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I'm the one that added the reference in the first place. It is not a reference to theory of forms in particular, which the average reader/editor has never heard of, but to Platonic idealism in general, which virtually everyone with a middle school/junior high school education or better has heard of, and which (albeit beginning with the theory of forms) goes far beyond Plato into centuries of Platonism development. The point of examples like that in MoS is to be familiar and understandable without additional research. Please put it back.  —  SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  05:43, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

I have to agree with SMcCandlish; although I never paid attention in school, so I need to brush up on those ancient concepts. :-) Tony (talk) 05:48, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

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	Thanks for always keeping an eye on Louise Nevelson. It's one of the proudest articles I have ever written on, and your vigilance means a lot. <3 Missvain ( talk) 02:02, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

I just thought it might be worth archiving to WP:BJAODN, but you beat me and it got deleted, can you please do that? - CHAMPION ^{( talk) ( contributions) ( logs)} 22:55, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Note that BJAODN is no longer active: "Things are no longer added to this group of pages on Wikipedia itself (except on rare occasions)." In any event, that "article" wasn't nearly funny enough to be added even if it was active. Deor ( talk) 23:01, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

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13:36, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

thank you for your improvements at the Pueblo Opera House article. You turned it from a piece of coal into very small diamond. Einar aka Carptrash ( talk) 06:57, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Well, thanks, but what I did wasn't very much (aside from adding the image and then requesting that someone at Commons straighten it for me). Deor ( talk) 23:43, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

The picture is worth a thousand words and I only wrote maybe a couple of hundred. Carptrash ( talk) 16:06, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

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Hello ,How are you , mate, here is the source (reference), for Hidekichi Miyazaki, http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/25/japans-105-year-old-golden-bolt-beats-his-own-world-sprint-record, can you please add it for me, kind regards.Thank You Appreciated

 Done Deor ( talk) 06:13, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

The Wikipedia icon on Google Earth is still in its old location...? /info/en/?search=Talk:Rendlesham_Hall By the way, was there also a manor house nearby at 52° 8'47.52"N 1°25'1.89"E ? There's a tree-line path, and if you switch on the 1945 layer it looks like there's a house at the south end of it. -- RThompson82 ( talk) 03:21, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

@ RThompson82: I know that it can take quite a bit of time for Google Earth to update their marker when coordinates are changed on Wikipedia. (One occasionally runs into cases where east and west longitudes are confused because they originally were on Wikipedia.) With regard to your question, the 1904 OS map labels that as Ash High House, for which Googling turns up some information (such as this) and old photographs. Deor ( talk) 16:31, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! Ah, I see. And that's the house in question in the picture on the previous (scroll up) page? It looks like it needs to be added to this list. http://www.lostheritage.org.uk/lh_complete_list.html Have you see that? Really interesting page. -- RThompson82 ( talk) 21:43, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

I just saw your edit summary on Planes (film). Please delete this file, no questions asked. DBZFan30 ( talk) 04:53, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

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Boy, am I steamed! Just kidding - thank you for correcting my edits on the Lexus article. I am usually quite thorough; however, in this case, I was careless and failed to check the reference before making my edits. Because of that carelessness, I misunderstood the meaning of the text I edited. You rightfully corrected my mistake, and I appreciate it. I far more prefer that Wikipedia articles be properly written and referenced than to have one of my edits taint an otherwise well-written article. Good work. MarydaleEd ( talk) 15:05, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi! I see you deleted this page in 2014. Meanwhile this kickboxer meets the rules of Wikipedia in terms of kickboxing. El Bouni now is the 7th light heavyweight in the world. Combat Press Kickboxing Rankings: May 2017 So can you please restore the article? Thank you! I will complete it after. ChelseaODB ( talk) 00:46, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

@ ChelseaODB: I don't know enough about the subject to determine whether this person now meets our notability guidelines, but I've userfied the article at User:ChelseaODB/Ibrahim El Bouni. You're welcome to work on it and restore it to article space when you think it's ready. Deor ( talk) 15:49, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

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Labyrinth of Buda Castle (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Thank you for protection, we had to do it on huwiki too, Labgeo and his sockpuppetsfarm made permanent vandalism in the hungarian language article. -- Pallerti ( talk) 19:12, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for changing the title, but in the future please Change the link in other articles that lead to the new page title. Thanks Tripp155 ( talk) 16:21, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for finishing fixing up the links! Tripp155 ( talk) 17:19, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

@ Tripp155: No problem. I had started on that but then became sidetracked by something else. Deor ( talk) 17:22, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi. Back in February you added coordinates for this article. Do you have any sources to show this village actually exists? I don't speak Danish, and all the sources I've found seem to only be talking about the lighthouse. Thanks. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:59, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

@ Onel5969: At this remove, I no longer remember where I got that location. I don't speak Danish, either, but the stuff I'm seeing online at the moment (such as this) suggests that "Bovbjerg" may be a former name of the village of Ferring, just to the north of the coordinates, or perhaps the name of the general area in which that village is situated. I'm certainly seeing mentions of Bovbjerg that indicate that it's a place name apart from its use in the lighthouse's name. The user who created the article, User:Krungadoren, isn't very active on en.wp, but I'll try to do some further investigation and perhaps try to get in touch with him. Deor ( talk) 13:55, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

@ Deor: & :@ Onel5969: Hello! I edited this article with what little I knew, because it mistakenly linked to Borbjerg, which is a different village in Denmark. The place exists, but it seems that Bovbjerg is not actually the name of the village. Bovbjerg is the name of a boulder clay hill area which has given name to both the lighthouse, Bovbjerg Fyr, and the beach, Bovbjerg Strand. There's also a Bovbjerg Camping. The village of Ferring is also situated on the Bovbjerg hill, but is not itself named after it, but when I visited the place, our tour guide seemed to use the name Bovbjerg informally for the village as well, or maybe it's a tourism thing. Bovbjerg and its lighthouse is the attraction more than the village. Here's a link to a description in Den Store Danske Encyklopædi, an online encyclopedia from major Danish publishing house, Gyldendal. Alas it is also in Danish, but now you know what I know. :-) - http://denstoredanske.dk/Danmarks_geografi_og_historie/Danmarks_geografi/Jylland/Bovbjerg

Would you please don't move the titles about Chinese rivers according to their places, e.g. you moved the Bai River (Tributary of Xiang River) to Bai River (Hunan). i think it is not a good idea that people simply move similar entries. it's trouble for me when Chinese river names are translated into English, there are too many namesake rivers in a province or tributaries of a river although their Chinese names are different. Cncs ( talk) 17:47, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

@ Cncs wikipedia: A title like "Bai River (Tributary of Xiang River)" is just not how we do disambiguation on wp.en and should't be used. According to the fourth bullet point under "Multiple rivers with the same name" at WP:NCRIVER, "Bai River (Xiang River)" would be an acceptable title, "with the name of the principal river following in parentheses"; but if you look at a disambiguation page like Luo River, it seems that we've usually used province names ("the smallest appropriate political entity") as the disambiguators in the titles of articles about Chinese rivers. Now, if we have articles about more than one river with the same name in a particular province, then the principal river or some other disambiguator might be used. Such, however, does not seem to be the case with the Xiang River tributaries that I've been geocoding.

That there may be "too many namesake rivers" is a problem only if there are English Wikipedia articles about them. We don't use "pre-disambiguation"—that is, we don't add parenthetical disambiguators to titles except as needed to distinguish the names of existing articles. For instance, the Lei River is almost certainly not the only river in China whose name is romanized as Lei, but we don't disambiguate the title unless we have articles about more than one. In any event, "Tributary of Xiang River" is not an appropriate disambiguator. Deor ( talk) 21:24, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi.

This page ( Alexandre Gilbert Lévy) looks to be possibly a recreation of a page you recently deleted, Alexandre Gilbert. I bring it to your attention because you seem to be currently active and I am not sure if it should be a CSD. Thanks. Dan D. Ric User:Bbb23 stated he is not familiar with the case. I believe it to be created by a sock of User:AlexLevyOne. Dan D. Ric ( talk) 14:49, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

@ Dan D. Ric: Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I've deleted the article and blocked its creator. (For some recent background, see User talk:DGG#Alexandre Gilbert.) Deor ( talk) 15:03, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the link and the info. Dan D. Ric ( talk) 15:19, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

/info/en/?search=Jerry_Perenchio

https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Jerry_Perenchio&action=history

/info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/Binksternet

I think you're mistaken. The only edit I ever made on that page was to add a source for his recent death, which is still there. Deor ( talk) 20:33, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks for adding the coordinates. Did you in some way add it to Bing? I have just seen it marked there to my surprise. Philafrenzy ( talk) 21:42, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

@ Philafrenzy: Not my work that I know of. Either someone else did it, or Bing is extraordinarily rapid in importing WP coordinates (or the Web has become sentient and is now a danger to all of us). Deor ( talk) 22:22, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

The later I am sure. If this was a Turing test, the internet would have passed. Philafrenzy ( talk) 07:36, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Wishing Deor/Archive20 a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! DJAustin ( talk) 15:44, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for all that you do! DJAustin ( talk) 15:44, 16 June 2017 (UTC)