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User talk:Armbrust for the period from 1 March 2012 to 25 April 2012.
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Like during our previous discussion, you are not an admin. Please explain your removals of the edits that clarified the position of your actions within the boundaries of administrators.
[1] →Στc. 04:09, 1 March 2012 (UTC)reply
According to
WP:TPO: "you should not edit or delete the comments of other editors without their permission". And as I said in
the previous discussion, I highly doubt you opinion, that requests at
WP:RFPP can be handled only by administrators (with the exception if protection is required).
Armbrust, B.Ed.Let's talkabout my edits? 10:44, 1 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Dear Armbrust, I inform you that
Digirami has defined your admonition of 28 February 2012 as garbage and continues to delete it along with all the warnings of criticism he received, although it is strictly forbidden as it is considered vandalism. Also rejects any form of dialogue, remains immovable on its position. Thanks. Greetings.--
93.56.241.95 (
talk) 10:31, 1 March 2012 (UTC)reply
According to
WP:BLANKING: "Policy does not prohibit users, whether registered or unregistered users, from removing comments from their own talk pages. [...] The removal of material from a user page is normally taken to mean that the user has read and is aware of its contents." According to this you are violation the
three revert rule, because "restoring talk page notices is not a listed exception to the three-revert rule".
Armbrust, B.Ed.Let's talkabout my edits? 10:41, 1 March 2012 (UTC)reply
ANI discussion (re:Cybermud) revert
I've commented out your archiving of that section, as it seems to me to only be half done--while I did block the user for violating the topic ban, there is still an open question as to whether this should also cause the topic ban to be extended. I hope you don't mind; if your intention was that you felt no steps needed to be taken on the topic ban, could you explain why?
Qwyrxian (
talk) 13:31, 1 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Thank you! Armbrust, you're involved in so many things here...
Deryck C. 11:23, 2 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Aye, I also thank you. I'd completely forgotten the date my rfa closed. Cheers! —
DoRD (
talk) 04:19, 4 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Wow - that had completely snuck up on me - I didn't even realize today was the anniversary! Thank you very much for the message, and, for that matter, for reminding me that today is the day! Hope all is well.
Bobo. 00:10, 5 March 2012 (UTC)reply
+rollback
Added the flag for you. Thought you may find it useful. Best regards --
Samir 06:08, 5 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Please use the talk page there to tell what you want instead of using non-saying templates, to give everybody the chance to satisfy you. For me there is no place for an appropriate inline citation, so please tell us what you want and we will do it. --
Florentyna (
talk) 19:22, 8 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the well wishes, its the first time I've gotten one in the 4 and half years since I added that infobox to my user page --
Marcsin |Talk 02:57, 9 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Same here, thank you for the Birthday wish. Take care.
Tony the Marine (
talk) 04:34, 9 March 2012 (UTC)reply
CAMRA at MfD
Sorry about that - got confused as to the status of dab pages, which aren't really articles.
Havet taken it to AfD.
PamD 07:51, 10 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Hi, I just wanted to leave a note that I'd commented on several of your recent nominations at
WP:CFD/S. Kudos on your hard work with these sports categories! Cheers, -- Black Falcon(
talk) 23:25, 10 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Thank you. Would you mind if I renominated
Category:Article Alerts at full CFD (since Headbomb objected)? I agree with your proposal and
don't mind tackling the subcategories. Best, -- Black Falcon(
talk) 02:02, 11 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Sorry for the delay in replying to your comment at
WP:CFD/S. I had off-wiki commitments these past two days and, as a result, was unable to respond. I appreciate your prompt action and have no objection, based on your reasoning, to the darts category being renamed. Best, and thanks, -- Black Falcon(
talk) 02:21, 14 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Hello, I thought I responded to your concern well. All you said was "the same again", "the same again", "the same again." It seems you trying to avoid the issue. If you want the reference, click on the individual events. If you want precedence, I can point you towards the
2011 World Championships in Athletics article or the
Athletics at the 2008 Summer Olympics article. As you can see, not every individual event is referenced. But if you click on the event, you will find the sources. The front results page is more of a guide to the real meat. If you have any questions, please ask.
Philipmj24 (
talk) 14:42, 11 March 2012 (UTC)reply
The section is clearly unsourced. If there other athletics articles, that have similar section without references, than maybe they should tagged too. The this bad precedent shouldn't continue. (I also want to note (without checking), that I'm very sure, that the references on the events sub-pages contain only primary sources. If this is true, than they could tagged with {{
primary sources}}.)
Armbrust, B.Ed.Let's talkabout my edits? 15:21, 11 March 2012 (UTC)reply
By the way following the same logic, why does the "Medal table" section need a reference? Everyone could just count the medals for the nations from the "Results" section. (This isn't an argument for removing the reference.)
Armbrust, B.Ed.Let's talkabout my edits? 15:23, 11 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Warning?
Do not warn me for reverting a sockpuppet.
Darkness Shines (
talk) 19:30, 11 March 2012 (UTC)reply
I will keep an eye on the spam link edits. Is there a guideline as to how many before it qualifies for semi-protection? It does seem unfair that electrical companies can advertise on Wikipedia. Also did you look at the questionable link that I did not remove? I don't know if the link has enough advertising in it to qualify for removal.
How to Become an Electrician Vocational Skill Set Information Center--
Canoe1967 (
talk) 00:36, 12 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Decision accepted. I feel it can be moved to the 'resolved' section, and I will continue to watch it.--
Canoe1967 (
talk) 01:14, 12 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the message
I'd lost track... (who said 'What's new?')
Peridon (
talk) 10:33, 14 March 2012 (UTC)reply
I know I'm responding a few days late, but… Thank you for the generosity! Cheers all the way from the fabulous
Hollywood, California. ;-) —
stay (
sic)! 03:09, 18 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Category moves
Just curious, why don't you move the category's content(parent categories, interwiki links, etc) before you move the pages, that way they will not be redlinks that you are moving to. Are you planning on eventually doing this, or what? Blake(
Talk·
Edits) 14:54, 18 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Hi. Thanks for arranging the deletion review of the Thresher & Glenny article. I've had to create a new Wikipedia account as my old BePoWiki account didn't meet the username policy criteria. If you could keep me updated with progress of the deletion review I'd be very grateful. Thanks
Vjdigital (
talk) 13:52, 19 March 2012 (UTC)reply
This discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Please refrain from declining requests, or using the {{
RFPP}} request until such time as you pass RFA. This template means the request is done and may be archived, which is not the case until an admin has evaluated it. Comments are welcome, decisions, using that template, however, are not really useful, and only make the admins spend more time checking the page, because requests that appear answered really are not. Thank you.
Courcelles 00:04, 21 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Bcause the edit filter is really only supposed to be used to stop abuse. There's been some expansion past that, but not much, and with the condition limit, there can't be. And this is hardly instruction creep, two years ago, it would have been just as non-started for non-admins to decline reports at RFPP as it is today.
Courcelles 04:25, 21 March 2012 (UTC)reply
I have to concur with Headbomb's request; the page move of
B-type main sequence star to
B-type main sequence made absolutely no sense and only introduces confusion for the reader. Please be more careful. Regards,
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talk) 18:51, 21 March 2012 (UTC)reply
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The work you do is far more important than a block, so that is all you need to really consider. The other editors should have respected
WP:BRD and not forced through changes to the snooker templates without the consensus of the snooker project, but when it's two against one then you're outnumbered and outgunned. The best thing to do in a situation like that is to post an RFC on the snooker page and get some input from other project members.
Betty Logan (
talk) 04:16, 27 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Armbrust, I second Betty's message. Your work around the project is pretty worthy. Don't leave. Take some time off if you wish. But do return. I'm there always for assistance. I'll keep checking in here to see whether you've returned.
WifioneMessage 18:21, 27 March 2012 (UTC)reply
March 2012 block-related discussion
This section has gone stale. If you want to say anything on this topic, than just remove the templates at the top and bottom of the section and say it. Armbrust, B.Ed.Let's talkabout my edits? 18:40, 31 March 2012 (UTC)reply
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
User:Crazycomputers has agreed to unblock you and
User:Frietjes on the proviso that you agree to not make any further alterations to the templates until there is a consensus, as per
User_talk:Crazycomputers#Armbrust. If you wish to accept his offer then post an 'unblock request' on your talk page and an admin will sort it out.
Betty Logan (
talk) 05:15, 29 March 2012 (UTC)reply
This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an
administrator, who accepted the request.
Assuming good faith. Armbrust, the next block will be very long. So please, not even once again.
WifioneMessage 10:57, 29 March 2012 (UTC)reply
As he's unresponsive to concerns, returned to edit-warring immediately after his last block, and does not appear to be at all reflective on his actions, I wholeheartedly disagree with any unblock until
WP:GAB is met. (
talk→BWilkins←track) 10:54, 29 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Bwilkins, I'm so sorry. I did not see your message otherwise would have stopped from unblocking Armbrust pending your views. As it is, I'd already unblocked him a moment ago. Do suggest if you wish any change in my action. Kind regards.
WifioneMessage 10:57, 29 March 2012 (UTC)reply
I do thusly suggest, and I do not wish to wheel on it. The "I'm about to retire" warning is apparently being used as a tool against the project to "explain" edit-warring, which is something Armbrust (as a wannbe admin) knows better than to do. As such, the project requires continued protection. He he not accepted or stated that his actions were incorrect, and was indeed has 3 blocks for edit-warring in just over a month. (
talk→BWilkins←track) 11:03, 29 March 2012 (UTC)reply
You always have the option to reblock if it blows up again, but there is a discussion now to resolve the dispute and Armbrust has given his word not alter the templates. On the basis of the positive impact he has had on Wikipedia over the years I think he's earned a bit of good faith along the way.
Betty Logan (
talk) 11:08, 29 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Unfortunately, the good faith portion got lost a little when his first block for edit-warring in Feb occurred...and went out the window with his first one in March. This final one was absolutely unacceptable from ANY editor, especially one of Armbrust's caliber and standing on this project (
talk→BWilkins←track) 11:11, 29 March 2012 (UTC)reply
I can appreciate your stance on this, but blocks are ultimately only meant to be preventative not punitive. So the question here is, do you honestly think Armbrust will break his word? He probably won't like it, but I think now he's given his word he will stick to it. The way forward is clearly hacking it out at the snooker project whether it's in three days or now, and I'd rather just get on with it.
Betty Logan (
talk) 11:20, 29 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Yes. Due to the back-to-back nature of his edit-warring blocks, I do think he will repeat. He has not (as per
WP:GAB) acknowledged ANYWHERE that his edit-warring was inappropriate, which means he believes he was right in his actions. That type of ham-fisted auto-reverting was a gigantic "fuck you" to the project, its rules, and the policies that he himself has in the past worked so hard to uphold (
talk→BWilkins←track) 11:24, 29 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Adding: it was also a "fuck you" to yourself, and other editors who have worked with him, and tried to help. Hell, even I was reaching out to him to get some idea of where his mind was, and he merely removed it without replying: that's the action of someone who doesn't care about his actions, the people helping him, or the project (
talk→BWilkins←track) 11:27, 29 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Well sorry, that you feel this way about the removal of this comment. But I'm not
"dude" for you, we're not friends and likely will never be. See my name at the top of the page.
Armbrust, B.Ed.Let's talkabout my edits? 11:30, 29 March 2012 (UTC)reply
"Dude" does not suggest we're friends. It's an exclamation of disbelief. (
talk→BWilkins←track) 11:39, 29 March 2012 (UTC)reply
...and I didn't like edit-warring, but I still reached out to help. Your attitude towards any type of help is what makes me believe even right now that you should not be unblocked. Clearly, people (including myself) have a level of respect for you - don't push them away because of a word you don't like, or because their help is beneath you (
talk→BWilkins←track) 11:48, 29 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Well I just tried to reinstate a format, which was used on this templates for a very long time. It looks like this was not right. AFAIK edits need consensus on Wikipedia, and if there is not than they are reverted (which I did). Shouldn't this mean, that they shouldn't be done again? Should I have reported Frietjes after he again made the changes without consensus?
Armbrust, B.Ed.Let's talkabout my edits? 11:54, 29 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Thank you for proving why the recent unblock should not have occurred. You know as well as anyone that consensus can change. You know that article, templates, policies are always being edited. You know that after
WP:BRD, we discuss ... and if the other party does not discuss, you stop reverting and follow
dispute resolution processes. (
talk→BWilkins←track) 12:08, 29 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Yes,
consensus can change. But that doesn't mean, that if somebody makes a change, than the consensus automatically changes. Right? Also as far as I can see from
File:BRD1.svg, the discussion should be initiated by the person, who wants to make the changes. Or should the image changed?
Armbrust, B.Ed.Let's talkabout my edits? 12:19, 29 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Yes, you're right - however, that never gives you permission to re-revert. Ever. (
talk→BWilkins←track) 13:42, 29 March 2012 (UTC)reply
If I didn't know better, and if I was an admin, I would have blocked this account on the basis of
WP:GOTHACKED. The edits Armbrust are making are odd and out of his usual behavior.—
cyberpowerChatLimited Access 13:29, 29 March 2012 (UTC)reply
I actually considered this - even the discussion above makes no sense, considering Armbrust's tenure here. (
talk→BWilkins←track) 13:42, 29 March 2012 (UTC)reply
I scanned his entire userspace and couldn't find an identity hash which kind of puts us in a conflict. Block him as a compromised account, or trust that this is really Armbrust who is being disruptive for whatever reason?—
cyberpowerChatLimited Access 13:55, 29 March 2012 (UTC)reply
AGF a bit - the recent edits are primarily the same types of edits that he's been doing prior to mid-March, so I am personally convinced it's him. Tough two weeks (plus the argument above) that sure did look like someone else (
talk→BWilkins←track) 13:58, 29 March 2012 (UTC)reply
I'm convinced. I can AGF here. I've going through a rough month myself just recently and was causing issues that could've gotten me blocked. Perhaps Armbrust is just having some personal issues right now and maybe needs a break for the moment. I have a perfect script that will help enforce that break.—
cyberpowerChatLimited Access 17:49, 29 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Removal of rollback
As per the policies on the use of the rollback tool, I have been forced to remove your access to it due to multiple uses of the tool during edit-wars. The tool has specific uses, and unfortunately your recent actions have been contrary to the approved use. You may, in the future, request review of this decision (
talk→BWilkins←track) 11:36, 29 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Ok, although I didn't use rollback to edit war. (If you disagree with this, than feel free to point them out with diffs.)
Armbrust, B.Ed.Let's talkabout my edits? 11:41, 29 March 2012 (UTC)reply
(
edit conflict) Right after posting the message, my internet disconnected, so, I could not add the section header, thanks for doing it, I have added the barnstar in your award page in
this edit! --
Tito Dutta(Send me a message) 18:07, 29 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Also a suggestion/opinion, if possible you can break your award page into section - by award type or award year (eg. 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012). It'll be easier then for other editors to quickly add new awards in last section (or the correct section) --
Tito Dutta(Send me a message) 18:18, 29 March 2012 (UTC)reply
Thanks a lot for Happy First Edit Day wishes! --
Tito Dutta(Message) 03:17, 15 April 2012 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the HB
Thanks for the happy birthday. I really appreciate the message! --
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April Fools Day AFDs
Oh timezones. I am dumb. Thanks for being on top of it. –
Roscelese (
talk ⋅
contribs) 04:24, 1 April 2012 (UTC)reply
I have every intention of getting that timeline to FL... with the caricature... no matter how many reviewers I have to bribe.–
Lionel(
talk) 01:38, 2 April 2012 (UTC)reply
I see nothing wrong with my suggestion that the 'humorous' ones be moved out of the 'real' project page, certainly nothing troutable.
Dru of Id (
talk) 09:19, 2 April 2012 (UTC)reply
Sorry, but as this was a "April Fool's MfD", I didn't read the discussion at all and the close was in the spirit of April Fool's.
Armbrust, B.Ed.Let's talkabout my edits? 10:44, 2 April 2012 (UTC)reply
I did send the following email to "permissions-en@wikimedia.org" but got no reponse so far, I guess because of Easter.
Cjweiland (
talk) 09:12, 9 April 2012 (UTC)reply
Hello, I noticed you have
File mover rights. My goal is to evantually obtain these rights through good work. I have mostly been dealing with fighting vandals but I would also like to start working with images and such. How would I do this? Where do I start? Would I have to work in the Commons? Or does Wikipedia have its own image space? I am a newbie and am asking for some help please.
WheresTristanLet's talk·
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The filemover userright is for users, who have experience in the file namespace. You currently have only one edit in these namespace and didn't upload any files. This userright is granted to users "who regularly work with media files and have demonstrated familiarity with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines surrounding renaming this type of media". You can demonstrate this by making valid rename requests and upload files with descriptive names.
Armbrust, B.Ed.Let's talkabout my edits? 10:00, 5 April 2012 (UTC)reply
Dispute resolution survey
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StevenZhangDR goes to Wikimania! 23:47, 5 April 2012 (UTC)reply
Ronnie O'Sullivan
I am going to request semi-protection and then I will remove the IP's addition. It's best if you don't revert again because you're at three reverts now, and they'll come in on you like a ton of bricks if you break 3rr.
Betty Logan (
talk) 21:20, 8 April 2012 (UTC)reply
However according to
WP:3RRNO: "Removal of libelous, biased, unsourced, or poorly sourced contentious material that violates the policy on biographies of living persons (BLP)." is an exception.
Armbrust, B.Ed.Let's talkabout my edits? 21:21, 8 April 2012 (UTC)reply
YouTube vs 2nd hand journalism
Are you seriously suggesting that articles from the bbc or from the guardian are more reliable than YouTube footage of the actual event? This is a ridiculous assertion. journalists make mistakes whereas YouTube footage of the match is uncontestable. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
62.28.80.214 (
talk) 21:34, 8 April 2012
No-one is contesting that he actually won the Masters, which is what that Youtube link seems to show. There is certainly no video footage of Neil Robertson saying what he did, and the other source about Steve Davis is not reliable.
Betty Logan (
talk) 21:43, 8 April 2012 (UTC)reply
According to
WP:NOYT: "YouTube and other video-sharing sites are not reliable sources because anyone can create or manipulate a video clip and upload without editorial oversight, just as with a self-published website." This makes Youtube unreliable source. The BBC and the Guardian websites have "editorial oversight", and this makes them reliable.
Armbrust, B.Ed.Let's talkabout my edits? 21:47, 8 April 2012 (UTC)reply
Thank you for your reply. It's clear you have a higher respect for the bbc and guardian journalism than I have! They make mistakes all the time - especially in a minority sport like snooker. It's a fair point about neil Robertson, it will be hard to find in print but there may be ... YouTube footage of it! — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Keefr (
talk •
contribs) 21:51, 8 April 2012
In your comment about living people you use the word Excemption. It should be either exemption or exception... I think! — Preceding
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Re:Happy Edit Day
Thanks for the Edit Day greetings. I can't believe I've been doing this for four years now. Time certainly flies as they say. — Preceding
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Thanks also for posting your birthday message on my talk page. Happy birthday to you too, birthday twin :-)
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Szia. Amikor megcsináltam Ronnie O'Sullivan cikkét kiemeltre a huwikin, velem átíratták a kínai neveket. Most akkor hogy van ez?
Madridista92 (
talk) 18:45, 17 April 2012 (UTC)reply
Értelek, illetve megértelek. Csak hát vannak a nem latin betűs írásokra vonatkozó irányelvek, azokat meg nem tudom megkerülni. Az már más kérdés, hogy mennyire van ez az egész túlszabályozva. Mindegy, csinálok egy köztes megoldást.
Madridista92 (
talk) 14:05, 18 April 2012 (UTC)reply
The other categories you listed would need to be moved too. Is the nature of your opposition merely procedural (failure to list the other categories), or should it go to CfD? --
P.T. Aufrette (
talk) 05:37, 22 April 2012 (UTC)reply
Hi, I disagree with your revert. First, those players were officialy ranked, just look at the official rankings that are in notes (where I found them). So, it's wrong to remove them from the first revisions. By removing them, you just create an unofficial ranking that just shows your point of view, not the one from the WPSBA. Second, the rankings are made on two years, you can't remove someone just because he s not there now, Quinten Hann was still ranked even when he was banned, just look at
Snooker world rankings 2005/2006. Moreover, your version is wrong, Liu Song isn't in the first revision even if he was playing in the main tour. Have a nice day.
BIRDIE✉ 16:11, 23 April 2012 (UTC)reply
The first sentence of the page is "The professional world rankings for all the professional snooker players who qualified for the 2010/2011 season are listed below." Which means, that players, who were not on the Main Tour shouldn't be listed by definition.
Armbrust, B.Ed.Let's talkabout my edits? 16:16, 23 April 2012 (UTC)reply
Thanks...
...for the adminship anniversary reminder. :)
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Just pointing out you went over three reverts on that page. I'm not going to hand out any blocks now but will consider it if the edit war continues. Please try to keep
WP:3RR in mind in the future.
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