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Hey, I'm writing this to inquire the countless edits you have made on the Khanate of Sibir. It's obvious that you are making it appear that the Khanate was completely of Bashkir origin. However, the source for every edit that you have cited is completely in Bashkir.
I know that the Khanate of Sibir had a population of some ancient Bashkirs, but they most likely didn't constitute a majority. Along with this, the Khans are mostly of Shaybanid (Kypchak-Mongol; But definitely not modern-day Bashkir) origin or Taibugid (Unknown, but most likely native Siberian or Mongolian, again likely not Bashkir). Also, you have inserted Bashkir text everywhere. This wouldn't make any sense, since Bashkir was not a state language since it didn't even exist at the time. Sure, Kypchak was probably spoken a lot by some people in the Khanate, but that's the ancestor language of Bashkir, and is not the same. Despite this, the closest the Khanate would have to an official language would probably be Chagatai, at least for writing, and Kypchak for spoken purposes. For this reason, I think it would make the most sense to use Chagatai text for transcripting everything related to the Khanate, not the modern Bashkir language, since that's very misleading.
Also, touching on that source, it's completely in Bashkir, so can you explain in what sense does the Khanate tie into Bashkirs? Thank you. ThatDohDude ( talk) 03:49, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
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ThatDohDude let's start with the fact that the Bashkirs have lived in western Siberia since ancient times. this fact can be found out from various sources. let's move on, the language in the Siberian Khanate was Old Bashkir. If you need sources, I'll send them. further, the Siberian Khanate was inhabited by different peoples and there is no exact information about how many there were. but since the sources write that the aristocracy were Bashkirs, the cities of Siberia belonged to the Bashkirs, and the army was from the Bashkirs, and it’s not difficult to guess that most likely the population was Bashkirs. further, after the collapse of the Siberian Khanate, the Bashkirs maintained the Kuchumovich dynasty (the junior line of the Shaybanid dynasty) until the 18th century. also, according to the same sources, the Bashkirs, together with Kilmyak Abyz, claimed that they were loyal to Kuchum Khan and wanted to revive the Siberian Khanate. Of course, you will probably think that the Siberian Khanate revolves only on the Bashkirs, but this is so. The khan was not the main one in the post-Horde khanates. were ruled by biys. and in the Siberian Khanate the Bashkirs were biys, just as the Nogais were biys in the Astrakhan Khanate. Assalamu Alaikum.
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- Yes, I would like to see your sources, as I am curious as to your claims on a Bashkir aristocracy. When you talk about biys, are you referring to the mirzas mentioned on the Wikipedia page?
- Also, despite this supposed Bashkir presence, I am fairly certain that the main ruling class consisted of Turco-Mongol culture/Siberian culture, instead of ancient Bashkir culture.
- In any case, I think we can still make note of this Bashkir presence on the Wikipedia page, but we should switch all the Bashkir text to Old Kypchak or Chagatai because at the time, the Bashkir language didn't really exist. Alaikum Assalam ThatDohDude ( talk) 20:14, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
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