Thanks for chipping in. This is a very big job. 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 01:45, 4 January 2008 (UTC)Stan reply

The list of events is great. Thanks for doing that. Other sections, such as a Museum or an Arts and culture section would be good additions. Or history or geology. Good examples of some of that stuff (and even at least some general references, cross references) are in Cadillac, Michigan, Traverse City, Michigan and Northern Michigan

Best. 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 18:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)Stan reply

Dear Cgord:

FYI, I imagine you noticed that one of our esteemed Michigan contributors eliminated the Thumb from the See also. I put it back. 7&6=thirteen 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 23:31, 3 February 2008 (UTC)Stan reply

In connection with the Northern Michigan and Alpena, Michigan articles, I wanted to list this Sarnia to Alpena sailboat race. However, going on line,I can't seem to find it. Did it cease to exist?

Any information would be appreciated. 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 17:25, 6 January 2008 (UTC)Stan reply

I sailed that race several times in the 70s. It was for boats smaller than those in the Port Huron to Mackinaw. I also earlier posted my thoughts (or lack thereof) about M-25. I've contacted a road guru from WIki, too. 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 17:47, 6 January 2008 (UTC)Stan reply

Your edits and additions (IMHO) are very cool. Thanks for the help. I think we've turned this in to a real article. BTW, if you follow the link I added about Michigan museums, etc., if we added those to the individual cities (including notes about and links to the real museums), I thin that we would really turn the Thumb into something that was fairly well documented by Wikipedia. Just a thought. I know nobody notices (or appreciates) what we've accomplished, but I do. Best regards.

I think it's very funny. There is this whole culture of confrontation over in the Michigan article, and they seem to be locked into a culture of preserving the status quo. You and I, on the other hand, have chosen to work the fringes, and make a difference in articles that are 'off the radar screen' I've reworked (to some extent) all the Michigan regional articles (See Michigan discussion for what I believe is a complete list.) In particular, I reworked the Northern Michigan article substantially. I think that The Thumb and Northern Michigan are really good. The Upper Peninsula article is very good, but I think could be improved. Anywayz, its good to have the help of a kindred spirit.

I don't have the authority to hand out laurels for Wikipedia, but if I could you would surely get one. 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 02:20, 15 January 2008 (UTC)Stan reply

7&6=thirteen ( talk) 01:59, 15 January 2008 (UTC)Stan reply

It's nice to get recognition, albeit it's mutual. I think the Thumb article is really good. You did great work. We did great work. It shows. Part of the resaon we could get away with this is that these are the little fringey articles, without an invested following. If we tried doing this stuff on Michigan it would get totally bogged down. Southeast Michigan is not nearly as good an article as the Thumb or Northern Michigan, but I'd bet it's got more of a following, and there will be issues.

I'm really gratified that The Thumb looks as good as it does. It's a fabulous area that is really underrated.

Hoever, I think that the thumb article could be vastly improved if we just used two websites (Michigan Counties on the web) and Michigan attractions (see List of museums in Michigan and the external link at the bottom of the page), and post-holed those sources and put them into the article with the information that ai there. Concurrently, we could do the towns as they would be revealed, plus the counties. We would find something to say, find the source, and get two or three or four article improvements with coupounded results.

That's a lot of what I've done with the towns and the whole coast of the northeast lower peninsula.

I would suggest that Flint/Tri-Cities would be a relatively easy fix, as nobody has ever worked on it. Plus, there is a whole lot of material there. Midland, Saginaw, and Bay City are troves of undiscovered stuff. Take a quick gander at List of museums in Michigan and the external link at the bottom of the page.

Stay in touch. Thanks for your contributions, even if nobody else notices. I know. 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 03:26, 17 January 2008 (UTC)Stan reply

In terms of playing with towns, I like the articles at Traverse City, Michigan (It was a really good article before I touched it, and it's better now), Manistee, Michigan (I really beefed it up, Alpena, Michigan, Oscoda, Michigan, Grayling, Michigan one of my favorites -- it was almost not an article when I started on it, Forbush, Michigan, a really small town with not much there, but a few assets, and [Harrisville, Michigan]], which I and another fellow really substantially rewrote. Cadillac, Michigan has a really well done article and some good sections that I've not seen elsewhere.

Doing these little towns would be not real hard, and could be very rewarding. 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 03:36, 17 January 2008 (UTC)Stan reply

Here's one of my favorite all time sources for just general information on Michigan and all the little gunk holes that make it up. * A more comprehensive (and interactive with geographic locations) listing of Michigan lighthouses and museums, complete with pictures and descriptions Another great thing to put into every article is the Clarke Historical Library, Central Michigan University, Bibliographies by county name. They have something on every little town and valley in there. 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 03:39, 17 January 2008 (UTC)Stan reply

Here's a table way I've been putting it in articles:

• Clarke Historical Library, Central Michigan University, bibliographies organized by county and region.

Gives the reader someplace useful to go, and to find a lot of sources really quick and easy. 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 03:42, 17 January 2008 (UTC)Stan reply

• • Glad that it was useful.
  • MIchigan cities on the web
  • http://www.infomi.com/city/
  • they also have a similar page for Michigan counties
  • And you've probably tried this, but you can do it by county and region. Have to kind of click through different kinds of museums.
  • http://www.michigan.org/travel/city/index.asp?city=G3323
  • I'm really pleased with The Thumb. I think the article is getting reasonably informative. If you can work it, and do it as part of a system to the counties and the towns, then it can really begin to work.
  • I've been working a number of different regions and cities (e.g., Monroe, Michigan. We can do these. Heck, Southeast Michigan suck so bad (as an article) that it should be relatively easy to improve. It didn't mention Warren, Michigan, which I've also worked on a little.
  • BTW, if you run into museums, don't forget to add them to the List of Museums in Michigan, which is still pretty sparse, even as I've doubled it. It needs work.
  • The Terry Pepper website on lighthouses is easily the best. See, e.g., Fort Gratiot Light. However, he changed the format on his webpage, and the older links on the Lake Huron lighthouses to his webpages in articles are messed up.
  • The Michigan HIstorical marker is so searchable and easy to use, and you can find out a lot about particular locales.

http://www.michmarkers.com/Frameset.htm

• • I hope you don't mind me being pushy, but I've learned a lot about sources of information, and do like ot share with somebody who is eager to put them to good use.
  • Keep up the good work. God bless you and your effort. it's a mitzvah. 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 01:59, 24 January 2008 (UTC)Stan reply
    • I thought your use of the External Link * Info Michigan, detailed information on 630 cities in The Thumb was so insightful that I put it in all the Michigan regions and the two peninsula articles. Hell of a site. Very useful to readers, since we probably won't get to all the cities and villages they've listed. 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 02:11, 25 January 2008 (UTC)Stan reply

Dear Cgord: You might want to go to your user page (not the talk page) and write something on it, however short it might be. Then your name will not appear in red in the "history" of edit sections, which I think would be a good thing. Then you won't be looking like your a newbie, when you aren't. 13:52, 26 January 2008 (UTC)Stan

http://www.phmuseum.org/links.html This is a link from the Fort Gratiot light, and it has lots a great and useful information that could be put into The Thumb. 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 19:00, 26 January 2008 (UTC)Stan reply

Glad you liked the pattern. We make a good team. Best regards. 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 00:13, 3 February 2008 (UTC)Stan reply

I don't know how to do those at all. Sorry. I would suggest that you take a look in the history section of one of the articles, find out who put in tables, and recruit them to help. That's what I did with [[Long Lake (Alpena), for example. BKConrad might be a good source of advice on this stuff -- he's older&wiser, as his signature reminds us. I think the Thumb is really shaping up. BTW, I did post something on the Michigan talk page, and also on the personal page of the esteemed editor who dropped The Thumbfrom the Michigan article. 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 00:23, 5 February 2008 (UTC)Stan reply

New article. I'm sure you can assist when you find the time. 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 01:00, 21 February 2008 (UTC)Stan reply

You recently added a template of radio stations in the thumb. The template has been edited and many stations have been changed. (One station I know about has been removed -- WLEW.) I'm not familar enough to edit this Template. Maybe, you have a backup. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HB Edit ( talk • contribs) 10:35, 6 April 2008 (UTC) reply

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I think you should research this more, as I know beet processing takes place soon after harvest, starting roughly in October. I live a couple miles from a Michgan Sugar plant, so I can attest to when the processing starts. You can smell the sweet odor for many miles. Asher196 ( talk) 04:14, 25 May 2008 (UTC) reply

I've been puttering around the Thumb (not so much Saginaw), and have done quite a bit of work on these. I would appreciate it if you would take a look-see and put in your 2 cents. You're doing a great job (from my perspective). The Thumb is looking really good. Thumbs UP!! 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 22:42, 2 June 2008 (UTC) Stan reply

Glad that you're happy with Northern Michigan. I think it worked out. We were lucky, as it is far enough off the radar that we don't have the incessant edit wars and nattering about edits the way they do in Michigan. I stay largely away from there.

I'm sitting in the hospital waiting for my son and daughter-in-law to have their first baby deivered. The screen here in the waitin room is kinda small -- not ideal for the hockey game.

Surely there are other things than Wikipedia. Enjoy the game. It is definitely important that they win tonight and at home

Have a happy evening. Best regards. 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 01:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC) Stan reply

Are both WSGW-AM and WSGW-FM broadcasting the same lineup? If not, they don't need to share a single article. JPG-GR ( talk) 04:09, 31 January 2009 (UTC) reply

I left you a message here. I have lived in Waterford in Oakland County for over 30 years and never heared anyone use the term " Southern Michigan". If we're going to have an article with that title, I think we should at least have a map that uses that name, and the current map does not. -- Thomprod ( talk) 19:29, 14 March 2009 (UTC) reply

[Copied from User talk:Thomprod#Southern Michigan to keep the thread together:] Sorry if I haven't gotten back to you sooner. Oakland county is in Southeast Michigan, not Southern Michigan. The latter term is used to describe the south central part of the state, not Mid-Michigan, but Southern Michigan. This includes Hillsdale, Coldwater, and Jackson. Cgord talk 15:22, 7 April 2009 (UTC) reply

I am aware that Oakland County is in Southeast Michigan. My point was that if we have an article called Southern Michigan, the article should at least have a map that uses that name, and the current map does not. The article also mentions that "Southern Michigan is a subregion of Central Michigan" but the map does not illustrate either area. The map should be changed. -- Thomprod ( talk) 23:28, 7 April 2009 (UTC) reply

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I replied to you on my page, and have posted responses to the nomination for deletion. I would think you might want to put in your 2 cents. 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 18:12, 20 August 2009 (UTC) Stan reply

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