Well done on Village Settlements (South Australia) - it's a nice article tying together the various places with a shared history. I knew a bit about Lyrup, but didn't know there were so many others from the same time. -- Scott Davis Talk 01:44, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi, Doug. I am looking to the only Australian I have been friendly with, hoping you can read Smooth Island (Tasmania) and provide me with any ideas for improvement. You can see two minor comments on Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests. Any other advice would be welcome, here, or on my talk page.-- DThomsen8 ( talk) 01:27, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
Sorry about that. I restored it, removed the tags and moved it. Can you check this and see which of those articles should link to The Australian Worker and which to the other article. And I deleted User:Doug butler/The Australian Worker as it was a redirect now. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 07:30, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
Hmmm. All those hours of searching and making notes, and it never registered that 1898 > 1893. (Or 1860, for that matter!)
"None so blind as those who don't look"? (Ho hum ... )
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Hi Doug, I don't think your transfer did work. At least I can't find it anywhere. Tullyis ( talk) 14:01, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect ''Herald (Adelaide)''. Since you had some involvement with the 'Herald (Adelaide)' redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Steel1943 ( talk) 19:46, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
Dear Doug, I am in awe of the amount of detail you have included in you article on this photographer...a great read. Thank you James sinarau ( talk) 13:00, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Re this, can we include why he was called this name? I had a look at the ref but it's very hard to read. Timeshift ( talk) 22:10, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Sorry to disappoint, but that's not really my line of country. My input into the article on this chap really arose because in working on his brother (Joseph
Rayner Stephens) I had accumulated some info relating to John (plus I had not previously come across Methodists with names like Fidelia).
In turn my interest in J R Stephens was because of his part in the British factory reform movement. I started out about a year back trying to create/improve a series of articles on the various Factory Acts from 1802 up to c 1860 and realised that to make sense of the succession of unsuccessful initiatives some account of the principal factory reform leaders was needed as well. I am afraid that the Wesleyan Methodist leadership at that time forbade involvement in controversial politics, so factory reform leaders were almost axiomatically not Methodists, although many were ex-Methodists.
(Primitive Methodists were quite happy with politics, but in 1830s class-ridden England Primitive Methodists weren't really thought of as leadership material..)
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You must be autoconfirmed by now. You should not need to have your articles like David Sutherland (politician) reviewed.-- Grahame ( talk) 01:47, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! It's already at Electoral district of Victoria - I'm not aware of a Victoria electorate in another state, but if there is one it'll be easy enough to move. Frickeg ( talk) 20:39, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi Doug butler - I've noticed some embedded links that aren't right in some citations you've added. For example, in Rapid (brig), you added "newspaper=[[News |News (Adelaide, SA : 1923 - 1954)]]", which links to News, not to the specific newspaper. I think what you needed here is "newspaper=[[The News (Adelaide)|The News]]". And in Henry Robert Fuller you added "newspaper=[[Observer (Adelaide newspaper)|Observer (Adelaide, SA : 1905 - 1931)]]", which is a redlink; there is an article on this paper at The Observer (Adelaide) (I've made the correction). And in James Umpherston, you referred to "newspaper=[[Border Watch |Border Watch (Mount Gambier, SA : 1861 - 1954)]]". This actually links, not to the newspaper The Border Watch, but to a videogame named Border Watch. And in Jacob Smith (politician) you refer to "newspaper=[[Daily Herald |Daily Herald (Adelaide, SA : 1910 - 1924)]]" which links to a disambiguation page, rather than to the correct target "[[newspaper=[[Daily Herald (Adelaide)|Daily Herald]]". And I don't see why you include the date range and location within the newspaper title link, when you already have a location parameter (e.g. "location=Mount Gambier, SA"), and a publication date in the "date=" parameter, both of which will be visible in the References section of the article; the years the newspaper was published don't seem to me to have any relevance to the citation. Colonies Chris ( talk) 10:59, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
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Over to you. Doug butler ( talk) 22:15, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
Blah. Stopping there. Don't suppose you want to pick up where i left off? Best way to find out is type their name and "party names" with the " in to google and see what you find. Add to their bio article and in the MLC list. I have no doubt 1897 through 1915 has more affiliations i've missed and/or not available online. 1891 to 1897 still need doing. Timeshift ( talk) 17:08, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
Hey, I've just gotten back to 1910, and I'm totally confused about what's going on with the Legislative Council lists: per our article (and my understanding) they're supposed to be consistent with House of Assembly elections, but those lists are at 1905-08 and 1908-10 instead of 1905-06 and 1906-10? The Statistical Register records no changes to membership in 1908 and I can't find mention of a LC-only election in Trove. The Drover's Wife ( talk) 15:11, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
Please see Category:Australian real estate agents for discussion on upmerging Hugo999 ( talk) 00:17, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi Doug Butler, I found the following books while recently searching for something else earlier in the week:
Regards Cowdy001 ( talk) 21:04, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
Hey, can you please stop randomly merging politician red links into articles on already-created family members? It's not a logical way of organising information and because redirects for deletion is a nuisance it means I have to personally break the article back out again and it's bloody irritating. The Drover's Wife ( talk) 00:59, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
Also, while I'm on the subject, would it be possible to go a bit easier on the "family" sections in your articles? That one of Hugh Craine Kelly's brother=in-laws later remarried is way too much detail on non-notable people for Wikipedia, and the sort of thing that belongs on ancestry.com rather than Wikipedia. I've hesitated to remove them because I don't want to remove your hard work but some of these are sprawling to the point of the ridiculous. The Drover's Wife ( talk) 06:48, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
Hi Doug butler, as you may have noticed, I edited both articles for Kainton, South Australia and Sunny Vale, South Australia to add the name of the correct LGA (i.e. Yorke Peninsula Council. I have a number of comments. Firstly, I recently discovered that the naming of places was standardised across the entire country last decade with the country being divided up into either "suburbs" or "localities". Secondly, the most reliable source to check the extent of a suburb/locality & to discover which LGA it is located in is the online map called NatureMaps which is offered by DEWNR. This information can be accessed as follows. At the home page, click the “START using NatureMaps” button. After the map opens, click “Switch to Layer View” button and then open the following menu on the left hand side of the screen by clicking the boxes as follows- “Administrative Boundaries” >> “Administrative” >> “LGAs >> “Suburbs”. Thirdly, I am not sure if one can cite information from NatureMaps. In respect to Kainton and Sunny vale, I was able to found a map showing the boundaries of the council, the three wards and all of the localities with the LGA on the Yorke Peninsula Council website. While a number of other LGAs have similar maps (i.e. Onkaparinga, Clare and Gilbert Valleys), I tend to trawl through development plans at Online development plans or use the Property Location Browser which are both published by the DPTI. Regards Cowdy001 ( talk) 03:47, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
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Hi Doug, I am a descendant of William Bowman and was wondering what your interest / connection to him might be? You have done some great research.
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Hi, Doug! I just wanted to say something about my edits to Ian McNamara. Firstly with living people we have to be careful about publishing full date of birth because of its use in proving identity for financial matters etc ( WP:DOB recommends only including the year unless the full date is widely available elsewhere). However, as a living person, we need to source everything we say about him, and I cannot find a source for him being born in 1945. The only source I could quickly find has him born in 1951. Do you have a source for the year? I understand from your edit summary why you think that's his date of birth, but is that from a source that's citable? Kerry ( talk) 22:40, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
No objections here - done! Just make sure you disambiguate it very clearly, because there's still way more references to him as "Vaiben Solomon" than to his uncle (but more again as Vaiben Louis, hence the move). The Drover's Wife ( talk) 01:51, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, I appreciate that. I'm still working my way through the article in Australian Jewish Historical Society Vol VIII part 2. of November 1975 which deals with the two miscreants-made-good. The lovely people from AJHS posted me their "Not For Loan" copy and I'd like to do it justice. Trove of course makes gives us some advantages over the original author in checking "facts". I do live in fear of the "notability police" though. Someone once said to me "Wikipedia is not paper". Meaning, I guess, that systematized facts have the potential to become part of a narrative. I. G. Beaver, my third-tier architect is a case in point (and thanks again for your resolute support). I only started it to turn an undistinguished name in an article into a blue hyperlink, which could be either glossed over or investigated and maybe improved by anyone interested. Even if it hadn't turned out to be rather interesting ("Wattle Path Dance Hall" evokes an era light-years away), it was a bit of mortar between the stones. Doug butler ( talk) 13:39, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
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I found the line in the obituary, but I'm still confused: mainly because that image does not look like it was taken in a group shot, and they would have had to have been standing quite far apart for Mayo to be that thoroughly successfully cropped out of a group photo. It's quite possible that the paper may have believed that to have been the case, but that other photos subsequently turned up posthumously. The Drover's Wife ( talk) 04:23, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
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