use "subst" when I do that. I have now fixed it. Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 18:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi EVula, just now I need your help, please can you tell me what's wrong in this page, or if now does it satisfy the notability guideline? [8] Please tell me it with simple words, I'm not very able in Wikipedia. thanks -- Carlons 21:08, 30 October 2007 (UTC) reply

You seem to be getting advice on your talk page. Probably for the best, as notability standards aren't my strength. EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:36, 31 October 2007 (UTC) reply

EVula, with all due respect (which is considerable, I might add): I gave it some thought beforehand and then went ahead and identically tagged each of those very similar opposes so as to (i) cry foul as vehemently as possible, out of fear that an admin might get away with this and that it might then create a precedent for other likewise inacceptable things; and (ii) to mark those opposes as being —for all relevant purposes— identical.

Reacting on a per RfA basis to Kurt Weber's "self-nom" 15 minutes, or Kelly Martin's "WikiProject endorsement" monomania wasn't any useful, imo. These "different" !votes don't each merit a different discussion on each of the RfA pages, since they are pointy and single-issue and have marginal relevance for any specific RfA. So I judged it appropriate to tag those comments rather than reacting to their validity case-by-case, with the secondary focus of informing others who had already begun to oppose per those comments.

Also, I do not believe this amounts to wikistalking or even assumption of bad faith, as Mikka suggested. I tried only to describe what I saw and what I think to be of immediate intersubjective "conveyability", namely that those are indeed disregardeable point votes.

You see, I don't care much for the wrong kind of sympathy. There's many ways to be nice, good ones and bad ones. And if an admin (who really should know better) feels compelled to start making point !votes on RfAs, there should be someone to —how formulate this as civilly as possible?— carefully pull the proverbial mop out their ass and politely beat them over the head with it.

Admin patience with normal user can grow thin, and they may then begin issuing blocks. My non-admin patience with admins can grow thin, too, but there is virtually nothing I could do. Post to ANI? Forget it. Been there, done that. It never carries any fundamental consequences. So the only opportunity to cry foul is to do it in situ.

Further, looking around a bit, things like [9], [10], [11], and [12] make me believe that the RfA comments are not such a totally isolated incident, after all. I've seen non-admins blocked for less. For example myself. Indef. Twice. Without warning. And those blocks were justified. — Dorftrot tel⁠ 16:50, 31 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Btw: I suppose you saw this? I read that as announcing a WP:POINT violation which may justify a preventative block. Then again, I may not know policy as well as the average admin, and it's not my call anyway. — Dorftrot tel⁠ 17:04, 31 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Trust me, I didn't leave you that message because I disagreed with you... heh, not at all (just as I agree that stuff like Kurt's "self-nom" argument was, in a word, bullshit). I consider Mikkalai's edits to be highly pointy and borderline trolling, not to mention incredibly counter-productive (and that's not even to mention the fact that I personally disagree with the assessment). But at the end of the day, Mikkalai is a member of the community and as such is welcome to voice their opinions/concerns in RfAs (just as long as they're aware that their comments are open to discussion).

I'm just saying that your messages seem to exacerbate the situation, which is incredibly unfortunate, as I believe you are both (a) right, and (b) well within your right to flag potentially disruptive !votes in RfAs that seemingly have ill-will behind them. (as I consider the RfA process to be both a discussion and a community decision, I support the ability for regular users to call into question any !votes, supporting or opposing)

In short, it's just a shitty situation, and one that I think can best be handled by allowing someone to hang themselves, rather than taking an active role. EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:36, 31 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Ok, thanks. I will heed your advice and log out for the rest of the day. I just joined the mages guild anyway and now I'm going to settle some scores with my all-new mage's staff... :-D Best regards, — Dorftrot tel⁠ 18:50, 31 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Man, I wish every minor dispute over RfAs could be resolved by the involved parties playing video games instead. Things would move much easier if everyone learned from your example. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:52, 31 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Best Regards! Thank you EVula. [13] -- CyclePat 18:28, 31 October 2007 (UTC) reply

My pleasure, glad I could help. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:34, 31 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Well I answered to your first comment without fully registering that it not only JackRm but also another edit of yours that caused the conflict. I'll now sleep over this. -- Tikiwont 19:50, 31 October 2007 (UTC) reply

Works for me. I'm watching the RfA closely (as I strongly believe that THA would make a good admin), so I'll see your response. EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:09, 31 October 2007 (UTC) reply

You know THA better and I find this all unfortunate. One quality seems to be a "thick skin" that will help him in some areas but was also according to others uncalled for here. An I am disappointed with the reactions to the repeated suggestions that there might be a problem. It is just one thing, but also the only concern he has been asked to consider. Nevertheless, I struck a maybe too harsh part of my comment, but am not sure if further comments from me are necessary or would help. And your collection of grammar related userboxes would certainly improve if you replace the current "Grammar Nazi" one with one of the available alternatives. -- Tikiwont 08:25, 1 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I finally noticed the alternative grammar userboxes ({{ User:Coldacid/Userboxes/Grammar Nazi}}, {{ User:Joseph/ubx/grammar nazi}}, and {{ User Grammar nazi}})... I disagree that my collection would improve.
I find it interesting that there's not one, not two, but three different Grammar Nazi userboxes. EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:45, 2 November 2007 (UTC) reply

These redirects, Trunks dragon ball and Trunks dragon ball z, are they potentially useful? Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 04:53, 1 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I'm not sure, being unfamiliar with the whole Dragon Ball mythos, but they appear to be "lazy search redirects", which I personally consider mildly valid. They certainly aren't hurting anything, at worst. EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:55, 1 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I forgot to ask if this was a personal attack. Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 04:58, 1 November 2007 (UTC) reply

The grammar is bad enough that it's reasonable to assume that the "12 year old" comment was in reference to themselves. :) I'd assume good faith on this one, if only because it's not actually worth the energy to chastise them over; sometimes a light touch is better than a heavy-handed one. EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:01, 1 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I've been trying to remove an uncivil comment from the DBZ talk page but the user keeps re-adding it [14], [15]. It may or may not be targeted to anyone but the tone is quite innapropiate IMHO. Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 19:49, 2 November 2007 (UTC) reply

The comment is mildly antagonistic, yes, but removing the comment repeatedly can be seen as antagonistic from his point of view. I'd let it stand; sometimes the best reaction to borderline incivility is to ignore it (sometimes people are dicks just to get a rise out of people; by refusing the get riled up, you effectively cut them off at the legs. I'm not saying that that's the situation here; just some general advice). EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:12, 2 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Can you delete this image? I don't think source information is able to be placed long after the image's creation, but I could be wrong. Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 21:40, 2 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I think you missed this thread. (See above) {^_^} Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 22:17, 2 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Whoops, sure did. I'm just so popular to talk to, it causes problems... :)
There's no time limit on when a source can be provided, so it's fine to just leave the image alone for now. No need to hurry it right along; it might find a home in the next seven days. *shrug* EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:20, 2 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I do comedy, and stand-up when I get over my nervousness (things where I'm doing other people's words, I haven't the slightest nervousness about, and my own words *written*, I'm very confident about, but *performing my words* always gives me a huge bout of 'what if they don't LIKE ME?' worries). Thespian was, also, a shapeshifting superhero character I played about 23 years ago in a roleplaying game, and is a near-anagram of my real name. I've used it online since I was 13 or 14, and first logged into bbses ;-) -- Thespian 05:22, 1 November 2007 (UTC) reply

As badly as I flubbed a good portion of my lines at tonight's rehearsal, I'm afraid I can't relate to the "I'm fine with other peoples' words" bit. :) Cool that you do standup, though; it's something I admire, but I just don't think I can do it (I'm a funny guy, but I generally need something to work with; the thought of just standing there actively trying to be funny is mildly horrifying).
Interesting how sometimes names can come from one place and stick with you for a very long time... "EVula" was a name of a computer disk (yes, I named them... I was young) that just happened to be sitting next to me when I first signed onto the website for Escape Velocity back in 97 or 98. I've been using it everywhere ever since. EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I recently did a 'Your Ideal Profession' test, and it told me, #3 of so, that I should be a 'stand-up comic'. I've been working with a friend, a professional comic, to see if I can possibly work that into an opening for my next little attempt; "I'm here...because the computer told me to be." -- Thespian 06:02, 3 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Hey, maybe you could do a little stand-up routine the next time Wikimania is state-side. ;) EVula // talk // ☯ // 06:19, 3 November 2007 (UTC) reply

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I am reverting your edits, you put an oppose in the support section. Anyway I was formatting the comments not changing them, you have also removed my oppose. The sunder king 15:16, 1 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Don't tell me what I meant by my !vote; it was a joke, which I consider fairly obvious. Regardless of that fact, you de-indented several discussion comments, which artificially inflated the opposition section. If you revert my edits, I will revert you right back and block; you're disrupting the RfA process with your misguided editing. (cross-posted comment on both users' talk pages to ensure it is seen) EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:18, 1 November 2007 (UTC) reply

It was an accident! sorry I miscalcuated I never meant to rig the RFA or anything, but you can't threaten to block me, read WP:BLOCK by the way I've been on the project for months and made thousands of edits, I am no vandal. The sunder king 15:20, 1 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I threatened the block because you're disrupting Wikipedia, which is covered in the block policy. It's one thing to make a mistake, but it's another to willingly make that mistake again after being warned by an administrator not to do it again. Your revert came before my warning, so I'm not blocking you, but you shouldn't format comments if you don't know what you're doing. EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:22, 1 November 2007 (UTC) reply

No I am not, it was an accidental misreading of the RFA which lead to me making a misleading edit by accident, I am an experienced editor and I do not wish to disrupt. Anyway I've stopped. The sunder king 15:24, 1 November 2007 (UTC) reply

That you stopped is my only concern. EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:25, 1 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Somethings wrong, why did you put a "oppose" in the support section, and why did riana support the RFA saying "shameless troll"??? and other people are reporting for silly reasons, what's going on? The sunder king 15:31, 1 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Riana and I both know Gurch well enough to crack jokes with him (well, Riana probably does; I don't know Gurch personally, but I enjoy making jokes on RfAs on occasion). EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:40, 1 November 2007 (UTC) reply

changed to support now, I relised he can be a big help ;). The sunder king 16:38, 1 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Groovy! I'm glad you reconsidered; I personally think he'll be a great help to the project. EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:16, 1 November 2007 (UTC) reply

"(→User-reported - manually removing Evilblood4, who has already been blocked (suck it, bot!))". Into The Fray ^T/ C 16:05, 1 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Just gotta celebrate any time you can beat the bots. :D EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:08, 1 November 2007 (UTC) reply

For a reason which wasn't very smart on my part (I was being lazy, and didn't want to do something I should have done). I fixed it. -- əˈnon gahy ♫Look What I've Done!♫ 22:29, 1 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Ah, groovy. I've certainly done stuff like that before, so I've got no room to talk. :D EVula // talk // ☯ // 03:36, 2 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi. I'd like to respond here to your comments from the THA Rfa. First, I'm not quite clear why you are ridiculing people's concerns. ("pathetically ridiculous") Sure, I hear that you yourself don't take it seriously. However, because some voters are concerned that THA did not take the issue seriously enough, or at least deal w/it efficiently, doesn't it undermine THA's candidacy for one of THA's main allies to not take it seriously too? I can imagine your frustration, esp since THA may well deserve to be an admin. However, for what it's worth, from my perspective your comment is to the candidate's detriment.

Second, I'm curious about your own userbox. You've drawn attention to it twice. Since some people are offended by it, and consider it inappropriate for an admin, do you plan to delete it or under what circumstances you would do so? (I've worded it this awkward way because I'm uncertain that I would request this myself.) Thanks for your consideration. Pls reply on my Talk, if you don't mind. HG | Talk 20:56, 2 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I've drawn attention to it twice because everyone has said stuff along the lines of "I can't believe you'd run for adminship with that box", when I did the very thing with no problem whatsoever. Even well after becoming an admin (coming up on a full year), that userbox has never once been an issue. That is why I have such a flippant attitude towards the whole situation; it's a little thing that's gotten blown waaaay out of proportion (in my opinion). Opposing because of THA's reaction to the situation? That's different. But to the userbox's mere existence, and the vague and nebulous idea that somehow it will make THA a less effective administrator? Absurd.

As for whether I'd take it down, I'd have to say pretty adamantly that I would not, unless I was presented with evidence that it disrupted the project. If I had such evidence, I would take it down immediately. EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:36, 2 November 2007 (UTC) reply

The distinction you draw (between THA's reaction and the presence of the userbox) is important, but I didn't sense that it wasn't drawn so clearly in your recent comment. I gather that your second answer suggests a fairly high hurdle. That is, presumably something could be considered offensive or uncivil without disrupting the project, right? In any case, thanks for your straightforward responses. HG | Talk 21:58, 2 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Well, I suppose it is a rather high hurdle, as I can't imagine an example of a single userbox hidden away in someone's userspace disrupting the project. I think the clearest distinction between my use of the box and THA's is that his was front-and-center on his userpage, while mine was on a subpage, and is surrounded by other grammar-related boxes (if it were on, say, my interests or personal subpages, I could more readily understand confusion over its purpose).

At most, I think that, once he removed the box, the whole thing should have been a dead issue. Concerns that it would be misconstrued by new users are perfectly valid, in my opinion, but to question THA's judgement for having ever used the box is blowing the problem out of proportion. EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:09, 2 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Fair enough and, for what it's worth, I agree that context/placement is relevant. Be well. HG | Talk 22:23, 2 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Thank you for participating in my recent RfA. Although the voting ended at 36/22/5, there was no consensus to promote, and the RfA was unsuccessful. I would like the thank you nonetheless for supporting me during the RfA, and hope that any future RfA’s proceed better than this one did. Again, I thank you for your support. ≈ The Haunted Angel Review Me! 02:05, 3 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Geez. You know you've been on Wikipedia for way too long when even those you thought you'd see around forever start to go. :-( Thanks for telling me. I hope you're not thinking of leaving too. Best regards, Hús ö nd 02:40, 3 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I think about it from time to time, but I think I'm in it for the long haul. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:50, 3 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I would respectfully ask you to reconsider your oppose on Hdt's RfA. You call it "knee-jerk" and I would agree. His contribs throw up no real flags, and he seems a very friendly and civil fellow. As adminship is "no big deal", and this good editor is right on the line (68-70% right now), I'd respecfully ask you to reconsider your oppose. I've appreciated your contributions to other RfA's, and I know that you do not just canvas them with opposes. As such, I felt like you might be open to reconsidering your vote, based upon the fact that Hdt DID wait nearly 3 months this time, racked up 3000+ edits in the process, and is in general not a problem editor. Also, for the record, I am not a Wikifriend of his or anything like that. I'd never interacted with him prior to this RfA. I'm just an editor of the project, concerned with the fact that good editors are often being denied adminship. Thanks in advance for any time you spend taking another look at your vote on Hdt83. K. Scott Bailey 13:02, 3 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Hdt83 mentions that being open to constructive criticism is an important trait in an administrator (which is absolutely true). However, I see absolutely no evidence that Hdt83 paid any mind to the numerous calls that he not self-nominate again. To quote myself from his previous RfAs:

• (Neutral - RfA #2) "3. I'm sorry, I just can't quite get behind this RfA. Barely any time has passed since your last RfA, and while I have no doubt that someone can immediately turn their attentions to their own limitations, only time can tell if their attempts will actually bear fruit [emphasis added for this conversation]; without this time having elapsed, the complaints in your first RfA still stand (in my opinion). The canvassing bit that tennisman pointed out is also mildly disturbing; unless you've worked with that editor in a training capacity (for example, Husond provided me solid advice in my editor review, and so I dropped him a note when my RfA took flight), I don't think it was proper. EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:39, 19 June 2007 (UTC)"
• (Oppose - RfA #3) "19. You're waiting about a month between RfAs, despite the fact that numerous people have mentioned that you need to give it more time. You really need to be more receptive to feedback, especially when you volunteer yourself for it (as happens in an RfA). Stop self-nominating every month [emphasis added for this conversation], and concentrate on improving the project for a couple of months before coming back here. At this point, you're just pissing away any good will that you're building up. EVula // talk // ☯ // 14:28, 7 August 2007 (UTC)"

Several other editors also voiced their opinions that Hdt83 shouldn't self-nominate again, but instead wait for someone to nominate him. While yes, he did go out and keep working on the project like I suggested, that's also something that's to be expected from any RfA candidate, and so isn't particularly extraordinary. Fact is, he's being given sound advice from multiple users (and I would consider advice on adminship from admins something that any candidate should pay close attention to), and he's (apparently) disregarding it. I don't consider that a particularly constructive stance to take, and so I've opposed the RfA, and don't feel the need to retract my !vote. I do appreciate you dropping me a line, though. EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:00, 3 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Now that Newyorkbrad has weighed in in favor of my view that recommending someone not self-nom (in direct contradiction to RfA instructions) is not good advice, are you any more willing to reconsider your opposition to Hdt? He clearly listened to the "wait a few months" advice (which was spot on, IMO), and did not listen to the "advice" to not self-nominate (which was clearly not good advice, also IMO). Whether or not you choose to at least consider the fact that your opposition was perhaps ill-founded, as I stated before, my respect for you remains. I'll just put a bit less weight into your opinions on RfA, that's all! :) Regards, K. Scott Bailey 01:54, 6 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Clearly not good advce is totally subjective - in this case I happen to agree with EVula, because in my opinion the flurry of self noms is a possible indication of power hunger. I find it interesting that he can't wait and find someone who is willing to nominate him. Viridae ^Talk 01:56, 6 November 2007 (UTC) reply

That is a clear assumption of bad faith. How can you possibly ascertain that a "flurry" of self-noms indicates "power hunger" in Hdt, especially given the fact that self-noms are not only allowed, but encouraged? That simply does not follow logically. I'm trying hard to understand how doing something that is encouraged (or, in the converse, advising someone AGAINST doing something that is encouraged) by the actual RfA instructions constitutes evidence of "power hunger" but I just don't see it. K. Scott Bailey 02:10, 6 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Hypothetically speaking, would you consider advice to report someone to AN/I for vandalism "good advice"? If not, why, if you believe that "good adv[i]ce is totally subjective"? Good advice, is actually not always subjective. In many cases, it's either good (follow the instructions at a given page, for example) or bad (ignore the instructions at a given page, for example). K. Scott Bailey 02:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC) reply

[de-indent] I'm not going to bother breaking my response down into a point-by-point comment, as I haven't the time to dedicate to such a response. I will say this, though: I don't care what the RfA instructions are. I personally feel that the candidate shouldn't self-nominate anymore, and it is an opinion (apparently) shared by numerous other editors. The candidate ignored that advice, which he is certainly within his right to do so; likewise, I'm within my right to oppose based on that fact. The instructions aren't some gold-plated, handed-down-from-on-high list of requirements; they are general recommendations, and editors are more than welcome to subject candidates to their own requirements, even if they run contrary to the official instructions (to a certain degree, of course; someone who opposed any editor with under 20k edits wouldn't be taken seriously). If I had seen Hdt comment on why he was self-nomming yet again, I might have reconsidered my !vote, but he completely glossed over it (with a statement that made the glossing over stand out all the more, in my mind).

I'm beginning to tire of being told that my advice is bad advice; you think I'm wrong, I think you're wrong, and I'm willing to let it drop as a case of "we have to agree to disagree", but you won't let it drop. I honestly couldn't care less about the whole situation; if I were a 'crat, I'd probably be a lot more invested in it, but I'm not, so I'm not. I honestly would have forgotten about the whole damn thing if not for the repeated discussion about it here and on WP:BN. While I admire your dedication to what you believe is the good of the project, you're starting to become a little too hostile for my taste (saying that the 'crats aren't bold enough just because they disagree with you [16] is ridiculous). EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:21, 6 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Instructons are there for a reason. Advice to ignore them is what then, if not "bad"? Nothing in Hdt's contribs raises any redflags. Nothing. The only real problem I see anyone cite is the self-nom, wanting-it-to-bad issue. I'm sorry if you take offense at it, but it's incontrovertible that opposing on the basis of self-nomming is bad form. And for the record, if you look at Hdt's talk page, he's had offers of noms come in already, based mainly on the fact that so many people piled on about the spurious self-nom nonissue. I would be interested to see what would happen if someone put him up for RfA next week. What would be the oppose rationale then? K. Scott Bailey 05:07, 6 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Instructions aren't the Word of God; RfA participants are well within "the bounds" (for lack of a better term) to ask a candidate to not self-nominate. If he's had offers for nominations, then it's all the more ridiculous that he self-nominated, and shows poor judgement on his part (considering the fact that the self-nom was an issue last time).

If he were put up next week, I'd oppose for the exact same reason I did this time: a lack of evidence that the candidate can accept constructive criticism. EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:15, 6 November 2007 (UTC) reply

The offers came in after he was voted down by you all, as a sort of protest of the perceived ridiculousness of it all, I would guess. And, for the record, RfA participants are not "within the bounds" to tell someone not to self-nom. That's akin to saying it's okay to instruct an editor to report vandals to AN/I or RFPP. It's forbidding him from doing something explicitly allowed by the instructions, and as such is spurious. I don't believe you told Hdt that in bad faith. I just believe you were wrong in giving him that advice, and now you refuse to rethink your position. That's fine, and we can agree to disagree. K. Scott Bailey 05:25, 6 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Your argument about vandal-reporting to ANI or RFPP is silly; those pages have specific purposes, just as vandal reporting has a specific place for it to be done (even though I've seen plenty of "please kill this account" reports made directly on admin talk pages). Telling someone to report elsewhere disrupts numerous processes; asking a user to not-self nominate is different. If Hdt had said anything about the whole self-nom issue, and explained why he decided to just up and self-nom yet again, I might have reconsidered my argument. But he didn't. No amount of wikilawyering is going to convince me that I was wrong. EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:40, 6 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Just as there are instructions (and they're not the "word of God" either) at the top of AN/I, AIV, et al, so there are at the top of RfA. We can't treat one set as optional and the other as mandatory. Oh, and are you trying to escalate? Accusing me of wiki-lawyering is certainly not helpful. Especially after I had basically said "agree to disagree." K. Scott Bailey 06:09, 6 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Fine, whatever, conversation done, I don't care anymore. I'm tired of this whole thing. EVula // talk // ☯ // 06:11, 6 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Haha, well it's the thought that counts, right? :) Actually, odd that you left me a message right as I was looking at your userpage. I saw a pretty blatant impersonator of yours that wasn't listed in the impersonators section, so I took the liberty of adding them myself. Glass Cobra 07:44, 4 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Ah yes, I'm aware of that one, but I'd left it off on purpose. *shrug* It was originally to not have my real name right out there, but considering I link to my IMDB listing (and I've been addressed by my real name by vandals before), it's a moot point. Thanks for adding it. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 07:49, 4 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Ahh, my bad, I should have figured you left it out on purpose, my fault. By the by, seeing as you do know me from various other intarnetz places (EV-Nova.net, Ambrosia, your old forums), do I qualify for inclusion in the "folks that I know from elsewhere" section? :) Glass Cobra 07:52, 4 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I... but... wait, what's the username that I would know you best by? I just did a search for "GlassCobra" on the ASW boards but got nothing... at any rate, if you're a former Lair dweller (gee, I really should update the site sometime...), by all means, add yourself. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 07:59, 4 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Yeah, I don't go by this name anywhere but here. On all those other places, I just went by Guest. Not really sure why, but I'm sure it drove everyone crazy. Heh. :) Glass Cobra 08:07, 4 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Ah, now that name I do recognize. Yes yes, you definitely deserve to add yourself (just make sure you add the comment that you're Guest; I'm likely to forget, and go "why the hell is GlassCobra listed?" :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 08:08, 4 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Right, all done! Thanks very kindly for the vote on my RfA, and also congrats on hitting 22k! Personally, I can't even comprehend having that many... Glass Cobra 08:13, 4 November 2007 (UTC) reply

If someone had told me that, after correcting a typo on my (then) girlfriend's high school's Wikipedia article would have led to twenty-two thousand en.wp edits, adminship on three wikis (coming up on the 1-year mark here on en.wp), and accounts on more than 160 different WMF wikis (not to mention editing in roughly 90 different languages), I would have told them that they were crazy. Instead, I just tell people that I'm crazy. EVula // talk // ☯ // 08:19, 4 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Well, to be honest, sometimes I still have a tough time wrapping my brain around even my 5,000, but...anyhow, I'm glad we've got really dedicated (if a tad crazy) people like you around! I've got to get a little shuteye, as I've got work tomorrow, but nice catching up with you, and feel free to drop me a line anytime! Glass Cobra 08:37, 4 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Haha, nice. ;) EVula // talk // ☯ // 03:52, 5 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Haha, damn, I shouldn't have told you. Then I could have seen how long it took you to figure it out. :P Glass Cobra 04:35, 5 November 2007 (UTC) reply

For the revert and block. :) Acalamari 19:35, 5 November 2007 (UTC) reply

My pleasure. I always have fun busting vandals. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:37, 5 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I don't have much time. I didn't read my failed unblock all the way, so I missed where it said that I shouldn't put another one on. I'll also didn't read the reason for the failed unblock, and now that I have, my talk page got protected. I need you to unblock TimySmidge soon, please, and unprotect my talk page as well. They blocked TimmySmidge, and soon they'll block this username too. If you can unblock me, I have a new idea for Wikipedia that will change it forever. Don't worry, it's not against the rules. -- TimySmidge 21:40, 5 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I'm not particularly inclined to do either; you're welcome to share your idea here instead. EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC) reply

No that won't work. It's a big idea (and a surprise). -- TimySmdige 21:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I wasn't negotiating. You can post it here or nowhere; I'm not unblocking your account(s) or unprotecting your talk page without good reason, and a vague promise of "a big idea" isn't particularly compelling. EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:01, 5 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Then please help me. My good reason is:

I am 12 years old. I am a stupid idiot and I wasn't thinking when I made those socks. As a child, a deserve second chances. If unblocked, I will work on making Wikipedia a better place, rather than contributing to the badness. I am sorry for what I have done and I repent. -- TimySmidge 22:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Age is no excuse; as I recall, we've got an administrator that is 13 or so. Besides, all this happened roughly a month ago; by your own admission, you're still "a stupid idiot". What evidence do I have that you're actually going to be productive? None. I tell you to post your grand idea here, and you steadfastly refuse. That's not particularly compelling. I consider myself as being extremely generous in not blocking your current account, though my patience is beginning to wear thin. EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:15, 5 November 2007 (UTC) reply

All right, I'll tell you. It's called a Discussion Group. A something where a group of users get together and talk about anything without having to move article to article. I was going to create it and invite you, Sesshomaru, Nemu, TTN, Therequiembellishere, DBZRocks, Minervamoon, Lucky Mitch, BetaCommand, Viridae, Carnildo, and PeterVogel (so we can get to the bottom of his suspected sockpuppetry). It's a great idea, but I want to do it as TimySmidge. TimySmidge 22:20, 5 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by EgdimsYmit ( talk • contribs) reply

We already have that: it's called the talk page. If the discussion encompasses several editors, you just drop them a note on their user talk pages to check out the centralized discussion (on either the article talk page or, sometimes, the talk page of the appropriate WikiProject). EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Aww, you don't like it? Can I create it anyway? I still want to do it. It's kinda different from a talk page. Also, are kid users common for Wikipedia? -- EgdimsYmit 20:29, 7 November 2007 (UTC) reply

You have much more patience than I do. ;) —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  00:31, 6 November 2007 (UTC) reply

There are times when I am patient to a fault. ;) EVula // talk // ☯ // 00:42, 6 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Hmm. —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  00:54, 6 November 2007 (UTC) reply

-- nat ^{Alo! Salut! Sunt eu, un haiduc?!?!} 00:47, 6 November 2007 (UTC) reply

...uh, okay. If Remembrance Day is November 11, why is this being posted on the 6th? EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:18, 6 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Sorry if this came a little early, but its kind of a tradition we have in Canada, or at least in my part of Canada, to begin handing out poppies a few days before the actual day of remembrance. nat ^{Alo! Salut! Sunt eu, un haiduc?!?!} 05:46, 6 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Ah, alrighty. In the states, Veterans Day is a largely ho-hum holiday (compared to Memorial Day, which is largely the same thing). EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:49, 6 November 2007 (UTC) reply

It's worse (or better) in the UK - poppies (plastic charity badge-like things) are common sight before Halloween (and Christmas fetes in the first weekend of November, and no I'm not joking). Still, I do wear one as a sign of respect. Will ^{( talk)} 22:17, 6 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I've been seeing Christmas stuff hanging up in some places for the past three to four weeks; it seems to start earlier and earlier every year. I think if I see a Christmas tree somewhere in July, I'm going to snap. EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:25, 6 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I am sorry for saying that too rudely. I have had relatives who have died in both World War II and Vietnam and I was raised very American. I just took your comment wrong and I am sorry for that. I just think highly of Veterans Day but I do disagree with the h-hum statment. It means a lot to some people that day Neville 06:00, 6 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Apology accepted. EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:25, 6 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Well, for my sig, I simply placed the template: '''{{subst:User2|Malinaccier}}'''. I guess it is really long in raw code. I'll remove the edit count, and go with your suggestion. Thanks a lot, I guess that must have really been bugging some people =]. {{SUBST::User2|Malinaccier}} 01:47, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Wow that tinkering really messed up my sig. Malinaccier ( talk • contribs 01:49, 7 November 2007 (UTC) reply

How do you mean it "messed up" the sig? Aside from missing the closing ")", it looks fine to me. EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:26, 7 November 2007 (UTC) reply

TallyBot. ~ Riana ⁂ 03:15, 8 November 2007 (UTC) reply

~*Giggle*~ That's a good name! :o) Ariel ♥ Gold 03:15, 8 November 2007 (UTC) reply

...that's actually pretty creepy. I was thinking that very same thought just before popping into the shower, and lo and behold, it's here on my talk page when I come out.

Obviously, my shower is some sort of thought-transference device. EVula // talk // ☯ // 03:41, 8 November 2007 (UTC) reply

~*Ariel breaks out her tin foil hat...*~ Ariel ♥ Gold 03:42, 8 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Showers don't interfere with your circuitry at all? That's some bot :) ~ Riana ⁂ 04:36, 8 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Actually, Riana, what he won't tell us is that what was coming out of the shower head was actually WD-40, to loosen up all those chips and boards, and keep him running in primo condition. :P And probably some magic potion that keeps him (unlike other robots/computers :P) from crashing on a regular basis… :/ —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  05:28, 8 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Indeed, it's important to stay lubed-up... er, wait, that came out wrong... EVula // talk // ☯ // 07:26, 8 November 2007 (UTC) reply

! —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  22:59, 9 November 2007 (UTC) reply

An excellent idea! TallyBot // talk // 08:12, 10 November 2007 (UTC) reply

You're the second person this past month to suggest such a notion -- see here. :) Maybe I'll reconsider down the road, but I feel that my fortitude is in straight-up contributions to film articles. I appreciate the thought, though! — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 15:39, 8 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I hope so, though I can certainly understand your trepidation. In the year I've been an admin, I've had a major namespace shift away from my previous gnome work on Mortal Kombat articles and more towards general editing in the project namespace (not to mention an increase in activity on wikis other than en.wp).

I'd hate to see you pare back your outstanding film contributions, but I'd also love to see you be able to bust heads when vandals attempt to ruin your wonderful articles. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:11, 8 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I think my biggest concern with pursuing adminship is that my attitude may be seen as arrogant because I tend to be very steadfast in shaping the content and structure of film articles. Also, while I am not interested in labeling myself in such a fashion, I can be perceived as a "deletionist" with the vast majority of my AfD involvements recommending to delete. Not to mention that "This user does not want to be an administrator" template sitting on my user page for quite some time! :) I've also had a couple of issues with admins regarding their removal of non-free images. (While I understand their perspective, their efforts struck me as too brusque.) I'd rather encourage a gradual change, fomenting discussion every so often at WikiProject Films and negotiating for appropriate implementation of images per #8 of WP:NFC#Policy, as seen here. I would probably want to understand the responsibilities of an admin more fully, but I don't want to be drawn away from my current editing priorities in the realm of film. Any thoughts about this? — Erik ( talk • contrib) - 16:32, 10 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Ugh, I'm definitely out of sync with everyone else when it comes to Fair Use images; I think we're crazy heavy-handed about them, but my primary encyclopedia edits have been to fictional characters and the like, where the chance of having a free use image is completely and utterly impossible.

I can understand your concern about perception. Ultimately, I think it would be fine, but you're probably a better gauge of that than I am.

Personally, I enjoy being an admin, but my editing patterns are different from yours. As far as responsibilities go, it's more of a "be as involved as you want" sort of thing; when I feel like busting heads, it's all about WP:AIV patrol, but if I just want to do some simple editing, I can. Adminship very rarely comes into play (unless I run across the stray vandalism-only account). EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:38, 10 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Thanks for shutting my RFA down. I actually didn't even care if I got adminship at the time or not, I knew I wasn't ready anyway.

Redmarkviolinist 19:46, 8 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Why do you say that link doesn't add anything of value? Did you look at the page it linked to? It brings in fan videos, youtube videos, fan art, flickr images, fan fiction, external links, and will have exclusive video from lucas. I think you should reconsider.

Mhanagan 8 November 2007 (UTC)

But none of it is actually worthwhile. External links should, in theory, help to create a better understanding of the topic for the reader. That link doesn't.

However, you're more than welcome to ask about whether it should be added or not on the talk page; if consensus determines that it does add to the article, I'd be more than happy to add it back in. EVula // talk // ☯ // 23:01, 8 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the response. I think it does add a lot to "fill out" the experience of Darth Maul in that it has photos and fan art and videos as well as discussion which the other sites linked do not provide and are unique to the Yahoo site. I posted on the talk page for the article as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mhanagan ( talk • contribs) 23:37, 8 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Can you delete Category:Wikipedians who like VeggieTales? It was created by TimySmidge before he was blocked, and it appears useless. Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 09:24, 9 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I just added includeonly tags on the userbox; once the category is empty for a few days, I'll speedy it per WP:CSD#C1. It's not like it's doing any harm in the meantime. EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:57, 9 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Your thoughts, sir EVula, on this? ≈ The Haunted Angel Review Me! 20:58, 9 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Oh bloody hell... part of me wants to be a nice person (a very, very small part) and give him a second chance, and the rest of me remembers vividly all the shit he stirred up.

Since AB was community banned (and not just indefinitely blocked), I'm not particularly inclined to let him back in without getting community support for it. I'm blocking the account and posting a topic about it to WP:ANI. EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:49, 9 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Very well - thanks for the help, I'll keep an eye on the ANI. ≈ The Haunted Angel Review Me! 23:19, 9 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Can you check out the user and talk pages of Presioni, Logan brennan and Mulliqi? The categories within them, I think they're supposed to be for articles only. Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 18:57, 10 November 2007 (UTC) reply

This also looks like an unholy mess. User pages need citations? Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 19:20, 10 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I removed the categories from Logan's userpage. For the other two, the problem is a hell of a lot more than their listing in the categories; I need to do a bit more with them (delete, perhaps). As for the category, I don't think it's a very big deal; several of those are sandboxes anyway, and going through and removing the categories would involve subst:ing the various templates that are causing the inclusion, which just plain isn't worth the trouble. EVula // talk // ☯ // 01:07, 12 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Thanks. Oh, I don't know which {{ db}} to place on The Histoy of Dragon Ball Z Games and Dragon Ball Z History of Games. But since these are two very redudant redirects, can you simply delete them? Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 05:59, 12 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I deleted the The Histoy of Dragon Ball Z Games redirect; the other one had a substantial history that I didn't feel like wading through. Since it's not hurting anything to exist, I decided to take the lazy route and leave it alone. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 06:39, 12 November 2007 (UTC) reply

It's just junk, should have been redirected to List of Dragon Ball video games, I might just do that, or just place WP:CSD#G6 on it. Regardless, here's the history, what do you think should be done? Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 07:02, 12 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Yeah, you're right, that's junk. Er, was junk. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 07:13, 12 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi, Just a minor note. Noticed on both of those templates "3 years, 8 months and1 day." - Its missing a space after the and.. I couldnt spot it easily in the template, so i thought i'd let you know =). Oh, and when its days (ie day >= 2), its fine.

Reedy Boy 15:24, 11 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Yeah, I've noticed that. It's one of those things I'll get around to fixing sometime, but is never really pressing, since it only happens once a month. :D It's based on someone else's code, too, so I'm not terribly familiar with the guts... maybe I'll get around to it once the holidays hit and I've got more free time. EVula // talk // ☯ // 01:10, 12 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I've made this personal boilerplate to notify editors that I've closed their RFA early and also give them encouragements and other advice. It's here: User:Wikidudeman/rfafailnote. Wikidudeman ^(talk) 22:05, 11 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Looks good, but I'd break it up some; a few short paragraphs are easier to read than one long one. EVula // talk // ☯ // 01:22, 12 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Thanks for that (no, I don't mind). Anyway, what I am here mainly asking about is, do you understand what this guy is trying to say? I'm trying to figure out if it is an attack, praise, or something in between. He mentions a deletion, which I suppose is my CSD nom of Aerodynamic qualities of food which was subsequently deleted for the same reason. Is it just me, or have I been staring at too many math problems? Thanks, -- FastLizard4 ( Talk• Links• Sign) 04:56, 12 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I... er... uh, I've got absolutely no clue what he was trying to say. Sometimes it's best to just smile, nod, and back away slowly; this might be one of those times. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 06:58, 12 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Thank you for your message, EVula. Belated congratulations on your adminship anniversary by the way. If I remember well, your RfA ended successfully a week or so before mine. :-) Best regards, Hús ö nd 01:03, 13 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Ayup; November 7th was the day my RfA wrapped up. It's hard to believe it's been a year already... so much has happened, and yet it feels like only yesterday. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 01:05, 13 November 2007 (UTC) reply

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This user, Xyex ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log), continues to add original content, not to mention overcategorizes the Dragon Ball Z article. Can you help? Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 23:38, 13 November 2007 (UTC) reply

There's only so much that I'm comfortable doing, considering my lack of working knowledge about everything related to DBZ. However, I did place a note at Talk:Dragon Ball Z#Reverted. His attitude is rather unhelpful, but if he can be convinced how to properly work with others on the project, we'll be all the better off. EVula // talk // ☯ // 01:52, 14 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Please assume good faith in your dealings with other editors, which you did not on User talk:Riana. Please stop being uncivil to your fellow editors; instead, assume that they are here to improve Wikipedia. Additionally, don't template regulars. XD Lara ❤ Love 05:40, 14 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Good times. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:42, 14 November 2007 (UTC) reply

That's you told. /me runs to wikilawyer from behind admin friend Lara's back ~ Riana ⁂ 05:51, 14 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Regarding my tinkering with the vote count... I had a hunch that you were putting up the final tally, and decided to section edit the page just to mess with you. Glad to see that it worked! In all honesty, it was just me adding to a snowball victory for Herbythyme, and I didn't realize it was closing right then. Sorry for the confusion - ZZ ^Claims ~ Evidence 14:40, 14 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Nothing to apologize for; I looked at the last !vote, you edited the page, then I hit edit, and put in the last number I saw. Usually, I double-check, but didn't this time. The error was on my part, not yours. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 14:48, 14 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Oi! Gimme back my page. :P Glass Cobra 16:36, 14 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Didn't realize you were the original author... I thought your comment was just you saying that you wanted it because it was funny. :) Page moved back to User:GlassCobra/Hotties are always notable. EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:39, 14 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Thanks very kindly. :) Glass Cobra 16:40, 14 November 2007 (UTC) reply

No worries. I also restored the redirect; too funny not to keep, plus R2 doesn't apply... (I really wish we had a D2 speedy deletion criteria) EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:45, 14 November 2007 (UTC) reply

The redirect is fine with me. :) Technically, you might have a few people growl at you, either because "WP:" is still in the article namespace, or because "WP:" is a pseudo-namespace, and the name-space (pseudo- or not) shouldn't redirect to the userspace. Sigh. I, however, have never been a stickler when it comes to those kind of CNR issues. Just hope Cyde doesn't see it, and you should be fine! ;) Best wishes, Xoloz 16:53, 14 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Yeah, they might grumble, but it's just a technicality. Hopefully nobody will care. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:59, 14 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Well if we want the technicalities, CSD R2, which covers cross namespace redirects to User: and User talk:, specifically excludes redirects from the pseudo WP: namespace. So it's obviously contemplated that such redirects can be acceptable. Other examples that spring to mind are WP:CRATSTATS and WP:ADMINSTATS. Anyway pseudo redirects to userpace are generally kept at RfD. And Cyde is in no position to complain about XNRs given that he uses a redirect from the Image: namespace to his userpage ( Image:Cyde.png - see this RFD). WjB scribe 17:10, 14 November 2007 (UTC) reply

R2 didn't exclude those in writing until earlier this year. For this reason, old-timers like Danny are likely not to give a hoot what the specific wording of the exclusion is. For what it is worth, I think the exclusion is intended to apply for redirects from "WP:" (technically in the mainspace) to Wikipedia-space only. Xoloz 19:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Also the D2 speedy deletion criterion could be for the speedy deletion of fake "criterion for speedy deletion" pages! (With D1 criterion existing to speedy delete fake XfD process pages...) Owww... I just gave myself a headache! Best wishes, Xoloz 16:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I like the way you think. EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:59, 14 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Hmm, seems our redirect has been tagged with a CSD... Glass Cobra 17:04, 14 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Interesting, it appears people don't like to follow MFDs; seeing as I just had to restore both the actual page and the redirect. Glass Cobra 17:21, 14 November 2007 (UTC) reply

...the hell? I've fixed the article's history (when restoring a page, if you don't check any boxes, all the edits get restored), and participated in the RfD. This is bloody ridiculous. EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:31, 14 November 2007 (UTC) reply

You should have seen the conversation that Danny and I had on IRC... Glass Cobra 18:34, 14 November 2007 (UTC) reply

It never fails to surprise me how utterly stupid some situations can be. Fighting over a damn silly redirect... ugh. EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:52, 14 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Redirects are a dime a dozen, really. Doesn't it take more memory to delete them than have them? Glass Cobra 18:55, 14 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Technically, yes, though performance concerns don't matter very much. EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:04, 14 November 2007 (UTC) reply

• I warned you that some folks would disapprove, didn't I? ;) Turns out its Doc and Danny, who both rank up with Cyde on the "list of people whose actions often confound Xoloz" list that I keep in my head! ;) Good luck, Xoloz 19:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Good to see you like being an administrator. I suspect many users in your position don't like it much, because the community sometimes doesn't understand how tiresome is that position, with all those repetitive endless tasks. — Raffaello9 | Talk | 01:06, 15 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I'm a glutton for punishment, what can I say? ;) EVula // talk // ☯ // 03:40, 15 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Hey, Ev. I was wondering if you might want to come over for some tea and crumpets? Let me know. Lara ❤ Love 03:49, 15 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Sorry, I'm trying to give up married women... EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:57, 15 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Hahah! Well played, sir. Glass Cobra 06:14, 15 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Touché. Lara ❤ Love 20:21, 15 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I considered not spamming talk pages but not saying "thanks" just isn't me. The support was remarkable and appreciated. I only hope that I am able to help a little on here. Please let me know if I can help you or equally if you find any of my actions questionable. Thanks & regards -- Herby ^{talk thyme} 12:46, 16 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi, EV. I thought you might want to know you're mentioned among a host of other editors who have had issues with Asgardian, at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Asgardian-Tenebrae/Evidence, in case you wanted to comment. ---- Tenebrae ( talk) 18:47, 16 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Wow, just a little over 11 months ago. I had no idea who you were talking about at first. :)

Thanks for the heads up. Page watchlisted. EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:42, 16 November 2007 (UTC) reply

EVula/Oct-Dec 2007, would you happen to know anything regarding WP:MOS:DP#Piping? There's a discussion going on here and perhaps you can share your thought on the subject. Thanks, Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 22:53, 16 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Do you think the misspelt Son Goku (Dragon Ball, the fan-made Ginyu force saga, as well Galactic quadrants (Star Trek)‎ and Galactic quadrant (Star Trek)‎ should all be deleted? The last two I felt definitely should have been, the opposing sysop did not. Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 23:16, 16 November 2007 (UTC) reply

And another, Chumba(comics), which I'm afraid of tagging for deletion since the incident with the sysop. Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 10:02, 17 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Doesn't appear to be any discussion going on at Talk:Byakuya, though it was recently moved. *shrug*

As for the redirects, I don't see any reason to delete them. Typo-derived redirects are good to have; I know I sometimes go straight to an article by typing it in (I use iSeek so I can come here in any application), and I'm not always 100% accurate with my typing. I'm not suggesting we create redirects for every possible typo, but if one exists, just leave it alone. EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:20, 17 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Yeah, I just found out that the Byakuya case was settled. As for redirects, you feel honestly feel those referenced above don't deserve a WP:CSD#G6? Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 18:47, 17 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Correct, because redirects are cheap. Anything that can help out the end user when navigating the encyclopedia is a good thing.
Do note that I'm not talking about Ginyu force saga, though. I don't know enough about DBZ (read: I don't know anything about it) to make a judgement call on that one. EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:08, 17 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Can you do me a quick favour? I asked something regarding Dragon Ball Z, and it seems I need a different admin. to step in and correct the policy violations. Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 22:19, 17 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Eh, never mind, I posted a thread on WP:AN. Thanks anyway, Lord Sesshomaru ( talk • edits) 23:09, 17 November 2007 (UTC) reply

That would probably be for the best; I'm hesitant to start editing anything anything involving DBZ that isn't very obvious, due to my ignorance on the topic. EVula // talk // ☯ // 23:20, 17 November 2007 (UTC) reply

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did that but it wasn't overly clear. Also forgot to mention the +sysop bit for .en on meta (if it makes a difference). Threads show renaming not to be an issue but not sure about Usurp. Cheers matey. Pedro :  Chat  23:23, 17 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Groovy, just making sure everything runs smoothly. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 00:23, 18 November 2007 (UTC) reply

[17] the_undertow ^talk 23:19, 18 November 2007 (UTC) reply

NO TALK FOR YOU ! EVula // talk // ☯ // 23:22, 18 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Jambalaya! the_undertow ^talk 23:25, 18 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Son of a... I'm already hungry enough as it is. Thanks for making it all the worse. EVula // talk // ☯ // 23:27, 18 November 2007 (UTC) reply

...would you have the dubious honor of closing my RfB? I hereby withdraw. Since you're one of my favorite future bureaucrats, I'd be glad if you could close it. :-) Best regards, Hús ö nd 01:09, 19 November 2007 (UTC) reply

RfB closed, even if I didn't like doing it. :(

I'm still kicking around the idea of doing RfB #2; maybe I'll get to close your next RfB with a different result. ;) EVula // talk // ☯ // 01:31, 19 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Also, thanks for closing it. :-) Best regards, Hús ö nd 03:11, 19 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Bring on the RfB 2 EVula :) Pedro :  Chat  13:15, 19 November 2007 (UTC) reply

It'll happen, it's just more a question of when... I want to ask a couple of the opposers from last time to see if I've fully addressed their concerns before running again. Plus, I'm currently in rehearsals for my next show, and won't have the time to dedicate to the RfB (though considering one of the problems was me responding to everyone, maybe it wouldn't be a bad thing...). EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:40, 19 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi, EVula. I was wondering if you could take a look at this: The Mortal Kombat series article and its talk page are not part of the same article. Someone moved the article to "Mortal Kombat" but the talk page is still at "Talk:Mortal Kombat (series)".

The editor had originally redirected the new talk page to that of a third article, but I've only been able to fix the redirect link, and not physically move the old talk page to where it should be.

It needs an admin to do the job, so it's yours if you want it! :D RobWill80 ( talk) 13:51, 19 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Whee, getting back to Mortal Kombat stuff... I haven't done much since I had a massive namespace shift not long after my RfA.

Moves all done. Gimme a shout if you need anything else done. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:46, 19 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I will do. Thanks, mate. :) RobWill80 ( talk) 17:34, 19 November 2007 (UTC) reply

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*sigh* I almost wished that guy hadn't been blocked so quickly. I wanted to try to pick his mind a bit. Oh well. Glass Cobra 21:40, 20 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Oxymoron83 performed the block; I only stumbled onto the situation by the comment on your talk page. Personally, I don't think "hates wikipedia" is a valid blocking reason, and I possibly would have just warned, but I also have very little belief that the attitude would have become productive. *shrug* EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:48, 20 November 2007 (UTC) reply

hey, can you please tell me how to create a bot for a WikiProject I made? I want it to automatically add a template one time per user if they edited StarCraft related articles. if you have a link in which I can hack (AS IN CHANGE, not breach security lol)the source code and write my own template substitute then please tell me.-- Storkian aka iSoroush ^Talk 22:50, 20 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I've got absolutely no experience with creating or running bots. The best I can do is direct you to Wikipedia:Bot policy, where maybe you can find something helpful. Sorry. EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:52, 20 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I disagree that changing the text of lolcats to something more reflective of the meme is vandalism. When do you think discussion will start on my proposed changes? Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fitzmadrid ( talk • contribs) 00:13, 21 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Because I'm an idiot, I responded to this on the talk page of the article, thinking I was on my own talk page. [18] D'oh. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:48, 21 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi there, EVula. I noticed you were looking to adopt Wikipedians, and the coincidence has it, that I am looking to be adopted. I was hoping I could have the honor of calling you my daddy. So a little something about me.

I currently have a little over 2000 edits. That means I'm not fully green, but not fully ripe yet either. I am currently involved in mediation over Pro-pedophile activism. I'm not a pedophile. I do not care much about userpages, but if I had such an impressive list of how I've been insulted, I would. I'm an eventualist. I patrole newpages. I prefer salveging articles at AfD or even tagged speedy over deleting them. I prefer deleting pages over pages keeping pages that meet the CSD.

I contacted you because on your list of editors you respect/like, I came across a few where I share your oppinion. (I didn't know most though). You seem to have a sense of humor. You are very experienced both as an editor as an administrator. Let me know if you want to adopt me, or prefer for me to find someone else. (I'm wikisperienced enough to take a no, I won't be offended if you WP:BITE me.) Martijn Hoekstra ( talk) 23:33, 21 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I'd be more than happy to adopt you! It certainly seems like you've got a good grasp on how things go around here, but I'd be more than willing to assist you with anything you need.

Since you're the first editor I've adopted, I'm not entirely sure what else to do other than say "here I am". I'm usually around at funky times, and will always respond to any talk page notes. If you need to chat off-wiki, I check my email very often; the "E-mail this user" link works on any wiki that I'm an admin on, including this one. EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:57, 23 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I actualy could apreciate some feedback on my actions here and here(last post before user removed the thread from his userpage) and some replies on my talkpage. Should I have done things differently? Martijn Hoekstra ( talk) 20:08, 23 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I'd say that it was handled as well as can be expected. When an editor simply doesn't feel like communicating, it's incredibly frustrating; all the more so if they give the impression that they'll only pay attention to an admin (which is contrary to the position of admin anyway; we're just regular editors with additional technical abilities, not automatic mediators). EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:19, 24 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Oops, i guess it took me about 12 times reading this article over to realize that he actually played for the NBA, it was just so poorly written and i don't know enough about basketball. My bad, Tiptoety ( talk) 05:24, 23 November 2007 (UTC) reply

No worries, it happens to all of us. As it was, I was about a split-second away from hitting "delete" before I noticed that myself... EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:46, 23 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Aherm - cheers for the vote of confidence, but I'm feeling a little superstitious at the moment. I think I'd rather avoid tempting fate. I confess to being rather nervous - I woke up this morning ready to respond to overnight opposes and was quite surprised when I logged on and saw the page didn't contain any yet :-) ... WjB scribe 16:47, 23 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Fair enough; I remember how quickly my own RfB went down in flames. Just don't lose that diff if it does end up passing. ;) EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:48, 23 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I would like to know a few tips on how to write a good article. IslaamMaged126 ( talk) 16:44, 24 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Honestly, I'm a very bad person to ask; as a wikignome, most of my contributions are small things, like fixing typos and correcting links, rather than sitting down and writing articles. Sorry. :\ EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:45, 24 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Can it be made to work inside a table? See User:Lar/Babel where it's commented out, if it's included there, it breaks the table those boxes are in. I think it's the leading div maybe? Nifty idea. Thanks in any case. ++ Lar: t/ c 20:37, 25 November 2007 (UTC) reply

You know, I've been doing HTML for many more years than I would think possible, and it never fails to amaze me at how a small little character (for instance, a single "|") can utterly and astoundingly screw up a layout. [19] If it makes you feel any better, I spent a good five full minutes playing around with all your other boxes trying to figure out what was going on. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:30, 25 November 2007 (UTC) reply

D'oh! And I've even ran into that very problem before and swore to myself to remember to check for a missing |... sigh. Thanks. ++ Lar: t/ c 22:48, 25 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Fancy running into you here Eric...

It figures you would be an admin, too. The best part is, I was checking out an admin's user page after following up on some sockpuppet banning when I saw he was an eguor admin. And of course, you'd be one of those couple dozen of elites.

Anyways, nice running into you again after...what is it, seven years now? Coreycubed ( talk) 14:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Wow, talk about a blast from the past... I've pretty much fully abandoned the ASW boards for Wikipedia; I'd been there for eight or nine years (maybe nine or ten), and was just burnt out.
How are you doing? EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:33, 26 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Doing very well actually. Just dropped by the ASW boards, saw the lack of inactivity -- you did well to move on to greener pastures. My old account still works, heh. Anyways, let's see -- moved on to school (I think that's when we spoke last) and hung out with Skyblade, which was another crazy coincidence, running into him in TN. Married a girl from school and hauled her back to Miami, got some tech certs out of the way and started doing on-site support for law firms. Bounced up to Charleston this summer, to escape the cost of living.

So before I forget to say it, thank you. Thank you for being nice to me, when I was taking my first leaps onto the internet in 2000 at the tender age of 14. For giving me good feedback on my work and my posts and for actually responding when I bugged you about stuff. I haven't forgotten, and I suppose I could say it's part of the reason that I continue to treat mature kids with respect. Coreycubed ( talk) 22:02, 26 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Dude, you're going to make me blush with that last part... Thanks for making it easy for me. :)

That's insane that you ran into Skyblade... I think it's funny that he only lives/lived a few hours from me and we never met, and yet you randomly ran into him. Bizarre.

(I do think that was the last time we talked... it's been a really, really long while)

I find it really funny how, with as big as the Internet is, I'm running into some of the same people from elsewhere. You'd think we'd all have better things to do with our time, but no. :) Not sure how likely you'll be to bounce through Nashville sometime (Charleston's not too far away, but far enough that it wouldn't be a random trip), but if you're out this way, gimme a shout. EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:30, 26 November 2007 (UTC) reply

I see all the shortcuts to Wikipedia pages have been deleted? What's occured, is it an error on my end? Sorry, I just see your online and I trust you. :) — Rudget _{contributions} 20:16, 26 November 2007 (UTC) reply

What shortcuts are you talking about? I just tried a couple ( WP:RFA, WP:BN) and they worked just fine. EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:20, 26 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Ah sorry. It seems some others have noticed aswell. See, ANI. — Rudget _{contributions} 20:26, 26 November 2007 (UTC) reply

No. I had the same thing when I logged on, a lot of short cuts started off as red, but seems fixed now ...... Pedro :  Chat  20:31, 26 November 2007 (UTC) reply

Bizarre... I know there was talk about making an actual "WP" namespace. Perhaps that had something to do with it? *shrug* EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC) reply