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Hi Aldux, and welcome to Wikipedia.

You've been doing a lot of good editing. I've noticed that you have been copying text from Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology by William Smith. This is fine from a copyright standpoint since it is in the public domain. However there are some issues with doing this see for example: Wikipedia:1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica.

I've made a few changes to Achaeus (general) that you might want to look at, and which might be good to keep in mind. Some specifics:

• Date formats and linking see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers). For example I changed "214 b.c." to "[[214 BC]]").
• Scanned text will often include unwanted line-break hyphenation (Achaeus had a number of these).
• It is usually only necessary to link the first mention of something. I've de-linked several things.
• I inserted a template message: {{ SmithDGRBM}} (see Wikipedia:Template messages) and Wikipedia:Template messages/Sources of articles), which can be used to indicate that some text was copied from Smith's Dictionary. It should be placed at the bottom of the article.
• I also reformatted the references, to conform more to house style (see Wikipedia:Cite sources)

Once more welcome to Wikipedia. It is always great to welcome more classical editors (by the way I hope you will tell us something about yourself on your user page: Aldux — gets rid of that red link ;-) If you have any questions on the above (or anything else) don't hesitate to ask me on my talk page. Paul August ☎ 17:49, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

Aldux: I've replied to your questions on my talk page. Paul August ☎ 19:48, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

Hi Aldux, Since you didn't respond to my answer to your question on my talk page, I've decided to copy your question and my response to here (just in case you didn't see it there — if you just didn't have anything to say that's ok ;-) I also wanted to add to what I said below that another great advantage to the " Perseus" site is that you can search individual works. I've also converted the inline citations in Achaeus (general) to footnotes, and you can see how they work, and how the links to the specific passages work. Regards, Paul August ☎ 22:32, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

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Thanks for sending me your message and for your corrections to the article. I was asking myself: if you incorporate text from more than one source should I template both? You see, I incorporated text from 3 sources in an article i wrote before. A smaller question; why did you change the link for Polybius. Because my source was 1922-27, while your's is 1867, so public domain (even if I believe that also the other is). Thanks in advance for your response. You see, I'm a newbie and I still do a lot of errors. (unsigned comment by Aldux at 18:27, July 14, 2005 (UTC))

Hi Aldux. The templates are only intended to be used if you copy text verbatim. If you copy from more than one source then you should mention all of them (using templates if they exist). In any case every work used should be listed in the "References" section, whether or not a "This article incorporates text from ..." template was used.

As regards the Polybius reference change, it had nothing to do with dates or being in the public domain, which of course isn't an issue so long as you are not copying text. Either your Edward's Polybius, or my Shuckburgh's Polybius would be ok as a reference. However, it is good where possible to give an "on-paper" reference with complete bibliographic information (e.g. translator, publisher, year etc.), which yours didn't, and I had that info handy for mine. (One of the virtues of "on-paper", is that there will probably be a printed version of Wikipedia someday.) It is of course also very nice to have an online version of the reference, which both our references have. But I much prefer the Perseus site ;-) it is easier to use and it has a lot more linked information. And you can provide links to the exact passages cited. (For an example see Demetrius of Pharos#Notes) In any case we can list both if you want. Or if you just want to provide an online link to that site, without listing it in the references section, you can add an "External links" section, and put it there.

By the way, you can sign and time stamp your posts by typing four tildes like so: "~~~~". Happy editing ;-)

Paul August ☎ 19:45, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

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I just wanted to thank you for all the corrections you made to the articles on which I've worked; I'm sorry I keep doing a lot of errors, but I'm trying to improve :-) And if you ever think that my prose's horrible, don't take problems in mending it; English is only my second language. Bye! Aldux 12:15, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

Hi Aldux. You are very welcome. I don't mind at all trying to help a bit with the great contributions you are making. And you do seem to be picking up things quickly. Keep up the good work! Paul August ☎ 19:25, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

Hi Aldux, I noticed you are continuing to make excellent progress transferring material from Smith's Dictionary. Are you planning to do the whole thing? I bet you are learning a lot. I also saw you caught and reverted some vandalism at Roman empire good work. So I thought I would award you with a Barnstar on your user page, for all your great work. By the way, I just noticed it says on your user page that you live in Firenze. Lucky you! It is one of my favorite cities. My major professor (and his wife) will be teaching there for a semester in the fall. My wife and I will be visiting them in November. Perhaps we could share a beer? or a glass of vino? I'm afraid I don't speak any Italian, but your English seems pretty good ;-) Paul August ☎ 21:54, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

I really appreciated the award! :-) That said, I must in honesty reply that Smith's Dictionary (or better Dictionaries, since they're three: Biography, Antiques, Geography) is simply to big for a lazy one like me; and, also, I would like to work a bit on Wace's Dictionary of Christian Biography, a bit partisan but very detailed. For certain I can only say that I'll keep working with the history articles.

As for Firenze, alas!, I've just finished my post-university studies and I've returned home. Not that I've gone very far away: I'm just fifty miles upstream where the river Arno passes by Firenze, in a small town called Subbiano, near Arezzo. As for November, I must confess its to early to answer, since much depends on where the Public Education ministry decides to send me, which is for now a mistery. But if I can I'd be happy to meet you :-) Aldux 15:51, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

OK, we can chat again when it gets closer to November ;-) Paul August ☎ 14:18, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

Hi Aldux, I've replied on my talkpage: User_talk:Paul August. Paul August ☎ 21:42, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

Hai Aldux, there are intresting articles about Ayyavazhi, a new religion on both mythology and religiosity. Wikipedia is rich with this topic in English, but poor in other languages. Since french is a leading language in Wikipedia it is better to translate the contents on this AYYAVAZHI family to french. - Paul Raj

Hello! I've noticed your interest in classical antiquity. Could you please check the change I've just made regarding Thebans on Alexander. I must warn you though that the Alexander wiki attracts vandalism and/or edit wars.

My second request is also about Thebans. If you can please take a look at Talk:Battle_of_Thermopylae#Thebans and the related changes on that article. As you'll read, I'm also looking for Herodotus' malice by Plutarch.

Thanks! +MATIA ☎ 10:31, 1 October 2005 (UTC) reply

Hi, Matia :-) I've just controlled that edit on the Thebans & Alexander: i believe your edit is correct, as proved by this:

"His rapid march into the south of Greece over­awed all opposition; Thebes, which had been most active against him, submitted when he ap­peared at its gates; and the assembled Greeks at the Isthmus of Corinth, with the sole exception of the Spartans, elected him to the command against Persia, which had previously been bestowed upon his father. Being now at liberty to reduce the barbarians of the north to obedience, he marched (early in 335 BC) across mount Haemus, defeated the Triballi, and advanced as far as the Danube, which he crossed, and received embassies from the Scythians and other nations. On his return, he marched westward, and subdued the Illyrians and Taulantii, who were obliged to sub­mit to the Macedonian supremacy. While engaged in these distant countries, a report of his death reached Greece, and the Thebans once more took up arms. But a terrible punishment awaited them. He advanced into Boeotia by rapid marches, and appeared before the gates of the city almost before the inhabitants had received intelligence of his approach. The city was taken by assault; all the buildings, with the exception of the house of Pindar, were levelled with the ground; most of the inhabitants butchered, and the rest sold as slaves. Athens feared a similar fate, and sent an embassy deprecating his wrath; but Alexander did not ad­vance further; the punishment of Thebes was a sufficient warning to Greece." Smith's Dictionary

As for the sources see Plutarch, 11, Diodorus, xvii. 8-17, Justin, xi. 1-4, Arrian, i. 7-9

My only objection is to "Philip was content to deprive Thebes of her dominion over Boeotia." This isn't fully exact: it would also seem from the sources that a Macedonian garrison was imposed by Philip on the Cadmeia, Thebes' citadel.

I hope this is of some help for the first question, for now. Bye :-) Aldux 12:02, 1 October 2005 (UTC) reply

That was quick! Will you add part of these on that section of the article? If you can't (or anything) I could do some changes later today. +MATIA ☎ 12:23, 1 October 2005 (UTC) reply

As for the second request, I must confess that the Persian Wars is not one of the pieces of Greek history I know best. I'll give you these links to the sources, hoping they help, especially the latter: Diodorus, xi. 5-11; Plutarch, Essays and Miscellanies, "On the malice of Herodotus" (this is the sixteenth essay in the e-book) Aldux 22:55, 1 October 2005 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux. I am coming to Firenze, sooner than I told you, I will arrive on October 23, and I will leave on November 11. I will be visiting American friends of mine who are in Firenza now. I will also be traveling south to Calabria sometime during this period. So anyway if you are still in the area, and you want to make your way to the city, it might be fun to meet up somewhere, sometime ;-) Ciao — Paul August ☎ 19:35, 8 October 2005 (UTC) reply

Why not? I do make a jump to Firenze now and then, so it may be possible to meet somewhere :-) Hoping all goes well, ci si vede (i.e. see you) ;-) Aldux 15:24, 9 October 2005 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux. I sent you an email, with a phone number of my friend who I will be staying with in Firenze. Hope to see you. Paul August ☎ 15:17, 10 October 2005 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux. I've replied on my talk page. Paul August ☎ 18:26, 11 October 2005 (UTC) reply

I saw no source, and doubted your edits. I believe you may be confusing Meleager (king) with Meleager. I'm assuming good faith though as you seem to be a trustworthy user, so feel free to revert. freestylefrappe 17:58, 16 October 2005 (UTC) reply

Hi, this is in response to your comment on the merger. As the other article says that Purushottama may have been Porus, it is prudent to wait. Not all wikipedians would be active on a daily basis and a week wouldn't hurt either ways. btw, I believe that I shd have the privilege to merge the articles as I have tagged them and initiated the discussion. ;) -- Gurubrahma 06:31, 29 October 2005 (UTC) reply

Your obviously wright, Gurubrahma; as the first who put the tag you have a right of precedence in the merging ;-) Give a look at this article, maybe it can be useful. Aldux 10:00, 29 October 2005 (UTC) reply

Hi Alex. I'm back in Cambridge. I had a great time in Italy, and I enjoyed very much meeting you in person. In case you feel like contributing, here is the Dante list I was telling you about: List of cultural references in The Divine Comedy. Regards, Paul August ☎ 23:40, 14 November 2005 (UTC) reply

Hi Paul :-) Happy to hear of you again, and to know that you enjoyed Italy. As for our little meeting, the pleasure's was all mine, as I had a real great day :-) Bye, and thanks for the link! Aldux 18:09, 15 November 2005 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the additions to the list. I will get back to it soon, I promise. Filiocht | The kettle's on 14:46, 18 November 2005 (UTC) reply

Oh, it's a pleasure, I love your list :-) With Leopardi, Dante is the Italian poet I love most. The only problem is I only have the Italian original, and I don't dare translate the pieces of the Comedy i cite in the list. And I hope you will be merciful with my English ;-) Aldux 19:14, 18 November 2005 (UTC) reply

No! No mercy for Aldux, only penance! For each English mistake, he must complete another Canto! By the way what the heck does "tinga" mean? Paul August ☎ 21:23, 18 November 2005 (UTC) reply

Ahimé! Couldn't I whip myself on the back instead? ;-) As for what is "tigna" (Inf. XV, 111), literally it's a disease of the skin, and more in general it means things like "filth" or anything you would want to avoid like Hell ;-) Aldux 22:11, 18 November 2005 (UTC) reply

Please, instead of reverting Deucalionite, give it some time so that this editor can realise the situation. Thanks! :) +MATIA ☎ 22:36, 26 November 2005 (UTC) reply

"Hellenistic ruler" is an exonym which refers to a Greek ruler of the Hellenistic Kingdoms. In the Hellenistic age all cultures and people that were Hellenised were referred to as Greek, never as Hellenistic. Best example of this is the late works of the christian Bible, have a look at the sample text in the article Koine Greek. I tried to reflect this reality in the article Diadochoi but you kept reverting. Miskin 09:58, 29 November 2005 (UTC) reply

Without offence, the point is that I'm not really interested in how in the Greeks called themselves in this context. Historians have always used these conventions (Byzantine, Hellenistic, Middle Ages, etc.) and since they continue to use them, so shall I. While others may be fighting for the truth, I'm only interested in stating what is the academic mainstream on the subjects I touch. Aldux 10:35, 29 November 2005 (UTC) reply

I saw your comment that every biog. should have a separate article. That seems reasonable. So I created a new skeletal article for Simmias of Thebes and renamed your Simmias article Simmias of Macedon. I also created a disambiguation page for Simmias. I'm new to Wikipedia. Do these changes strike you as OK? WikiPedant 06:44, 1 December 2005 (UTC) reply

Absolutely perfect. Continue the good work! :-) Aldux 12:15, 1 December 2005 (UTC) reply

Thanks for your selective pruning of this article. It's been of need of some skeptical and judicious editing by an editor who is not already involved. Cheers, Banyan Tree 21:34, 7 December 2005 (UTC) reply

Thanks to you! I'm happy you liked them :-) Aldux 22:20, 7 December 2005 (UTC) reply

Hello, I've seen the contributions you have made and I have seen you know what you are doing, so that's why I wanted to ask why you reverted my edit on the Seleucus_II_Callinicus page. He was the last selucid king in persia, after him the Parthia dynasty started. (Aytakin)

Hi! the reason I reverted is that Seleucus II wasn't the last Seleucid king in Persia, and they kept control of the key Iranian provinces (Media, Susiana, Fars) for still a century. The Seleucids were not ousted from Iran till Mithridates I of Parthia defeated Demetrius II Nicator. The Arsacids till then controlled only Parthia, one of the lest important Persian provinces. Aldux 22:08, 7 December 2005 (UTC) reply

Why are you reverting my changes? Also what kind of references do you need? For what claim? “Unlike the time before WWII, when Macedonia was hotbed for unrest and terror and about 60% of the entire royal Yugoslav police force was stationed there, “ – this is not disputed by anybody. See VMRO#The_interwar_years. " Numerous assassinations (over 1,000 by one account) were carried out by IMRO agents in many countries, the majority in Yugoslavia. The most spectacular of these was the assassination of King Alexander of Yugoslavia and the French Foreign Minister, Louis Barthou, in Marseille". Or "contemporary observers described the Yugoslav-Bulgarian frontier as the most fortified in Europe"

“after the war there were no signs of disturbances comparable with pre war times or” I don’t need references for event that never happen. It is the Bulgarians that need to put some kind of references of some kind of incident. Surely if 100 K+ was imprisoned we would have at least one bomb or assassination somewhere?

“post war times in other parts of former Yugoslavia, such as Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia.” Read for example Ustasa#After_the_war. “Ustaše were implicated in over two dozen terrorist acts following the post-war period.” -- Cigor 17:31, 13 December 2005 (UTC) reply

Hi Cigor :-) You must understand that my objections do not come from disbelief, on the contrary between the two theories I think your seems the nearest to truth. But you have to understand that these statements may be contested may be others, all the one you mentioned. When I mean sourcing I mean mentioning scholar xxxx and historian xxxx so to substain the points against possible future objections. Second, context can help: like if you write "Macedonia was very peaceful after WWII, compared to the inter-wars years" and here putting a rapid allusion to the VMRO violence, and if you write "also compared to Croatia and Bosnia", and adding something like, "where ustasa violence was active in the first post-war decade". These are only examples, and I have no doubt you can find something better. If you still have some questions or objections, don't have problems asking. Bye :-) Aldux 18:09, 13 December 2005 (UTC) reply

In general I agree with you, but I don’t see the same policy applied for the Bulgarian claim. All we have there is statements of politicians. It’s really not that hard to make a decent research of the alleged repressions of Bulgarians in Macedonia. They have an institute in Sophia that deals exclusively about Macedonia. If there were indeed 100K+ (or even few thousands), I am sure some of their scholar would have abundantly documented this claim. But they didn’t and all they have is arbitrary statements from politicians.

Anyway, the entire claim makes no sense. Why would “Bulgarians” revolt if the Bulgarian government acknowledged the existence of Macedonian nation after WWII . This policy was reverted in the 1950s/1960s but by that time there was little doubt in Macedonia what kind of people they are.

There were 12,000 out of total 18,000 policemen in Macedonia before WWII. As for comparison with Croatia and Serbia, have in mind that there were still cetnicks and ustasa guerilla until the early 1950s. There were many terrorist acts in Croatia and Bosnia. Not to mention the big MASPOK in the early 1970s. None of that occurred in Macedonia. Conclusion: Is it possible that the people in Macedonia were happy with the existing solution?

Regards,-- Cigor 18:24, 13 December 2005 (UTC) reply

I accept your apology Aldux. I too apologize if I said anything that offended you. My purpose here is not to offend anyone or to make anyone think that they are not intelligent enough to contribute positively here on Wikipedia. I truly appreciate your courage in taking the time to apologize. For that, you have my unmitigated respect.

Moreover, I am not against the commonalities shared between Greeks and Romans. I may be so bold as to say that the Romans were offspring of the Greeks. Of course, I have met Italians who don't like that statement. The point I was trying to make in the discussion page is that the Greek social mentality is always oriented on distinguishing itself even if it has commonalities with other civilizations. For instance, Athenians and Spartans were Greeks and both groups knew they were brothers. However, they wanted to retain their distinct local identities.

Look, I never doubted that you were (and still are) adept in your understanding of the Byzantine Empire. Just so you know, I am not against Western European scholarship for their positive contributions to academia. I am against Western European scholarship to the extent that I am against actual academics with Ph.D's and Master's degrees who preach that modern Greeks are Turks or that the Byzantines were non-Greek. Also, there are some Greek scholars who do the same thing, and that I find to be very dishonorable on their part. If any of these statements were true, you would not see me arguing at all. My arguments have their reasons and are based on either sources or well-thought-out social analyses. If I make a mistake, then I accept it and move on (of course, I admit I have inherited the ancient Greek characteristic of extreme stubborness and cannot seem to move on after making a mistake; sometimes I just cannot help it).

Just so you know, I only mock people when I have to defend myself against those who needlessly deride my heritage. Please understand where I am coming from. I have spoken to Turks, Albanians, and F.Y.R.O.Mians (fake "Macedonians") who (for no reason at all) attack my heritage as if they have nothing else better to do. All of this needless pressure sort of forces me to defend my ancestors, their history and heritage. I do not like it when people lie to me about my heritage. Not so much because it bothers me, but also because it does a great injustice to future generations who may want to know the truth about the achievements of great civilizations.

Again, I am sorry if I said anything to offend you. I did keep my promise that I would provide sources to support the statements I have made on the article Names of the Greeks (you can find them on the discussion page). I am sorry if I treated you like an alien. I admit, I assumed that you were supporting those Western European "scholars" who love ancient Greece and pretend to love Byzantine history when in fact they despise it. If you are a Roman, then chances are you have Greek blood. Moreover, your love for the Greco-Roman will not go unrewarded.

Your apology is honorably accepted and I hope that we never have to fight again. Take care Aldux. Over and out. - Deucalionite 12/15/05 12:56 P.M. EST

Much respect to you and thank you for your contributions to Alexander.

I have no problem with including R. Lane Fox's opinion, however, on omitting the "multiple doses" argument, I disagree. R. Lane Fox is correct that such long-acting poisons were probably not available then, but they weren't needed if you consider multiple doses. There would not need to be a "long acting poison." Multiple doses could've been used.

Also, I disagree with your omission of the fact that the warrior culture favored the sword -- direct killing -- over poison. I believe this is a critical argument against poisoning.

Please consider these changes.

Much respect,

Nick 02:23, 18 December 2005 (UTC) reply

The discussion has been started up again. Since we apparently disagree... I invite you to come over and hash it out at the source. That seems to be the most positive thing to do with a hot topic like this.

→ P.MacUidhir (t) (c) 14:09, 18 December 2005 (UTC) reply

Thanks! I stole your barnstar a while back in a fit of boredom, and failed to edit it correctly! :-)

Hi Aldux I've replied on my talk page. Paul August ☎ 22:25, 22 December 2005 (UTC) reply

Hey Aldux,

Thanks for the cluster of stubs you've been putting up lately regarding the Makololo--I keep running into them via Wikipedia:List of missing Africa topics and I wanted you to know the efforts are much appreciated! -- Dvyost 17:35, 24 December 2005 (UTC) reply

Thanks! :-) And don't worry; I project to write quite a lot on African history, especially late 19th and 20th century. Aldux 19:30, 26 December 2005 (UTC) reply

That I will greatly look forward to seeing. Let me know if there's ever anything I can do to lend a hand! Happy Christmas and Merry New Year, -- Dvyost 20:59, 26 December 2005 (UTC) reply

Hi,

I agree about your point regarding the meaning of the word Pyrrhus. However, you seem to have deleted my pronunciation aid as well, which I think should stay.

Primetime 11:59, 27 December 2005 (UTC) reply

Hi Primetime :-) The point is that if we really want to put a pronunciation aid, I have a feeling we should put it for the original Greek name, not for the Latin one. But I won't insist on this issue, so, if you think it's better your way, there's no problem. Aldux 12:16, 27 December 2005 (UTC) reply

That sounds ok. Feel free to replace my pronunciation with a Greek one if you'd like.

Have a good one,

Primetime 12:34, 27 December 2005 (UTC) reply

You edited my last insertion re deaths of Kapwepwe and Nkumbula. FYI, although nothing was even proven the fact remains that a cloud of suspition has always hung there about KK's role, if any. Knowing the man for many years, I doubt he had anything to do with it (nor Miller's death in fact) but the reality of the situation cannot be ignored or PC'd. Further, Kaunda never referred to African Humanisim but plain Humanisim on the basis that he wanted to show his position in a global perspective and not merely an African/regional one.-- Rhodie 14:38, 27 December 2005 (UTC) reply

I'm against accusing Kaunda on the article of killing the two; there are simply too little proofs to make it anything more than a conspiration theory, and I have a grudge against the latter. I've also edited your last insertion: Kaunda was not as generous with his money as you seem to believe, especially to the ZANU. Aldux 15:40, 27 December 2005 (UTC) reply

I'm removing the .mk links for the same reason that I'm not using "Greek" sources to edit this article. I'm also removing the term "Ottoman" because it was a silly compromise attempt of another editor, and has no remote reflection of reality. Have a look at my recent reverts in Macedonian Orthodox Church. Please support me to keep such chauvinist POVs out of wikipedia, or oppose me by citing sources that prove me wrong, but don't revert me with a plain edit summary because that wastes both of our time. Miskin 17:21, 29 December 2005 (UTC) reply

Hi Miskin :-) I don't have problems with the removal of "Ottoman", if only because the Manakis passed only a part of their lives in the empire;

Hello, Aldux, I just noticed this discussion here. I think it would be better to hold it on the Talk page so that all interested editors can contribute. I am not sure why Miskin is opposed to using the word "Ottoman" in this article, as the thing they are most famous for -- the early films -- were made while Monastir was still Ottoman. They apparently stayed on in Yugoslav Bitola until the 20's at least, and at some point apparently left for Greece. It would be good to have more information about all that of course. -- Macrakis 23:58, 30 December 2005 (UTC) reply

and as to one of the links, I'm of the same opinion with you that it's to nationalistic to stand; but the second in my opinion should remain, because 1) It has some nice photos 2) Useful information 3) It's quite honest and does not pretend the Manakis to be Macedonians 4) Comes from the site of the Bitola film festival. If you want me to search other links to add to this one, OK; and I don't see why you should abstain yourself by putting an ex. link, if it's a biog. that adds useful info and not a polemic piece.

And as for Macedonian Orthodox Church, please don't ask me. When I start controlling an article, I can't help keep monitoring it, and confronting endlessly again a user like Macedonia in still another article would be too hard for me. So sorry :-( Aldux 18:49, 29 December 2005 (UTC) reply

Nevermind what I said before, I hadn't checked the diffs on your edits. Now it's fine the way it is. And don't worry about Jonathunder, I think he just follows me around. Miskin 02:28, 30 December 2005 (UTC) reply

Sorry about the revertions in St Cyril, I didn't notice you had made changes. As I have sourced in the discussion, Culumbia describes the two brother as "Greek missionaries". Normally I wouldn't have wanted to put that in the article, but I'm annoyed by the attitude of pan-Slavists editors. They won't even admit the fact that Byzantine Greek was his native language. Miskin 18:56, 30 December 2005 (UTC) reply

No problem Miskin :-) As for the ethnicity of the two, I've just given a look to my Italian encyclopedia which also describes the two saints as "fratelli Greci", meaning in English "Greek brothers". Aldux 20:25, 30 December 2005 (UTC) reply

So do virtually all Latin and Italian references of the Roman Catholic Church. As for the Eastern Orthodox ones, there's not even any need to search. Regards. Miskin 21:47, 30 December 2005 (UTC) reply

Thank you for your support of my RfA, and for your generous comment. I appreciate your confidence. Best wishes for a happy new year, Tom Harrison ^Talk 13:38, 4 January 2006 (UTC) reply

I created an article for Kukawa. Could you add when it first became capital? Also I have an old British book (1900) that refers to the independent "Sultanate of Bornu" (It was written after the Anglo-French agreements but just before the partition was actually implemented). I have also seen a reference to Nachtigal visiting the "Sultanate" in 1870. But the ruler seems to have been an Emir. What was the correct name of the country in the late 19th century? Jameswilson 00:15, 5 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks for your reply. If you put 'rabeh bornu' into google, the top pages listed seem to suggest that he seized power and made himself ruler of Bornu, rather than destroying it. My 1900 book (Geography of the World, George Philip and Son for the Civil Service Book Depot, London) doesnt name him, but certainly confirms that impression. It says that in 1900, Bornu and Wadai (and Wadai's tributary states of Kanem and Bagirmi} were all independent "Mohammedan Negroid States". The European powers had agreed partition but had not yet implemented it. The Kukawa population figure does not have a date (as I wrtongly thought) but certainly no mention is made of any destruction of the city itself.

On Bornu specifically, it says:- " Bornu, that is, Bar-noa, or the Land of Noah, is a lovely and fruitful country, to the west and south of Lake Chad. It has a population of perhaps 50,000 sq m and a population of about 5 million, chiefly Kanuri Negroes, The greater part of Bornu lies within the British sphere. The Kanuri (people of the light) Negroes are a mixed race of Negroes and Tibbus, and are regarded as "the most civiised people in Central Africa and their woven fabrics, pottery and metal ware are highly prized throughoutthe Sudan". Like the Maba Negores, or rather the Negroids of Wadai, the Kanuris hold the Arab immigrants and other races in subjection. Both these Mohammedan Sultanates are indeed remarkable examples of indigenous Negro civilisation, each possessing a well-organised admnistration, a Court and a Government, with all their dignities and offices, Unhappily, however, the whole policy of these States is based on slavery, and the traffic in human beings is still carried on (source: Keith Johnson. The London Geography). The Sultan has an army of 30,000 men partly armed with rifles, a strong force of cavalry, and even some artillery ....There are several towns with over 10,000 inhabitants in Bornu Proper and the larger tributary States, and Kuka or Kukawa, the capital of the Sultanate, has a population of 50,000 to 60,000, and is one of the great markets of the Central Sudan. (my note - old definition of Sudan = countries of the Sahel too). ....A comparatively short line of railway from Yola or from Ribago, to Kuka, would result in a great expansion of British trade in the Central Sudan."

Just wanted to say thanks for clarifying the time period of the Germanic settlers of Lombards and Ostrogoths into Northern Italy. I was a little confused when you said "medieval period" because I thought you were talking about Barbarossa's invasion of Milan and northern Italy. Also, I'm interested in making a list of "notable Italians" to be included in the article as is seen in some other ethnic group articles. Let me know what you think about it, Epf 14:45, 6 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux, I've made a proposal for some new language at Talk:Eusebius of Caesarea. I'd be interested in your thoughts. Thanks — Paul August ☎ 20:52, 6 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux. I've put the Indo-Greek Kingdom on the Wikipedia:Featured article candidates pages. Thanks to put in your vote! PHG 14:01, 20 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Why? See you Talk:Vergina Sun -- Asteraki 17:57, 20 January 2006 (UTC) reply

The addition was much needed and it appears good. The only problem I have is the present tense. I think a past tense through the sections would be better (maybe the French preferred the present tense, here? :) ). I may change it to a past tense myself, and see how it reads. Alexander 007 19:53, 21 January 2006 (UTC) reply

I like it! I was also thinking of translating from French, they have a good article on the Macedonian army. Alexander 007 20:03, 21 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Actually I'm not retarded. The ancient Assyrians used Cuneiform and spoke a dialect of "Akkadian" just as the Babylonians did. They later adopted Aramaic as their language and used derivative of the Phonecian alphabet. I still don't understand why you're deleting the name in Syriac. You included the Greek names. She clearly wasn't Greek.

I don't think you're retarded, and if I gave you this impression, accept my excuses. I included the Greek name because this article is devoted to the mythical figure, first given us by the Greeks; that she really existed, and is Shamuramat, is only a hypothesis. Have care. Aldux 22:57, 23 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi,i've seen some of yoour articles and i must recognise that it is for respect. But i have a question for you and please give me an answer on my user page. Why are you ignoring the history logical facts about my land? Please expolain to me how is it posibble that the ancient macedonians desapeared and haven't mix with the new commed.wehere did they go(I'm sure that the ancient macedonians and theese days greeks were different like italians and germans in novadays)cose i've seen to many prooves in order to ve relativic according to that ^{citation needed} >Cose i'm sush an person that see peple's mind throught eyes. How can you write that the macedonians who went in the west lands declared them self as bulgarians when still are recognised and declared as macedonians there? On the end please return that what i'v wrote on the page about macedonia and start to be neutral (regarding macedonia) think from now on from olimp to south.cose im human just like you. RESPECT

Hi again :) according to you the ancient macedonians later were asimilated and becomed trully greeks? whell i belive in the opossite. How is it possible states polisis like greek ones to start something like that and assimilate an state ^{citation needed} large as the sum of all greek polisies (NO LOGIC).Visit this site please www.historyofmacedonia.org and look at some fact,they are too many for me to write them here for you. And please let me know what is your meaning after. Thanx again.

Indo-Greek Kingdom is now a Featured article. Thanks for the great support! PHG 22:24, 26 January 2006 (UTC) reply

I've replied on my talk page. Paul August ☎ 00:07, 27 January 2006 (UTC) reply

Please read first the discussion page before intervening on articles. A Benne unilaterally moved the existing Assyrian genocide article to Syriac genocide. The discussion page clearly shows that this was not sustained by anyone but Benne himself. He's trying to promote the use of the term "Syriacs" in place of "Assyrians", which is the usual scientifically-accepted ethnonym (even if it is also used by Assyrian nationalists). Please revert your modifications there: I couldn't move the article in another way since there was already an Assyrian genocide article, so I hade to use the paste function. Due to Benne's actions (and some other like-minded) a lot of articles have to be corrected now, on the base of scientific articles and books and not on the base of nationalist or religious biases. -- Pylambert 15:26, 5 February 2006 (UTC) reply

I may have been fooled by an unsupported claim on the Philip II page. Will return to the topic if a source turns up. Haiduc 23:39, 7 February 2006 (UTC) reply

I've noticed your work on History of Chad. You may want to join Wikipedia:WikiProject Chad. KI 17:49, 11 February 2006 (UTC) reply

FROLINAT and French titles - That's fine. I just want to keep the other titles as redirects. KI 21:11, 11 February 2006 (UTC) reply

We have a new member - Elf-friend. Success! KI 18:20, 20 February 2006 (UTC) reply

I'm trying to get this to "good article" status and recently finished fixing the references, though I have to give credit to Uncle G, Eitan1989, and Grenavitar, who did the bulk of the work. I was wondering if there's any information or points of view I might have missed that you'd like to include. I'm also going to change the style of dating for the references to one uniform style. Any preferences? KI 19:27, 12 February 2006 (UTC) reply

I filed a request for arbitration for the naming conventions of the Macedonia related articles: Wikipedia:RFAR#Macedonia_naming_dispute. I have listed you as a party involved. Bitola 14:50, 1 March 2006 (UTC) reply

I noticed you contributed significantly to List of Chadians. I have listed it for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Chadians. KI 21:41, 1 March 2006 (UTC) reply

You may have already seen, but I've listed this as the collaboration of the month on the Wikiproject. In addition, I've come up with a template for Chad articles. Template:WikiProject Chad. Feel free to improve it or to add other collaborations. KI 01:13, 5 March 2006 (UTC) reply

I notice you voted on the recent proposed move of Lombard language. Please check out a new proposal here: Talk:Lombard language. AjaxSmack 20:04, 5 March 2006 (UTC) reply

Update on the Chad-Sudan conflict. 151.188.16.13 16:16, 6 March 2006 (UTC) reply

It's true that Greece has had varying borders, but Strabo includes Macedonia as its Northern-most part. Modern sources are following this practice. Miskin 12:07, 8 March 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the help at Bitola article. I was using the Macedonian literature and I had problems in translation, but now I know much more about William of Tyre! Bitola 12:20, 8 March 2006 (UTC) reply

I have come here to stay:) Thanks for your support and compliments, I really appreciate your opinion! Bitola

Feb 2006–Apr 2006 Information

U are right,it was an official symbol.but u have also removed were the symbol was discovered and the fact that it is not related to the slavic cultures,since it was used before the appearance of the slavs in the region.why?-- Hectorian 15:58, 10 March 2006 (UTC) reply

Ok,i am not blaming u...i thought that u just had not noticed that(i saw the articles u have worked on,and i know u did not do that deliberately).btw,it was not my edit.well,we call this area Macedonia,not northern greece-there is no sort of claim there.Ciao:-)-- Hectorian 16:22, 10 March 2006 (UTC) reply

Just a link to show u the reduction of the population of Chios during the past 5 decades [1]

Well done!that's the source;-)if u ever need anything concerning greece(ancient or modern-i've seen u have an interest particulary in ancient),don't hesitate asking me.Ciao-- Hectorian 20:40, 11 March 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks for participating in my RfA. It passed with a final tally of 98/13/10, just two short of making WP:100. If you need my help with anything, don't hesitate to ask.

Naconkantari e| t|| c| m 23:17, 12 March 2006 (UTC) reply

I'm working on translating a biography from Italian to English, in order to write a featured article. If possible, can you please translate just this paragraph:

Avevano grandi dipendenze in Anghiari, siccome in terra posta a poche miglia dal loro seggio, perciò il Maggi, uomo toscano, cercava di farsi in Chiapino, principalissimo di suo casato e soldato di Cosimo, un saldo appoggio in Corte di Firenze; a lui pertanto volgevasi il giovane poeta, lui colmando di lodi, nonchè Giovanni delle Bande Nere e l'avven-turoso suo figlio, che salendo sul trono di Firenze aveva incarnata quell'idea, alla quale in lieta ed avversa fortuna non aveva mai cessato di rivolgere ogni sua mira. Ne'cinque canti il Maggi (vero versificatore del secolo XVI) lagnasi della trista sua sorte, mostrando quanto scontento fosse dell'avvocatura da lui esercitata per mero bisogno.

Thanks for your help :) — ₀₉₁₈ ^BRIAN • 2006-03-14 05:03

• Question: Is the "Court of Florence" a court of law, or a court of royalty/nobility? — ₀₉₁₈ ^BRIAN • 2006-03-17 03:22

Hello Aldux. I'm a new user but I noticed your edits in the Macedonians article and I want to thank you for your contribution and constructive attitude. That being said I don't doubt your neutrality and well intentions. But I must tell you that I dont agree with you on two points:

• The use of the term "Slavophones" for the Macedonians of Slavic descend in Greece.

The term is not percise and one consequence could be that they can be mistaken for Bulgarians. Also they dont see themselves as "Slavophones" but as Macedonians. In my view they should at least be reffered as Slavophone Macedonians in Greece. I belive this should be acceptable to the Greek users also, because they should at least accept it in the geographical sense - they are Macedonians, because they live in Macedonia

• The inclusion of: "It should be noted that Census data in European countries often does not take into account what ethnicity immigrates from the Republic of Macedonia, as is the case with Italy and Germany"

I no longer dispute this being a fact, because I'm not aware how exactly this is done in Italy and Germany. However I think it is unnecesary to include it because it is already mentioned that numbers for Italy and Germany reffer to citizens of the Republic of Macedonia, when theese two countries are mentioned below. This way it's being mentioned twice. In similar articles such things are not mentioned at all. There is no mention even of such significant coumunities as the Turkish Kurds in Germany, the Serbian Roma in Germany and Italy and so on and so on. This way we make even more exeptions in the Macedonians article wich then serve for negating the existance of the Macedonian people.

I'd be gratefull for your opinions on this matters. Regards -- Realek 19:39, 14 March 2006 (UTC) reply

Hello again. Well straight to busines this time :)

• I agree that the use of "Slavic" can be more apropriate in the first sentance about greece: Greece adopted strongly repressive policies towards the Slavic population in its northern regions. But in the rest of the text we shoud talk specifically about the Macedonians not the Bulgarians. So there is no need to talk about the whole slavophone population in Greece. The issues of the Bulgarian portion of this population should be adressed in the Bulgarians article. I would agree that only in the case of Greece "slavophone" could be added in front of Macedonians to differentiate from Greeks living in the Macedonia region. Would you agree to this?
• I agree with you that most of the people articles are ridden with nationalisms of the worst sort. I do not object to the inclusion of the paragraf per se. What bothers me is that the Macedonians article doesn't follow the standards used in the other "people articles". This gives "ammunition" to the negators of the very existance of Macedonians. But it's a more accurate article with the paragraph included so I wont object to it anymore.

Regards -- Realek 23:32, 15 March 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi. I did not know about that policy about my Britanical link. Can you point me to where it says that a link, such as to Britanica, can not be used unless it's a free link, even though its available free as a cached on a google search? Giovanni33 01:16, 16 March 2006 (UTC) reply

Hello Aldux. For those that do not have an account with Britannica, the trick to seeing the full cached version free is simply to use Google and enter in its search: Eusebius Of Caesarea. Encyclopædia Britannica. It should pull up as the first entry, I believe, and it will be the full article. If I give you a link directly, you will get the partial view only. Giovanni33 20:12, 17 March 2006 (UTC) reply

Sucks, but what the hey. 2006 Chad Presidential Election. KI 00:25, 18 March 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux. Would you be able to help me out on Adana? The guy keeps reverting. Thanks. -- Khoikhoi 19:31, 18 March 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi!I tried in Adana to show that the sources provided could not be used in the article.however,i did not revert the whole article,for fear that this would lead to one more edit-war.but,i guess u are right...it's no use trying to explain to nationalists...If u have any source about that(the french source u mentioned)it would be nice to provide it,so that the chances of reverting the massacre will be limited.Regards-- Hectorian 23:45, 20 March 2006 (UTC) reply

From French to English for the 2006 Coup article. KI 03:41, 19 March 2006 (UTC) reply

Aldux,with all respect to your POV and your knowledge in the matter and your good will,i would like to point that RoM had indeed irrendistic claims over greece,since they printed maps showing that their country should extend to Olympus and since they used symbols from the greek region of macedonia as official(not only the Vergina Sun,but also the White Tower in Thessaloniki).also,they had an article in their constitution talking about protection of 'Macedonians' in neighbouring countries,which could also be seen as interfering in other states' issues.furthermore,their official education system teaches them that they are descendants of the ancient macedonians who happen to be slavicized,that's why i am insisting so much in making this distinction clear in the article.what is obvious to u(that the ancient macedonians were a different people) is not to them.ciao-- Hectorian 22:24, 21 March 2006 (UTC) reply

That is not true Hectorian.

• The maps are not printed by the Republic of Macedonia, but publishers I guess. I have one of theese maps and funny thing it was printed in Bulgaria. Would you accuse them of irredentistic claims over Greece? Anyway since Greek users tend to claim how powerfull Greece is and how week Macedonia is; and how Greece is going to impose its will on its neighbour using all this power, you can't be really serious about the territorial claims. Surely you can find loonies in any country, but note that Macedonia never claimed any neghbour's territory (unlike most of the countries in the region during the 90s). I would like to add that the maps are more like historic maps. Macedonia shown on them is Macedonia how the Macedonian revolutionaries (you would say Bulgarian revolutionaries, but that way you would accuse Bulgaria) thought the Country should be like. So - is a map of Austo-Hungary today a territorial claim threathening all the countries around?
• Many countries have in their constitution an article like that. In the region Albania has it, Serbia has it (probably Bulgaria has it and the others also...). Only Macedonia was pressured to remove it. Now I personally think that it was pressured to remove it because of Greek attempts to negate the existance of a slavophone Macedonian minority in Greece, NOT because it was actually a claim over territory. But that is just my oppinion - the fact is that it was removed more than 10 years ago and it is irrelevant now.
• Simply not true. But they should teach the mixing theory in my oppinion -- Realek 02:18, 22 March 2006 (UTC) reply

Realek:

• If the maps were historic,they wouldn't show Albania,cause the state of Albania was established in 1913.If a publisher printed such maps here or elsewhere in europe,he would be seen as(at least) a dreamer by state,media and people.on the contrary,u said yourself that u have such a map.and if this is not enough to convince u about the claims that u have,take a look at your fellow citizens' userpages and the maps and materials they have added there.Once more u reply to only what is convinient to u...no mention about the symbols again...:)
• Greece doesn't have such an article,and i doubt if the others have either.The slavophone minority in greece prints its own magazines and has its own political party.do not forget that it was FYROM in a state of almost war some years ago cause of its 'respect' to the albanian minority.
• Lastly and in brief,i have watched documentaries from your country's schools and also the books.so,don't tell me that u are not taught that u are descendants of the ancient macedonians.at least other users from your country have admitted that.-- Hectorian 02:43, 22 March 2006 (UTC) reply

I could write a book proving you wrong but Aldux page is not the place for it. It was my mistake to confront you here and I appologise. So I'll be as brief as possible:

• Suppose you are right. Macedonia still wont be able to be any threat to the territorial integrity of Greece. So leave it alone.
• Suppose you are right. It has been removed because of Greece's demand. So leave it alone.
• Suppose you are right. Greeks have not any more right to teach that in their schools but you don't object to that. So leave it alone.

And I couldnt stay silent toy your dragging of the unrelated issue of albanian minority rights in all this. They had substantial minority rights before 2001, and now they have a lot more, making Macedonia a world pioneer in a lot of areas of minority rights (If you wish I'll explain this on your page). Greece on the other side allows the Macedonians to organize politicaly and to print a magazine... WOW! Anyway those things are not minority rights at all - but basic human rights. And they have been allowed to do this only recently. Yes - Greece is a shining example of Democracy! -- Realek 18:40, 22 March 2006 (UTC) reply

And you're a shining example of the power of propaganda in post-communist regimes. Miskin 17:07, 23 March 2006 (UTC) reply

Two things:

• I have provided references on the term "Greek Macedonians", as well as its arithmetic superiority over the Slavs on the south-central parts of the region. So that you know that my edits are based on sourced information.
• Secondly, why did you remove the disambig sentence in "History of Italy"? It's normal to disambiguate between history of the country and history of the region. Britannica for example has two different articles respectively. Miskin 17:05, 22 March 2006 (UTC) reply

• • So you don't understand; I said that no Greek Macedonian ethnicity exists separated from Greek ethnicity; and we should list people, not regional identities.
  • This article is on all Italy not only the peninsula, which is only part of historical and present Italy; it excludes continental Italy, Sicily, Sardinia and Corsica. Also, Italy has been multi-ethnic only before 2000 years ago; after that non-latin minorities have always been demographically marginal. Also, Italy came to be perceived as more than a geographic expression already by the latin authors; and already in the late republic all inhabitants of Italy were roman citizens. So no, the history of Italy is not the history of united Italy and neither of a simple geographic area.-- Aldux 18:24, 22 March 2006 (UTC) reply

That's definitely a POV Aldux. Italy remained multiethnic until at least 11th century AD (don't forget the Gothic, Lombard, Byzantine and Norman settlements). I know that Latin authors (I think Cicero) spoke of a unified Italy as back as 200BC, but that was not realistic. The proof is the Italian Greek and Celtic siding with Hannibal during the 2nd Punic war. In my opinion a culturally unified Italy is born with Dante, but I'm not gonna argue on this, it's none of my concerns. I insist and I will insist on keeping the term "Greek Macedonians", in the way that I'd keep "Cretan Greek" or "Asian Greek". I'm not aware of a wp policy which enforces the listing of nationalities over regional identities. I feel that it's important to prevent the Slavic crowd's attempt on a monopoly of the name, if for no good reason, because such monopoly would enforce implied land-claims (as described in User:Macedonia's personal page). Furthermore, I think that my theory is verified by the very Slavic editors' persistence on hiding such terms from public view. I know that what you want in to prevent edit-wars. I for once, am not willing to back up because of the chauvinist edit-wars the MacSlavs are capable of starting. They'll revert afew times and then it'll stop. After all, it's sourced. Miskin 19:10, 22 March 2006 (UTC) reply

Caro Aldux. Mi dispiace che non ho avuto il tempo di risponderti nella talk, ma sono in Romania e non ho tempo al momento (guarda qua sotto che ora c'é scritto!) Ho visto che i miei altri amici Greci hanno lavorato tanto su questo messaggio (e anche tu dovrai faticare per correggerlo). Scusa se uso l'italiano (povero), ma devo praticarlo perché sarrebe un pecato dimenticarlo (ma in effetti lo uso molto qui in Romania per communicare con tutti quelli che non parlano bene l'inglese). Volevo anche dirti che sarebbe molto gentile da parte tua se potessi correggere questo messaggio per poter analizzare i miei errori usando la storia. Ritornerò alla fine di questa settimana e penso che avrò del tempo per discutere con te. Tuo amico (in qualche bataglie)  NikoSilver   ^{(T) @ (C)} 00:39, 23 March 2006 (UTC). reply

Grazie tanto! Ti prego di continuare la nostra discussione in Italiano (non per ordire una "cospirazione", ma per pratica). Naturalmente, non devi correggermi sempre (perché ...non posso pagarti per il corso :-)). Ho messo una risposta nella talk.  NikoSilver   ^{(T) @ (C)} 16:24, 24 March 2006 (UTC) reply

Ciao Niko, ho letto la tua risposta a Macedonians. Non credo che in sè un nome come Nuova Macedonia sarebbe offensivo per gli slavomacedoni, ma ha il difetto di essere completamente nuovo, cioè di non avere nessuna sanzione ufficiale da nessuna delle parti in causa. E comunque la Repubblica di Macedonia non ha nulla da guadagnare ad accettare, in quanto sanno che il tempo sta giocando a loro favore, in particolare da quando gli Americani hanno optato per RoM anziché su FYROM; e le azioni degli Americani tendono a determinare spesso e volentieri quelle degli altri. Inoltre, non fosse altro che per semplicità, i giornali, almeno italiani, usano sempre Macedonia o Republica di Macedonia, e mai FYROM (ti dico solo che io non so neanche come dire esattamente il nome ONU, FYROM, in italiano, da quanto è raro l'uso). Comunque non sono un profeta, e dunque puoi consolarti pensando che potrei sbagliarmi ;-) Ciao-- Aldux 21:36, 24 March 2006 (UTC) reply

Can you please look at this when you may please: Orontid Dynasty-- Eupator 18:47, 23 March 2006 (UTC) reply

I 'm going to insist too. The name former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia is a name accepted by UN, IMF etc. On many articles here, we use sometimes (for various reasons) the name of a redirect, and the articles about (Greek) Macedonia is clearly such a case. talk to +MATIA 09:20, 24 March 2006 (UTC) reply

If you read my case, you would see that it not only responds to your claim that moving to Catholic Church would be POV, but it also demonstrates how keeping the article at Roman Catholic Church is inherently POV. I wish people would extend the courtesy of considering my case. There's already precedent for this problem at other possibly "ambiguous" articles like Church of Christ, United Church of Christ, International Churches of Christ, and Church of Christ (Mormonism). I respectfully ask you to reconsider. -- Hyphen5 00:17, 25 March 2006 (UTC) reply

If you want a fun AFD, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Serbophobia (second nomination) - I haven't voted there, as either way, half the people will hate me. I think the most blatant examples of sockpuppetry are at Rajput - check the revision hisotry back 250 edits ;-) There, obvious socks roam, such as RendezvousSingh and on the talk page, the blatant sock Medicine Man ( talk · contribs · block log). Of course, they all were summarily banned in the end. -- Latinus 18:59, 25 March 2006 (UTC) reply

Please, don't report Kagan. Ti prego perche credo che se lo fai, le resultate non sarrano compatibile con il "spirito" de la regola WP:3RR.  NikoSilver   ^{(T) @ (C)} 01:22, 26 March 2006 (UTC) reply

I guess I was late, but from your comment at WP:AN3#User:Adkagansu, I see I wouldn't be able to change your mind. Evidently, there were more things than the 3RR to it...  NikoSilver   ^{(T) @ (C)} 01:32, 26 March 2006 (UTC) reply

No problem. Credo che la notificazione di L era un modo diplomatico per effetuare il blocco (informiando gli altri -comme te) senza iniziarlo lui (mio messagio -a lui, non a te- aveva quasi la stessa intenzione)! Nessun e obligato di rapportare un 3rr. Alora, non c'e niente per irritarti. Anche, se non e cosi, sotto WP:IAR, questo non e punibile!

Volevo chiedere tuo opinione su questo (ultimo paragrafo). Anche, nessuno a risposto su questo.

Ciao professore (per mio italiano)! ;-]  NikoSilver   ^{(T) @ (C)} 12:39, 29 March 2006 (UTC) reply

Pensi tu, che sostegno le azioni de mio paese indiscriminatamente, senza giudicare cio che e giusto e cio che e sbagliato? Loro? Per questo tipo di nazionalizmo nuovo che ho scritto, che pensi? Credo che ci sono tanti utenti in WP, che credono che sono liberali, ma in effeto sono naivi strumenti di loro chi sono i piu grandi crypto-nazionalisti desiderando renderci tutti identici.  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 22:23, 2 April 2006 (UTC) reply

No, no, no. Non lo credevo, era una domanda retorica. Per favore guarda come il "nuovo-tipo-di-nationalismo" impazza alla talk dell'articolo per FYROM (gli "impartial third"). Guarda che gli altri non accettano di includere il nome che loro paese a accettato da UN, alla introduzione del articolo. Guarda che risposte danno quando dico che anche questo nome conta é deve essere presentato in maniera quasi-uguale. Aiuto, non ne posso piu!  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 22:42, 3 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Non e una cospirazione, ma sembra comme una epidemia. Hai dimenticato uno utente che dice che e di noi, ma vive "a l'altra parte de lo lago". Il suo nome commincia di 'E'. Ha fatto tutto per lasciare l'articolo cosi, senza indicazione de lo secondo nome ufficiale a la testa, e con un piccolissimo link allo section per la disputa di nome. Credo che lui non e de la terza categoria, comme le ho scritto alla fine dei miei argumenti, ma da la prima! Ti dico un secreto: sonno anch'io d'accordo con la versione di ChrisO. Quante volte devi chiedere di piu, per prendere di meno (si chiama diplomatia -e e una parola greca). Aspetiamo il fino di questa comedia...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 19:16, 4 April 2006 (UTC) reply

What Miskin and Latinus are doing on the Ottoman Empire page is vandalism. I made my point to them for 2-3 hours and yet still they are doing the same redundant edit again and again. It is harassment, it is vandalism. Multi-ethnic empire is redundant, they are making the article look like it was written by a retard.

Look at Miskin's last edit:

"fark) (geçmiş) . . Ottoman Empire; 00:16 . . Miskin (Talk | Katkılar) ('Turkish empire' is misleading the reader, stop denying factual information) "

He/she doesn't even know Ottoman is not a word like "USA" or "UK", it is just the name of the founder of the empire who was Osman/Ottoman Bey, a Turkish bey; empire being named after its founder in the tradition of previous Turkish empire, the Seljuks. And Turkish Empire is used as much as the Ottoman [2], [3], [4], [5]

Google search results for Turkish Empire:

Web turkish empire için yaklaşık 9.970.000 sonuçtan 1 - 10 arası sonuçlar (0,17 saniye)

Now I'll assume you have good faith and expect you will put these into consideration before threatening me for breaking rules, just because someone told you so. Good day.-- Kagan the Barbarian 06:32, 26 March 2006 (UTC) reply

Good for you.-- Kagan the Barbarian 19:06, 26 March 2006 (UTC) reply

I see what you mean. I compiled the first paragraph according to some encyclopedic sources that I had available, in order to replace and not just remove their old racist section. The second paragraph was already there, and I changed it around in order to not completely remove their previous edits, but I'm sure nobody will miss it if we take it off. We'll edit around the first paragraph, what's important is we have removed the previous racist content. Regards. Miskin 19:40, 28 March 2006 (UTC) If you need help with this issue, I can assist you Aldux.-- Moosh88 00:32, 27 March 2006 (UTC) reply

Don't take Kagan too seriously, he does this all the time. I hope you find an improvement after my latest edits in 'Italian people'. I tried to focus the section on settlements patterns rathern than pseudo-science. I also tried to point out that despite dialectic or linguistic variation, the bulk of the population (Latin or not) descended from the ancient settlers. Ethnic articles are being subjected to significant bias. The 'Spanish people' is also at a really bad condition, but I don't see how it can be saved without a total rewrite. Miskin 16:33, 28 March 2006 (UTC) reply

Sorry for interfering,Aldux.i saw the changes in Italian people and the comment on Miskin's talk page.i generally agree with what u said, but i want to note 2 things: the Byzantine Greeks used Latin for administration purposes, as they did in greece and anatolia, but they revived the greak-speaking communities(Griko)-perhaps the byzantines are the reason that this language has survived till today-.and secondly, about the Illyrians that u said.in southern italy,when the greeks arrived,were of course italian peoples,but not illyrians.maybe u are talking about the Messapian language(but it has not proven to be connected with the illyrian).Cheers! -- Hectorian 18:28, 28 March 2006 (UTC) reply

What I wanted to add is that Latin was at an intellectual level a dead language in the Eastern Empire and Constantinople from as early as the 5th century BC (Justinian was forced to write Novellae in Greek). It survived as the language of administration as late as the early 7th century where Heraclius replaced it with Greek. The Byzantine soldiers and officials in Southern Italy and Sicily probably didn't know a word in Latin. This doesn't imply that there was an influx of Greek population coming from Byzantium, but it explains the long-term survival of Greek speaking communities in Souther Italy (11th c.) and Sicily (9th c.). This is not something I'm making up, nor adding in order to emphasize greek presence in Italian history, it was actually mentioned in the sources that I used in order to compile that paragraph. If you think however that it is not too relevant to the section, we can always remove it. The second paragraph as I said earlier, is a re-write of an existing edit which I kept in order to reduce the chances of edit-wars. We can completely remove it as soon as things cool down. Miskin 15:31, 29 March 2006 (UTC) reply

It's the term "Hellene" that Byzantinists and Byzantines would refuse, not the term 'greek'. If you look at any medieval european text you'll never find the Byzantines to be called anything other than Greeks. Miskin 23:10, 29 March 2006 (UTC) reply

Furthermore, have a look on how your Florentine ancestors viewed the "Byzantines" [6] Miskin 23:47, 31 March 2006 (UTC) reply

Could you please stop that!!! Why are you trying to minimalize the numbers without proof?!!! Inanna 22:31, 26 March 2006 (UTC) reply

We have already given the both governments'(US and Turkey) figures and had found a solution.Italians in US can't speak italian also but their population are still 16 millions... Inanna 23:00, 26 March 2006 (UTC) reply

We have shown 700,000(which US government says) - 5 millions(Turkish government says).If you just read it, you'll see.You don't have a source about that and your tolerance against Turks are not out business... Inanna 23:18, 26 March 2006 (UTC) reply

Oh Please, you ( Inanna) are one of the biggest POV pushers on wiki. I suggest you clean up your act before telling others to do so.-- Moosh88 23:44, 27 March 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the help. I agree with you, it appears that the dynasty itself began much later and previous rulers just carried the same name. Moses of Chorene speaks of a certain Yervand Sakavakyats who is regarded as the first Orontes by nationalists but there is no historical proof. His name is interesting though, especially the Saka (Scythian?) part.

Artasyras, the King’s Eye, brought the news of Prince Cyrus' death to Artaxerxes II, and Artasyras's son Orontes who had been present (and perhaps distinguished himself) at the Battle of Kounaxa and was given Rhodogunde the daughter of Artaxerxes II and made Satrap of Armenia. In the late 380s after Persia had suffered serious reverses in Egypt, Orontes was recalled from Armenia to head the Persian army while Tiribazes commanded at sea. They quarreled and their case went before a court of four Persian nobles who found for Tiribazes with Orontes being disgraced and dismissed from his position as Satrap of Armenia.

In the 360s BCE several of the Persian Satraps revolted and chose Orontes as their leader. However he betrayed them to the King and made peace with General Ochus. Orontes was then reappointed as Satrap of Armenia and became the founder of the autonomous Armenian Orontid dynasty. Direct descendants of the Orontid dynasty included the medieval Georgian dynasty, one of whom was the famous Queen Tamara, co-ruler from 1178 and sole ruler from 1184, and who has many present day descendants.

From: 1 -- Eupator 18:48, 28 March 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux/Archive Index, thank you for supporting me in my RfA which passed with a tally of (93/1/2). If you need any help or wish discuss something with me, you are always welcome to talk to me. Gizza ^{Chat ©} 12:12, 29 March 2006 (UTC) reply

I have noticed that you deliver some well considered inputs to articles and talk page, to which I owe your respect. As far as I know, you have not been involved in talks about how to deal with the Kurdish issue. So as a respected outsider, I would appreciate if you have the time to take a look at the debate on Batman, Turkey. The dull city with the exciting name is the battlefield for a rather far reaching debate about how to deal with ethnic minorities, that are not recognized by the state they live in. I would appreciate some comments from one fresh to the problem and experienced in controversial debates. Bertilvidet 16:32, 29 March 2006 (UTC) reply

They killed Déby's nephew - the head of the army - now it's only a matter of time before they get Déby himself. KI 20:34, 31 March 2006 (UTC) reply

You said here: added categories inserted by vandal; it's up to Bomac and no other to modify or add to his user page. Actually, I was reverting that Kamikaze guy or something + adding the info that Bomac's living in the Republic of Macedonia. While it may be a bit out of taste to edit Bomac's user page - I've inserted a category which is a known fact, and hardly a vandalist act, since I doubt that Bomac (who, BTW, is my friend, and a fellow bureaucrat on the Macedonian Wikipedia), would be anyhow offended by that. However, I agree with your second conclusion. This is the first time that somebody said that I was a vandal :-(. -- FlavrSavr 23:34, 2 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Gee, the barnstar was unexpected, too! Thanks a lot! :-) -- FlavrSavr 22:06, 3 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Hello Aldux. I need some help with translating from french. I had noticed that the fr of Macedon has info that the en lacks and I could use a hand at Scanderbeg. Please let me know if you could help. Thanks. talk to +MATIA 09:29, 3 April 2006 (UTC) reply

If you have to have a credential in order to judge the quality of information, what are you doing at Wikipedia? Who said you had the right to decide what should and shouldn't be included in a compendium of knowledge?

I can tell you've had this fight before, and so have I--I have nothing but disdain for the idea that only people who work in colleges have ideas that are worth anything. Nareek 20:12, 3 April 2006 (UTC) reply

I do not know what is the problem in that article, or if the etymology should or not should be included. the word is 'κατεφίλησεν' ('κατά + φιλώ'- the letter 'ε' if indicates the past tense in greek) and means 'kiss passionately'. i am just giving u the etymology, maybe search it like that in your dictionary:) Ciao! -- Hectorian 20:14, 4 April 2006 (UTC) reply

I have a question about something.Is it right to add the greek name in ancient Greeks' articles? I do not know if there is any kind of rule about that, but i guess it does not matter,does it? -- Hectorian 10:11, 6 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi and thanks for the advice! Yes, u are right. i just saw that u removed the number from one. i guess i forgot that they used only a title and i added the greek number in...10-20 articles! lol...i have a work to do, and i will remove it now...And when i will add the greek name in other, i will not add the number too. Ciao:) -- Hectorian 10:33, 6 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks for helping me in that and sorry for bothering u with something that was my mistake...I feel good that i did it only to the Ptolemaic dynasty, and not to all the Hellinistic Kings! -- Hectorian 10:48, 6 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Doesn't your keyboard support τόνους? (the marks above some greek letters?-i do not know the english world for them). -- Hectorian 22:35, 6 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi Adlux!

Why (rv)?

See you: [7]

) Ciao! -- Asteraki 16

00, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

After extensive edit warring, article protection, and the statement of the extended version supporting side regarding both the name of the article, and the intro paragraph, a poll has been placed. The brief version supporting side is to keep the name of the article AND the intro paragraph free of the UN name ( FYROM). Please participate in the vote and ask other editors you know to do so too.  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 14:02, 6 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Paul August suggested you might be able to answer the following question. In Leonardo_da_Vinci#Relationships I read "Gian Giacomo Caprotti da Oreno, nicknamed il Salaino ("The Little Unclean One" i.e., the devil), ...". Later, after a total of seven uses of "il Salaino", the text suddenly shifts to "Salai", without any explanation. Articles in other languages that mention the character at all appear to only use "Salai", without mention that this is a nickname. The online Italian dictionaries that I consulted don't have an entry for "salai(no)". So here is my question: Why the two forms, what is their relationship, and is it justified to have both in the article? (OK, that's three questions.) Hope you can illuminate me. Lambiam ^Talk 17:45, 6 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Aldux: Thanks for lending a hand on Leonardo da Vinci. By the way, on Tuesday, I'm going to Napoli, and then on to my little hill town in Calabria, Monterosso Calabro, for a couple of weeks ;-) Hope all is well with you. Paul August ☎ 14:29, 9 April 2006 (UTC) reply

What do you think of adding Chadian-Sudanese conflict at the bottom? It probably needs something summarying up Chad in the 80s and 90s, but doing a summary of the current conflict on another page just seems needless. What do you think?

P.S. Are these history pages taken straight from LOC or just certain facts? KI 17:20, 7 April 2006 (UTC) reply

for reverting my vandalised user page :) talk to +MATIA 18:17, 8 April 2006 (UTC) reply

U are right...as always! well, this was something i didn't know about the kings of Pontus:). but by saying Hellenism made considerable inroads also in monarchies governed by kings of Persian or Thracian origin, as was the case with Bithynia, Cappadocia and Pontus, doesn't this seem a bit odd? i mean, ok about Cappadokia at that time, but Pontus was inhabited by Greeks, so it was more than expected that its character would be Greek. It's like saying 'Hellenism made considerable inroads in Hellenic people'... Regards -- Hectorian 21:45, 8 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux! According to my knowledge, Pontus existed as a collective name for the greek colonies in the area since the Archaic period. it was not just some scattered greek colonies there (i can name quite many cities), without of course meaning that it was so heavily greek-populated as Magna Graecia or Ionia. The term Cappadocia Pontica is the latin term for the region, not the greek one. The fact that we know little things about Hellenistic Pontus (or generally Ancient Pontus) may be cause of the lack of excavations, since the turkish government does not give permissions for that. Honestly, i know little things 'bout Mithridates, so i will just trust u on that:). perhaps i confused in my mind the region of Pontus (in the way the greeks considered and consider it till now) with the Kingdom of Pontus (which included much larger areas). Ciao! -- Hectorian 07:44, 9 April 2006 (UTC) reply

I notice that you do not include Greek in the list of your language skills so you are unlikely to have read or be able to read Alekos Angelides History of Macedonia. His book in the original language and A H Scullard's "A History of the Greek World" were the sources for the additions to the article on the Battle of Pydna. Perhaps you would have the courtesy to replace the section you removed, though courtesy does not seem to be a quality you possess in abundance. Harfo32

I have redesigned Template:Chadian-Sudanese conflict to make it usable. Check it out! KI 03:09, 9 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Aldux, I'm sure you know that putting Macedonians in See also section in Bulgarians by user LionKing is controversial. Also, I'm sure that you will agree that Macedonians are Macedonians, Bulgarians are Bulgarians. There is no need of such controversial and nationalistic steps that LionKing makes. Regards, Bomac 17:29, 10 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Dear Aldux, would you care to explain this. I'm genuinely curious as to why you revert without explaining why (either in an edit summary or on the talk page). I will not restore my version; I will ask you to either restore my version or provide a satisfactory explanation why you reject my edits (do you not think that the Albanians in the Republic of Macedonia, whose language is official, or the Aromanians, whose language is also official, exist, perhaps?). Ciao, -- NikX 00:06, 11 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Are you ignoring me - why? -- NikX 17:35, 11 April 2006 (UTC) reply

I just brought the template in line with most other election tables. I do not mind the acromyns. Please see also Wikipedia:WikiProject Elections and Referenda. Electionworld = Wilfried ( talk 21:27, 12 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Sorry, and thanks for the link, I've been neglecting recent events that are part of the Chadian-Sudanese conflict, which I probably wont be getting to today, but hopefully tomorrow, assuming I'm not being lazy and I'm not writing what are clearly run-on sentences. KI 18:16, 13 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Credo che la ultima edit battaglia a l'articolo di Macedon era trivia e tottalmente unimportante. Ho fatto una proposta piu semplice (anche se l'articolo era a la versione degli altri grechi) che credo puo contribuire a finire questa battaglia stupida. Se ci sono altri raggioni per tua scelta, per favore dimi.  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 20:18, 13 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Se ho capito bene, il problemo esiste perche credi che non si può dire con certezza che fosse simbolo dell'antico stato macedone. D'accordo, ma al momento, e con l' informazione che abbiamo, ci sono tanti che fanno questo associazione. Credo che se c'e qualchecosa da fare, questo sarrebe aggioungere la parola "...believed to be associated...". Invece tu, non hai fatto via il symbolo completamente, ma hai fatto via la frase che il symbolo e registrato. Capisco che la disputa moderna non serve nel'articolo, ma la frase che il symbolo e registrato dalla Grecia, serve per tanti ragioni:

• • Quando un symbolo esiste in WP (libera) che e registrato, gli utenti che lo vedono devono sapere.
  • Se qualcuno cerca il symbolo de la bandiera precedente di FYROM (che esiste dentro l'articolo di FYROM) deve sapere che oggi, questo symbolo e registrato dalla Grecia.
  • Anche, se c'era una disputa su questo symbolo antico entro Grecia e FYROM, gli utenti devono sapere il modo comme questa disputa e finita.
  • Nessuno ha fatto un' analyse de la disputa moderna in questo articolo e anch'io non voglio includere queste dispute pseudoscientifiche in un articolo per l'antiquita. Esiste solo una realta (che oggi questo symbolo e registrato). No dispute, no analyse, nient'altro.

Tuo amico,  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 14:49, 14 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Ho visto questo e volevo ringraziarti. Spero che non l'hai fatto solo perche l'ho richiesto io...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 20:07, 14 April 2006 (UTC) reply

on which wiki page do you think the genetic research should be then?? -- Makedonia 12:55, 22 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi - I've started translating the French article - and also put a note on the translation page inviting comments on the title. -- HJMG 07:29, 17 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks for your message. Yes, I agree that is the best title, but it's a pity that it may possibly be misunderstood. Anyway, I'm just translating not creating. It's a very interesting article, well-researched etc., and deserves its status as "article de qualité".

Can I ask for your historian's opinion about Sonni Ali Ber (1464–1492)? The French article says he was Muslim, the English WikiP says not. After googling around, I am wondering about changing Muslim to "nominally Muslim" in the translation, and possibly making some similar alteration to the page on English WikiP. Or would something else be fairer? "Muslim (while also holding animistic beliefs)" or "mainly Muslim"?

Thanks a lot - -- HJMG 07:12, 18 April 2006 (UTC) reply

desertification and nomadic peoples are mentioned. we're talking about still somewhat war-torn regions. what do you think would be an appropriate way to put that in it's proper gloabl and historical context? /izl 02:37, 18 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Check out Operation Sparrow. The info will need to be added to Chadian-Sudanese conflict. KI 17:32, 22 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Ciao Aldux! Please follow my reasoning, if you feel like it:

Ok, now we have this situation:

• People say that it is a nationalistic view to think that your genes (your DNA) are directly related to your ancestors 3000 years ago. Correct? Yes. So, common genes talk is nationalistic talk. Right?
• Supporters of the theory that Alexander the Great, his father and his people that lived in his kingdom were not Greek, say that their genes were not specially connected to the Greek genes.
• On the other hand the guy studied in Greek, spread the Hellenic idea to the depths of Asia, thought of himself being Greek (or wanted to be one, at the very least) etc etc etc, ie did all those non-nationalistic things to display his Greekness.

So, the opposers to the Greekness of Ancient Macedonians, use an arguement that they themselves regard as nationalistic to support their position! I think the above rationale exposes blatant use of double standards. Don't you?

Tuo amico,  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 19:41, 22 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Christos Anesti (Christ has risen), Aldux! Actually, no; I wasn't worried about user "Makedonia"'s crap. I was worried about everybody's reluctancy (including philhellens) to consider Ancient Macedonias as Greeks. As you said:

"Ethnicity is not determinated by blood, but by a common tradition and history."

I guess we both know how we should call Ancient Macedonians from now on then...

Ciao!—  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 22:36, 22 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Hello. I wanted to leave an irrelevant message to Hectorian and then saw your discussion. I expressed my opinion openly in hectorian's page only because the on-going dialogue was there, I didn't indend to get involved into it. I didn't see it as a significant subject so I didn't feel the need to bother you personally. Sorry if I delivered offence, it wasn't meant to happen. Miskin 20:24, 23 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Regarding your latest edit in 'Macedonian question', I'm under the impression that it gives an erroneous interpretation to Livy's record. The dialogue (if I remember correctly) takes place in the late 3rd century, during the second Punic war, where Macedon had allied itself to Carthage and Aetolia to Rome. The fact that Attic was adapted as the official-state language by Philip II is irrelevant to that time, and comes from a different source. Furthermore I'm of the opinion that the entire section on "who supports what" should be removed as it's treated in like 88 different articles already. Otherwise it can really get long and repetitive. Miskin 21:11, 23 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Although it was 11 years ago and I do not now have the original letter from Mr Goryn, which claimed that Alexander the Great was a Slav and not a Greek, thus prompting my reply, the following letter I wrote was published on Tuesday, 5th January, 1995 in the Daily Telegraph:

Sir - Mr Goryn's letter (Dec 29th) does not reflect the true situtation in Skopje/Macedonia, and if his arguments were to be heeded they would not help. The Greeks do not have territorial ambitions over Skopje. No one in their right mind would wish to be involved with the political and economic disaster areas to the north of Greece. Nevertheless, the Greeks, a hard-working and prosperous people, would happily help their neighbours if the illegitimate claim on the name of Macedonia were to be dropped. If you travelled in this part of the world, you would soon apreciate that the true origins of Alexander the Great, the architecture and artefacts of the region are Greek, not Slav. The political shenanigans of Skopje would soon collapse if their outside abettors - probably Milosevich - were to be silenced.

harfo32

Aldux, when the new flag was introduced in 1992 there was no indication from the parliament in Skopje or from the government that this was an adaptation of Vergina. There has never been official claims from the government (to my knowledge). Therefore to make such claims are POV. I hope you take my point and agree to keep my edit. Thank you in advance for your generous cooperation, your concern for editoria accuracy and for your understanding. Politis 16:33, 24 April 2006 (UTC) reply

I have to respectfully take issue with your removal of the "Fake Quote" section of the Petronius article. You indicated it "hardly seems relevant." Well, some coworkers and I were discussing the quote today. None of us are particularly well versed in the Classics and all believed the quote was genuine (hey, we're programmers). I went to the article to grab and, when I found it wasn't there, went looking so I could add it as a legitimate quote. Thankfully, the Wikiquote still had a link back to the deleted section, which stopped me in my tracks and caused me to start looking at the history log.

Frankly, while I agree that dedicating an entire section for a false quote might seem unnecessary, the fact is that the quote is one of those delicious bits of wisdom that laymen like myself want to believe are correct (just look at all the false quotations attributed to Twain, Franklin, or even George Carlin floating around out on the Internet). I'm sure it is simply a matter of time before another layman like myself winds up adding the quote to the article as legitimate.

Would you consider restoring the section? I don't want to step on any toes. I understand if you'd want to reduce the size of it or restructure it, but there really should be some indication in the article that there's a false quote out there. If you think it the section should remain axed, please let me know why, either in either of our talk sections or in Talk:Petronius.

Thank you for your time,

-- KNHaw 21:36, 24 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the revert. Throughout the world, laymen with just enough knowledge to be dangerous (i.e. like myself) are rejoicing.

Thanks again,

-- KNHaw 21:12, 27 April 2006 (UTC) reply

I've watchlisted Attalus I, and I'll try to help out reverting vandalism. I don't look forward to seeing articles I care about on the Main Page, because such a mess gets made of them during the constant vandalism. Jkelly 20:14, 25 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Just started Donald Yamamoto. KI 01:47, 27 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Do you have an opinion on this? The debate concerns this edit. If you'd like to express your opinion, I'd be glad to hear it and you know I value it (whatever it may be)! Ciao!  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 15:31, 27 April 2006 (UTC) reply

You are in danger of violating the three-revert rule on Macedonian language. Please cease further reverts or you may be blocked from further editing. I think it's time you started using the talk pages a little bit more - someone has to make the first move, let it be you. Telex 22:54, 28 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Apr 2006–Jun 2006 Information

You know, wiktionary:allege is not really a weasel word. It merely means: a mere assertion made without any proof. I think it fits the bill :-) Telex 20:49, 29 April 2006 (UTC) reply

The text that I reverted implies among other untruths that the macedonians were created after WW2. Do you agree with that POV??? -- Realek 22:42, 29 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Correct the defective parts then, don't make blind reverts like a newbie. Telex 22:43, 29 April 2006 (UTC) reply

For the relatively short time I've been here I learned that no kind of "moderate" action will "soften" nationalistic hot-heads. Forgive me for not asuming good faith anymore when speaking to you Telex, but I can't endlessly tolerate the insults about my people from you and similar types. Like I said - your words and theories will not bring any good (even to what you think is your cause) , but will continue to spread balkan nationalistic poison. And the price is being paid and will continue to be paid by everybody in the region. But I've pretty much given up defending even obvious things, because some thing can't be explained to somebody who refuses to think. Just stop preaching me about nationalism and how to behave here. You don't have the credibility to do that. -- Realek 23:01, 29 April 2006 (UTC) reply

"Nationalistic hot-heads"? If that were directed to someone, I'd report you for personal attacks right now. I have not insulted your people, nor anyone else. I have stated the facts, whether you like them or not. Why don't you go and have a rest - you should stay cool when editing Wikipedia. Angry comments help no one. Telex 23:04, 29 April 2006 (UTC) reply

You can say a million nice things about yourself and even more bad things about me, but nobody besides greek nationalists here will take you seriously. Your irational theories speak best for them selves mr "cosmopolitan". And you preaching me about things that you violate so frequently is so funny. -- Realek 13:06, 30 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Aldux I still havent got any comment from you - are you OK with the version that among other things implies that:

1. Tito's actions had a number of important consequences for the Macedonians. The most important was, obviously, the promotion of a distinctive Macedonian identity as a part of the multiethnic society of Yugoslavia. The process of ethnogenesis gained momentum, and a distinct national Macedonian identity was formed.
2. Greek Macedonians are actually an ethnic group
3. Tito separated Yugoslav Macedonia from Serbia
4. There was no resentment towards the Bulgarian repression during the beginning of the Bulgarian occupation of the region, by removing that sentance.

The text was far from perfect anyway, but this version is even closer to Macedonian negators positions. -- Realek 13:06, 30 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Sorry to break-in but I need to make a remark. Nobody ever claimed that "Greek Macedonians" is a distinct ethnic group. However, I'm not aware of any wikipedia policy which strictly enforces the usage of an ethnic group's name in similar scenarios. Therefore I don't see any valid, non-biased arguments against the use of this term. As far as I'm concerned the name is in wide use by Balkan historians and has a separate entry in the Australian encyclopedia of ethnic origins (as Greek Macedonians arrived in Australia before Macedonia was unified with Greece). Today's Greek population is the amalgam of an ethnically similar, yet culturally diverse people which stressed from the Ionian sea to western Asia Minor. There was a huge cultural difference between the Greeks of the Venetian-held Ionian island and those of Pontus, and a disambiguation must be made where required. Having said that, I see no rational reason to ignore such important cultural elements due to a single editor's ignorance and chauvinist bias. Miskin 20:06, 5 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks for your help. Would you mind keeping an eye on that page? Thanks again. — Khoikhoi 20:41, 30 April 2006 (UTC) reply

...is GREAT! I just made this minor correction and hope you approve! :-)  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 23:22, 30 April 2006 (UTC) reply

Just saw you're online and thought to say ciao! Could you please e-mail me, so that I get your address and respond? Sorry, you can't e-mail me if you haven't registerd an address yourself. It's safe, no spam, no problem whatsoever, and you'll be able to mail others and receive mails from others WITHOUT them seeing your address!  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 16:05, 1 May 2006 (UTC) reply

No, Mikkalai sprotected it. I just added {{ sprotected}}, check the revision history. Telex 18:59, 1 May 2006 (UTC) reply

... for what? Telex 19:36, 1 May 2006 (UTC) reply

check out Rally of Democratic Forces (rebel group) and Dalola raid. KI 02:40, 2 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Dear Aldux/Archive Index,

Thanks for voting on my RFA! I appreciate your comments and constructive criticism, for every bit helps me become a better Wikipedian. I've started working on the things you brought up, and I hope that next time, things run better; who knows, maybe one day we'll be basking on the shore of Admintopia together. Thanks and cheers, _-M o P-_ 22:07, 3 May 2006 (UTC) reply

The evidence is quite clear that Albania as a nation did not exist prior to the 20th century. Giorgios Kastriotis was of Epirotian origin. That is already an established fact. The Epirotians are (as any high school child would know)a very ancient Greek tribe. How on earth did Albania suddenly start claiming the Epirotians is surprising me (Being half Epirotian myself I can trace my anscestors to late Byzantium-something very few people can do). In the 2oth century the western powers gave them North Epirus disregarding the fact that 90% of the population in that region were Greek (Ironically they claim the same in Kosovo today?!). They gave them the Byzantine Eagle as their new national symbol (basically stealing it from the legendary Kastriotis who used that regional Byzantine symbol as his emblem). Kastriotis was a devout Greek Orthodox Christian who fought the Ottomans very bravely. He corresponded with the Paleologi in order to combat the Ottoman onslaught till the very end. I challenge you (or anyone) to show me evidence where Scanderbeg considered himself to be Albanian and more so where the word Albanian exists during his time?! And let us not forget the last fact- that Giorgios Kastriotis' (scanderbeg) native language was Greek (there was no established Albanian language at the time.

He's was half-Serbian but he's widely regarded as Albanian, you have to accept it (to anon). Miskin 19:47, 5 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Or half-Bulgarian; I gave a look at the sources, and there is controversy on this.-- Aldux 19:51, 5 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Well at least we can all agree that he was not a pure Albanian. But I urge for anyone to take a look at the fact that he was a prince in Epirus. And Epirus was a classical Greek Kingdom. I will say it should be looked into more (but his bio on Wikipedia should be presented as a a hero of Albania as well as Greece- to be fair).I can tell you Miskin one thing, Constantine Paleologos Dragas (The last Byzantine Emperor was surely Half Serbian and Half Greek).And guess who corresponded with the Byzantine Emperor?!

Also one other famous man Basil the Second also known as the Bulgar-slayer who was of the Macedonian dynasty fought a very famous Bulgar at the time- Samuel who by the way had a very questionable last name -Kometopoulos!? Go figure. What do I mean by all this? Its the fact that many Emperors were already of mixed descent-that is the point.That is why Scanderbeg cannot be portrayed as just Albanian!

You stated that I am in danger of violating 3RR for the Thracians article. Well Aldux, you do emphasize the importance of placing sources whenever something new appears in an article. Case in point, you stated that you would allow the section "Illyrians as Dorians" to appear on the Illyrians article if I provided non-Greek sources. Fair enough. I would love to go an do some research to help further validate (or even dismiss) the content that I placed in the overall section.

Now here is the ironic part. You expect people to provide sources in order for them to validate their statements. A sound policy. For example, in the Illyrians article I completely understood where you were coming from and already decided to conduct some research (instead of engaging in a useless revert war). However, in the Thracians article the section I placed is supported by a source. To, in a sense, "warn" me for violating 3RR because the section I placed in the Thracians article is supported by a valid source is kind of rash. Of course, I don't expect you to agree with me (don't feel bad, a lot of people tend to disagree with me even when I tell them the truth).

Let's be realistic Aldux. Do you really think that banning me will accomplish anything? I am just asking out of curiousity. You know what, don't answer that question. I pretty much have a feeling that your answer will entail the following: "If it stops you from reverting articles, then yes!" Anyway, my job as a sociologist is to conduct research even if the results I get make members of mainstream academia want to commit acts of self-defenistration. Sure, I am what you call an "imperfect sociologist". Yet, I tend to like being unconventional from time to time since it makes life a little bit more interesting. However, you have to ask yourself every time I alter an article, "Why is Deucalionite doing this?" More often than not, I will give you an honest answer if you just ask instead of assume that I am changing articles just to upset you or anyone else for that matter.

Just so you know, I fixed the references in the Thracians article and there is still a reference that supports the section "Thracians and Myceneans". If you want to ban me and receive a barnstar just because I think people deserve the right to know about the Fourth International Congress of Thracology, then have fun. However, please do not follow a certain path that leads you to a place where words and actions don't coincide. Take care and remember that wooden nickels are not legal tender in 48 states. Over and out. - Deucalionite May 5, 2006 6:34 P.M.

Independently of the origins of ancient Macedonians, I think you would agree that everyone in both antiquity and modern times would accept that the Macedonian ruling class descended of the Argives and Heraclids, and most definitely participated in the Olympic Games. It is blatant from ancient citations (e.g. Callisthenes, Demosthenes) that Philip II and Alexander III did claim Greek origin at least for themselves (and in several occasions for all Macedonians). Not long ago you said that Pontus was not a fully Hellenic Kingdom because the royal family claimed Persian origin. Aren't you using double standards in the case of Macedon? Why are many Roman Emperors labeled by an ethnic origin and Macedonians aren't? It's almost as if it's been done on purpose. Macedon was 100% Hellenised by the 4th century BC, and it's very probable and well supported that it's been Hellenic since the beginning. Yet the articles deal with it as if it was a barbarian Kingdom similar to Illyria. Do you honestly find the Macedon-related articles completely unbiased? Miskin 11:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC) reply

I think I wasn't very clear. I don't wish to change the status of the Macedonian language nor try to refer to Macedon as another Greek Kingdom. It was different in several cultural aspects and it has to be differentiated, at least during the Classic period (in Hellenistic time there was a clear assimilation). My objections are on the articles of the Macedonian Kings who felt themselves to be Greek (relates to our older discussion on the criteria of an ethnic group). Alexander III's and Philip II's article nowhere mentions how that at least the Argead dynasty was of Greek origin. In my opinion this is not mentioned due to the general chaos which evolves the word "macedonia", and not because it was simply forgotten. I don't think this is NPOV. The Macedonian royalty has always participated in the Olympics, meaning that they viewed themselves and were viewed by others as Greek. If they were really the descendants of Indo-european Greek-speakers is something irrelevant, let alone impossible to prove. I'm telling you this because I'm plannig to make some edits that will be based on ancient quotations, and I don't want it to be viewed as POV-pushing. I'll cite sources accordingly. Miskin 13:58, 6 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Have a look at these passages for instance [8] [9] [10] [11], what does it look that Philip considers himself? There are countless of such quotes by Alexander as well, and I think it needs to be mentioned in their respective articles at least how the Argead dynasty viewed itself. Miskin 14:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC) reply

I'm not sure whether I want to make any edits really. I just wanted to know your opinion on this. The Argead dynasty did view itself as Greek and the Greeks let them participate in the Olympics since the at least 6th century. In what degree they were genetically the ancestors of Greek-speakers is obviously of no importance. Miskin 14:26, 6 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Um... you recently said that there had been a poll to determine the location of the article Macedonians (ethnic group). Where is it, because I think you are mistaken. There has been no definitive poll over the naming of this article and it was only moved from Macedonian Slavs to Macedonians (ethnic group) by a unilateral move and a damaged redirect (so that it couldn't be moved back). Ciao :-) Telex 17:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Good, because I was wondering. BTW what is "Kαιρε" supposed to mean. There is Κύριε (Mr - vocative case) and Χαίρε (singular)/Χαίρετε (plural) (Greetings) and also Καιρέ ( weather - vocative case) ;-) Telex 17:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC) reply

I would like to know why you have the south slavic name of Kastoria on the Kastoria article. Who cares what its called in another language, its a Greek city. If your going to add south slavic why not add what its called in the rest of the world. Adding Greek and slavic gives the impression that they are somehow related. And that good sir is a fallacy.

Hi,

I read what you wrote on Talk:Władysław II Jagiełło about the attempt to rename the page into Wladyslaw II/V of Poland, Jogaila of Lithuania, and I agree totally with you. I think as rule there can't be more than one variant of a name in the title of an article. If more than one variant is possible, the title must chose only one and the others must be explained in the text itself and redirects must be used from alternative titles. If such alternative titles were admitted in the article's title itself, then we'd have to rename, for examples, Stepanakert into Stepanakert/Xankəndi, Tighina into Tighina/Bender/Bendery or 2003 invasion of Iraq into 2003 invasion/liberation of Iraq...

I am myself implicated in a very long and endless debate which is, I think, similar to this one. It's about the need to rename the article Pope Stephen X into Pope Stephen IX, and so on until Pope Stephen III into Pope Stephen II. The historical reasons of this naming problem are detailed in Pope-elect Stephen. Those historical facts are not the matter of the debate. Everybody agrees on those facts. The problem is some users want to rename Pope Stephen X into Pope Stephen IX (or X), which is an absurdity because of the same reasons as above.

I've launched this debate on 19 February and it is endless because it seems to interest very few people and it's impossible to reach a majority. I'm now prospecting for other people who would share my opinion on the matter. If you think you have something to say about this, I would be very glad if you did on Talk:Pope_Stephen_X. I thank you in advance.

Švitrigaila 00:29, 8 May 2006 (UTC) reply

I thank you very much for having answerd my call. :o) Švitrigaila 17:54, 8 May 2006 (UTC) reply

I do not understand why you are against this article, it seems that you have no ide or no real fact about this article you are changing..

OtrO DiA OtrO DiA 19:51, 8 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Can you please take a look at the Bitola article? Telex has disrupted the hardly achieved compromise around that article and even inserted unsourced info that has really nothing with the name of the city. Now they are also destroying what I hardly achieved on the Macedonians (ethnic group) MatriX 20:39, 8 May 2006 (UTC) reply

How is it unsourced?I've cited the source, name of the author, book and even page. What sources were there before? Nothing. What exactly is unsourced? Your info is unsourced and is full of fact templates for a reason. Telex 20:42, 8 May 2006 (UTC) reply

BTW, arbitrary edits over other people weeks of hard work just generate revert wars, you should know that by now. Telex 20:42, 8 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi, Aldux, I apologize if I've been a little too bad tempered lately. I'm sure you understand that it's to do with being reverted; I hate it when people do that, especially when it's by people like you who actually know something (if eg Vlatkoto reverted me, I wouldn't care less :p). I'll probably regret saying this in the future, but please continue reverting me if I make excruciatingly POV edits. Regards, -- Telex 23:33, 8 May 2006 (UTC) reply

You are right, Accepted is more appropriate than Adopted. I also agree with 'former' rather than 'Former' because that is how it was mentioned in UN resolution 817 [ [12]]. Politis 14:52, 9 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Sorry it took me so long to respond. Im avoiding Wikipedia lately because it's really frustrating for me to see what's on the "macedonian" pages. For a Macedonian it is a higly offensive enviroment. I wasn't angry with you Aldux, I was just dissapointed because without neutral people balancing the Greek majority over Macedonians those pages will slide to nasty greek propaganda. As for Telex, considering his knowledge in wikipedia, style and behaviour - I doubt he's a newbie. I know it's not a nice thing to say, but at least I'm honest and I dont hide my thoughts behind nice words like so many hipocrites here do, but their actions make them transparent anyway. But on to the sticky points:

1. I dont know what was your intention but a sentance like: The process of ethnogenesis gained momentum, and a distinct national Macedonian identity was formed clearly suggests that a distinct identity was absent prior to 1945. I'm confused... Do you support that view?????
2. I know what you feel about Macedonian Greeks as an ethnic group, that's why I was even more surprised. In your answer to me you say that it's not implying that they are actualy an ethnic group, but the sentance clearly states them as an ethnic group. And you say that compromises are necesary, but how can you make a compromise with a clearly false statemant? And how many compromises should be made under pressure from all kinds of nationalists. To be honest the version that I red before writing this was acceptable to me but again makes me wonder how many Greek explanations, notes, footnotes and so on should theese pages have? Are these pages here for Greek nationalist to express every thought they have and to put pro-greek nationalist POVs in every corner of the articles???
3. You are wrong about this one. Macedonia wasn't part of "Serbia" in the kingdom of Yugoslavia. Serbia simply didn't exist as an separate entity in the kingdom - Yugoslavia consisted of "banovini". So it wasn't separated from Serbia, but was granted a republic status. And the belif that Tito did whatewer he wanted with Macedonia and the Macedonians is really hard to belive. Altough some of the points mentioned about his "pro-Macedonian" motives are valid, a crucial one is left out: the Macedonian comunist party and liberation army were much more loosely conected to the Yugoslav ones than others in Yugoslavia. There were significant pro-independance forces in Macedonia and this couldn't have been ignored by Tito and KPJ, so concessions to the Macedonians were necesary to keep Macedonia in the new federation peacefuly.
4. I realy dont understand why I should provide sources for such well known things, especially since it will be reverted anyway (with or without dismissing the sources). All this while some are slipping all kinds of stuff into articles and keeping them there by majorisation in rewert wars.

Finaly, you advise me: the best way to awnser to those editors who say that the Macedonians were invented in 1945 is in collecting good, strong sources. I don't think that we should get into sourcing that kind of stuff. I think that those editors are clearly not-well intentioned and I won't accept playing their game by trying to proove such things as my grandfathers national feelings. And even if I do it, it wont make any impression on them. They'll stick to their theories. Altough I'm not a wikipedia member for a long time, I have learned that some people here will negate even pure mathematics.

-- Realek 02:14, 9 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Note to editors who will jump on this message by preaching me, or by acting diplomatic and nice to me: I'm ignoring you

-- Realek 02:14, 9 May 2006 (UTC) reply

We too.  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 08:52, 9 May 2006 (UTC) reply

This just makes me laugh - the article currently says:

The majority of Macedonians today inhabit parts of the geographical region of Macedonia along with other ethnic groups, mainly Greeks (known as Greek Macedonians or simply Macedonians in this region), Albanians and Bulgarians.

It does not imply that they are a seperate ethnic group. On a second tone, it's not the evil Graeco-Bulgarian requiring the sources, it's Wikipedia policy, so if you want to work without citing sources, I suggest you start a wiki of your own (call it Realekpedia). BTW, yes, even in Macedonian nationalism, there was some confusion over over the alleged ethnicity of the Macedonians at that time. According to Macedonian nationalists, the Miladinov Brothers, who wrote what they called Bulgarian folk songs, in what they described as the Bulgarian languages, really meant Macedonian, just there was some ethnic confusion at that time. As for your claim that we should believe your assertions about the self identification of your gradparents, I'll respond with your own words: Why should anybody belive you??? Just because you say so??? Shouldn't people take into account your obvious bias??? Telex 09:28, 9 May 2006 (UTC) reply

I maintain my previous position.  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 09:42, 9 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Ciao Al, puoi spiegarmi perche hai fatto questo (solo di curiosita, perche non capisco la differenza).  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 14:34, 9 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Io penso che gli esempi siano utili. Telex 14:38, 9 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Ah si? Perche? (sinceramente NON SO!)  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 14:44, 9 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Didn't you (Niko) ask me a question about the distant definite article at Talk:FYROM? That's why. Telex 14:52, 9 May 2006 (UTC) reply

They were removed following a stupid error on my part, that I've now corrected. I probably gave a look to a wrong version. It may be all crap, but I don't have enough knowledge of the issue to decide this.-- Aldux 14:51, 9 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Samothrace_temple_complex done - will have another look in a few days for style. (I need a break - archeology is NOT my field ) please see the Talk page, there are some minor problems both in terms of translation & accuracy/inconsistency in the fr article - perhaps you are wiser in this area. This has also lead to some other articles in the works - anastylosis & Neorion for two...should have those in a week or so. Bridesmill 19:30, 9 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the copyedit & additional wl's - didn't realize BCE worked as well as BC (I prefer it myself). But plural of sheep is 'sheep', btw (yest, englishj is a wackey language ) . I got anastylosis & Neorion done - used the de: and fr: for the former. Cheers. Bridesmill 16:17, 13 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Ciao, puoi vedere questo e dare tuo opinione su Lombardian nationalist (e anche per gli altri)?  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 16:33, 10 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Thank you so much for correcting me. And yes, I guess I was aiming for the German version. Thanks again! Chaldean 14:50, 11 May 2006 (UTC) reply

I saw your request as well but I thought it hadn't received any attention yet. I have stopped translating the article. Miskin 12:58, 15 May 2006 (UTC) reply

It is done. ;-) Bridesmill 02:27, 18 May 2006 (UTC) reply

About this, I'm sure nobody's happy. They just want to undervalue the significance of Albanian officiality (de facto since constitution/Ohrid states more than 20%=official; and de jure since 25% is a serious crowd!) Who cares anyway, let them make it a carnival of an article. I'm sick of argueing...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 00:16, 17 May 2006 (UTC) reply

I laughed when I read this from CNN. Notice the names of the two groups' leaders: " Chadian Information Minister Hourmadji Moussa Doumgor accuses the Government of Sudan of facilitating a new alliance between Mahamat Nour's UFDC and the defected troops of Mahamat Nouri against the Déby administration. Neither group has confirmed or denied the merger." KI 01:45, 17 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Thank you for the warm welcome, Aldux. I am not quite sure how to get in touch with you, but I hope this is the correct way. If you have visited my User Page(?), you will have seen my brief biography. I am a Zambian and am interested in the history of the whole of the southern African region.

Fortunately, I use the computers of Manchester City Council Libraries, in England. As a member of the libraries, I have access to a whole lot of online resources, such as the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography and the Encyclopedia Britannica Online Academic Edition. I have been using these to get the gist of the material, then I edit them to avoid plagiarism. Some of the stuff is what I already know from my education in Zambia and my personal reading around the subject of Zambian history. Even if I don't have the books at hand, I have read them and I know that the people who used them as references in Oxford Dictionary or Encyclopedia Britannica have the correct details.

I hope to make good contributions to the Wikipedia, although I am worried that there is so much to read!

Thanks, again.

Mungomba

Why did you remove the section "Illyrians as Dorians" in the Illyrians article again? Did you actually read the section or did you just assume that it would be the same thing as last time? Did you check the footnotes? The least you could have done was inform me as to why you removed the section this time. I guess you failed in that department. Your job pretty much is to revert article content and ask questions later, right?

I don't know. Perhaps you perceive me as an amateur propagandist and nothing else. Nice assumption, but wrong person. Well, since you cannot give me decent reasons why you reverted the section this time, allow me to help list them for you:

1) Carleton S. Coon is evil and should not be placed in the section.

2) Etienne Balibar and Alexander Fol are not worthy scholars.

3) Roman sources from the 2nd century BC that discussed Queen Teuta's "half-Hellenic" country never existed.

4) Polybius is a fictional character from a science-fiction movie.

5) Greek mythology is not a metaphorical record of oral stories about actual people, but a mere collection of lies.

6) The concept of "barbarian" is simple only meaning "non-Greek" and never meaning "unsophisticated Greek".

7) Sociological analyses of the ancient Greek political climate have no relevance whatsoever.

Of course, the first answer I expect from you when you read this is as follows: "I removed the section because it is 'original research' and there is no one who supports that the Illyrians spoke Greek." Or something along those lines. Yet, you fail to take into consideration the possibility of a connection between Illyrian tribes and Doric tribes. I do not expect you or anyone else to accept the section's content as gospel (though I would be flattered if you did). Besides, if such a connection between Illyrians and Dorians did exist in the past, then why not explain it? I placed sources that validate whatever aspects of "original research" you might find in the section. I guess there is nothing that satisfies your demands.

Here is what you can do. Why don't you actually read the section and make constructive suggestions? No wait. Here is an even better idea. Why don't you actually help me conduct research to validate (or denounce) what was written in the article section? The only way your going to see an expanded Illyrians article is to actually help people who are trying to do such a thing. Being an editor does not only entail hacking, slashing, and decimating content. There are also procedures for refining content and constructively enhancing information that may actually prove to be valuable for readers. Of course, you probably know this already. Or not. I really don't care up to this point.

I am going to put the section back and I expect from you to "warn" me about my violating 3RR (without of course explaining why you removed the section for the second time). Read this message completely before responding in my discussion page. Over and out. Deucalionite 21:31, 18 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Just FYI, I've reported Deucalionite for 3RR. A pity he insists so much on this, because he seems to be a decent fellow and open to friendly discussion, but in this case his judgment seems terribly off the mark. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:03, 19 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Please check User_talk:Matia.gr#Need_for_translator_.28fr_to_en.29 - the place described is in lower Macedonia not mid-north Albania ( Axios etc). However Mat may (or may not) be traced back to Emathia (if John came from Emathia to Mat for example and gave that name etc). talk to +MATIA

It's a pleasure; hadn't done any reading on Greece since high school, & that was a few years ago. Very pleasant break from mundane life ot be poking around the ancient writers again. Personally, I prefer BCE, but really not fussed either way. Consistency is important - I will go & change them myself right now as its a dumb format mistake to make. Bridesmill 16:14, 20 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Hello. I've noticed you're working on a major rewrite of Pomaks. It seems like the article corresponds to the article Muslim Bulgarians (Pomaks is just a local/informal/derogatory name) and I believe we should merge them, but would like to know what you think first. I'm interested in this quite vague and sometimes controversial topic and would like to help create a good, neutral and unbiased article. Also, we should settle on some transliteration — whether the official one or scientific transliteration. The second is more accurate while the first one is... official :) → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 21:16, 20 May 2006 (UTC) reply

That's all right, I only meant making them one article and didn't intend to imply Muslim Bulgarians is a better name — as you said, it isn't. The article(s) and the topic really need major work and good referencing, so what you've assigned to yourself is an important task. Count on me for any help I could offer. → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 21:40, 20 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Please visit [13] and weigh in!  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 17:59, 21 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Prostitution in Ancient Greece is complete & ready for critique/copyedit etc. It was fun to do. Bridesmill 15:31, 22 May 2006 (UTC) reply

re. Alimentation - you have these up your sleeve ready to go, don't you? . Bridesmill 16:36, 22 May 2006 (UTC) reply

You sot LOL - you have me addicted to these, you realize that? I'll do it, but will leave it open on the list for now in case someone else is feeling 'ripped off' becasue I keep jumping on these, I'm doing Artemis Orthia right now, stumbled on thet through the prostitution article, not an FA on the french wiki but still interesting. Bridesmill 17:16, 22 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Artemis Orthia is up now, in case you didn't have anything better to do ...LOL. Bridesmill 00:15, 24 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Basta colla tua grecofilia tendenzionista! Ai capito bene? Apostolos Margaritis 18:05, 24 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux! Margaritis has already made up his mind [14]. -- Hectorian 21:49, 24 May 2006 (UTC) reply

See Hectorian, me and Dahn much as we share the same ethnic background do NOT necessarily support each other. I think that's rather elegant, fair and in the spirit of wikipedia. Sadly you Greeks are grouping yourselves on ethnic lines so to speak. As I once said, you're still stunted, need to grow up. I would very much suggest you try to grow a bit more sophisticated and becomeless obsessed by your own ethnic background Apostolos Margaritis 10:32, 25 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Minor correction: See Hectorian, me and Dahn much as we want to believe we share the same ethnic background do NOT necessarily support each other.... I am not obsessed with my ethnic background... someone else seems to be... -- Hectorian 01:02, 27 May 2006 (UTC) reply

What common ethnicity do you have with Dahn? As far as I know Aromanians = Greeks. -- Telex 10:35, 25 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Oh yes and pigs fly. Hey I'm in an excellent mood today so you won't drag me into the Vlach quagmire again. Apostolos Margaritis 10:40, 25 May 2006 (UTC) reply

I thought you only suffered from gynaikophilia...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 23:04, 24 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Say it in Italian, NikoSilver (as Margaritis also did): bambolaphilia...:)-- Hectorian 23:15, 24 May 2006 (UTC) reply

No, he said it in a self-invented Romano- Italian portmanteu...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 23:55, 24 May 2006 (UTC) reply

OK, i just tried to edit something clever, don't shoot me! (and to show i know some Italian-...vanitas vanitatis....u know:)...) -- Hectorian 00:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Ela re patriotes. It's really depressing to see a) Greeks decorating each other (Latinus lavishing NikoSilver and Hectorian with medals, Telex awarding medals to Matia.gr: you name them) yes we know Cyprus and Greece failing to achieve Enosis always award each other 20 points at Eurovision b) Greeks never ever daring to argue with one another: again, probably from a misunderstood sense of a monolithic patriotism. You're in fact quite similar to a pack of wolfs. Coward when on your own always brave when walk in packs. Not to worry, now I am here so I can guarantee you there's lot of fun to be had. Apostolos Margaritis 10:24, 25 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Woof. -- Telex 10:29, 25 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Is there a new moon where you are right now triggering those wolf chants of yours Telex? Apostolos Margaritis 10:37, 25 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Who did you vote for at the Eurovision, Greece? -- Telex 10:43, 25 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Saturday evening I've been munching sushi and beef katsu until late at Nobu. By the time I arrived home it was too late to see the aging diva Anna Vissi (is that her name?). But I caught a glimpse of Nana Mouskouri though. Someone stop her, please, please was begging on the BBC the presenter Terry Wogan. Of course I didn't bother to vote for the Eurotrash contest Apostolos Margaritis 10:53, 25 May 2006 (UTC) reply

'Greeks awarding medals and never arguing with each other'... I thought u believed that the Aromanians are not Greeks...:/. how strange, i am Greek and i am Aromanian! as for the comments on Eurovision, Vissi and the 'quarantees' u gave, one phrase can be said: mare lucru... -- Hectorian 14:18, 25 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Hectorian, that's a nice "Latin" nick-name you've got yourself. It's crystal clear to me that, should you really be a Vlach, you belong to the sad faction of the Grecomani Vlachs. A sort of reversed Janissary, exposed from early childhood to Greek only culture, language, school, propaganda, so much in fact that he came to believe he's a Greek, am I correct? But it's your choice, your life. In fact it's too late you became something else by now, so well done, here's another assimilated Vlach, what's the big deal? We are in 2006, I hope time will come when the Greeks will allow you to have your first Vlach language newspaper or your first Vlach language FM radio station. Even the Baluba tribes in Congo have probably got their own media by now. You're not asking too much inn'it? What? You don't want this? You don't want to offend the Greeks by asking for rights for Vlach language? Listen, the Greeks are well-known for their generosity and tolerance. So here is yet another reason for wanting to remain a Greek wanabee. Better on the side of the bosses than being the underdog, inn'it? I think it's worth the sacrifice Apostolos Margaritis 11:33, 26 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Tired, but i will respond to these 'comments': my nick name is not Latin (apart from the -ian, of course). my real name is more greek than u can imagine... apropos, your nick is vlach, isn't it?:p. i am an aromanian (in fact half-aromanian), proud to say it, and i belong to the vast majority of aromanians who have always considered themselves Greeks (cause this is simply what we are). a Janissary? Huh? no need to comment on that (it was deliberately said to bring tension in the discussion). i was indeed exposed to greek culture since i was born...u know, greeks are usually exposed to greek culture, italians to italian and so on... and my ancestors, as further back to the history of my family i can go, they were also exposed to greek culture. vlach language newspaper? hmmm in which alphabet, with which grammar and syntax? u seem to forget that aromanian evolved as an idiom from vulgar latin and never had a written form. not to mentioned that it has always been used along with greek from its speakers. perhaps u are dreaming of someone who will invent all things necessary to create a new ethnic identity? u know, more things are needed for a nation to be born... not to forget that their is no historian from those early times talking about a migration of the romanians to the south (speaking about greek propaganda? why don't u look at the romanian one?)of course, there will always be Alkiviades s, trying to create something that never existed for their own purposes (i know that u have been editting articles related to him... always remember that he was a facist pawn, with no supporters (perhaps the name he should have would be Ephialtes). and for me, all those (a couple of people, i mean) who desperately try to split the aromanians from the rest of the Greeks, are just wannabe princes or dictators. -- Hectorian 00:54, 27 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Hey Greier: Vezi ce "malachii" zice mai sus Hectorian? Omul asta are mari probleme de identitate. tsi fatsi gione? tora ti adrashi grec? Arshine mari! Apostolos Margaritis 12:57, 27 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Wow! A Greek, a Vlach and an Arvanite are conspiring with a grecophile Italian against an impartial Aromanian, who is not supported even by his fellow editors! My, my, those guys over at the Epsilon Team have managed to compile all contradicting ideologies, nationalities and self-identifications into one immaculately homogenic revengeful wolf-pack! We should redirect Absolute brain washing machine directly to Greek propaganda... (that, or you just can't see you're simply wrong)  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 15:03, 25 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Haha, this one's really great Niko. I must admit that when I read Apostolos message I felt myself invaded by a wave of good humour; immagining myself member of a cosmopolitan cospiration designed to promote Greek nationalism was simply a too magistral idea. I think time has come we disband the Epsilon Team, guys; Apostolos has at the end discovered The Truth.... Tendentious Graecophiliac 16:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC) reply

I thought the term was "philhellene". -- Telex 16:14, 25 May 2006 (UTC) reply

I too, but certainly Apostolos knows better ;-) Tendentious Graecophiliac 16:17, 25 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Apostole, eu sunt cu tine! esti fratele meu, di sânge shi di limba. greier 15:12, 25 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Everything has started with Greeks like Miskin etc. and Italians (if he really is one) who became Greek bootliskers the likes of Aldux deleting and vandalizing my editing. Don't get me wrong. I was just insinuating in a very elegant and gentle manner that according to some scholars Saint Cyril might have had Slavic roots but that was enough to cause an immense outrage among the Greeks folowed by a violent and co-ordinated strike. They in effect are undermining from inside the wiki project trying to divert it off its neutral non-partizane path and convert it or re-direct it if you wish into a Greek ethnocentric national project. Ceea ce-mi displace e faptul ca se ascund, se deghizeaza. Ia-l de exemplu pe acest Aldux. El pretinde ca e italian pe cand, in realitate e grec. Ei vor sa creeze confuzie sa dea impresia ca punctul lor de vedere e sustinut si de non-greci. In acest context, oare nu e logic ca si noi sa ne organizam efectiv si sa ne ajutam reciproc? Apostolos Margaritis 11:10, 26 May 2006 (UTC) reply

"El pretinde ca e italian pe cand, in realitate e grec." ?!?!?!?!?! Sarei Greco adesso?! Ma possibile che tu non ti renda conto fino a che punto stai diventando paranoico? Anche se devo ammettere che i tuoi insulti sono particolarmente divertenti; mi ricordano quelli di Asteraki, che mi chiama odiatore dei Greci. Quanto al tuo disegno di creare una combriccola stile mafioso, non contare di ottenere grande successo; l'unico che si unirebbe ad uno piano tanto sciaugurato é Greier. Comunque, che tu mi creda o meno non me ne può fregar di meno.-- Aldux 11:53, 26 May 2006 (UTC) reply

God, i really want to learn Italian!(cause it sounds good!):) -- Hectorian 00:58, 27 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Auzi! Acum am creat o adevarata la piovra vlacha... :) greier 12:14, 26 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Eu ti-am zis, cand vrei ajutor, trebuie doar sa-mi zici. 11:21, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Greier, you can say it in English. Eastern Romance languages aren't that hard to decipher: Apostole, I am with you! you are my brother, of blood and language. -- Telex 15:15, 25 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Or in Italian: Apostole, io sono con te! sei mio fratello, di sangue e di lingua. (talking about wolf-packs!)  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 15:19, 25 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Or in Arvanitika: Apostol, u jam me ti. Je vëllai im, i gjakut edhe i gljuhës. -- Telex 15:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC) reply

So, wouldn`t be a shame for this beautiful language to be lost forever, replaced by tzeflekiki, pouliki, moukiki, poulos, karagolous, mousos and all that ousos greier 15:28, 25 May 2006 (UTC) reply

There's nothing wrong with the Greek language. All languages have good and bad points - I admit though, it is a shame for any language to die out. -- Telex 15:33, 25 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Ummm, Greier, these are not Greek words (except maybe "poulos"). Actually the transliteration would be quite pleasant for the ears: Apostóli, eghó íme mazí su, íse adhelfós mu, sto éma ke sti ghlóssa...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 16:11, 25 May 2006 (UTC) reply

LOL... ;-) -- Telex 16:13, 25 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Hey Al, since you're adding sub-pages, why not make one for /Tendentious Graecophiliacs too?  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 17:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC) reply

What do you propose to use it for? Tendentious Graecophiliac 18:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC) reply

How about including all those edits of yours that most nationalist Greeks would consider offensive?  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 10:27, 26 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Better not, I'm afraid they're so many that if I disclose the magnitude and amount of them, not only Greek nationalists will start calling me "Greek-hater" (as an editor once did) ;-)-- Aldux 20:17, 26 May 2006 (UTC) reply

I don't understand your stance on this Aldux, what on earth does it matter what some random calls you? You once told me that you always support the view of the current consensus and do not try to investigate by yourself wheter it's true or accurate. You see that there's not one single source to support the opposing view, so why are we even discussing this any further? Miskin 21:25, 26 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Ciao Aldux! Viva la latinita'! Siamo tuti, noi arumeni che voi fratelli italiani insieme gli figli della nostra unica madre Roma Apostolos Margaritis 12:49, 27 May 2006 (UTC) reply

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What a shame that u editted this picture, with the comment that u assosiated it with... I am sure, i was not wrong about your beliefs, Margaritis... Thus your comments above do not deserve to be replied... -- Hectorian 13:03, 27 May 2006 (UTC) reply

There're still Vlachs out there in the Pindus (up in villages like Turia) who remained faithful to Latinity which they view as an essential ingredient to their identity. Can you blame them? No, it's their right to feel simpathy for their close Italian kin Apostolos Margaritis 13:32, 27 May 2006 (UTC) reply

I do not endorse them but you should be aware that there're voices (see link) who are asking for Rhodos and Dodecanesse to be returned to Italy. Apostolos Margaritis 13:38, 27 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Wow this page is like a forum. Anyway I just wanted to state that calling other people "X-phile" or "X-licker" is one of Apostolos' favourite psychological attacks. He recently said the same things to user:Dahn, and I think he used the exact same wording. Miskin 01:10, 28 May 2006 (UTC) reply

To Margaritis: i come from those villages (i visit my ancestral village every summer and i have visited those villages many many times in my life!). those 'faithfuls' exist only in your imagination... Unfortunately for u, u came across someone who has many links with the 'vlachohoria' of Pindus, thus your lies and extreme POV has been revealed... -- Hectorian 02:00, 28 May 2006 (UTC) reply

What a joke. Doesn't is pass your mind I might hail from the same area? It's just ego dhen ime enas grekomanos. Sorry

Aldux, sorry for occupying your page for such bull***t. Tu cognoscis, ego sum tuum frater:).(simplice latinitate, right?)..(in the way Italians and Greeks use it: una fatsa, una ratsa). Ciao! -- Hectorian 02:05, 28 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Haha, this saying is famous, both among Italians and Greeks :-) As for the "Roman fraternity", I'm afraid it's not particularly felt; to much time passed with our latin neighbours ;-)--

Aldux 19:33, 28 May 2006 (UTC) reply

I don't think Italians really look towards their Eastern European neighbour Greece today with too much awe in particular or looking for any kind of inspiration. It's the Greeks who buy italiki kouzines, design, cars, food, gellata, clothes, fashion, you name them and NOT the other way round. In fact I've never seen any Greek product being sold or offered for purchase or advertized in Italy. Since you claim you're from Florence Aldux, I remember being in a cafe in Firenze and a group of noisy Greek tourists entering in haste and sitting near our table. The Italian waiter (dressed in starched white shirt and bow tie and extremely courteously and the Greeks putting the order quite rudely and then (almoust tapping the waiter) on his shoulder (a la greque) told him not to worry because Italians and Greeks are allegedly 'una faccia una razza'. The waiter pulled up a wry face and cleared his throat not bothering to hide his disgust towards his customers. Poor Greeks believed that the Italian would feel flatered but he was clearly looking down at his Eastern (and rather bumpkin) so-called relations. Apostolos Margaritis 16:00, 15 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Response to unsighned contribution, above. Italian olive oil can be up to 50 per cent Greek, but due to import export regulations it is not declared as such. As for 'una faca una raca', the joy of Italy is its variety, hence Italians will say that this Greek moto applies to the Italians south of Rome. Politis 16:04, 15 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Haha, that's a true story! My uncle produces olive oil in Peloponnese and sells most of it to Italian companies who pay him much better than the Greek ones. Italian and Cretan mafias control most of the oil production in the area. It's normal as Peloponnesian oil is the best in the world. Miskin 21:41, 15 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Unfortanately for Greece, this is far from true; Peloponnesian oil is really quite bad, and I know because I've tasted it quite often. And I know what I'm speaking about; I'm an olivicultore myself, and I'm afraid that their simply isn't competition for Greece. But it's true that Greek oil (and Tunisian, Spaniard, Portoguese) are mixed with sothern Italian oil, which anyway, telling the truth, is also quite mediocre.-- Aldux 21:53, 15 June 2006 (UTC) reply

That's like saying that French wine is bad. Where's the good oil then in your opinion? Don't tell me that you find Tuscan oil better than Greek and Sicilian. Miskin 22:35, 15 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Honestly, I never even thought the question was disputed; in Italy at least, this is given for granted, and Tuscan oil is sold at a much higher price than Sicilian oil. An important element is the oil acidity, which is 0.4% as a rule in Tuscany, but can go down to 0.1% in the best places. Also, there's the difference between collecting them from the trees or waiting them to fall; the last solution generally gives a worst oil. On the good side, southern Italian oil have a much higher productivity for tree, if lesser quality.-- Aldux 10:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC) reply

I know quite afew Tuscans who would swear that Tuscan oil is the best in the world, but I've met few people who would share this thought. Although not an expert myself, I've worked in a high-class Italian restaurant owned by Sicilians and run by Neopolitans and they imported Greek oil because they claimed it was of better quality. Only 5% of the exported Greek oil is sold under Greek brands, and chances are that you it's not top quality. What I'm saying is that I don't think you've tasted the real thing. You probably know that there's a quality standard for every product, and in the case of the olive oil, quality essentially depends on the olive. Similarly the quality of wine depends on the quality of the grape. If there are better quality of grapes growing in France and better quality of olives growing in Sicily, there's not much you can do in order to compete their potential success in wine or olive oil production. Miskin 23:35, 16 June 2006 (UTC) reply

I found a Golden George Karelias [15] box in Piombino. Miskin 13:02, 15 June 2006 (UTC) reply

And for some mysterious reason I reckon that the above sequence of events was something that you just made up. Miskin 13:03, 15 June 2006 (UTC) reply

No, it's a real event I experienced in Florence. We stayed at a hotel in the square near Santa Maria Novella called something like De Vigne if I remember well. Aldux can confirm Apostolos Margaritis 16:00, 15 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Yeah of course, I'm well aware of those "I was sitting in a bar in Acapulco"-type of stories and I know how true they are. Miskin 21:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Ehmm... I'm afraid you pretend to much from my memory; there is a restaurant on the left coming from the station, but I hardly know the name of a single hotel in Florence. Even if I do have quite a good knowledge of the square you mention, since it's so close to to the station. It also has a wiki meanining: it was there that I made my only physical encounter with a wikipedian :-) Anyways, I don't live anymore in Florence, but have moved some miles upriver.-- Aldux 16:38, 15 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Aldux I thought you were a gynaikophiliac! How on earth don't you know any hotel names? I still remember the rooms in Hotel Continental, with a view at Ponte Vecchio! :NikoSilver: 16:50, 15 June 2006 (UTC) reply

I was too poor to take a room :-( On the good side, we could always bring them to the apartment that me and my friends had taken during the university years ;-) -- Aldux 17:02, 15 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Dorks exist everywhere. I would give you dozens of counter-examples from Italian (or British, or French, or German...) tourists, but I think that it is wrong to generalise this behavior to the whole of the Italian population. Same with the Greeks, but you fail ofcourse to understand that. As for the Greek products, well, you have selective retention or categorization there too: Try frappe, feta, tourism, hotels, fabrics (I know quite a few internationally famous Greek brands -since I happen to be in the business) and shipping just out of the top of my head. Ofcourse, Greeks don't have that extra fashionable background of the "Made in Italy" tag, but then again, so do the Germans or the Brits. Nobody accuses them of being inferior in inspiration because of that though, the same way as nobody accuses the Italians of being unworthy ship-owners. So, in your words: Apostole, Vásta ton Ant-hellinismó sou...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 11:57, 13 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Τέκνον μοῦ Ἀπόστολε βάστα τῆν μαλακίαν σοῦ. Miskin 13:09, 15 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Diet of Ancient Greece up for your viewing satisfaction . Am going to have a look at Ancient Agriculture to see if it is worh doing. Bridesmill 01:31, 28 May 2006 (UTC) reply

"Culture-wise Albanians in the Republic of Macedonia are closely related with Kosovo and Albania. ^{citation needed}" you requested a fact for this statement. Can you tell me what is to be doubted here? Albanians wherever they are are culturally connected, traditions, national flag, inter-marriages, religions, music, almost everything. They just do not share the same country. What fact do you need? ilir_pz 02:00, 28 May 2006 (UTC) reply

As you are an administrator of wikipedia please tell me what do you think about macedonism as a term, thanx. Vlatko 12:27, 29 may 2006 (UTC)

OK, thanx anyway. I see you are much interested in history research. But tell me, don't you think that macedonism should be regarded as the terms germanism, helenism, portugalism, actualy the influence of their cultures. I think that macedonism has to be defined in the article as. And than to write about using macedonism. Vlatko 13:21, 31 May 2006 (UTC) reply

-- Francisco Valverde 19:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Please stop reverting the article about Bulgarians. Please read the discussion page

GR_MANOS 15:33, 31 May 2006

But why? :-( -- Telex 21:16, 31 May 2006 (UTC) reply

OK. Don't forget though, that all censi right up the the 1941 German census record a substantial Greek community (in Axis occupied Yugoslavia), and Ethnologue does list Greek as one of the minor languages spoken over there. Anyway, it was worth a shot ;-) -- Telex 22:05, 31 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Well Telex, throught WWII the teritory of Agean Macedonia was under Bulgarian ocupation, so that must represent the number of greeks in masedonia as whole.-- Vlatko 00:29, 01 June 2006 (UTC) reply

It was in the teritorry of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. -- Telex 22:33, 31 May 2006 (UTC) reply

Also, I find it most suspicious that R. Macedonia is willing to accept Bosniak, Aromanian, Turkish minorities, is being highly criticised over its treatment of its Albanians and Serbs (Albania and Serbia border them), and Bulgarians and Greeks officially don't exist, but they are willing to speculate on hundreds of thousands of Macedonians in Bulgaria and Greece. I hope no one denies that there are self-identifying Bulgarians over there... recognition of minorities is obviously selective (just like in Greece). -- Telex 22:46, 31 May 2006 (UTC) reply

What were you doing at Image:LanguagesGreece.PNG? -- Telex 17:03, 1 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks Aldux!(for your nice words in Nikola's talk-page):). Italian infuence is still seen in the Dodecanese (they were italian 49 years ago), but mostly in the Ionian islands (u know... had been venetian for a long time, many italian tourists go there every summer, italy is very close, they never were under turkish oppression...). about what u asked, Telex gave u indeed a good answer: the Uniates are not 'respected' in Greece (perhaps we prefer to see things clear, and not dressed up:p). most of the catholics in greece live in Paros, Tinos-half of the population- (the last island to fall under turkish rule in 1714, if i am not wrong), in Patra (i don't know why...) and of course in the Ionian islands (for the reasons i said). In the Ionian islands the dialect spoken has many Italian loanwords and sounds really like italian in accent (that's why i called it graeco-italian pidgin). and yes, i know the special sacred position Zakynthus has in italian poetry and literature... Foscolo was from there, afterall! also (perhaps u didn't know that) the greek national poet, Solomos, was half of Italian(venetian) origins. Ciao! -- Hectorian 01:20, 3 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the input. I must admit I didn't know about Solomos. As for the "many Italian tourists", I was one of them myself, even if I remained only a little there; I've always preferred the Greek mainland :-) Ciao.-- Aldux 16:14, 3 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Ciao! My dad is from Paxos. My grandma used to have an Italian accent. I wish I could reproduce it in writing quoting her say: "Ma ton Ái Spyrídhona" or "O-po-po symforá sou, syntelía sou mávri..." When I was young, she used to cook her specialty "pastitsádha" (spaghetti with meat and tomato sauce [slurp!]), and she used to unlock the little "portéli" in her garden to let us in. Even her name sounded Italian, or at least it had an Italian ending: "Mavretta". If you ever go to Paxos, do visit the traditional cafe of Kyr'Theófrastos in Lakka main square, and drink "tsitsibirra", a local special spicy ginger-ale that can't be exported coz the bottles blow up in the transport! There are thousands of Italian tourists in feragosto. So many, that when you bump on someone in the street, you choose subconciously to say "scusi", rather than "syghnómi". Hell, I even see Berlusconi regularly...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 21:21, 5 June 2006 (UTC) reply

We call them "spaghetti al ragù". As for the Italian "invasion" I also was quite impressed; I've never been in Paxos, but in Corfu it was really incredible how many they (we) were.-- Aldux 22:08, 5 June 2006 (UTC) reply

I know how you call them. We call them simply "Makarónia me kokkinistó" (Spaghetti with red-ed [meat]). In Paxos, however, they are named after it:pasticcio. The "porta" feminine diminutive would be "portítsa" or "portoúla", not neuter "portéli" and my grandma would be called "Mavra" not "Mavretta"... I wish I could remember more of her strange words, coz I really did love her a lot. At one point I was given a lexicon of Paxos words. I remember only one (not Italian) that I liked: "anapapsólia". It refers to some strange rings hanging from the ceiling above the wedding bed, to help the groom immobilise his virgin wife. The etymology is from "anápafsi" (rest) and "psolí" (ah-hem, quello che questi dello Sud hanno piu grande). BTW nice work on the Pomaks. I suggest you compound all references to a single destination, instead of repeating them, so as to make them fewer!  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 22:43, 5 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Hahaha, these Paxos guys seem to appreciate the things that really count ;-)))) Thanks for the suggestion regarding Pomaks; I believe you're right, and should try to reduce the number by compounding at least some of the notes.-- Aldux 10:54, 6 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Nikola, stop promoting tourism in the Ionian Islands! Aldux has already stated his taste: he has always prefered 'mainland Greece':p. perhaps Thessaly:). (this was a sense of greek regionalism...). Ciao! -- Hectorian 22:47, 5 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Yeah, he'll probably prefer to go milk a goat or something rather than sunbathing in showy white sand and swimming in crystal tyrqouise waters... (talking about regionalism!)  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 23:19, 5 June 2006 (UTC) reply

We don't have only goats in Thessaly!!! but of course u are an Eftanesiot (always your noses point to te sky..., thinking u are 'nobles'...pfff, talking about regionalism!lol). -- Hectorian 23:33, 5 June 2006 (UTC) reply

And while you're at it, send us over some cheese...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 23:36, 5 June 2006 (UTC) reply

I am from Thessaly, but not from Larisa... so, go and get some from there by yourself... -- Hectorian 23:43, 5 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Moooooo, ntei-ntei, hop-hop, tsikiti-tsak, brrrrt, sálagai-ta-práita! Nice dialect you have over there!  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 09:56, 6 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Haha, actually I've been to the Meteora, and I've also been to the Pelion; a really beautiful place if sort of ungreek; or at least the kindof place you would expect to find in Greece.-- Aldux 10:54, 6 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Niko, check your email for my reply...:p -- Hectorian 16:19, 6 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Just read your edit in Wikipedia:Macedonian Wikipedians' notice board, Aldux. U are doing a really good job in the Pomaks, and all your edits seem to be well sourced and wellwritten. personally, i do not mind seen notes in articles (no matter how many they can be); on the contrary, they give me the chance to look about something i haven't understoond or for something i may want further details. something looked strange to me in the infobox, though: Related ethnic groups:other Bulgarians, Torbesh, Gorani. hmmm, the Gorani are related to Pomaks ethnically, but the Republicans are not? i can understand if this is an attempt not to make the article a 'revert-target'... lastly, the population figure about Greece is old... maybe more up to date estimations are available (i may check it out). -- Hectorian 23:26, 5 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the input. Regarding "related ethnic groups", actually I wasn't even thinking of the Macs.; after all, I'm not that afraid of our Macedonian friends...;-) I simply made the choice on the ground that the key elements of the Pomaks are language (Bulgarian) and religion; so for this I inserted the Torbesh and Gorani, who are both Slavophones and Muslims; the key aspects of Pomak identity; after all, if they were simply Christian they would simply be common Bulgarians; while if they weren't Slavophones they would simply be Turks. Probably I should add Bosnians to the list to make this point clearer. As for the number of Pomaks in Greece, I'll probably put a range of number in its place; there isn't a linguistic census that can be used with certainity, and I don't think it's up to me to chose the right number, so I'll simply give the highest and lowest number proposed by scholars, and discuss the question better in the section on the Pomaks in Greece, that'll be the next section I'll do.-- Aldux 11:15, 6 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Interesting tape released by the HRW you might be interested in- [16]. If you find the time, could you start a page on it? I would, but unfortunately I've been blocked so I'm using User:Tchadienne today. KI

Hi :-) The problem is I'm a bit occupied with the Balkans now, even if I intend to restart intensely on Chad among some weeks. And a much bigger problem, I hardly know anything on Uganda and Southern Sudan. The best one to ask to is User:Ezeu, who's our best expert on the LRA and Uganda. As for using another name, please don't do it. You see, it's considered block evasion, and it may bring an admin. to lengthen your block. So just take a break. Ciao -- Aldux 22:29, 3 June 2006 (UTC) reply

If you revert again you may be blocked from Wikipedia. Please see WP:3RR, why not discuss in talk first? -- K a s h ^{Talk | email} 12:13, 4 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Sorry that edit was reached on a consenus it took me weeks to make; now the same editors are outright rejecting it. It is total hypocracy. The drag their feet especially user:Grandmaster who is being very counter-productive. 72.57.230.179

Well, I guess I better explain myself. First, he was already created two sockpuppets as can be view here. The main reason was refusing to cooperate in any shape way for form and threatening further action. Also, if he is User:Freestylefrappe as he claims, then he knows policy very well and could just mean more trouble. That being said, if User:KI wishes to contact me, I'm open to that but he needs to show reasonability first... Anyways, that's my view on it. Sasquatch t| c 02:14, 5 June 2006 (UTC) reply

You still have not responded to a question on my talk.   /FunkyFly.talk_   18:07, 6 June 2006 (UTC) reply

No, no, no, not what you think! This time is for something that all of us need:

Improvement of the <ref> function.

Please weigh in at Wikipedia talk:Footnotes#Poll!  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 21:52, 7 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi, re this, I disagree. Care to discuss? Please tell me why you removed it.  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 12:57, 8 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Probably because there is already a section dealing with the origin of the name: Alexander (disambiguation)#Origin. -- Telex 12:58, 8 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Sure there is, but I find the etymology quite descriptive of the particular guy's character. It's just one little summarising phrase, which deserves being there. I am going to place a footnote that refers to the #Origin section. Other than that, I don't see any reason to remove it (apart from extreme sensitivity regarding the Greekness of the name, which I find unjustified).  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 13:07, 8 June 2006 (UTC) reply

The problem is that if we do it for this Alexander, we won't be able to say no to all those who want to put the meaning in the hundreds (thousands) of Alexander in wikipedia, ancient and modern, and also the Philips and Johns.-- Aldux 21:19, 8 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Wouldn't object to that either, if it were descriptive of their personalities. WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia!  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 23:25, 8 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Alternatives are offered in the talk page and here.   /FunkyFly.talk_   21:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Please address the issue of your revert without explanation on the Elections in Cuba talk page-- Zleitzen 11:09, 9 June 2006 (UTC) reply

You have reverted three times on the Elections in Cuba page without explanation in the edit summary, and with no talk page interaction. This practice is not acceptable and frowned upon according to Wikipedia guidelines and policies. Please address this issue as soon as possible to avoid action via the Wikipedia dispute process.-- Zleitzen 18:09, 9 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Hello Aldux, I am trying to understand the reason for your reverts on the Elections in Cuba page. Your only explaination (*sigh*) and (rv) are not very helpful. BruceHallman 20:42, 9 June 2006 (UTC) reply

I hadn't been very impressed by your first edit today, especially your specific addition to Zleitzen, and when I saw you editing again, I thought you had restored it; that was rash on my part, I recognize it, and a violation of one of my most important laws, to always observe new edits with maximum attention. Too much wikiwork, I need a rest. As for not awnsering on the talk, I agreed with Ultramarine's points, so didn't see any need to add my point, as it was the same of his. Returning to your last edit, I have to insist that argues is more NPOV than identifies.-- Aldux 21:01, 9 June 2006 (UTC) reply

I think you should write the things referring to the commune itself in the titular entry (infobox - which, remember, has the title Comune di ..., geography, area, population, footer, etc.). If a city within the commune has more importance, you can write a separate article for it (i.e., with the relative History and Main sights) and insert links between the twos (i.e. See also). Let me know. user:Attilios

Not too subtle LOL. I'm on it, Agriculture should be done this eve. Noticed Jastrow working on Women in Ancient Greece - I'm putting dibs on it Bridesmill 01:15, 11 June 2006 (UTC) Agriculture of Ancient Greece up for copyedit. Bridesmill 04:32, 11 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Arghh! My perfidious schemes have been uncovered!

Oh well, they WERE quite trasparent... I've looked at Jastrow's work in progress; the one on women is really good, and only the last section is missing.-- Aldux 17:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC) reply

è aspetta. Of course, this leads to Conspiracy of Cinadon & syssitia - the former nice and short, the latter I will do from Smith, which has about 6 pages on this subject. Deme also has a few things I will add to the en:. ‎Amphipolis (FA), ‎Civilisation mycénienne (FA), ‎Naumachie, ‎Pella (FA) also on my list - any preferences? (I am very tempted to start on Jastrow's women article though) Bridesmill 19:52, 13 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Wow, thanks for the list - might have a go at fr:violences urbaines if there's nothing here already on the topic. Stevage 15:24, 12 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Jun 2006–Jul 2006 Information

Hi. I have proposed to move the following monarchs from their current, generally Polish-spelled names (with diacriticals) to the systematical English name, citing my general ground that English should be used, not Polish. Would you share your opinion at Talk:Bolesław I the Brave , Talk:Bolesław II the Bold, Talk:Mieszko II Lambert, Talk:Władysław III Spindleshanks, Talk:Jan I Olbracht and Talk:Kazimierz III the Great. Marrtel 19:58, 12 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks; that was quick - found it though link-checking the Helots trans, which should be done tomorrow. Bridesmill 02:27, 13 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Arrogance is not always a bad thing! Thanks for your advice. The french article is really very useful and I'll keep an eye on it.-- Yannismarou 10:25, 14 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Not a trans, but also did Hippeis from Smith. Naumachia & Cinadon being worked on. Bridesmill 01:45, 15 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux, a question about Italian names. For an article about a 15th-century Venetian military leader, provveditore of the Morea Jacomo Barbarigo, which spelling of the first name would you prefer as the primary one: Jacomo, Giacomo, Jacopo? All three seem to be attested. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:05, 16 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Would you tell me why you suppressed the problem of entrance of women into Rotary, the Duarte club affair. Thank you. PierreLarcin2 19:44, 16 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi, I have said quite a lot on the Pomaks at Minority groups in Greece (in the Slav section). I don't know how this will affect your work on the Pomaks article, in the area of duplicating information. -- Telex 20:57, 16 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Nice work. I don't see great problems: I've found tons of material on the Greek Pomaks, so it'll be considerable bigger. As for duplicates, we will eventually discuss it at the present conditions, if to shorten some pieces or keep it at it is.-- Aldux 21:46, 16 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks. :) You know, my brother married Italian women last year. She is from Noci. Beautiful country, you people are privileged.

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Cigor 14:30, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
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Too nice, Cigor :-)) -- Aldux 16:14, 19 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Hm, you say that as if is a bad thing...-- Cigor 13:11, 20 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Really? Well, I must admit that I become a bit partisan, maybe even nationalist regarding my country and still more my region and my valley; this is a reason why I generally don't edit on Italy-related subjects ;-) So I must admit I do feel a bit privileged! ;-)))))-- Aldux 14:11, 20 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Aldux, would you be interested in helping with Sclaveni? It's an article created by Deucalionite about the Slavs in early Byzantium. Interesting topic, but I think it needs some work. I haven't got too much literature about the social and population history of that time here right now (only Mango's Oxford History of Byzantium, which is good, but doesn't provide the sort of detail we'd need.) Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:33, 18 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Please motivate your changes on talk page. Also, be aware that I am going to report 3RR violations as soon as you begin using these.-- Constanz - Talk 07:50, 20 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Please stop bothering me, and my personal page. I am Faethon. Nice to meet you, and good bye. KymeSnake2 21:36, 22 June 2006 (UTC) Anyway, if you insist to run after me, for now on I am following the Albanian proverbs list [17] KymeSnake2 21:59, 22 June 2006 (UTC) reply

I was born 12 May 2005. How old are you? ARrohetMeZemer 22:19, 22 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Why u did this [18]? ? did u see this [19]? Even more surprising, just an edit before, a user provided a National Geographic source named "Constantinople Today", from 1922 [20]. i really cannot understand when a name in another language should be included in the articles... (or maybe some editors try not to 'hurt' turkish sensitive matters, as the greek name in Istanbul is? -- Hectorian 00:55, 24 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks! -- Alex S 16:13, 24 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi, Aldux. Nice to meet you. Thanks for reverting "BC" back to "BCE" in the Posidonius article. Wikipedia is a world-wide project so when I made my contributions to the article I wanted to use "BCE" as it's a more universal designation. Probably the anonymous edit was well-intentioned, quite possible that the anon had never heard of "BCE". -- Tregonsee 21:46, 24 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Actually I'm quite neutral on the issue, truely; I only helped maintain the status quo, against arbitrary changes.-- Aldux 22:53, 26 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Could not resist - sorry But I did put two more in the queue that are not too lengthy but need doing. Bridesmill 03:18, 25 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Hippias major done; also did small section on authenticity - apparently there is no argument in France (unlike here) that it is authentic. Ciao Bridesmill 00:50, 3 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux, I've given some thought to our last exchange on my talk and wonder if you would accept a nomination for adminship. I glanced over your recent edits and think you would find the privileges useful. A word of caution: I've never seen a nominator who had voluntary desysopped previously. There's an outside chance this may affect some voters, so you may want to seek another nominator. If you're still interested, please glance over the guide and get back to me. There's no rush, so feel free to give it some thought. If you say yes, I'll dig into your edits some more and come up with a nomination in a couple days. Cheers, BT 00:51, 26 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux, I finally managed to start Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Aldux. I'm very sorry for the delay; I had forgotten how busy my schedule was for Independence Day weekend. I have informed Ezeu that he should go ahead with his co-nom. Please read over my nom statement and let me know if you feel I have misrepresented anything. While I initially wanted to concentrate on the articles we had edited in common, a review of your talk pages convinced me that I needed to address the controversies bleeding over from the Balkan pages directly. Some points that may come up in your nomination that you may want to address in your answers to the standard questions are below, though you may of course ignore them as you wish:

1. You have relatively low usage of edit summaries. I would suggest forcing edit summary prompts through your editing preferences tab and making a note of it in the RFA
2. Use of vulgarity in edit summaries, such as this, even if it is mild vulgarity to exasperating editing, is frowned upon and may earn some opposes. I would recommend addressing this and any other such edit summaries in your answers to questions.

Once Ezeu had added his co-nom, please update the end time and transclude the page into WP:RFA per this guidance. Remember that the only time limit starts after you accept, so take as much time as you want to answer the questions. Good luck! - BT 04:34, 4 July 2006 (UTC) reply

I dunno if you've seen the latest craziness from Tchad... Can you check out my mention on the current events page (yesterday's)? I have a bad habit of overhyping... but I think it may be warranted. Im also interested in your opinion on this. Is this good? bad? Personally, Im no fan of Bozize, but this probably means a lot more dead citizens. (KI) Tchadienne 15:14, 28 June 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi there. You recently took part in a discussion on the reorganisation of the article History of Greek and Roman Egypt. I added some comments here that I'd welcome comments on. Thanks. Carcharoth 22:52, 29 June 2006 (UTC) reply

But why did you have to remove interesting and relevant information? Am I subconsciously POV pushing (i.e. without realizing it)? -- Tēlex 11:29, 3 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux, would you be interested in commenting on a matter of (as usual, slightly ideological POV-pushing) dispute about Greek history? It's about the Souliotes, and we are having the usual ethnic disputes, about the weight of the contribution of the Albanian population element in pre-modern Epirus this time. We badly need some proper academic references, people are working on the basis of cheap patriotic history booklets from the Greek mass market... Thanks! Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Ah, thanks, that will help some! I was still hoping for someone to have access to some real literature, but just watching out for the more obvious sillinesses of revert warring is still very welcome too. :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:01, 3 July 2006 (UTC) reply

I know it is totally irrelevant, but i really wanted to say this: Vive l' Italia!:) -- Hectorian 00:55, 6 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Hehe! we are also waiting for the final! (no need to mention that almost the whole Greece supports Italy!). Squadra Azzurra for ever!!! (in the cases that Greece does not take part, of course:p). the climate has gone mad! it rains almost every day, but it is rather hot... lol, welcome to the tropical! Οι καλύτερες ευχές μου για την Κυριακή, φίλε μου! (My best wishes for Sunday, my friend!):) -- Hectorian 01:24, 6 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Yeah, when I looked at the two articles, I knew that the cross-wiki was a bit off, but it was off for "Hellenisitc civilization" as well. I'm thinking that a completely new page is in order. A google search shows "Hellenistic period" as more often used (433k vs. 190k), but you being an expert on the time period would be better informed as to what the appropriate title will be. Do you think I should create the new article and keep adding translated sections, or should I simply continue work at the talk page and upload the new article when complete, by the way? Also, a minor note, but in English you would say you're "enthusiastic" (or "enthused" if you want to say you've "become enthusiastic," but no one really uses this word and its a bit pedantic) rather than "enthusiast." A better term altogether to use would be "overjoyed" or "excited," though. Don't take it as nitpicking, but as constructive criticism, though. :) — ዮም (Yom) | contribs • Talk • E 02:18, 7 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Knowing Aldux, "enthused", from entheos (god within), sounds about right, as well as "blissful", delirious", dithyrambic", "ecstatic", "elysian" "enchanted", "enraptured", "enravished", "hysterical", "in seventh heaven", "possesed" and "rhapsodic" ;-) Paul August ☎ 03:21, 7 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi Paul, didn't know you had such a poetic vein.

Nice to hear from you, how are things going?-- Aldux 15:19, 7 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Well thanks. I'm heading to Rome then down to Calabria at the end of September. And how are things with you? Are you excited about the World Cup? Paul August ☎ 00:09, 8 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Oh, I'm OK, and I'm nearing my first wiky-birthday.

As for, the World Cup, you can immagine, we've gon all mad! If we win, we're going to celebrate till Christmas!-- Aldux 00:25, 8 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Perhaps you are all "blissful", delirious", dithyrambic", "ecstatic", "elysian" "enchanted", "enraptured", "enravished", "hysterical", "in seventh heaven", "possesed" and "rhapsodic"? Paul August ☎ 00:48, 8 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Or maybe "anguished", "hysterical", "neurotic", "sleepless"; the final has still to be played!

.-- Aldux 10:47, 8 July 2006 (UTC) reply

My thoughts exaclty - the Prefecture page needs to be its own, the Pella page needs to have a hatnote pointing to it, but Hist. of Pella & Pella should be together with the talk pages sorted out likewise - (& then I can get on with doing the trans - unless you had something else up your sleeve ) Dropped in at User_talk:Wetman#Pella also, I'm thinking there is not liekly to be much other comment; if not I'll get on with it in a few days. Bridesmill 17:03, 9 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Another proposal to move Caron is currently underway. Since you participated in a past discussion of this, you may be interested. Jonathunder 17:35, 9 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Aldux, don't you think that Bulgarian Muslims is a fork of Pomaks? Perhaps they should be merged. -- Tēlex 19:02, 9 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Oh, nobody doubts they should and shall be merged; I've already discussed of the thing with Todor, and he agreed; the only reason this still hasn't happened is that I thought that first thre should be a complete article, but unfortunately it's quite hard to work at the same times on Ancient Greece, modern Balkans and Africa, so I'm proceeding much slower than I thought. :-(-- Aldux 22:51, 9 July 2006 (UTC) reply

== GOD EXISTS == And I've just found the proofs!!!!!!!!! (BTW, I've also discovered that he's Italian )-- Aldux 21:40, 9 July 2006 (UTC) reply

I am the first to second that! Una facia una razza, I guess! BTW, did you know that your "Auguri" would sound to a Greek like your "Cetriolo"? Well, Cetriollo, then! (and use it anyway you like). Sorry about Zouzou, though... I kinda liked him. :NikoSilver: 00:14, 10 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Grazie amico. I supported Greece in the 2004 final (even if I must admit I didn't expect them to win... ah yes the Greeks really took Europe by surprise then ;-)). As for Zizu, I also was a bit sad (just a bit....) for his ending that way such a career, but I must admit I was a bit egoistic; first the victory, than Zizou! Ciao,-- Aldux 00:37, 10 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Congradulations from me as well, Aldux!!!:))). I was sure that Italy would win... it couldn't had been otherwise:). about Zizu... no comment:p (btw, i liked Niko's internal links!) -- Hectorian 01:33, 10 July 2006 (UTC) reply

;-) Paul August ☎ 02:27, 10 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Congratulazioni, amico! (although there is probably les autres who think this means the anti-christ reigns

Bridesmill 02:56, 10 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks to all, my friends. As for les autres, it is well known that it's them who are servants of the anti-Christ.... ;-)-- Aldux 10:22, 10 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi. There's a debate about how much "X-ian" one must be in order to be considered "X-American" (or X-Yian for that matter) and be categorized as such. The poll is here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Rules for lists of X-Americans. Kindly weigh in! :NikoSilver: 21:50, 9 July 2006 (UTC) reply

thanks Aldux, i'm going to start doing translations regularly. you know, inter-wiki co-operation and stuff.

good luck with your admin nomination, and congratulations on the world cup!

Rich 00:01, 10 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Well, that'll be the first article we're not bitching too much about! :-) :NikoSilver: 22:05, 10 July 2006 (UTC) reply

On Talk:List of Byzantine Emperors I've suggested a limited moratorium because I don't think the current discussion is leading to, or can lead to, consensus. I hope you'll vote, for or against! Best wishes Andrew Dalby 13:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Concerning this [21] u may have to refresh your greek:)... dopia neutral singular, dopioi male plural-the speakers of it, dopians... doesn't exist. btw, the dopioi identify as Greeks. it means natives: dopios<-ντόπιος<-'ντόπιος<-εντόπιος(adjective)<-εν+τόπος(in+place). Regards -- Hectorian 17:05, 11 July 2006 (UTC) reply

There is no "Dopioi". It is either "Ntopioi" or "Dopii" - take your pick. -- Tēlex 17:07, 11 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Telex...:p. I bet that Aldux knows how to pronunce them all (it is the same!). maybe i should try the IPA next time. -- Hectorian 17:24, 11 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Oh well, I'm not the only one who gets it wrong ;-)-- Aldux 17:35, 11 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Even though, as they say, μηδένα προ του τέλους μακάριζε, I just wanted to be the first to congratulate you on your impending adminship. Unless you hidden opponents find something to turn the match in the last minute, like your nation's football players, you'll be unstoppable! :-) -- Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:24, 11 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Ah yes, me too. -- Tēlex 21:32, 11 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks my friends, but it's better wait a few hours - you never know :-)-- Aldux 21:46, 11 July 2006 (UTC) reply

		The Barnstar of National Merit
		For your exceptional work in contributing high levels of referenced material on Greek history, you are awarded this barnstar. Blnguyen | rant-line 03:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC) reply

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For the exceptional work in articlespace across many countries. Blnguyen | rant-line 03:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC) reply

		The Epic Barnstar
		For your magnificent work in expanding ancient Greek history Blnguyen | rant-line 03:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC) reply

I am pleased to let you know that, consensus reached, you are now an Administrator. You should find the following forums useful:

• Administrators' reading list
• Administrators' how-to guide
• Administrator's Noticeboard

• Administrator's Noticeboard for Incidents
• Administrator's Noticeboard for Three-revert-rule violations

Congratulations on your promotion and the best of luck with your new charge! Redux 02:57, 12 July 2006 (UTC) reply

• Congratulations! You'll be a fine admin. -- Ezeu 03:07, 12 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Congrats Aldux. I guess I should watch RfA, I didn't even get to vote for you! Well I'm sure you didn't need my vote ;-) Paul August ☎ 03:18, 12 July 2006 (UTC) reply

All the best on your successful RfA. I cruised in at the last minute, and was surprised to see that with all your contributions to Wikipedia, the relative lack of support that you got. Anyway, here's to the most unsung hero ever on wikipedia. Blnguyen | rant-line 03:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC) reply

The reasonable tone of that RFA may have helped restore my faith in process. ;) Congratulations on your long overdue promotion. - BT 04:07, 12 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Congrats! Have fun moppin'.-- Andeh 10:49, 12 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Come on guys, you'll make me blush...;-)-- Aldux 15:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC) reply

I'm not at all sure, but then what's new, where Chad's concerned!
My edit was based on this [ [22]], which quotes a presidential decree of 15 February 2006, nominating ministers, and showing the GNNT under the responsibility of the Minister for Territorial Administration. (Incidentally it also shows the Ministry of Defence as being attached to the Presidency.)
On the other hand, I also found this [23], dated 10 May 2006, which says the President, through the Ministry of Defence, nominated two military officers to senior posts in the GNNT. (But this may mean that these are two Army officers being posted to jobs in the GNNT, not that the GNNT is under the Ministry of Defence.)
However, going back to 2004, there are draft minutes of proceedings in the National Assembly [24] that say the Minister of Defence is responsible the Army, Air Force, GNNT and Gendarmerie.
But finally, legislation dating from 1994, that appears still to be in force [25], does show the GNNT as part of the Ministry of the Interior.
So, you can take your pick. My guess is that responsibility is shared and has moved back and forth. Lots of the GNNT are presumably still tied up guarding people, buildings and prisoners in every prefecture and sous-prefecture across the country and therefore take their orders from the local civil administrator, which makes it sensible for them to be part of the territorial administration ministry. On the other hand, when there is rebel activity, some of them presumably get mobilised to fight alongside the Army, so there would be more sense for them to be under the defence ministry. Don't know if this helps!
Kahuzi 09:37, 12 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks for your response. I've copied our exchange onto the talk page for the GNNT, so anyone can see easily why we've left it as it is. Kahuzi 13:37, 13 July 2006 (UTC) reply

( [26]) Here, this is for you:

Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:32, 12 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Ha ha! And... el:cetriolli for your adminship too! :NikoSilver: 15:02, 12 July 2006 (UTC) reply

PS. For those of you who are barbarians, read above to understand...

Congratulations on your recent granting of admin powers. I would like to draw your attention to a worthy use of those powers - the closing of copyvio reports listed on WP:CP. As you'll see there are many tens of such reports that need dealing with each day, and the backlog is barely being kept under control despite a couple of us spending lots of time working on them. The process is pretty easy and sorting a few only takes a little time and with a group of people helping, we can keep the backlog under control easily - just review the article & the source to ensure it is a copy, and then delete. Any help would certainly be appreciated - any questions, ask away. Kcordina ^Talk 09:08, 13 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Well eventhough I'm annoyed by everything Italian ever since the unjust and random victory of 9/7, I admit that if it weren't for my long wiki-break I would have definitely voted positively for your adminship. I had once even considered suggesting you in the first place, but I then preferred to avoid being passed for a "boot-licker" [(CP)-Apostolos Margaritis]. So Congrats. Miskin 13:17, 13 July 2006 (UTC) reply

And here's my gift [27]. Miskin 13:21, 13 July 2006 (UTC) reply

I'm afraid I disagree strongly regards the final, but I really appreciate your congrats, thanks!

-- Aldux 13:35, 13 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks. You are showing remarkable restraint; We have certainly never worked together on that article AFAIR, many admins would simply act (and get horrid reputations for bias - see the East Sea page lock put on by the Japanese admin) Not sure whether I should try to fix the Rotary mess (with undoubted revert silliness) or just let his ramblings speak for themselves until a neutral admin can jump in. Your thoughts? Bridesmill 16:47, 14 July 2006 (UTC) reply

That was nothing, I only saw that the dispute went on and on without a consensus being found, and much worse, Pierre risked making the talk so inflamatory to make the talks of Balkans-related articles masterpieces of good manners. I've contacted Jkelly for trying a mediation, as he is a particularly experienced and respected editor, and, more important, he always remains cool when the situation gets hot.-- Aldux 17:20, 14 July 2006 (UTC) reply

My name is Avdo. I noticed the milestones template on your page and I think it's a really great idea! I'd like to try to make one for myself, based on your template, but I do not want to "steal" your idea without your permission :). I will put your username on the bottom of the template, something along the lines of "Thanks to Aldux", just to show how gratefull I am for your permission (if I get it :)). Best regards, -- GOD OF JUSTICE 06:36, 15 July 2006 (UTC) reply

? -- GOD OF JUSTICE 05:04, 16 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Thank you for the information, I appreciate it :) -- GOD OF JUSTICE 22:19, 16 July 2006 (UTC) reply

If you want to watch an article, watch Greeks. It's been trolled by two anons - one (most likely User:Kamikazi2) who keeps replacing the census data for FYROM with the JP figures, and another one who keeps messing with the number of Greeks in Greece in favour of an WP:OR figure. -- Tēlex 10:42, 15 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Do you think you could do something about that anon who just violated the 3RR (was warned). If I report him (due to the backlog at AN3), it'll take years until something is actually done about it. -- Tēlex 11:17, 15 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Aldux, If you want to block me, do it now.

As far as I know, I have placed conferencemakers on the wiki MYSELF, restored two time and that's your friend BridesMill who blanked that three times WITHOUT ANY JUSTIFICATION. HE needs to be blocked.

About the proximity between Rotarians Lindbergh and Prescott Bush and the nazi theses, there is absolutely nothing in the talk page. So WHAT ?? Place it here, so I can answer. If nothing between two days -clock in the hand-, I replace the both phrases. PierreLarcin2 16:55, 15 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Bridesmill, explain here CLEARLY what you talked : "I had deleted that way back in june - but with cause as explained above." BTW - the source for their membership is probably the Rotary site itself isn't it? I wouldn't call that 'manipulating the internet to hide the truth'. For Christ'sake where did you see that phrase under my pen about proximity between rotarians P. Bush and Rotarian Lindbergh ? PierreLarcin2 16:59, 15 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Please explain me WHAT I have to refute. SO I WILL BE ABLE CAN DO IT. But for the moment I dunnot know what I need to refute. Place it here clearly.

If nothing between two days -clock in the hand-, I replace the both phrases. PierreLarcin2 16:59, 15 July 2006 (UTC) reply

I know it is ridiculous. When User:Objectivee did his first change, I thought to myself this is so silly, nobody will believe. However I will have limited participation in the article, I would really prefer some moderate Albanian ideally from Macedonia to be involved.-- Cigor 19:02, 15 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Yes, I understand, and I would be happy if a sensible editor like Telex would do the work. As for dedicated Macedonian Albanians, I haven't as yet seen much; telling the truth, in a year of activity, I have found only two active "Albanian" editors really interested in Macedonia, that is REX (no more active, I think) and Telex.-- Aldux 11:30, 16 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi! and congradulations! (for the 2nd time in one week!). can u please take a look in this article? anon IPs and 'well-known' users push POV and remove sourced info. i am not sure if i should ask for protection of the article, but i think that semi protection is really needed:(... -- Hectorian 20:26, 15 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Yes. Policy permits it - Francis just blocked an IP for 3RR, and he evaded it (probably via open proxies) and continued reverting. You can to it to stop blocked users editing with the {{ sprotect-banneduser}} tag. -- Tēlex 20:31, 15 July 2006 (UTC) reply

He was using open proxies and Francis blocked them all (for 24 hours each). However, I think one of them slipped, and he made a revert under his own IP (the one from Romania - 86.124.112.36 ( talk · contribs · block log)). This is why I think he's suddenly dissapeared ;-) -- Tēlex 11:09, 16 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Nah, it looks like he's back (probably editing via an open proxy). As long as he does nothing wrong... -- Tēlex 11:15, 16 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Please feel free to evaluate the Libya article which has become a 'Featured Article Candidate' and write you support or opposition on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates. Hopefully Libya will become only the second African country to be featured on Wikipedia. Thanks -- User:Jaw101ie 12:30, 16 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks. Thats what I was aiming for. See the talk page :) - FrancisTyers · 17:50, 16 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Well, Hectorian just added back "Greek" instead of "Byzantian". Seeing as I can't remove it, I'll readd the rest (because it is sourced). Your input would be appreciated. - FrancisTyers · 18:17, 16 July 2006 (UTC) reply

What is the next step in this saga? I am very close to losing my cool with this individual... Bridesmill 22:51, 16 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Regarding what's happening to your talk page maybe you should consider doing what an editor said wrote on his user talk: "Hello. Thanks for visiting my talk page. I really enjoy hearing from people, but if you decide to post here you should know that I reserve the right to delete, without response, comments that I determine -- in my sole, exclusive, and quite probably biased judgment -- to be abusive, irrelevant, or simply annoying."

To make it clear, you are free to delete anything Pierre wrote on your talk page, as this is your talk page. If he insists, I'll you, so don't worry for that. But be careful to keep calm, and especially read what he wrote at User talk:Jkelly, as he's pushing there against you, trying to get you blocked. It's a pity I have so little knowledge of the argument, cause I can't help you much; I only hope Jkelly will be able to do something. I must admit also I'm partly trying to avoid direct confrontation, as he terribly remembers me the Balcanic ultranationalists I've met so many time in wikipedia, and God knows I already have had too many disputes with that sort of guys. But please remember, keep calm; at the end Pierre's rudeness and personal attacks will only damage him, not you. Ciao, -- Aldux 23:35, 16 July 2006 (UTC) reply

My congratulations for your adminship :) If I knew it, I would have supported it :) talk to +MATIA 09:28, 17 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks Matia, I had no doubts of that :-)-- Aldux 11:13, 17 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Bad English?? Come on, this is a cheapshot :) ... Not the case i am afraid.

'"there are minority communities in Greek Macedonia with their own dialect and history but where the overwhelming majority consists of Greeks (who are also known as Macedonians in the region), as well as in Albania and Bulgaria"

Talking of bad english... This phrase does seem to make sense. Am i not entitle to change it? Seems not.

(In any case between you and me there is no seperate history and if you beleive so please make some reffereces to you sources).

The lack of refferences is quite evident in the whole of the text. I do not see why i should provide bibliography for altering (in good faith) passages that state important but in a way unaccurate facts and do not have any reffences to back them up. In any case, i will do so if anyone asks me for it but i wont lose my time when it seems that certain people are quite satisfied with their wotk and do not accept comments and corrections.(but if this is the case they should not write here, really)

As for the ancient period paragraph. It is quite misleading since it does not refer to ancient times at all. Propably should exclude all the passage from text. It is indeed a controversial article and a very amusing one to follow up, from its creation to the seemingly result. Is like drafting a treaty between hostal tribes. The fact that large parts of the outcome derive from original contributions with very clear, highly nationalistic positions for the one (mostly) and the other side is absolutely charming.

Considering all that, i think that i propably could lower my expectations but of course not abandon them. This article has flaws and can be improved. The fact that is controversial should not be considered a problem. There is no thing like status quo ante in wiki as far as i know. In any case my alterations reffer to comonly accepted facts undisputed by all sides. I will sincerely continue keeping you company in your efforts. Thanks in advance Haas

ps: i am not a freak nationalist. The choice of words should be more carefull. You are lowering the level here Bomac (and may i add: an impresseive page, wow! I wonder if you can tell the same thing for yourself...) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Haas K. D. ( talk • contribs)

Jul 2006–Aug 2006 Information

Hi Aldux, the Greek geo articles were recently unprotected again, but Mywayyy hasn't given up and keeps reverting twice or three times daily. Would you consider re-protecting? Please see User:Future Perfect at Sunrise/Mywayyy for the details to-date. -- As for something different, the posting above is by a new user who was trying to make some changes to Macedonians (ethnic group) but was reverted, by Telex and others. It might be good if someone kept an eye on it to make sure he understands the rules of NPOV, but also that he doesn't get bitten. Cheers, Fut.Perf. ☼ 05:30, 18 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Is it really? I thought I recognized the style... Bridesmill 13:58, 18 July 2006 (UTC) reply

There are very little doubts IMO.-- Aldux 15:09, 18 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Hello. The contributions of a "new" user SemiProtected appear to be directed at you. Perhaps you want to take a look. Jonathunder 17:26, 18 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux, please await PHG's reply to the debate before reverting the image. Regards Vastu 11:15, 19 July 2006 (UTC) reply

In reponse to your revert comment, there is indeed no reason it should remian - and until the debate is resolved, no reason the original should either - yet you have favoured keeping that. Vastu 11:29, 19 July 2006 (UTC) reply

The awnser is very simple - PHG's map has successfully passed through a Featured article nomination, your's has not, and generally speaking PHG is the main author of several featured articles. So don't be surprised I tend to value PHG's opinion particularly highly.-- Aldux 12:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC) reply

So have you read the article and decided for yourself, or are you mearly going on this 'reputation', which im sure a person like PHG neither desires or requires, as they obiously consider scholarship paramount to dogma. I shouldnt have to remind you that wikipedia is open to anyone - you are engaging in vandalism of someone's legitimate edit, which has not yet been disproven in any argument. Indeed, I am still awaiting PHG's reply - I am unsure whether he/she plans to reply at all, as they are usually punctual - until then, your reversion amounts to vandalism. I am beggining to suspect ulterior motives here, i.e. Hellenic bias, else why did you revert the image, and not allow PHG to decide? Vastu 18:01, 20 July 2006 (UTC) reply

You will be glad to know that the issue has almost been resolved, and by the latest comment from PHG, will likely end with the general outline of the latest map, with some minor alterations (thinkening of the campaign line. Vastu 10:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Per request, regards. I'll be watching it. Perhaps apply for mediation? - FrancisTyers · 21:12, 21 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Now what republic would that ^---^ be? Ha ha. Thanks Al, for the note. I responded accordingly. Feel free to LMTO! :NikoSilver: 00:34, 23 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Thank you for taking the time to express an opinion in my recent request for adminship. I have withdrawn my self-nomination because there seemed little prospect for further productive discussion or the formation of a consensus to promote. Many commentators offered constructive critisism that I will use to improve myself as a user. Others suggested that the nomination was premature and that a re-nom in a few months would be more likely to gain consensus. You suggested that I did not yet have enough experience for adminship. If you have the time, I would be curious as to what level of edits or time on wikipedia you consider sufficient. As there is a wide range of opinion on these matters I want to do my best to gauge the rough consensus on these issues. Ciao! Eluchil404 20:13, 25 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Thank you so much for voting in my recent RFA. It passed on the relatively narrow vote of 38/8/8. It was also one of the least-participated-in RFA nominations in several months, so pat yourself on the back, and join the party on your left, but first, take your cookie! NOTE: I can't code HTML to save my life. I copied this from Misza13. I guess I should write him a thank you note as well. Cookies sold separately. Batteries not included. Offer not valid with other coupons. May contain peanuts or chicken. Keep out of the reach of small children, may present a choking hazard to children under the age of 3. Do not take with alcohol. This notice has a dark background and therefore may be eaten by a grue at any time. The receiver of this message, hereafter referred to as "Pudding Head" relinquishes all rights and abilities to file a lawsuit or any other litigious activities. RyanGerbil10, Jimbo Wales, and the states of Georgia, North Dakota and Wisconsin are not liable for any lost or stolen items or damage from errant shopping carts.

Thank you so much! RyanG e rbil10 (The people rejoice!) 04:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Title says it all. [28] I dont have time to put up a page... but might I suggest 2006 Chad-Sudan Accord? Tchadienne 17:24, 26 July 2006 (UTC) reply

N'Djamena Accord sounds good - as a title, not in practical terms. From what I've read the accord does not differ at all from the last one so its significance is highly questionable. Regarding Janjaweed, it seems as though the Sudanese government provides money and arms to the Janjaweed, but their actual control and oversight over Janjaweed incursions is unknown and debatable. Janjaweed and the Sudanese Government have similar goals but have fought against each other, according to HRW's report, during this conflict. Tchadienne 22:57, 26 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux,

First off, congratulations on your successful RfA. :) It appears that Mywayyy is reverting articles again. Could you please protect Pharmakonisi, Gyali, Gavdos, Fourni Korseon, Arkoi, and Agathonisi? I doubt anons will normally go to those articles anyways. Thanks! — Khoikhoi 17:40, 29 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks again. — Khoikhoi 18:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC) reply

User:84.164.* are Asteraki in case you were wondering :) — see Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Asteraki. - FrancisTyers · 16:26, 31 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Darn, I always confound Asteraki and Kamikazi, maybe because they're so similar ;-)-- Aldux 17:48, 31 July 2006 (UTC) reply

Your changing of someone else's comments on User:Jkelly's talk page is rude, and vandalism. Please don't do this again.-- Vidkun 14:02, 1 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Vidkun is quite mistaken. Aldux left a message on Jkelly's page [29] and Vidkun Yabafh vandalized it [30] — his first ever edit. Aldux merely undid the vandalism. [31] Why he didn't block the vandal, I can't imagine. (I have now rectified that!) AnnH ♫ 14:13, 1 August 2006 (UTC) reply

So, while we are in the midst of pointing out honest mistakes, you want to fix yours, up there?-- Vidkun 14:45, 1 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Vidkun, thanks for trying to keep my talk page from being abused. It is appreciated. Clearly you haven't met Aldux yet, so you wouldn't know that there is really no danger of vandalism from this account. Jkelly 15:28, 1 August 2006 (UTC) reply

I apologize for not checking the history, Aldux.-- Vidkun 14:45, 1 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Don't worry Vidkun, nothing's happened :-)-- Aldux 16:09, 1 August 2006 (UTC) reply

And thanks for correcting my error, Ann.-- Aldux 16:12, 1 August 2006 (UTC) reply

If Iasson is a banned user, then the thing to do is to rollback every edit from a sockpuppet (even any good edits). It is annoying, especially when other editors who don't know the situation get worked up about it (this happens especially when rolling back messages to user talkpages). But it is the only way to enforce a ban, and it is also the only way to make sure that attempting to create new accounts and continue disrupting Wikipedia is not rewarding. I don't know who Iasson is, which suggests that it might make sense to make sure that you have a summary of the situation handy to link to and to ask more admins to help out. Welcome to adminship! Jkelly 15:28, 1 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Getting blocked for enforcing policy is a danger (in fact, I've just gotten myself involved in a case of it -- see WP:AN/3RR and WP:AN/I). Just make sure that lots of other admins know what is going on so that someone clueless doesn't think that you're abusing admin tools in a content dispute or the like. Jkelly 16:12, 1 August 2006 (UTC) reply

With checkuser-confirmed socks of banned users, one should delete any articles that they created and are the only real contributor to. Just make sure that the deletion summary gives the reason. As for obvious, but not confirmed, socks, it is probably a good idea to bring up the matter at WP:AN for discussion and so that more people know what you're doing. Jkelly 19:46, 3 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Sure, if there are two sides which are just blindly reverting without any discussion on the talk page, even if they haven't violated the 3RR it would be fine to block them both for a few hours to calm down. At least get them to stop reverting while you try and calm the situation down. Of course, remember blocking is preventative rather than punative, so if you do block them, watch their talk pages, and point out that you will happily unblock them if they agree to stop reverting each other and start discussing things on the talk page. - FrancisTyers · 22:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks, I'll keep it in mind. Ciao-- Aldux 23:02, 1 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Hello Aldux, Thanks for participating in my RFA! Ultimately, no consensus was reached, but I still appreciate the fact that you showed up to add in your two cents. You can feel free to talk to me about it or add some advice on my improvement page. Sincerely, The ikiroid ( talk· desk· Advise me)

List of Chad-related topics. I think you're last edit to the WikiProject may not show up on the Chad-related topics page. From now on add the articles there. I'm not sure if thios kind of page is supposed to be listed somewhere... I just saw List of China-related topics and I tried to emulate. Tchadienne 13:50, 3 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux, Could you please semi-protect Kos? Some anon keeps adding spam and I keep reverting it. Thanks. — Khoikhoi 17:54, 4 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks. Also, would you mind helping me out with Bonaparte? He's trolling again? — Khoikhoi 18:06, 4 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks again Aldux. :D I'll make sure to let you know. — Khoikhoi 19:00, 4 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks for adding the template. Tchadienne 20:06, 4 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Please protected arcicle: Rapcore. User:Egr / 85.18.14.4 is vandal. Some users reverted edits by User:Egr / 85.18.14.4. Please protected arcicle and bloch this user and IP. LUCPOL 20:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Well, I guess it hasn't been that long—could you semi-protect the Artsakh article? The banned user Rovoam is editing again. — Khoikhoi 22:10, 4 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Grazie! — Khoikhoi 22:30, 4 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Sorry I keep asking you for help, but Bonaparte keeps trolling the Romanian county articles, deleting the Hungarian names. Could you semi-protect those pages? Thanks... — Khoikhoi 16:46, 5 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Wow, I cannot thank you enough...if there is any favor you need from me, just let me know! — Khoikhoi 21:01, 5 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Why is it that you are one of those that support that rediculous myth that there was homosexuality in ancient Greece and Rome. Homosexuality was not commonplace back then and there is no credible evidence to suggest that it was. People such as yourself instead misinterpret greek literature in such a way as to support your rediculous theory. ~~66.53.98.122 5 August 2006

Could you please do something about permabanned User:LBakraceski's sockpuppet on Accession of Bulgaria to the European Union. He keeps inserting an unsourced POV fragment, and if he inserts it again, he'll have violated the 3RR. If you want proof that it's a sock, check the IP's contributions. He adds an interwiki to an article that he worked on at fyromwiki by mk:User:LBakraceski. -- Telex 15:42, 6 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Also, User:125.244.186.2 just violated the 3RR at Macedonia. -- Telex 16:02, 6 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Earlier today I created the Dakar Accord. Unfortunately, I've had a bit of a tussle with a few rogue users and my account is blocked. Could you move it to Dakar accord (lowercase "a")? Thanks. P.S. I'd appreciate it if you could unblock my account, though I realize this might upset the admin(s) who blocked me. Tchadienne

Hi, I saw that you protected the page because of Bonaparte's actions. The only problem is that with your move exactly that version was protected what Criztu and Bonaparte like to see - the one without the Hungarian name. I don't know whether you noticed that Criztu launched a campaign against Hungarian geographical names in Transylvania, and this debate was part of that campaign. I would like to kindly ask you to restore the name "Szatmár megye" in the lead. Zello 21:11, 6 August 2006 (UTC) reply

I dont remove the name by which hungarians refer to an administrative division of ROmania, i remove it from the lead section and moved it to the paragraph dealing with Demographics of that administrative division, where mention of a hungarian minority Criztu 15:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC) reply

The 72-hour block is a result of repeated use of anonymous and new (i.e. sockpuppet) accounts to evade the original 24-hour block; the bloc was reset twice before it was extended to 72h. The block evasion includes repeating the tendentious edit which got him blocked in the first place, as well as some pretty blatant trolling. I don't think there is likely to be much support for reducing the block. Just zis Guy you know? 22:03, 6 August 2006 (UTC) reply

I understand Tchadienne's many good edits, and have no issue with those. However, sockpuppeting to evade the block is specifically against policy, and we shouldn't just ignore it by letting the block lapse. When Tchadienne actually stops evading the block (without us having to range block his/her entire ISP), I'll be happy to consider undoing the block. Until then, I think a cooldown is necessary. Ral315 ( talk) 02:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Let me put it this way: I have no problem with having Tchadienne's block removed (or reduced). However, since I didn't place the range block personally, I'd prefer you go to JzG and advocate for the removal of the range block as well as the block on Tchadienne. I'll put in my two cents on his talk page as well. Ral315 ( talk) 17:13, 7 August 2006 (UTC) reply

88.218.47.184 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) We don't normally block an IP indefinitely. At the very least, you could "block anon only". No reply needed, just pointing this out. Cheers. -- kingboyk 14:43, 7 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux, thanks again for helping out. Actually, Mywayyy (under the .47.184 IP) was just engaged in what might become a halfwayyy reasonable discussion about how to overcome this silly situation, so now you semiprotected the articles you might actually unblock the IP so we can continue there. Thanks! Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:49, 7 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Apart from greek island articles, other articles have also suffered similar attacks: Trabzon, Malatya, Izmir (just to list some of them...). i think that semiprotection for these articles is also required... -- Hectorian 14:56, 7 August 2006 (UTC) reply

As a follow up and for your interest, I would guess that User:88.218.47.184 is the same as 88.224.7.113 ( talk · contribs). I think that trigger-happy user might need to be familiarised with certain procedures (if only they adopted a proper username), otherwise we may find our selves runnin round every city in the east Mediterranean to rvt his/her enthusiasm. Politis 15:02, 7 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Hm, looks more like his mirror-image. But you're certainly right about running round every city in the east Mediterranean. Not that I would mind doing that in actual practice if WP would cover my travelling costs... :-) We should get a centralised discussion and then a final strawpoll some time, to settle this stupid thing once and for all. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Unfortunately I can't act as I would with Mywayyy's socks, as he isn't a sock and has only just started; but I'll keep an eye on the articles in question.-- Aldux 15:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Settle this thing once and for all? Well, everything is possible, though it might be quicker to walk round the east Med than finalize some issues... :-) Politis 15:20, 7 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Seems like about four years is the historical benchmark :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC) reply

What i meant with my previous comment is that during the past 2 days, various new registered users ( User:Mehter, User:Zeytin, User:Manicotti) and even more IPs are vandalizing articles like Trabzon and Izmir. ...and although in the case of Thasos and Kalymnos the articles were immediately reverted and semiprotected, the admins are surprisingly missing from Malatya, Conflict in south-eastern Turkey, Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922), Ottoman Empire, etc. by checking the contributions, noone should doubt that they are sockpuppets of (probably) banned users. comments like this one [32] are personal attacks and nothing more. i did my best to rv the anon in the greek islands' articles, and i am in danger of violating the WP:3RR, although i do nothing more than reverting vandalism. if i do the same in the articles of turkey's cities, will i get blocked? so far only User:Alex Bakharev has protected one article... either the admins will take the actions required, or everytime the greek name is removed from a turkish city, i will remove the turkish name from a greek island (hope that noone will be hypocritic enough to make any comment about it...). PS: this comment is not against Aldux (since he seems to had been offline during that time), but i had to talk about it to an admin... -- Hectorian 15:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC) reply

You're right, those three editors look like they need to be watched. Did you notice Manicotti's edit you pointed out had a strange technical error omitting all the Unicode characters? Either that person is using a very very out-of-date browser, or it's a sign of an open proxy? Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:45, 7 August 2006 (UTC) reply

I did notice that, but i have no idea what that may be... btw, i left him/her a notice [33]. when i said that i see nothing more than question marks on the page [34] he/she suddenly stopped reverting (or maybe this happened cause of somethi ng else, who knows...). the point is that i still see those articles not semiprotected. anyway, i will be watching, hoping that they will be, when the vandals come back... -- Hectorian 16:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC) reply

(edit conflict)The reason is very simple: it's extremely simple to detect Mywayyy, as all his IP's use 88.218.xxxx. Don't think that I revert and semiprotect out a love for Turkish names; if it was for me, Turkish mame should be in the lead only in Western Thrace, Rhodes and Kos, as only there can you find Turks, and I have difficulties understanding why we put all these Turkish mames, except for some sort of diplomatic reciprocity. You say they are socks of banned users; but I can't use my admin powers on simple suspects, and I have very little knowledge of editors active in Turkey related articles, so I can't use the tags I use for Mywayyy, i.e.socks of banned users. If you can identify a sock and the sockpuppetter with certainty, that's another story, I'll be happy to act. I'm read to help you as a simple editor, as I said, especially for keeping Greek names; for this you can always ask my help. As for being offline, if I had been online it wouldn't have changed much, because I'll tell you a secret ;-), I don't have any Turkey-related articles on my watchlist, only ancient anatolian ones.-- Aldux 16:10, 7 August 2006 (UTC) reply

As i said before, i am not saying anything against u. believe me, not even once i thought that u discriminated greek articles in favour of the turkish ones. as for Mywayyy i had no idea that he is so easy to be detected, but i also know that articles can be protected when they are vandalized by IPs (or just registered users), regardless if they are sockpuppets or not. thanks for your help, i am sure i will need it;). Ciao -- Hectorian 16:27, 7 August 2006 (UTC) reply

That IP is based in Ankara (this is no insinuation against our learned Turkish contributors, we all have our share of unhelpfull editors). But how can you tell the IP of a user who has a name, i.e. how can you tell that Mywayyy's IP is 88.218 etc...? (ps. should'nt that be Myyywaaay; what would Sinatra make of it :-?) Politis 16:25, 7 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Oh, that's an easy one; Mywayyy's has often said, while entering with 88.218.xxxxx accounts, that he was Mywayyy, as is the case with 88.218.47.184 ( talk · contribs); and obviously there's the contribution pattern, with his obsession against Turkish names. I also believe that the link between Mywayyy and 88.218.xxxx has been certified by checkuser. More important, until now, he has ALWAYS used for his IP's only 88.218.xxxx. This makes much easier identifying then, say, Bonaparte.-- Aldux 16:39, 7 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Aldux, this is the message that I wrote about the city names to admin Bastique - "if Khoikhoi wants to display the former names of the cities, he should do it in the history section. When he places it in the introduction section, it makes a messy look. In addition, he displays the modern day Greek name in the introduction section which would not be appropriate. Because, if we display all of the foreign names (French, Italian, Korean, etc.), can you imagine how the introduction will look like :D So, in case of displaying foreign names of the cities, it would be more appropriate to create new pages. And, put the link to it in the 'See also' section." - Aldux, the users Khoikhoi, Hectorian and their gang are Anti-Turkish. They have updated the Turkish pages with misleading, pseudo information (This is not related with the city names issue, but wanted to give heads-up). And, when another user comes to the page, corrects the information with NPOV or asks for reference, the edit war breaks up. And, they find an admin to protect the page and blame the other with vandalization. As Jimmy Wales stated in one of his emails, if a reference is not provided for the displayed information on a request, it should be removed aggressively. Jimmy's email So..let's get back to the city names issue. I am sorry, but you are the fooled one in this case. They played you a little game. Before you, they asked Bastique to get it protected. It is not protected and they came to you. Ding Ding Ding, you are the winner! ;) Btw, do not ask me to discuss with these Anti-Turkish people. There is no way to reach a common point with haters. The best solution for this issue will be to provide the above solution that I wrote to Bastique. Thanks. -- Zeytin 02:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC) reply

I agree I wont revert again unless a dispute resolution procedure starts. From my stance, I ll stick to whatever solution is finally presented. That is democracy after all. This should start immediately, let me know please. I believe this process should involve all the Greek islands of Eastern Aegean where this phenomenon is observed plus some cities such as Alexandroupoli, Serres, Kilkis etc. I would like to add a comment to Aldux. I dont think its proper, especially from an Admin to say things such as: 'Mywayyy should remain blocked cause he hasnt done a decent edit in his wikipedian life'. You should know better Aldux. And if you dont know let me tell you that i ve done edits (not so many by your standards but at least some..) regarding various topics and especially aviation topics since im an aerospace engineer and aviation is like my second nature.Mywayyy 88.218.47.184 11:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Okay, as I promised I'd advocate a lifting of his ban if he responded positively, I think we ought to give him a chance, and use the opportunity to set up a centralised discussion somewhere to solve the Greek and Turkish sides of the issue together. I'm also posting to FrancisTyers if you don't mind (as he first instigated the Mywayyy ban) - maybe the two of you could hammer out an arrangement, with whatever conditions on Mywayyy you see fit, and a plan to proceed for the dispute resolution? Thanks, Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC). P.S.: There's also now some parallel discussion with Francis on my talkpage. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:49, 8 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Aldux, the stuff you say about me, prove (apart from other things) that your judgement is not fair (the best word I can use). After the phrase Mywayyy should remain blocked because he hasnt contributed anything worthy in his entire wikipedian life' now you add a new shameful phase: ' considering his hate of anything related to Turkey'. Aldux, I dont know you and you certainly dont know me, but i can assure you I absolutely dont hate Turkey or any other country. If you find something bad I ve writen about Turkey show it to all of us. In the meantime maybe you should ask yourself why you hate ME so much and why you say things that are not correct and more important things you cant prove.Mywayyy 88.218.41.233 15:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC) reply

I don't hate you; I'm only considerably annoyed by all the time I have to lose keeping an eye on socks of banned users. As fo "anything worthy in his entire wikipedian life" that was too strong I recognize it, but I've been keeping an eye on you since you've been banned, and since then I haven't seen all these fantastic edits, that, I confirm, will be reverted mercilessly, because, as a veteran admin told me, the only way sockpuppetters cease vandalising is when they see all their edits reverted. The word "hate" was deliberately strong; but certainly you are biased on the issue of Greek-Turkey relations, and seem to see Turkey like Reagan saw USSR in the 1980s, i.e. "the Great Satan". But the point is you can make the most fantastic edits in the world, this doesn't count, because you cannot edit, and till know have shown no intention of respection the rules; even when you just said that, you violated them by removing Turkish names by Greek islands and editing other articles.-- Aldux 16:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Just, Aldux, have in mind that in Alexandroupoli there is no muslim minority (not to mention no turkish) at all. the minority is concentrated in Komotini and Xanthi. the only reasons to have the turkish name in the first line are historical and the proximity to turkey. Remember this, please, when the discussion for the whole issue will begin... Ciao -- Hectorian 14:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC) reply

U are right, muslims form about 7% of Evros Prefecture, and although i know that they live in villages northern of Alexandroupoli, i won't revert the article about the capital. the only valid reasons i see for the inclusion of the turkish name of the city are the 2 that i mentioned above. we'll see what the outcome of the discussion about it will be. for the moment, under Francis permission [35], i will rename and expand this: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Islands in the Eastern Aegean). -- Hectorian 15:07, 8 August 2006 (UTC) reply

His actions on my talkpage are blockable offenses any way you slice it. Tchadienne 22:28, 8 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Unprotect my talkpage. Tchadienne 23:48, 8 August 2006 (UTC) reply

How am I supposed to archive my talkpage when it's protected? Blocking him is not necessary but he has no right to protect my page, alter my comments, or delete the comments of other users as his last 4 edits do. This is harassment. I expect you to take the most minimal of action. He had no right to block me in the first place. Tchadienne 00:03, 9 August 2006 (UTC) reply

OK, i did not know that it is a controversial topic (i've always known that he was born the night of the destruction of the Temple of Artemis). I did not not know that it was u who had reverted it when i firstly added it... otherwise i would had been more curious to at least ask u why. feel free to revert my edits. btw, who knows? maybe his tomb will be discovered some day, and this, along with more enigmas will be solved! Ciao and thanks for the info;-) -- Hectorian 16:38, 9 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Are you online right now? — Khoikhoi 02:09, 10 August 2006 (UTC) reply

No, nothing right now. I'll let you know when I need help. — Khoikhoi 01:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC) reply

It looks like you tried to file a checkuser case but you never created the subpage. Do you need some help? Thatcher131 (talk) 23:57, 10 August 2006 (UTC) reply

You are right in general, but for your reference, thats not always the case: Wikipedia:OR#Synthesis_of_published_material_serving_to_advance_a_position.   /FunkyFly.talk_  21:14, 14 August 2006 (UTC) reply

No no, I agree with your revert, but what bothered me is that the reason you have is "because it is sourced". My point is just because something is sourced it should not necessarily stay, it has to be coherently sourced as well, as the policy says.   /FunkyFly.talk_  21:38, 14 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Deletion, do you think you could delete User:Telex/Ethnic identity in Greece along with it's talk page if possible (it's no longer needed - all info is at Minorities in Greece). If I wait for the CSD team to get down to it with that backlog, it could take weeks, and Greek nationalists will hate me if I keep it in my userpage ;-) -- Telex 12:48, 15 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Wouldn't it be better to have a different admin deal with Deucalionite? You have made substantive edits to the Arvanites page... -- Macrakis 20:58, 16 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Yeah, actually I concur with Macrakis here. No need to expose yourself to any later complaints about admin abuse. We can deal with it through a simple 3RR report if necessary, even if he should game the system in such a way as not to technically touch 3RR within 24h. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:29, 16 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Re. your question to Macrakis, apparently the blocking policy says that "sysops must not block editors with whom they are currently engaged in a content dispute". Whether that counts for cases where you've only previously reverted in order to stop disruption seems a bit unclear, I've seen it interpreted that way, but I've also seen some of the rouger admins get away with blocking nevertheless. Anyway, I've now done a regular 3RR report - actually he had broken the rule already. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:25, 16 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Just two requests: first, could you have a look at Talk:Arvanitic language#Requested move - there's been very little response, but if nobody objects within another day or two, maybe you could help us with the move? (Desired target has an edit history, otherwise I'd just be bold). Second, what shall we do about the Greek/Turkish names discussion? The discussion has died down, but no very clear consensus has yet been formulated. Maybe we should get someone to try and synthesise a proposal from the discussion and put it to a final straw-poll? I'm afraid I haven't got too much time myself right these days. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:36, 17 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Okay, thanks, if you want to do the move I'll take care of the double redirects. As for the discussion, I'll try and see about it later. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:09, 17 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks! I've adapted the text accordingly and marked the poll as closed too. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:35, 17 August 2006 (UTC) reply

P.S. Ooops! I notice the talk page is still at Talk:Arvanitic language. Shouldn't that be moved too? Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:37, 17 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Can you please erase the redirect Gotse Delchev so that Goce Delchev can be moved to it. Gotse Delchev seems to be the right transliteration according to Britannica: [36]. Also see Romanization of Bulgarian. Thanks.   /FunkyFly.talk_  20:51, 17 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Check out those searches: Goce vs Gotse. Just about the same, even if you dont eliminate wikipedia results. Is it because Gotse tends to bring more Bulgarian websites and Goce - Republican?   /FunkyFly.talk_  21:38, 17 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Same thing for google scholar: [37], [38]   /FunkyFly.talk_  21:44, 17 August 2006 (UTC) reply

What I meant with "just about the same" is that the results dont change even if you include wikipedia mentions. Gotse is about 2.5 times more popular than Goce. Straw poll it shall be then.   /FunkyFly.talk_  23:33, 17 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux. In a response to your message:
QUOTE: Comments like yours violate two fundamental principles of WP, that is WP:CIV and WP:NPA. You must understand this isn't a forum, and strict rules of civility must govern discussions

RE: I'm aware of that and I do apologize, but I really wonder why you don't point that out to these guys for example: Talk:Republic_of_Macedonia/Related_disputes. doesn't look much as an 'academic debate' to me, but rather as a drunk party (most of it). So don't blame me, as a naive rookie I 'learn' from what I see.... I thought that first of all those 'veteran' members are supposed to obey the rules and to be sort of role-model for the newcomers such as myself, right?!

QUOTE: Find good, reliable sources, possibly in English or French, if you wan't to be considered. As for giving importance to the positions of the Macedonians, do it; I've read that Hristo Tatarchev also wrote memoirs, it could be a useful source. And it's only an example.

RE:

1. I do agree with this, but first of all I suppose you have to 'practise what you preach'. Judging by some of your recent changes to the Greek Struggle for Macedonia by putting back some of the stuff that I removed as unveryfied, you haven't provided sources to justify your changes neither (for example: you still stick to the unveryfied claims that those greek armed groups 'fought the Turkish army', which the ideological 'father' of that greek struggle for macedonia germanos Karavangelis himself denies in his own book telling openly how well they've collaborated :)ok there were two accidental irrelevant skirmishes between them with 1-2 dead but the struggle itself was as i wrote primarily against VMRO, which was the only force completely dedicated to fight the ottoman authorities at that time (I mean Ilinden Uprising, The Krushevo republic, the bomb attacks in Thessaloniki and so on and so on,what more would one want? Even Karavangelis himself admits that VMRO were 'masters on the terrain' in his beginnings in Macedonia). You don't provide any record of any significant battle, operation, diversion etc. of the greek forces against the ottoman authorities in THAT particular conflict (except when Turks shot Pavlos melas by mistake being intentionally misinformed that he is Mitre the Vlah from Konomladi..well, if that can be called "struggle against the Ottomans")

2. Now this is quite questionable: First, what is actually a "good" and "reliable" source? In problematic case with topics such as Macedonia, where there is a pro-greek and pro-macedonian (fyrom) POV, do you really think that quoting lets say a british source will neceserily keep the article unbiased, because a third-party "neutral observer" was cited?

Also should all non-english or non-french sources be disregarded? Wikipedia says: QUOTE: However, do give references in other languages where appropriate. If quoting from a different language source, an English translation should be given with the original-language quote beside it.. BTW, in accordance to these rules, I have suggested some books and stuff as a veryfible source on the subject: HERE
But now another problem, some members have doubts whether it is reliable obviously because among other things the books are published in Skopje and thus there's a concern that the book may be biased. You can see the posted quote from a review of that book published on a Greek website. Why should sources published in Skopje always be dubious and questioned just because they r not in accordance with the greek pov and why should a review on some greek website be a good enough reason for suspicion? However, I also received questions concerning the academic credibility of the author, the sources used in the book which is of course OK, but scepticism towards the reliability of the book based on nationalistic prejudice and probably biased reviews? At the same time, the tourist map that i suggested as a source and which is published in Greece was not questioned :) Double standards?
Also,related to this subject, you mentioned Tatarchev from VMRO for example, actually I have the Memoirs of many of the VMRO leaders incl. him and I would gladly cite them, but all of them are published in Republic of Macedonia and not in english and thus their reliability may be again automatically questioned by the pro-greek and pro-bulgarian members.
For all these reasons in the particular case of my additions in the article Greek Struggle for Macedonia I've intentionally referenced a greek source with it's original greek title so I wouldn't be attacked by the pro-greek biased members for 'spreading "Skopjan propagandha". Cheers.-- Vbb-sk-mk 05:46, 18 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi, am I right in thinking that this HarHar ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is another Faethon sock? Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:31, 20 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Weird case, isn't it. Do you know the earlier history? I've seen some incarnations of the guy making pretty good edits at times. Why were they banned in the first place? Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:11, 20 August 2006 (UTC) reply

It seems you removed too much information from the lead section of Bulgaria — you should have left the year 681. My {{fact}} was about whether it is the oldest in Europe. Any arguments against putting 681 there? As far as I know, that year is supported by most historians. -- Cameltrader 14:03, 21 August 2006 (UTC) reply

OK, at first I didn't notice that 681 was in the "History" section below (better worded there), so no information was lost. -- Cameltrader 15:00, 21 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Hey, why do you keep vandalizing the history section of Bulgaria?!

Let me think: maybe because you are blatantly pov-pushing, violating two fundamental wikipolicies, WP:NPOV and WP:V? Stop violating these policies, and I won't have to revert your edits.-- Aldux 10:46, 26 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Ok, I hope you are happy now :) But please don't use the sourcing requirements to object against anything you don't like. Sources are not required for widely accepted general facts. Asking for sources for every statement shows really bad discussion culture.

Hello, I see that you've made some edits on Italian history articles, and I'm currently starting an Italian History task force (no page yet) at the Military History WikiProject. We need five or so editors to pledge support before we can actually begin, and I was hoping you could join. The project may or may not include Roman history, post your opinion on this topic at the military history talk page, (link straight to it below), and won't necessarily focus on "military" history specifically, but will likely have to pick articles that have some relation to some war, for instance we could edit Giuseppe Garibaldi but it'd be a little harder to really collaborate on one like Giuseppe Mazzini. Anyways, if you have any questions post them on my talk page, or if you're ready to sign your support of the upcoming project, do so at the military history talk page. Thank you for any help or comments.- KingPenguin 00:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC) Ok, I hope you are happy now :) reply

Could you semi-protect Template:EU countries and candidates? Bonaparte keeps editing it, thanks. :) — Khoikhoi 10:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Grazie, I didn't know you were online. — Khoikhoi 10:17, 23 August 2006 (UTC) reply

BTW, there's a bit of a content dispute at Satu Mare and Oradea. Anonimu just broke the 3RR, but wasn't warned and therefore it doesn't count. Perhaps you could fully protect the pages? — Khoikhoi 10:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Also it appears Bonaparte has decided to join in on the fun... — Khoikhoi 10:23, 23 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks a lot, that helped. — Khoikhoi 10:34, 23 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Ha! I am so fed up with all those Italian tourists here, that I decided to greed you in Greek for a change! I know you are one of the greatest contributors of Macedon. The map included there, along with the adjacent text, could justify the first clause that needs citation in Macedonia (terminology)#In history. I saw the books of Borza and Hammond, but have no access to them. Can you please add the citation? Efharisto! :-) :NikoSilver: 14:29, 24 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Grazie (ok, ok, nobody can ever get fed up with Italian, anyway!) :-) :NikoSilver: 15:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Grazie per il Barnstar. Sei molto generoso. Mi pare che non merito tutte quelle medaglie. Se avevo assegnato medaglie rispettive al tuo lavoro, la tua pagina sarrebe troppo lunga per WP! Συγχαρητήρια! :NikoSilver: 20:03, 27 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Ciao again. Do you have by any chance any reference for the Ancient Macedonians' height? I'm sure I've heard it before that they were tall. Also, since I know you contributed to the etymology section in the region article, could you also cite the unatested 'bahuvrili' hypothesis please? :NikoSilver: 08:59, 29 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Aldux, you may have already spent more time dealing with this than you wish, but I initiated a request for investigation into User:Cretanpride's editing a couple of days ago. No action has yet been taken. I think you're allowed to add your own comment if you wish. In addition to being a jerk, our sockpuppeteer is violating a clear consensus of editors in his edits, so admin action is definitely warranted. --Akhilleus ( talk) 02:33, 25 August 2006 (UTC) reply

User:Ellinas might not be a sock, but he meets the definition of a meatpuppet. Personally, as long as he behaves himself, I'm willing to have him stay; but it does look like he's already in violation of policy. --Akhilleus ( talk) 16:28, 25 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the heads-up about Cretanpride and his socks, Aldux. I feel pretty abashed that I was fooled, but I suppose you're right that the article benefited. Do you think that 48 hours is a sufficient block for Cretanpride? I'd be inclined to block him for longer, but maybe that's just my bruised ego talking. I don't want to do it myself, since I've now become involved in editing the article. What do you think would be the best forum to get a broader discussion of this — AN/I or some page dealing specifically with sockpuppeteers? Sometimes it seems like Wikipedia's bureaucracy is growing faster than I can keep track of it. — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 20:04, 28 August 2006 (UTC) reply

I'm not sure whether I trust my own judgment after being duped by Cretanpride, so I won't alter the block either. I do think it would be a good idea to get an outside admin's perspective on this, so I think I'll put something up at AN/I (unless you can think of a more appropriate place). — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 22:23, 28 August 2006 (UTC) reply

I've put a notice up at WP:AN/I#User:Cretanpride and Homosexuality in ancient Greece, asking for an outside view from another admin. — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 22:56, 28 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux. Shall i rise some concerns on what is going on in that template? And perhaps about the article Ottoman Greece? I doubt if there is anyone who could say that Greece was not invaded and not occupied by the Ottomans... There are other examples as well. e.g. in History of Iraq u can see this along with this one. In History of Syria u can see this. I do not think it is historical to present it as if Greece was just an incorporated part of the Ottoman empire. since it was independent before (in the sense of the Byzantine Empire) and is independent after (in the sense Modern Greece), meanwhile it was occupied, right? -- Hectorian 14:56, 27 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Hello :)

You may remember me, I'm the guy that asked you about the milestones template. I have another question. I'm sure this is all explained on some page on Wikipedia, but I can't seem to find it. What's the difference between a user and an administrator? Can anyone become an administrator? If so, what is the criteria for becoming an administrator, and who makes the decision? If you could provide me a link to where all of this is explained, or just give me a short explination yourself, I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance,

-- GOD OF JUSTICE 21:41, 27 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Since I cannot log in I am obligated to write anonymously. There is a difference between using the same computer and being the same user. Cretanpride's IP addresses were blocked so he used my computer. We are not the same user. You should have been able to notice that, all the other users seem to have. Thanks.

Hi. Charmed. I vote for Getica. It is short, simple, and known by everyone interested. The others are good too. I don't have to say, but I will, redirects from all possible variations make life easier on the Wikipedia researcher. Later. Dave 11:21, 29 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Write. There might be a few obscure Getica's around and I bet there is a modern rock band or some other modern use of the title. Ah yes, I do a search under Google and I find Getica Software, Getica Tour Guides, and who knows what I else there is to find. So, maybe Getica (Jordanes) would be the best. What do you think? Dave 00:55, 31 August 2006 (UTC) reply

I left the half a million people mention intact. It was already in the article. Instead removing it, you may consider adding {{fact}} in case the person who originally added this can comply. Regards, E Asterion ^{u talking to me?} 20:29, 29 August 2006 (UTC) reply

According to FEDROM – Federaţia Asociaţiilor Româneşti din Spania, the number of Romanians living in Spain is around 500,000 people. This tags well with the 100,000 people increase during year 2004 [39], when you consider that the quoted 312,099 figure was for mid/late 2005. Your thoughts? E Asterion ^{u talking to me?} 21:07, 30 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Sorry Asterion for awnsering so late. Personally I'd oppose putting the FEDOM number in the box, because it is a partisan source (in the most obvious sense of the world). Also, when we have official data, the rule observed in the boxs is to almost always put only that; while the sourced claims should be elsewhere in the article, probably in a Romanian diaspora section. To repeat myself in the box census and other official data, but partisan sources can be mentioned as pov's. When there are no census obviously, the box has to be filled with what can found; possibly independent esteems.-- Aldux 21:36, 30 August 2006 (UTC) reply

No problem. I understand. I added the FEDOM figures as a footnote as for the USA entry, leaving only the 2006 padrón (local municipality census) numbers in the infobox. I hope this is OK, if not revert or edit out. Off to bed now. Cheers, E Asterion ^{u talking to me?} 21:39, 30 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Aug 2006–Oct 2006 Information

...I left you a couple of messages above in the #Gia sou! section... :NikoSilver: 21:05, 29 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks Al. I think I've found something. I'll post it there. Please comment. :NikoSilver: 20:42, 30 August 2006 (UTC) reply

Hey man, I'm keeping an eye on that page, certainly there is some stuff that is clearly nonsense, but I'm at least impressed that it has "Citation needed!" next to it. It says it is a work in progress (isn't everything!) so I'll leave it for a couple of days then take another look. The principle problem is that he seems to be swaying over to representing the "Bulgarian view" as fact in some cases. Of course this can be fixed. Thanks for the heads up - FrancisTyers · 23:04, 30 August 2006 (UTC) reply

If Cretanpride is still using sockpuppets, I'd say a block of a week or even longer would be entirely appropriate. And if he tries to evade that block with more sockpuppets, I think it would be appropriate to lengthen the block (and, obviously, block any sockpuppet accounts or IPs indefinitely).

Just because I want to remain civil to him doesn't mean that I'd excuse further violations of policy on his part. — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 13:28, 31 August 2006 (UTC) reply

And it turns out that he was using another sockpuppet. I've blocked him for a month, and put a note up at AN/I to allow anyone to comment in case they think it's excessive or based on a conflict of interest. — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 04:11, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply

[40]LOOOOL;)... apparently u are right! -- Hectorian 02:10, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi, do you, by any chance, "claim descent from the Ancient Romans"? If yes, follow this link to find out you were wrong... -- Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:24, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Really, in Tuscany we generally claim descent from the Etruscans... ;-)-- Aldux 13:37, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi, Aldux. You're very welcome. I just completed the translation, and would be grateful for your input. Nice to see how quickly the work was appreciated. I stupidly undertook the translation without noticing the sheer length of fr:Hippias mineur -- so it took much more brain power & time than expected. Going out now to get some brain lubricant. Cheers! -- Storkk 18:07, 2 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks for your help in the Maurya Empire page (... and your numerous interventions on Antiquity-related pages)! It seems just quoting ancient sources and a few Western specialists of the Hellenistic world can sometimes be quite contentious :-) Best regards. PHG 16:01, 3 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Do not attempt to intimidate me. I am fully aware of wikipedia's policies and so should you: the 3RR rule does not apply to simple vandalism, i.e. sneaky vandalism. Something you are now guilty of and have participated in on account of your friend PHG. I suggest that you desist on account of you being guilty of such violations; otherwise, perhaps you should "prepare to pay the consequences (that is getting blocked)". If there is a discussion to be had, then let us discuss. I am more than willing to continue the discussion. Apparently, you are not.

As for PHG's additions, they are not to be considered on the main page of an history article for the same reasons that a eugenics theorist should not be included in a modern discussion of sociology: Accepted at one time and no longer accepted. If you accept eugenics as a legitimate theory worthy of being placed on a wikipedia sociology page, well then, we understand your motivations now.

Also, I suggest that if you want to continue to be a responsible wikipedia user and contributor, that you check your tone. Your attempts to antagonize me and other users (something you have a track record of) are uncivil, irresponsible, and are not in line with the values of wikipedia. User:Devanampriya

Hello Aldux. I don't think for one moment that your conduct towards other users has been of ill-will. I don't support the excising of the information, but can we get more info from Buddhist oriented sources or Jain sources to make it bigger. Because it does seem as though there is not much detail about Ashoka and Buddhism and Ashoka the conqueror, and the same in the Maurya Empire - at the moment there is lots of information about the Greek connection, which inherently there is nothing wrong, but it may give the impression that Ashoka was a Greek reprentative or something - it just feels a bit too oriented on his bloodline and not what he nor the Mauryans achieved. In any case it was interesting that I got Mahinda (his son, who brought Buddhism to Sri Lanka) and Moggaliputta-Tissa (his spiritual adviser) to DYK in the week leading up to the locking - could we put more stuff about Buddhism into the articles to balance it out as well as his stuff about the Kalinga conquest etc. The Greek stuff is still interesting of course and I don't see a reason to cull it unless there is POV or weaselly stuff compromising it. Anything this old, of course cannot be certain, so as long as we give both a fair hearing then it should work out OK. This could be an interesting case as I am interested in learning more about Asoka. Perhaps I can find more about his Indian activity (religion and miltary) to balance it out. Tell me what you think. Thanks, Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 06:24, 13 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux. Personally I think it should be removed, I can't see how it is useful in any way as at that stage China and India had no contact with each other and it could have comparisions with any other random empire. Apart from that it seems like original analysis and seems vague and wobbly. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 04:32, 14 September 2006 (UTC) reply

You have vandalized articles such as Alexander the Great and 1994 World Cup. Please refrain from vandalizing in the future. Such vandalism is dentrimental to the encyclopedia. Thank you. Heraklis 00:19, 4 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Another sock of User:Cretanpride? --Akhilleus ( talk) 00:30, 4 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Probably, since Aldux in any case has vandalized nothing! -- Hectorian 00:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Actually Aldux blanked out sections from both of those articles including the section on a Mount Rushmore type of mountain of Alexander, something which you Hectorian had edited on. As for this accusation against me, I trust that when the checkuser returns negative, I will deserve an apology, much like Apro Thank you all! Heraklis 00:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC) reply

I did some research, and i saw that the construction has not even started yet. so, the section about this mountain should not be there, for the additional reason that it serves as an advertisement for the company that says that will create it... Wikipedia is not a place for that company to raise money... So, Aldux did well in removing it. About checkuser and stuff, sorry but i have not followed what has happened... -- Hectorian 00:56, 4 September 2006 (UTC) reply

I bet Cretanpride you're using a different computer, and attempting to provocate me in making a check that wouldn't awnser confirmed. For this, even if it was pretty obvious that you were a sock, I waited a little, just so that you would kindly provide some other cord with which to hang yourself, which you promptly did. BTW, checkuser is not necessary in cases as obvious as this one, so I'll block you immediately. Bye bye,-- Aldux 01:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC) reply

And thanks for your words, Hectorian; I know I can always cont on your support :-) (Which doedn't mean we can't have some nice quarrels now and then ;-))-- Aldux 01:19, 4 September 2006 (UTC) reply

I'm starting to wonder what User:Heraklis' IP address would be. Would it be the same as User:Apro? At least one of Cretanpride's socks had an IP from a Greek ISP, so he seems to be able to switch between providers and perhaps do some IP spoofing. --Akhilleus ( talk) 01:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Hehe, thanks:). We may have quarrels... we can't agree in everything! However, knowing graeco-italian mentality, i'll try to avoid it:). Ciao -- Hectorian 01:28, 4 September 2006 (UTC) reply

This page was just unprotected. If Objectivee starts up again, would you please block him, perhaps for a lengthy period given his past tendency to edit contentiously? Regards, Ya ya ya ya ya ya 01:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Given my involvement in the article, certainly I won't block him, especially if his edits remain concentrated there; anyways, lets see what happens.-- Aldux 09:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC) reply

...you know the drill! :-) •NikoSilver• 10:48, 4 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Kindly give it one more look... •NikoSilver• 12:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Since you were involved in reverting edits by Asteraki in that template, I thought I should notify you that I proceeded in correcting it with the standard EU appellation. I have posted my reasoning in the respective talk, and wish this all doesn't sound childish and silly, but I can't tolerate 'putting words in EU's mouth'. Thanks for your understanding in this. •NikoSilver• 08:28, 5 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks for your recent edit in WP-ANI. I'm going out for a walk now. as the attacks on my talk page, and comments on WP_ANI are starting to get to me. However. I shall not loose my temper today so will not be banned - so I go for a walk. Thanks for your comments - it's nice when some-one one does not know says something nice. Giano | talk 14:23, 5 September 2006 (UTC) reply

I've replied on my talk page to your point, which does mot exclude you, and was not aimed at you - far from it. Ciao Giano | talk 08:36, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi, could you have a look at CRAZY SCIENTIST ( talk · contribs)? He's a likely Mywayyy reincarnation, or at least someone with a very similar agenda. Revert-warring, 3RR, personal attacks (ask me about the Greek if you have difficulties), talkpage harrassment, the full monty. Good thing is, if he really isn't Mywayyy, he claims he has a stative IP, so your blocks will stick better... :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:28, 5 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks, you're right. Honestly, I didn't even notice the account was that much older. There's also the IP which he claims is his, and which happens to be in a very similar range as Mywayyy's... Well, anyway, I've also put it up to RFCU, let's see what they say. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:13, 5 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Out of courtesy I am giving other editors tonight to add sources to back up the content on Istanbul pogrom. Tomorrow I'm going to start removing large blocks of text per WP:BLP. In addition, I will most likely be adding the NPOV tag unless drastic changes are made, as this appears to be POV OR. Regards, Ya ya ya ya ya ya 02:54, 6 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Please check here. •NikoSilver• 12:57, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply

See: [41], [42], [43], [44] and [45], [46]. This is vandalism from Egr. Or what? Please block him. LUCPOL 19:57, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Don't believe to Lucpol. I've recently given up cancelling his edits (which I had previously misinterpreted as personal attacks and trollings). He's throwing false accuses against me, I'm trying only to discuss seriously with the users involved in this question. Please try to ban Lucpol and his sockpuppets, they continue to slander my work on wiki and insert clearly biased affirmations about Rapcore, Limp Bizkit and Fred Durst. -- Egr ( talk), 9/8/2006

Don't believe to Egr. [47], [48], [49], [50] and [51], [52]. This is vandalism from Egr. LUCPOL 15:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC) reply

For the moment I won't do anything, as rapcore is protected and a double WP:RCU has been made. After the awnsers, I'll see what can be done.-- Aldux 15:20, 8 September 2006 (UTC) reply

I've blocked the obvious sock and reverted this page (LUCPOL blanked the talk section). I'll also hold off on anything until RFCU is done. alphaChimp ^(talk) 15:43, 8 September 2006 (UTC) reply

I retreat my notification, you reverted my edits - your issue. I to mean well. LUCPOL 16:06, 8 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Please Lucpol, refrain again from accusing me. That edits were not vandalism, I have misinterpreted your answers as personal attacks - in fact, I have stopped doing it. Instead of insulting me, please try to REALLY understand my edits, and to debate seriously about that articles. And remember that your personal opinions are not a good way to justify aggressive discussions and false accuses. -- Egr, 9/7/2006

Hmmmm, the place I would go is peer review. If you're unsure about that you could always go to good articles. I'm pretty sure there's nothing before that... Hope that helped. — Khoikhoi 00:30, 9 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Nice. :) Good article by the way. Ciao. — Khoikhoi 01:12, 9 September 2006 (UTC) reply

The "Republic of Macedonia" is recognized with that name in United States or in Russia. But in Europe the state is supposed to be "Former Yugoslavic Republic of Macedonia". Although you are from Europe, you dont seem to support the european POV. Why? AIUI 06:39, 9 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Sorry, but I have to correct you: Italy, Germany, France and UK all use RoM, and the media simply "Macedonia". As for Telex being my sock, if you look the edit histories, we've been often in dispute. But I would love it to be true; I would be a super-linguist freak with knowledge of Italian, English, French, Greek, Albanian, Bulgarian and Macedonian.-- Aldux 16:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC) reply

EU's decision is that this state should be called FYROM. Of course a small minority of EU states disagree, but, AIUI, they should be forced to obey to the decision of the majority, shouldnt they? Are you against the decisions made by the EU Legislature and you think that EU people (like you and me) should decide instead, are you in favor of the legistrature's decisions EXCEPT this one, or are you finnaly an advocate of Anti-Europeanism? AIUI 18:33, 9 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Um... Aldux. Out of all EU member states (this includes La Repubblica Italiana), only the government of Poland fully recognizes the name "Republic of Macedonia". -- Telex 18:50, 9 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Oops, my sock has promptly corrected me ;-) Since Italy in the CEI uses "Macedonia" instead of Former Republic ecc., I thought this was the norm, since I'd never heard an Italian politician use FYROM, nor is it ever used by Italian, French and British media (can't read German). Anyway, awnsering AIUI, FYROM, or more exactly the long form, is only used in EU-RoM relations; but in bilateral relations everybody is free to use the name they prefer; as the name used in the ONU isn't binding for the single members, so is the case of the EU. Also (but not very important), I doubt there was a vote of the Europarliament on the issue; this was probably decided by the commission, with an accord between Greece and RoM.-- Aldux 20:20, 9 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Yes, Aldux, but the EU exclussively uses the name 'FYROM' in every paper, and no EU member state (apart from Poland, which entered just 2 years ago) has formaly recognised that country as 'Macedonia'. also, have in mind that the media (Greek, Italian, French, English, German-i cannot read all those languages, but i can understand some words) usually call the USA simply as 'America', the US president simply as the 'American President', US Senate simply as the 'American Senate', a US aircraft-carrier simply as 'an american aircraft-carrier', not to mention that the people of the USA self-identify simply as 'Americans'...! However, i doubt if anyone would like to mess here in Wikipedia with all the Canadian, Brazilian, Mexican et cetera editors, by changing every reference to 'USA' into the term 'America'. In the case of FYROM, however, there has been a monopolisation of the name!... even in the cases were this state is not recognised by this term (international organizations, bileteral relations with countries who still recognise it as FYROM, etc)... Hectorian 20:34, 9 September 2006 (UTC) reply

I think it's time to unprotect Samothrace, Symi, Agathonisi, Arkoi, Fournoi Korseon, Gavdos, Gyali, and Pharmakonisi. :) — Khoikhoi 09:37, 10 September 2006 (UTC) reply

I dont understand this revert. Why did you make it?   /FunkyFly.talk_  18:32, 10 September 2006 (UTC) reply

He seems to be getting more sophisticated. I really don't understand why he couldn't wait out the 6-week block; he's actually much closer to making valid points this time. --Akhilleus ( talk) 19:17, 13 September 2006 (UTC) reply

...and the latest sock is confirmed... — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 01:22, 14 September 2006 (UTC) reply

...Like the bait? -> Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Greece#Members •NikoSilver• 21:59, 13 September 2006 (UTC) reply

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...was calling me a rat! Do I get to accuse him of personal attacks now? We are delicate, sensitive souls, us rats. Scabbers the Rat 17:02, 15 September 2006 (UTC) reply

I've been luckier - I've only been called "annoying" ;-) Unfortunately we can't ban him for WP:NPA, as he's alread been undefinitely for his sockpuppetry and lovely character. Unfortunately, we still haven't found a way to ban banned users ;-)-- Aldux 17:30, 15 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Ah, that makes it difficult, doesn't it. Speaking of which, you don't happen to have a few crumbs of that lovely Mastic sweet they make on those Greek islands, to feed a poor little rodent? Reverting vandalism and thinking of Mediterranean islands always makes me hungry. Scabbers the Rat 19:26, 15 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Thank you for participating in my RfA. Consensus to promote was reached, and I am now an administrator. I'll be using the tools cautiously at first, and everyone should feel welcome to peer over my shoulder and make sure I'm not doing anything foolish.

I really appreciated your very flattering words on the RfA; I've seen your name pop up over and over again in the Ancient Greece areas of the 'pedia, and it's very pleasing to know that I've earned the respect of a great content contributor. Tbanks again, -- Robth ^Talk 04:11, 17 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Can you please semi-protect this page? Rovoam's back. — Khoikhoi 07:00, 17 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux. I'm leaving for awhile to protest Giano being driven away from Wikipedia. Please see my talk page and share your thoughts there. Thanks, Paul August ☎ 18:02, 17 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Another sock of Cretanpride? Note this diff. --Akhilleus ( talk) 23:36, 17 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Yep. It's confirmed. Are you getting as tired of playing whack-a-mole as I am? — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 01:41, 18 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Unfortunately, I sincerely doubt that this truly is the end of the Cretanpride saga. I fully expect to see more sockpuppets popping up.

By the way, who is the editor you referred to as facing a community ban? — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 15:44, 18 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Ah. I agree that there's more unpleasantness around in general these days. I'm afraid that my own response to the current level of vitriol is to tune out of "Wikipolitics" and try to focus on the articles I care about. Unfortunately, this means that I pay less attention than I should to important pages like AN/I, just because I don't want to get sucked in to these debates. It's probably rather irresponsible of me as an administrator, but I'd rather tend my own garden than slog through an overgrown field and risk poison ivy. (How ridiculous a metaphor is that?!) — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 19:12, 18 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi - can you be sure that what you say is correct?

I was surprised that oil was not mentioned in the Darfur article, yet there does seem to be some market in the oil-search rights .... How can that be?

The section you removed onnly suggested this as a POSSIBILIITY - I suggest you reinstate it but edit it, rather than completely remove it.

(Not sure why you refer to blogs - there are links to BBC and Guardian too.)

Johnbibby 21:14, 18 September 2006 (UTC) reply

I've controlled carefully, and Galloway only speaks of oil in the region, not Darfur; and it's well known to everybody there's oil is in southern Sudan. As for the article citated in the blog, it never mentions Darfur.-- Aldux 21:46, 18 September 2006 (UTC) reply

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Hey, Aldux. I'd like your opinion on whether GreekEconomist ( talk · contribs) (formerly Μέγας Αλέξανδρος ( talk · contribs)) is Cretanpride or not. Cretanpride, of course, had previously used the sock MegasAllexandros ( talk · contribs). The GreekEconomist account hasn't edited much in Cretanpride's usual haunts — most of its edits were about Greek musicians — except for a few comments at Talk:Alexander the Great, which didn't touch on Cretanpride's homophobic obsessions. The question is how likely it is that two different Greeks from California, with the same ISP, would choose a username based on "Alexander the Great". It doesn't seem impossible to me, but Mackensen thinks it's "blazingly obvious". I've been fooled by Cretanpride before, so I don't really trust my judgement on this one. What do you think? — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 16:41, 20 September 2006 (UTC) reply

That makes sense, especially with the explanation of the range. I also see that Clearwire, the ISP used by both GreekEconomist and many of Cretan's socks, has fairly limited coverage in the United States, which makes the coincidence even more improbable. Do you want to do the honors, or shall I? — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 18:24, 20 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Ta, Aldux. I'll put the relevant tags on the talk and user pages.

By the way, what exactly do you mean by "a thorough control of the edits"? (If you'd rather not reveal the methodology in public, where Cretan can read it, feel free to email me.) — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 19:50, 20 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Ah! Well spotted. I would never have noticed those connections. On to the next round, I suppose... — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 20:37, 20 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Hey -- I've looked into this, and I actually find the evidence very unconvincing, so I unblocked GreekEconomist (see my remark on the user talk page for a thorough explanation). The Greek community (I'm not greek, but I know many of them) is very tight-knit, and I wouldn't be surprised if they settle in specific locations in large concentrations. In other words, I think all of this is explained by one coincidence: that there is another greek user in the same local area; the rest makes a lot of sense. Alexander the Great has got to be a very common choice for a handle. Mango juice ^talk 12:31, 21 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Two of our friends decided to pay us a visit today—could you please semi-protect the following pages?

• Istanbul, Thessaloniki (Mywayyy)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heaven of Transnistria (Bonaparte)

Thanks in advance. — Khoi khoi 00:59, 21 September 2006 (UTC) reply

I just uploaded another one, and got an error message. Do you know what this is?   /FunkyFly.talk_  15:13, 21 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks, Aldux! It is a great honor to be awarded an Epic Barnstar by one of the best Wikipedians in subjects related with the ancient Greece and the ancient word in general.-- Yannismarou 19:26, 21 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Hey Aldux. Thank you for supporting my recent RfA. It finished with an amazing final tally of 160/4/1. I really appreciate your support. Cheers, Sarah Ewart ( Talk) 20:51, 21 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Semiprotect?   /FunkyFly.talk_  00:43, 23 September 2006 (UTC) reply

For the moment he seems to have calmed down; but I'll keep monitoring the article for future problems.-- Aldux 14:20, 23 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Who is "he"? We're talking many IP addresses.   /FunkyFly.talk_  17:09, 23 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Well, I see three anon. edits made by two IP accounts, almost certainly the same person.-- Aldux 17:14, 23 September 2006 (UTC) reply

I give argument at the disc-site, why i put the POV-title in. And not only I do it, Mukadderat, Mitsos, IP: 87.203.224.46 and IP: 69.134.220.50 also does'nt agree. But the nationalists from greece remove it all the time. So, why do you block me now and don't block them? -- 62.178.231.146 13:36, 24 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi! Could you please move Boris Mikhailov (footballer) back to Borislav Mikhailov and delete the redirect from Boris Mikhailov (footballer)? It's just a user mistake and going through WP:RM would take too long. Thanks :) Todor → Bozhinov 11:02, 25 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks! It seems like he was also known under that name too (at least in England), so the redirect is OK after all, but we'd have to link all pages back to Borislav Mikhailov and bypass the redirect. Todor → Bozhinov 11:36, 25 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Ho visto questo e ti ringrazio. Pmanderson has no political but rather aesthetic objections, as he cleared out today. I've made one more pic for the intro and he likes it (I don't). There's an informal poll at Talk:Macedonia (terminology)#Which picture?. Kindly express your opinion. •NikoSilver• 20:48, 26 September 2006 (UTC) reply

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Thank you.-- Yannismarou 07:20, 27 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the message Aldux. I hadn't, in fact, been aware of the Naming conventions (Greek) conventions, even though I've been editing occasionally on and off for a fair while. I can't say I'm happy about them, but these things have a tendency towards immobility so there's not much point complaining; I'll follow the conventions where not using a phonetic transliteration, and alter the proposed titles.

Having said that, what do you feel about the renaming in other respects? I personally feel it's a bit silly to have, for example, a Nicanor of Macedon alongside a separate Nicanor of Macedonia, especially when there are multiple other Macedonian Nicanors as well.

Thanks also for pointing out Nicanor (Syrian general), I missed that since he wasn't on the disambig page. He corresponds to what I had marked as "Nicanor (son of Patroclus)" (= Smith i.12); I think I prefer my title because, just judging from Smith, it doesn't look like there are strong grounds for saying he was Syrian (he was sent to Judaea by Lysias of Syria, but that's not quite the same thing). Petrouchka 12:05, 27 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks again, for the extremely useful and informative feedback. I'll adopt all your suggestions (while reserving the possibility of further changes if they seem wise!); I agree that putting the stubs in the disambiguation page is the correct solution (also for ii.1). I'll correct the remaining slips in transliteration in due course.

I'm especially grateful for your pointing out that Smith's i.12 and 1.13 are better treated as the same individual; that's something I probably wouldn't have picked up on until going into his article in detail. Cheers, Petrouchka 21:18, 27 September 2006 (UTC) reply

Another note (unrelated to Nicanor this time; he's mostly taken care of, apart from stuff like templates and other conventions that I am continuing to discover haphazardly). I've just gone back and seen the reply you posted to my excessively hot-tempered moan at Talk:Eustathius of Thessalonica. For my part I'd like to apologise completely for losing my cool -- I must have been under stress at the time or something. My best side doesn't come out on Wikipedia as much as I'd like, as I often edit when I'm insomniac. Anyway, I have enormous respect for the quite breath-taking breadth and depth of work you do here and want to apologise for making your life just that little bit harder that day. I hope there aren't excessively hard feelings. Petrouchka 08:39, 5 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux, thanks for your generous comments. I'm perplexed over the mediation case you pointed me to! and surprised that the issue is between Latin and Erasmian phonology, rather than Latin and modern, which would make more sense to me. I think ... no, I think I'd rather not go there. I mostly inhabit the Classical and pre-Classical world, anyway, so ... hmm, yep. I'm a bit of a shyster when it comes to heavily disputed articles and issues, I'm afraid. Anyway, now that you've alerted me to the naming conventions policy I'll go along with that. Maybe Latin is the way to resolve all the world's issues after all, I dunno. (*throws hands up*) Petrouchka 19:43, 5 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux - thanks for the feedback, and it's good to know I can turn to you for help and advice! I have had a stab at the Mission Completion section; I hope I haven't changed any of the facts in the process. Grazie mille (that's about all the Italian I know!) EyeSerene 19:11, 29 September 2006 (UTC) reply

I'd love to make maps of Chad, it's been on my list for some time - but there's a lack of information about the regions. When last I checked, I wasn't able to find a reference map with the most recent regions, but I'll look around again. -- Golbez 19:53, 30 September 2006 (UTC) reply

That map may just be exactly what I need, lemme work on it a bit. -- Golbez 10:42, 1 October 2006 (UTC) reply

I can handle the northern 2/3 of the country just fine, but the south is way too small for me to make sense of. I can't tell what are rivers and what are borders, and since most departments are unlabelled, I can't tell which departments belong to which region. :/ -- Golbez 11:29, 1 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Don't worry, I won't stop. It will just take longer than I expected. My detective skills may yet win the day! -- Golbez 12:22, 1 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Merry Christmas. ;) I amazed even myself on figuring this out, but I'm about 90% sure that this map is correct and accurate. Maps of the departments, and a fully labelled/colored map, etc. will be coming later. (The departments may take longer though) -- Golbez 08:51, 2 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Koumra, hm... well let's figure out my process here. Mandoul has three departments, Occidental, Oriental, and Barh Sara. Barh Sara and Oriental are clear on the map, and Occidental must be west of Oriental. Moyen-Chari has three as well, Barh Koh, Grande Sido, and Lac Iro. Barh Koh and Lac Iro are clear on the map, and we know Guera and Haraze Mangueigne aren't part of it, so that establishes the eastern and northern border.

So the goal is to find the third department (Grande Sido) which must lie to the west (or south), and also find Mandoul Occidental, which must lie to the westish of Mandoul Oriental, and this seemed to be the only configuration that made sense - IF I'm reading the map correctly. It's possible one of those lines I drew followed a river, rather than a department boundary. Mandoul and Moyen-Chari correspond exactly to the old prefecture of Moyen-Chari, so we just have to figure out where the new border between the two is. I agree, it seems to be saying Koumra is in Moyen-Chari, which it's not, so ... any thoughts? Perhaps a new set of eyes will tell me if I missed a department boundary. -- Golbez 11:28, 2 October 2006 (UTC) reply

I noticed that a few dots on the French map seemed to be way off, so maybe that's the case here too. -- Golbez 01:19, 3 October 2006 (UTC) reply

So does this mean that my map is accurate enough to put online? :) -- Golbez 18:59, 3 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Aldux: As requested, I've done a copyedit on this section. Kahuzi 16:52, 3 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Dear Aldux,
I understand what you meant by deleting my stuff in the Vergina Star article, but let me remind you of the following:

1. I didn't do anything unilaterally, before adding the stuff I presented everything on the talk page (you can check it) and normally I expected to see the reactions of the other people first before adding anything. There were long discussions with user Politis, at last I think we've agreed that The Ohrid story deserves to be mentioned with a couple of sentences and 2-3 thumbnails without any nationalistic B.S. Just facts.

2. The Ohrid findings ARE related to the Vergina star. No matter if one's a "macedonian nationalist" or "greek nationalist" or Tuvalu nationalist, they all agree on one thing: Ohrid (a.k.a. Lihnidos in the antiquity) was INDEED a part of the Ancient Macedonian Empire regardless if the ancient macedonians were greeks or something else. Ohrid was Ancient Macedonian city, you will see on the talk page that even Politis who is pro-greek biased agrees with that. Finding such stuff there is not at all unussuall, there is plenty of such stuff, unfortunatelly we are a small and financially weak country so of course we cannot "sell" those things to the world so succesfully as the tourist force Greece can.

3. A 12-rayed star found in Olympias is also mentioned in the article in the very beginning of the text without any explanations. Why don't you delete it? JUSTICE FOR ALL. Its not EXACTLY the same as the well known star of Vergina (its 12 rayed).Also some Bronze Age "star" with 8 rays is mentioned in the article without any further explanations or pics or anything (?!) saying that it was found in the small town of Kratovo for which greek nationalists say it was not in the ancient macedonian kingdom, its "too north" for them. Now what? But again this "bronze age star" is left untouched in the article and it has been "sitting" there for who knows how long and curious surfers are reading about it

4. Maybe my arguments are poorly sourced, but still there is an institution behind it (after all no one mentioned that I must provide lets say an american or norwegian point of view about these findings, although that would be useful indeed). I have provided info about the institute and even contact. Ohrid is a "city of UNESCO" so it is known for archaelogy and all that, it was a part of the Ancient Macedonian knigdom so summa-summarum I dont see what is so shocking and for some even irritating that those "stars" have been found here in this country too? Its quite funny cause you see, greek nationalists say "Ohrid is ours! It was ancient macedonian, but u slavs took it!" then they say "Bitola (Monastiri) is ours! It was Heraklea Linkestis!", but when you show them the "stars" found in present day Republic of Macedonia they are suddenly "errrm..errm..well doesnt look much like the vergina star u know, the rays are hmm not long enough u know".. Well, excuse me, you said those cities were part of the kingdom so thats it. If the stars can be found in Vergina or Pella, they can be found in Ohrid too. Who knows what is hidden beneath this land, if we were a better organized country who knows how many "suns" we would find.

Anyway, I still think that the Ohrid story deserves attention. -- Vbb-sk-mk 16:49, 6 October 2006 (UTC) reply

hah, I know what is Olympia in Peloponissos and who is Olympias (its of course... Angelina Jolie). I was typoing so fast and I confused those two "suns" (the 12-rayed and the Bronze age Kratovo one) thats why I said "how they are related" or "it has been found so far away". After I saw the mess, I edited the message afterwards maybe you noticed (message history). Anyway, forget it, I applogize. I'll try to do as u suggest.

Btw you suggest me to I talk to people who are much better in these things, thats good, but then again I just wonder why no one of them except Politis reacted when I presented all my intentions beforehand on the vergina star talkpage? They could give me explanations what to do and what not to do beforehand. well nevermind now.-- Vbb-sk-mk 18:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Please ragazzo don't let Dahn again change sourced content or "rephrase" information without consensus. 20% of his edits are POV-injections in direct citations. He doesn't let a single edit go "unrephrased" and he doesn't accept anyone to touch his own edits - in fact he will edit-war until he's about to break 3RR and only then he'll consider discussing. If you noticed he reverted my edits as unsourced just because I hadn't added ref tags, ignoring the fact that he had none either. Now I've added tags on every single phrase so that he won't have an excuse on "rephrasing" their meaning. Notice his arguments in discussion, they're pure original research and personal views. Just help protect this article from rv-warring, he's the most stubborn editor I've ever had to face. Regards. Miskin 23:39, 6 October 2006 (UTC) reply

I concur, and the story goes on and on (back too). •NikoSilver• 21:27, 7 October 2006 (UTC) reply

This very serious issue requires your immediate attention: here. •NikoSilver• 21:25, 7 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Sorry 'bout that edit... I did not notice the "-B" but only the dates 1955-59. Ciao Hectorian 21:59, 10 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Kindly check the talk there ( Talk:Macedonia (terminology)#Dates) •NikoSilver• 21:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks for blocking the troll; I was about to do the same. Did you block the IP range as well? He has edited after the block, which justifies an extension. (Reply here if you prefer). Duja 06:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Please see Wikipedia:Personal_attack_intervention_noticeboard#Afrika_paprika_.28talk_.E2.80.A2_contribs.29. He also continues editing, sorting stub-categories to articles which are not stubs. -- PaxEquilibrium 15:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Oct 2006–Nov 2006 Information

There were plenty of disputes between me and user Funkyfly on the Kiro Gligorov article (plz check version history and the discussion) but no one ever came to help us to solve them. The dispute turned into reverting of the article over and over which of course is going nowhere. Knowing that you are sort of veteran here, i hope you can check this problem out, please. If you could intervene on the Vergina Star article, Im sure you can intervene here as well (in the name of objectivity right?).

Funkyfly's side:
He/She (sorry I dont know) claims that Kiro Gligorov declared Bulgarian ethnicity in Sofia in 1942. And not only that but it seems to me personally (correct me if Im wrong) that this wikipedia user is trying to turn the whole point of this living person biographical article into "KIRO GLIGOROV IS BULGARIAN?", like it is the most important subject in the whole story. All the time he/she insists on those statements of his/hers.
To supoort such claims, that user provides links to some document scans without offering much explanations about them. And I must note, unfortunatelly user Funkyfly behaves in a quite arrogant way.

My side: I noticed those scans are published on the official website of the bulgarian nationalist political party VMRO-BND, section for the city of Plovdiv (note: this political party is quite "anti-Gligorov"). Im not saying that such documents should be always ignored! if they are published by some political party, that doesn't mean they are fake by default. Or maybe they ARE fake? We simply dont know. Seeing that the discussion goes nowhere I insisted that at least a detailed explanation of those links should be added cause the readers deserve to know what they're clicking (and they are clicking a link to a website of a political party). Contrary to him/her, for those ceratin links that I added, I also added all the possible details to help the readers (according to Wikipedia rules: detailed explanation of external links is required) so they would know what they're clicking.
Also, user Funkyfly insists that the following sentence should remain untouched, quote: During his studies in the University of Sofia in 1941, and when applying for a position as a lawyer in 1942, Kiro Gligorov declared Bulgarian ethnicity.(end of quote). No source, no citation, no footnote, absolutely nothing is provided, except those questinable scans which are actually not connected to this sentence in any way (footnote, reference or something). The sentence just stays "naked" like it is a 100% absolute truth :)
When I asked for a citation for this problematic statement, user Funkyfly removed the "citation needed" note that i left, without even trying to explain anything. If you can check at the history of the article, he/she never bothers to explain his/her changes in a normal manner.

Also I have pointed out that Gligorov was a member of the Antifascist Assembly of the National Liberation of Macedonia ( ASNOM) in 1944 (so just two years after he "declares as Bulgarian" he suddenly fights those same Bulgarians to form a Macedonian state?!) and he was also a high ranking official during Tito's Yugoslavia (Yugoslavia recognized a separate Macedonian nation), so Gligorov is what the bulgarian nationalist can clearly label as an adherent of the macedonism which is completely contrary to the pro-Bulgarian views! Also I have pointed out that Bulgaria as Hitler's ally was not a democratic country with full respect of national rights, so logically, when Gligorov was filling those forms (the scanned documents) he certainly couldnt state any other nationality except Bulgarian of course :) Many fascist regimes during WWII imposed various measures for ethnic homogenization, assimilation etc. on the freshly occupied territories. I dont see why Bulgaria should be treated as an exception. Before the WWII Gligorov also use to have a serbian name like everybody else in what is today Republic of Macedonia, which was then a part of the serbian dominated Kingdom of Yugoslaviauntil 1941. But that certainly doesnt mean he was Serbian too, of course.

Please let me know about your opinion. Thank you. -- Vbb-sk-mk 18:17, 11 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Thank you very much for your help, Aldux, I really apprecciatte it. Now, I really dont want to bother you again, its just i want to point out that meanwhile the same user mentioned above has continued his/her misbehaviour which can be clearly noticed in another article related to Kiro Gligorov and thats ASNOM. For me as an ordinary surfer, his/her aim to take control over every article related to Republic of Macedonia is quite obvious, plz correct me if Im too paranoid. Those same statements that you removed like "Kiro Gligorov declared Bulgarian etnhnicity" and so on, are just copied and pasted in the article about ASNOM too. And again, there are no sources, no footnotes and quite poor explanations.(check the history page also plz). The situation is similar with the article about Lazar Koliševski, but thats another story. Theres no way for me to solve those problems as I do not present any authority here and that user mentioned above is treating everything as his/her private property. On the other hand I do not wish to torture u with these balkanian troubles, im sure u have more important things in life. this was just an information on how articles related to RoM are constantly being treated. Thank you again for ur kind attention.-- Vbb-sk-mk 03:26, 12 October 2006 (UTC) reply

I guess some Republicans would rather see the history of their greatest leaders "untainted" by their obvious cooperation with the Bulgarian "occupiers".   /FunkyFly.talk_  14:43, 12 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Funkfly, as you see Im trying to avoid further quarells and hostilities. Reverting the article over and over, "war of ego's" or insulting each other's nation is definetly not a solution. Im just asking for a sort of arbitration by a respected and experienced user from a "neutral country"(in this case it's Italy). As you can see I also presented the POV of the both sides in this dispute. As I said, those documents MAY be 100% true, but we are simply far from being 100% sure yet, so right now that's highly questionable. And speaking of your behaviour, its quite obvious.
For Aldux: if I said or did anything wrong Im sure you will tell me. Thank you in advance. -- Vbb-sk-mk 16:55, 12 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Bla bla blah. 100% sure but still highly questionable. Make up your mind.   /FunkyFly.talk_  17:44, 12 October 2006 (UTC) reply

For all this time, Afrika has been ignoring your block. No check-user is needed since the edits clearly show it's him and he self-identifies as such. -- PaxEquilibrium 18:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Yes. I actually came here to report the same thing. The specific edit Pax is talking about that demonstrates the behavior is this [53]. -- Kuzaar^{- T- C-} 19:44, 11 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Would you like to take a look at this article? Thanks, Bomac 18:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux, as you suggested, I'm trying to edit this article so it's better sourced; perhaps you'd like to see how it's going? As I suspected, one of our editors doesn't like my changes. --Akhilleus ( talk) 00:13, 13 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Ciao, Aldux. I would appreciate your opinion on this kerfuffle. As far as I am concerned, je m'en fous whether AtG is considered this or that. The issue is whether a "masticabibbia" contingent is steering the the article to its own ends. I found particularly revealing an edit comment by one of the group, "The Discussion Does not Warrant This Category given the evidence is not there; if that's the case we might as well place sexual oriented categories in every ancient Greek biography" not only because it is patently false, as have been most of their arguments, but because it offers a glimpse of where this is headed - the removal or blocking of sexual categories from a culture renowned for its homophile interests. It seems to me both dangerous and unwise to cave in to this pressure, since history has shown all too well that appeasement does not work. Haiduc 16:12, 13 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux, this may interest you. The user has a grand total of 3 edits at this point. --Akhilleus ( talk) 00:22, 14 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Yep, working on a RFCU right now. --Akhilleus ( talk) 00:47, 14 October 2006 (UTC) reply

I already showed you the Iranica link that clearly states that those numbers are worthless. Khosrow II 00:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Iranica is one source, not The Truth™; its position should be stated, but you can't pretend to remove the primary sources on the battle numbers only because you don't like them. I haven't heard of the wikipolicy WP:CENSURE; so they shall remain. Obviously, you can use reliable sources that believe those numbers are untrustworthy, that explain their point.-- Aldux 00:40, 13 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Hey Aldux, I think Mywayyy might be using a meatpuppet or something, but can you please semi-protect OTE and Aegean Sea? I'm sick and tired of reverting him. Thanks. — Khoi khoi 06:30, 13 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Please? :-) — Khoi khoi 02:20, 19 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks - also Thessaloniki. — Khoi khoi 22:12, 19 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux, I was going to leave Akhilleus a message regarding the whole Alexander debate and saw your question about me being mistaken for Cretanpride again. No, I am not Cretanpride, they did have a check done on me on Akhilleus request. [54] [55] I apologize for the confusion. Regards. Apro 13 October 2006

PS: I didn't reply nor participate on any of that user James request. If for some reason my replys are coming of Cretanpridish like, that was not my intentions. If yes then I apologize for that. Apro 13 October 2006

Oh, sorry, you guys were talking about that other guy. Never mind. I apologize I thought it was about me. Regards. :) Apro 13 October 2006

I listed historical people whose name has been used and are used as synonymous with betrayal and collaboration with the enemy. Ephialtes seems to be one in Greece, more internationally Brytys and Judas and Quisling. In United States everyone knows what is ment by calling someone Benedict Arnold as is the casse with Kuusinen in my home country. Brutus and Judas lived 500 years later than Ephialtes. There is no periodical connection there and it is not even needed since each time period and culture has it's own historical example of the basic character of a traitor. Ephialtes is the mythical traitor of the anticent Greek history and Brutus is the one for Imperial Rome, Judas for Christianity, Quisling for Norway and much of Western Europe under Nazis adn Kuusinen for Finns who fought the Soviets. In fact there should be a category for achtypes like traitors in history. Please, don't revert the changes. Spespatriae 14:32, 15 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Benedict Arnold is probably the most natural eponym for treason in American English. Septentrionalis 00:21, 18 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Hope you're online. Kindly check if you can semi-protect Genocide denial. An anon persistently removes the Armenian Genocide. I'll rv for now, but can't say if the version will stay. Thanks. •NikoSilver• 20:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC) reply

User:Clevelander beat me to it. Please check about semi-protection. •NikoSilver• 20:11, 16 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Hello, I noticed that you have just created {{ CHA-Summer-Olympics}} and are editing specific "Chad at the Summer Olympics" pages. Before you get much further, I request that you look at the new infobox style for the "Nation at the Olympics" pages (e.g. {{ Infobox Olympics Chad}}, and Chad at the 1968 Summer Olympics) and use those instead. Thanks. Andrwsc 21:41, 18 October 2006 (UTC) reply

...check your e-mail before you log in? •NikoSilver• 21:49, 18 October 2006 (UTC) reply

same :-) •NikoSilver• 22:44, 18 October 2006 (UTC) reply

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Thank you.-- Yannismarou 14:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC) reply

I edited the article to best fit other cases. The article is not neutrual and shows only one side of a complex story

This is off a Discovery Channel Site

http://www.discoverychannelasia.com/ontv_egyptweek/death_cleopatra/index.shtml

The Mysterious Death of Cleopatra tackles a cold case of regal proportions. Cleopatra inherited the throne of Egypt at age 17, before dodging assassination to rule for more than 20 years. Her life is filled with the enigmatic and the unexplained… as is her untimely death. For two millennia, only one cause has been recorded – suicide by snakebite. Now, cold case criminal profiler Pat Brown and a team of experts that includes an underwater archaeologist and a toxicologist, are re-examining the circumstances of her alleged suicide. Using techniques of 21st century criminal investigations, they reconstruct the 2,000-year-old death scene (which is now submerged beneath Alexandria harbor) and reveal the sinister power games that led to her death.

Thanks Aldux! I never knew I was your model. ;-) This is indeed a great day for me as well...what do you think I should do first: semi-protect a page that Mywayyy's editing? — Khoi khoi 23:48, 20 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Hehe, and then of course there's Bonaparte (he's the one with the "vote for this JEW" messages). — Khoi khoi 23:56, 20 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Hey Aldux, thanks a lot for supporting me in my recent RfA. It succeeded, and I am very grateful to all of you. If you ever need help with anything, please don't hesitate to ask. Also, feel free point out any mistakes I make! Thanks again, — Khoi khoi 04:41, 21 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi. I'm Ronline, another administrator at en.wiki. I've picked your name at random from the administrators list and I would like to ask for your input regarding a 3RR violation case. I've been asked by User:MariusM to block User:William Mauco over a 3RR violation. I personally believe that no such violation took place. The case was reported at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR#User:William_Mauco_reported_by_User:MariusM_.28Result:.29. As another admin, what do you think? Ronline ✉ 09:39, 21 October 2006 (UTC) reply

In makedonia or what's the name over there, if you check, the peace agreement was not reached before november, even though they signed in august, not june, are u an admiistrator? how long? i have other concerns...

I'm an admin since July, to awnser your question. The point is you need to comply with the policy WP:V, that is, provide sources for the conclusions of the conflict, and more important, for those casualty numbers you gave. Consider also taking a username, to make it easier for you to edit and discuss. Bye,-- Aldux 19:56, 21 October 2006 (UTC) reply

You recently compiled and listed a case at request for checkuser. For an outcome to be achieved, we require you list the code letter which matches with the violations of policy, which is listed at the top of the request for checkuser page. This has been implemented to reduce difficulties for checkusers, and is essential for your case to be processed. A link to your recently-created case which has this information missing is here. Thanks for your co-operation. Daniel . Bryant 11:06, 22 October 2006 (UTC), checkuser clerk. reply

And "a link to the closed [ArbCom] case" "[a link to] the discussion that resulted in the ban or block" would be great also. Apologies for the error - got my codes mixed up :). Daniel . Bryant 11:24, 22 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Re this, I don't feel so strongly about it either. It's just that this was the previous version (before the anon edit), and it seems logical to me, regardless the circumstances. I hate those 'grey areas' where something is in the verge of being worthy or unworthy to be mentioned. The same happens in all articles we edit, even with much less controversy than a ...mere (!?) occupation. Sad thing. •NikoSilver• 22:25, 22 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Check your e-mail please. •NikoSilver• 00:26, 23 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Ok, resent. :-) •NikoSilver• 11:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Again per your instructions (response to yours). •NikoSilver• 13:05, 23 October 2006 (UTC) reply

It is important that I send you this. Kindly check if you can fix, or open a gmail account and change your preferences. Thanks. •NikoSilver• 08:32, 24 October 2006 (UTC) reply

You are receiving this notice because you have recently commented on Talk:Alexander the Great. You may be interested in the mediation case located here. It is my hope that mediation will help solve the debate, but you are welcome to participate or not participate as you choose. Cheers. -- Keitei ( talk) 19:50, 24 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux. Thanks for the note. I wasn't intending to comment but have now done so just to be clear about things. Cheers, Petrouchka 02:33, 25 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Hello, Is there any way to protect redirecting articles, since that is equivalent to deleting? I am taking about this without many explanations except the article is quite disgusting. Here is something that almost brought Macedonia under the Roman pope (for which there are documents) . Regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cigor ( talk • contribs)

You mean protect your own version?   /FunkyFly.talk_  14:42, 27 October 2006 (UTC) reply

I don't see your version there. And BTW you were OK with "mine" version for quite some time, until you suddenly decide you don't like it anymore.-- Cigor 14:47, 27 October 2006 (UTC)-- Cigor 14:56, 27 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Of course only The Wrong Version should ever be protected. I will happily declare mine to be the wrong one, if that helps. - By the way, Cigor, it's not like deletion: You can still access the edit history, get out anything you like and integrate it with the other article, that's called merging. Cheers, Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:47, 27 October 2006 (UTC) reply

OK, Fut.Perf. I've merged the article like you advised. Do you think this is better? Cheers. -- Cigor 15:09, 27 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Removed section, see Francis' talk.   /FunkyFly.talk_  15:12, 27 October 2006 (UTC) reply

I have not seen any effort from you or anybody else to make the version "right". Frankly, if you can't see the article it's pretty much as good as deleted.-- Cigor 14:56, 27 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Not really, the MOC article claims continuity.   /FunkyFly.talk_  15:02, 27 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi aldux, I was wondering why the article Carapelli links to an american food company. As for the discussions in 'Italian people', you should propose to remove all references about X people being similar to Y in order to avoid POVs. That's how it was decided in 'Greeks' and the article has been peaceful ever since. I'm suggesting it for Italians too but nobody listens, they keep fixed to their POVs. Miskin 23:17, 27 October 2006 (UTC) reply

It would seem that in the USA Carapelli is a subsidiary of this Hormel food company; a company I have honestly never have heard of, while the name Carapelli is quite known in Italy, and they do a lot of publicity. As for Italian people, it's a lot of time I've not given a look at the article; I'll do tomorrow, as now I really have to go to sleep. Ciao,-- Aldux 23:59, 27 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Ok this is why I thought that Carapelli might be worthy of an article of its own. There's no new content in 'Italian people', just some edit-warring on minor edits concerning the "related ethnic groups" field on the infobox. I haven't been following closely nor participating either, except backing up some of my old edits in Talk. I suggest that in order to stop POV-pushing and disputees, this field should be completely removed. Miskin 11:51, 28 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Also, I've started an article in Hellenistic religion in case you're interested. Miskin 12:33, 28 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Ah, I see. But what do you suggest I do? Put forth some sort of compromise? I'm going to be really busy this weekend, so I can't help then... Khoi khoi 05:08, 28 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi, do you think you could s-protect Al-Farabi. It's being trolled by a persistent anon who has already violated the 3RR (and been blocked for it [56]), but keeps returning with new IPs.-- Tekleni 11:41, 28 October 2006 (UTC) reply

I just created a New Articles in the History of Greece section after the discussion we had. Please, check my comment in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject History of Greece#New articles section, make your own comments and feel free to edit the new section. I hope this effort you initiated will attrack the attention it deserves.-- Yannismarou 18:21, 30 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Aldux, sorry to bug you, but I saw your comment on WP:ANI and wanted to follow up. To me this looks like a very obvious case: both users come from the same IPs, make similar contributions, have similar signatures and writing styles, and one is pretty clearly a single-purpose account. Could you let me know where you disagree? Again, sorry to bug you, but if I've made a mistake here I'd like to know. --Akhilleus ( talk) 18:43, 30 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Aldux, grazie mille for the flattering co-nom. As you may have seen, I've gone ahead and crossed the Rubicon. [57]. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:11, 30 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Please see my message; here, and here. Regards Mustafa Akalp ^TC 09:48, 31 October 2006 (UTC) reply

Hello Aldux, you moved the article Thebes (Greece) to 'Thebes, Greece', as if it were a city of US state. What was the problem with how it was before? Secondly, the Egyptian Thebes is an ancient city of a lost people, neither the city itself nor its people exist today - it's undue weight to equate it with the existing, Greek city. I'm not sure whether the Greek Thebes should be disambiguated in the first place, it should keep the name Thebes and then use a Thebes (Egypt) or Thebes (disambiguation). Finally why did you remove the Turkish and Greek names from Bitola? Those names were in official use for over 1000 years, and Greeks and Turks were a majority population in that city. But besides all that, just take a look at the countless Greek articles which mention Turkish and Venetian names in their heads, and NOT in a separate section ( Crete, Corfu, Zakynthos, Thessaloniki, Chios, Lesbos and the list goes on and on and on and on and on.....!). I don't see how Bitola is an exception to the rule, is it because Macedonian Slavs are bitching more than the other editors? Because for me that's not enough of an excuse. 15:55, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Just a note to both of you: I agree with Aldux and Khoikhoi about the Bitola case. About Thebes, please take note that we currently have double redirects and countless wrong links ( Special:Whatlinkshere/Thebes shows lots of Egypt-related pages). So whatever we do with those articles, there'll be a need of cleanup. I'm for Thebes=dab, Thebes (Egypt) and Thebes (Greece). Brackets for disambiguation are good for using the pipe trick, if nothing else. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:05, 1 November 2006 (UTC) reply

So why do you agree on the Bitola case, care to explain it to me? Each time I tried to remove Ottoman and Venetian names from an article's head and put it them in the body, I was reverted by Khoikhoi. What is it that makes Bitola an exception? Miskin 16:21, 1 November 2006 (UTC) reply

It's not a question of symbolically promoting or demoting the significance of a name, it's a matter of text organisation. The Bitola article has a well-written, well structured, pretty large section devoted to the various names. If there's that much material, a section in the body text is the best solution. If you can write a section of that size and quality about the history of the various names of Chios or whatever, be my guest. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:02, 1 November 2006 (UTC) reply

Actually, the pipe trick works with commas as well: <code>[[Thebes, Greece|]]</code> gives Thebes. But I agree that brackets are preferred. I agree with the dab suggestion. Duja ^► 16:22, 1 November 2006 (UTC) reply

For ancient towns I've noted that the model I reverted to is the most used; and de facto Thebes case can't be compared with that of Athens, as modern Thebes is just a small town of 20,000 inhabitants, and people were search for info on old Thebes, not modern Thebes. Anyways make a WP:RM; I won't shoot myself anyway it ends. As for the second point, Bitola, I also removed the Slavic name. We had agreed (at least I think) in a vast discussion, that when Names section were created, there was no need to duplicate info in the lead.-- Aldux 16:40, 1 November 2006 (UTC) reply

I think that you had simply not agreed, the way I see it everyone has his view and follows his own policies. As a proof of this, someone just reverted my edits and restored the Slavic and Aromanian names in the head of Thessaloniki. Miskin 17:30, 1 November 2006 (UTC) reply

Thebes might be a small town but it has a continuous history, and it has been important as a Byzantine city and as the capital of the Latin principalities, so it's not true that after antiquity it's been as good as dead (as you imply). If for no good reason, someone might be interested to visit the ruins of the ancient city. Miskin 17:30, 1 November 2006 (UTC) reply

Btw in Thessaloniki the alt. names were also mentioned in the article, yet no-one claimed "duplication of information" so I'm not falling for that excuse. I tried to explain this to User:Khoikhoi but I got sarcasms in reply. I'm expecting more seriousness from your part Aldux, if you remove the alt. names from Bitola again, then I'll justly remove them from Thessaloniki and Crete and then new problems will arise. I really couldn't care less whether the Greek and Turkish name appear in the head of Bitola, I just can't stand the double-standard logic go unnoticed. If you decide to remove alternative names, then go ahead and do it from all articles, if you want to keep them then do it as well, from all articles, I just don't see the reason for making exceptions. Miskin 19:06, 1 November 2006 (UTC) reply

Hey, Aldux. I can't remember whether you were a recipient of Cretanpride's lovely little email back in September or not, but either way I thought you might be interested to know that there's a new proposed policy under discussion at Wikipedia:Death threats. I've put in my two quadrantes, but I thought you'd like to know as well. Best, — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs) 06:05, 2 November 2006 (UTC) reply

85.75.89.202 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)

If in doubt: block first, ask for translation later. Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:21, 6 November 2006 (UTC) reply

If that second block was for me, and if I have a say in it, then kindly remove it. If it wasn't for me, or if my wish doesn't make any difference, then do what you must. Just thought I should tell you my wish on this. Thanks. •NikoSilver• 21:59, 6 November 2006 (UTC) reply

Hello, Aldux. I though you might like to know that I'm starting to work on the Hellenistic Art article you asked to have translated from French. -- Coppertwig 17:31, 7 November 2006 (UTC) reply

Translation complete! EdJohnston and others also helped. Can you advise re how to move it to the English Wikipedia page: do we worry about retaining the page history? thanks. (I also asked EdJohnston the same question.) -- Coppertwig 22:04, 11 November 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks for your quick reply! Actually, I do have a few questions. I've been wikifying for about a week or so and really getting into it.

One question is: I've been keeping a list in my sandbox, for my own convenience, of users I might want to contact. Do you think this is OK or would it violate some policy, i.e. would the users mind do you think?

Another question: I'm wondering whether anybody is looking after the translation page. For example, is the tranlation of the month changed each month. Wikipedia:Translation into English/French and also the page Wikipedia:Translation into English. I'm thinking of adding some instructions for other new translators and perhaps suggesting that the page Wikipedia:French Collaboration Project be merged with the Wikipedia:Translation into English/French page. Oho -- I just found the page Wikipedia:French Collaboration Project/History which seems to imply that no, nobody is looking after updating the translation of the month. I would suggest deleting the stuff about translation of the month, if it's not really being looked after. Just an ordinary list of things to be translated, on ONE page, should be good enough. What do you think?

By the way, about the page history: it seems more important to retain the page history which is attached to the sandbox (i.e. history of translating the page) than the page history of the current English page. However, I suppose if I mention on the talk page that I cut-and-pasted from the sandbox then people can follow the links back if they really want to. -- Coppertwig 00:02, 12 November 2006 (UTC) reply

Pretty well finished Derveni krater. See notes on its talk page. I won't always be that fast!! -- Coppertwig 21:24, 12 November 2006 (UTC) reply

I see you made the title of "Hellenistic art" conform to capitalization and put a redirect from the orphan tranlation sandbox.

Question: I put instructions for proofreaders on Wikipedia:Translation into English/French (just before the Recently Translated section). I suggested going onto the French wikipedia and putting an interlanguage link to the translated article. Is that necessary or does a bot do that based on the link from the English article to the French one? -- Coppertwig 12:13, 16 November 2006 (UTC) reply

I had put links to "Hellenistic Art" on several other pages; I just went and changed them to lowercase a in art. I think I got them all. -- Coppertwig 10:02, 17 November 2006 (UTC) reply

Se la face ay pale, la cause est... 23:42, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

If I'm a bit pale in the face now, it's because of the amazing support during my recent request for adminship and because of all those new shiny buttons. And if in the future my use of them should not always be perfect please don't hesitate to shout at me any time, sunset, noon or sunrise.

As a result of a lengthy debate/poll we had in Template talk:Countries of Europe, I've formulated a proposal and need to know what other people think about it. Its scope extends obviously beyond Europe, so I made a subpage before I post it in WP:VPP. See User:NikoSilver/Disputed regions - Summary style (and click talk for your comments). Thanks. •NikoSilver• 23:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi, when you get some time, could you please list your {{POV}} concerns about this article Occupation of Bessarabia by the Soviet Union in its talk page. Thank you.: Dc76 06:51, 11 November 2006 (UTC) reply

...chiedere un favore? Puoi guardare mia (:-)) nuova voce Ferretti Group? Per favore dimi se ho dimenticato qualcosa interessante. Sara piu facile per te di trovare altri fonti perche questa ditta e Italiana. Grazie! •NikoSilver• 14:18, 13 November 2006 (UTC) reply

Grazie! Dovevo sapere. :-( Faro le addizioni domani! •NikoSilver• 23:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC) reply

I'm thinking of deleting some stuff from Wikipedia:Translation into English/French: shortening the mention of each completed article down from a whole template with Status etc. to just a single line with a link to the article, and deleting some older completed articles. Should I be bold? Or should that information be archived somehow? Thanks -- Coppertwig 21:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC) reply

Ciao Aldux! Do you think it would be inappropriate for me to semi-protect Circassians, Cherkes, and Cherkess? This disruptive anon in Damascus—aka CoCoWaWa ( talk · contribs)—keeps blanking these articles. But the stuff going on at Circassians...is that possibly a content dispute instead? Thanks, Khoi khoi 18:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC) reply

Hey, could you also semi-protect Yaşar Kemal as well? :-) Khoi khoi 23:19, 19 November 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi. Please have a look at the Central African War. As I mentioned on its talk page, I attempted to rewrite it, but it remains problematic in several respects, one of which being the "War" in the title. Any attention you could devote the matter would be greatly appreciated. Regards, El_C 04:13, 19 November 2006 (UTC) reply

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Thank you.-- Yannismarou 12:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC) reply

I was reading Greek frappe, and came to the quote where it talks about "espresso freddo", "capuccino freddo" (aka freddoccino). I've repeatedly tried to drink (whatever) cold coffee in Italy, and I always end up ...explaining the recipe to the startled waiter (not to mention that the end result always sucks). On the other hand, I've been drinking these in Greece since maybe 10 years now. Is it that frequent in Italy? I'd go bold, but I thought I should ask you first... Niko Silver 23:39, 22 November 2006 (UTC) reply

I've always wanted to know something more about that:). i know well that drinking coffee is by no means a greek invention, but, is frappe only a "greek thing"? or maybe is it included in the various kinds of coffee served in Italy (primarily, since we have many italian kinds of coffee) or elsewhere? Hectorian 04:17, 24 November 2006 (UTC) reply

Frappe is documented to be Greek. I was asking about capuccino/espresso freddo. Last time in Firenze I was served footwash! So the question is simple: Do you have it? Have you seen it before? Niko Silver 15:52, 24 November 2006 (UTC) reply

Sorry Niko, I hadn't immediately noticed your post. The awnser to your question is very simple: absolutely no, simply the idea of drinking cold coffee seems weird to me, I've never drunk personally a cold coffee in all my life, neither has anybody in my family; except, obviously, the originally boiling espresso is served cold because of the bar's sloppiness, and then it's really disgusting.-- Aldux 16:18, 24 November 2006 (UTC) reply

I knew that was the case, but didn't want to push this so far initially. Freddo in Greece is second most popular coffee after frappe (well, according to my WP:OR that is). I'll make a picture, and if you find it attractive, I'll tell you the (easy) recipe. Niko Silver 16:30, 25 November 2006 (UTC) reply

As promised, check photo and tell me if it is tempting! :-) Niko Silver 23:20, 29 November 2006 (UTC) reply

The photo makes it tempting, I admit, but in all honesty, the thought of drinking cold coffee is something that my stomach can't resist. Also, I'm first of all a tea-drinker (which makes me a real outcast in a coffee-mad country like Italy ;-)). Ciao,-- Aldux 00:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC) reply

Would you mind checking out new thread here? Grazie mille, Khoi khoi 08:50, 23 November 2006 (UTC) reply

Please, can you take a look at Macedonians (ethnic group)? Some users have literally "castrated" the article with no discussions, and erased categories:Ethnic groups in Albania, Bulgaria, Greece. Bomac 18:40, 23 November 2006 (UTC) reply

I'd be one of them, and I was blackmailing for sources, coz the infobox shows more Macedonian Slavs in e.g. Italy than those countries, but no category! I'll be adding the respective categories if you don't mind, and that's for consistency in this article. Niko Silver 23:23, 23 November 2006 (UTC) reply

Niko, don't forget in such cases we usually make a difference between recent immigrant communities and autochthonous populations. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:35, 23 November 2006 (UTC) reply

Ultimately, we are all immigrants; who is to define one's status as "recent" and "autochthonous". Anyway - check the categories at Greeks.-- Euthymios 23:39, 23 November 2006 (UTC) reply

Ummm, I had no idea about the autochthonous/immigrants thing. In that case, would it be irrational to say that in order to qualify as an immigrant of some ethnicity, that ethnicity has to exist prior to your migration? Hah! Anyway, I wish Greece performs an ethnicity census next time, so that we get done with this. I wonder if Helsinki et al state the method of arriving at those estimates. OTOH, those 2,955 votes are a pretty rational method, dont you think? Niko Silver 00:08, 24 November 2006 (UTC) reply

Helsinki monitor never states methods of estimations... btw, have u seen that they even list Pomaks as "Macedonians"? i am not keen on conspiracy theories, but sometimes they do exist! LOL Hectorian 04:20, 24 November 2006 (UTC) reply

Hectorian, are you sure you don't mean euromosaic? I've read the all the Helsinki Monitor reports online on the Pomaks and it was never stated that they were Macedonians. As for the votes of a party, I disagree they are a good criterion to understand the strength of a minority; there was once a Pomak political party in Bulgaria, and it made even worse than the Rainbow party; but nobody serious thought that this meant that the Pomaks didn't exist, or identified all as ethnic Bulgarians.-- Aldux 16:26, 24 November 2006 (UTC) reply

I know about euromosaic, but i have the impression that Helsinki monitor also links the Pomaks with the "Macedonians"... well, if not the Pomaks (muslims) in western Thrace, surely the Slavic-speaking population (christians) in Eastern Greek Macedonia (Drama and Serres prefectures). seems they are identifing ethnic groups according to the old ottoman tradition, id est according to religion. IMO, the votes of minority and ethnic parties are quite a good criterion for the numerical strength of a specific minority: u can compare the parties of the Basques and the Catalans in Spain, and of the Scots in the UK-maybe not all of them vote for the specific parties, but at least there is not a gap 1 to 300 (as some nationalists in FYROM say: 3,000 votes but 1 million Slavomacedonians...!). and, not only looking at the number of votes, but also in the ethnic or religious affiliation of the MP... e.g., in Greece there are 2 muslim MP from Thrace (something that roughly corresponds to the strength of the muslim minority there. but, "surprisingly", no MP from any other imagined minority... as for the Pomaks, i do not know if they all self-identify as ethnic Bulgarians, but for sure they are neither Turks nor "Macedonians". Regards Hectorian 16:54, 24 November 2006 (UTC) reply

I have created the category 'ethnic groups in FYROM', where i included the ethnic groups found only there, and not in the rest of the region of Macedonia. u know well the definitions for both... U are free to rename it into 'category:...Republic of Macedonia' (since Wikipedia has come to a state to have a country under this name...), but not simply as 'Macedonia'. there are categories about ethnic groups in various countries, thus, only under this name (the name of the respective article) such a category can exist. Regards and ciao Hectorian 04:12, 24 November 2006 (UTC) reply

Thanks for your congrats. I also appreciate your support in the FA candidancy. Kyriakos 20:51, 25 November 2006 (UTC) reply

I would like to express my appreciation of the time you spent considering my successful RfA. Thankyou Gnangarra 13:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC) reply

Most of the people will tell you that is civil war, i mean they will never call it civil war in iraq because that war (its all lousy politics)is lost for usa and 'coalition' and worse worse than vietnam, however, let's ask other historians if they think that was civil war, then we can find best solution.

There's been some disruption by anons at Mustafa Kemal Atatürk lately...could you please semi-protect the page? Thanks, Khoi khoi 05:09, 30 November 2006 (UTC) reply

Nov 2006–Jan 2007 Information

I was looking at the history of some Albanian articles in light of the ZoguShqiptar700 uprising and I happened to notice some similar-flavored edits from back in the day.

Albanau ( talk · contribs) made virtually the same edits back in June 2005

• http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Kor%C3%A7%C3%AB&diff=14941226&oldid=14940675
• http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Gjirokast%C3%ABr&diff=prev&oldid=14937917
• http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Sarand%C3%AB&diff=prev&oldid=14931607

And then there were some others

• http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Kor%C3%A7%C3%AB&diff=14919055&oldid=14900074
• http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Kor%C3%A7%C3%AB&diff=34539917&oldid=34539713
• http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Sarand%C3%AB&diff=36595730&oldid=34540101

Maybe you'd have a better idea of whether these are the same person or just coincidental. — CharlotteWebb 13:08, 2 December 2006 (UTC) reply

LOL, you evidently are not familiar with how deep these name edit wars go. See the cases of User:Mywayyy, User:Ormands (no userpage) and the entry at WP:LAME.-- Euthymios 17:04, 2 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Yes, I also believe they're different people, but anyways I requested a checkuser so that all doubts can be rapidly dissipated.-- Aldux 17:07, 2 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Ohridan2 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)-- Euthymios 17:02, 2 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Done.-- Aldux 17:08, 2 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Do you personally dislike my country?! Bulgaria was a great Middle Age power. I can't see in what way france, england or the Frankish Empire exceed Bulgaria in this period. -- Gligan 21:59, 2 December 2006 (UTC) reply

I have a question, why did Tsar Simeon call himself "Tsar of Bulgarians and Greeks" if the Byzantine Empire was not Greek?-- Euthymios 22:01, 2 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Things are very complex here. I do not deny the fact that many contemporaries called the Byzantines "Greeks"; but I think that the major reasons for that are two: 1) Especially for the westerners, who thought that the true Roman Empire was the Holy Roman Empire of the German People it would be confusing and even humiliating to consider the Byzantines as Romans; after all the Pope used to be the face of the Empire for them. 2) People did not have such knowledge in history as today; as the official languaga was Greek, they thought that the population of Byzantium was Greek too. There is also one more reason: the Byzantine historians often called the Bulgarians "Moesians", which has nothing to do with them, but thus they wanted to emphasize that they were insignificant; for the same reason the Bulgarians called the Byzantines Greeks.

If Greece was truely Byzantium, why it did not keep this name? Byzantium I should say sounds glorius and although it was a great enemy of my country, I should admit that this was the most successful, infuential and culturally developped state in Europe throughout the Middle Ages, so if the greeks were Byzantines, I think that they should have kept the name. After all the name "Greece" as a country dates back from 1829; in the Antiquity there was not such state, but such region as is the Middle East for instance today, consisting of numerous independent polisi. -- Gligan 09:25, 3 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Thank you very much for your wondeful comments and support. I appreciate it. Biruitorul 22:15, 2 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Re: [58] - I'm afraid Greece and Italy are not participating in the WTO as Hellenic Republic and Italian Republic ( [59]). Only around a handful countries use their full names (in reversed order or not). :-) — Insta ntnood 08:02, 3 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Re [60] - By reverting the changes, I'm afraid you could be bringing POV disputes to the template, e.g. Macedonia, Taiwan. — Insta ntnood 14:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Sorry, but I disagree; these navigational templates are there to make life easier for readers, and should be in accord with the mame of the country articles.-- Aldux 14:58, 3 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Nevertheless by following official sources we're avoiding troubles. — Insta ntnood 16:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC) reply

After having to block Tureg2 ( talk · contribs), Tureg3 ( talk · contribs), and UOGORTH ( talk · contribs) tonight, reverting userpage vandalism, etc. - I have honestly had enough of this user. Therefore, I have decided to be bold and ban him myself. Please let me know if there are any objections. Khoi khoi 10:00, 3 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Hey you UK based Greek spy! Thanks for reverting my talk-page. I am afraid you have more work with WP:SOCK-ef! ('Kaltsa' literally means 'sock' in Greek!) :-) Niko Silver 12:34, 3 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Stop blowing our cover Nikosilver, can't you see there's people suspecting our secret organisation? Miskin 20:46, 7 December 2006 (UTC) reply

I noticed your very helpful work on previous FAC pages. Could you take a look at Ohio Wesleyan University and provide me with some suggestions on how to improve it? I nominated the page 2 days ago. Thank you so much for your time!!! WikiprojectOWU 07:26, 5 December 2006 (UTC) reply

I noticed you added one more headline so the article had two of the same. your version

ciao, -- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 14:04, 5 December 2006 (UTC) reply

btw, take a look to the talk page of Chadian-Sudanese conflict-- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 14:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC) reply

your changes are Ok, but I still need a revision for the Chadian-Sudanese conflict and Central African War -- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 21:00, 19 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Also, many thanks you for your editorial improvements of the Andrea Meldolla article!-- GiorgioOrsini 01:15, 7 December 2006 (UTC) reply

I left a response to your note on the Andrea Meldolla talk pages.-- GiorgioOrsini 03:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux,

Browsing the list of administrators, and being completely new on the Wikipedia, I decided to ask you for help.

Here is the user signed as Spylab which publicly claims that I used so-called sock-puppets in reverting something re-written by him, which he hails as superior to the previous version [61], [62]

Even worse, on the talk pages of the anonymous users who reverted his version of the Croatia subsection he put the {sockpuppet|NovaNova} Spylab tag. See [63] and [64]

I do not think that I should defend myself against baseless accusations and that there must be a way to stop this public slander - which is something I would ask you to do.

Of course, you are more than welcome to check his accusations about the sock-pupperty - and make your findings public. I would appreciate it greatly.

Also, his agressive behavior comes always when he breaks 3RR rule as it can be seen here - twice [65] and again [66], [67], [68]

-- NovaNova 23:43, 7 December 2006 (UTC) reply

• User:NovaNova has constantly reverted a section of the neo-Nazism article to an inferior state that did not focus on the actual topic of the article. I comprimised by combining the old and new version of the section, but NovaNova continued the destructive reverts instead of making productive edits. This led to the article being locked. NovaNova has done similar things to the Neo-Nazism in Croatia article, but to a lesser extent (so far). The two anonymous IPs who reverted the neo-Nazism article were obviously NovaNova. They did the exact same revert that NovaNova kept doing, and used the same kind of unique language style in the edit note that NovaNova is known for. I find it amusing that NovaNova would write here that I broke 3RR, since NovaNova has been guilty of the same offence. Spylab 12:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Why isn't Encyclopedia Britannica a reliable source? -- PaxEquilibrium 23:59, 9 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Are you certain it's in it? I've got the modern version, and I remember searching there, without success, for info. on Voisava's ethnicity.-- Aldux 00:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Check the Encyclopedia Britannica Eleventh Edition. -- PaxEquilibrium 17:44, 10 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Ok, it's there, but remember to leave an inline citation when you insert "Serbian". Ciao,-- Aldux 18:02, 10 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Actually, since I added it for quite number (n) of times - I don't want to seem like a POV-pusher - so why don't You (who removed it 3-4-5 times) return it Yourself? -- PaxEquilibrium 21:02, 11 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Actually I believe I removed only once, at least in the last six months, and I'm not overtly enthusiastic of placing a piece of info that has not been kept by following editions of wikipedia and also does not result to be in Barleti. But I won't oppose you if you do it.-- Aldux 13:56, 14 December 2006 (UTC) reply

I added it three times, and You reverted each of those (besides my objections and callings upon EB at the talk page). You're a very, very good-reputation editor, so I'm not going to add it either (it just doesn't seem to be proper to me). -- PaxEquilibrium 22:50, 22 December 2006 (UTC) reply

You're free not to believe me, but I controlled carefully, and I only reverted you the last time. I had removed also a duplication of information you made, when you rewrote that her mother was called Voisava and her family, which was already in the previous section. As for the first addition, it was removed by Albanau.-- Aldux 23:35, 22 December 2006 (UTC) reply

On December 12, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Islamic Legion, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Hello Aldux - Thanks for creating this article, which BanyanTree nominated - Feel free to self nominate in future, as the vast majority are self nominated. With all your articles on history there are plenty of interesting and unusual things from the old days. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 04:41, 12 December 2006 (UTC) reply

		The Original Barnstar
		You're not barnstarred nearly enough, and if you keep up at this pace we're going to need to give you another userpage just for the original articles list! Just a shame I can't put a couple more of these on here... Kylu 05:09, 12 December 2006 (UTC) reply

"one of the most confrontational and uncivil pov-pushers" I would like to know how you came up with that conclusion about me? I have nothing to do with Greier, he had broken every WP policy that exists, and that's why he was banned when he was still relatevely new to WP. I 've been here since the begining of 2006 (I was editing anonymously before I created an acount), and my problems started when I added the White Nationalist userbox in my userpage. Mitsos 14:27, 13 December 2006 (UTC) reply

This person seems to be back; see [69]. Thanks. Imc 21:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC) reply

User:Maleabroad is now only editing anonymously...

• as 136.159.32.176 (15. Jan)
• as 136.159.32.74 (12. Jan)
• as 136.159.32.218 (9. Jan)
• as 136.159.208.35 (7. Jan)
• as 136.159.209.50 (4./5. Jan)
• as 136.159.209.120 (4. Jan)

Incidentally, he signs manually as "[[Maleabroad]]"

Other addressed used prior to block include: 136.159 .32.138, .32.162, .32.181, .209.121, .32.127

-- Fullstop 10:40, 16 January 2007 (UTC) reply

ps: as could be expected by his signing as [[Maleabroad]] instead of "[[User:Maleabroad]]", there is now a comment under the article Maleabroad

Following reverts on the articles Hindu and Buddha as an Avatar of Vishnu see also:

• 136.159.32.63 (16. Jan)
• 136.159.32.209 (10. Jan)
• 136.159.209.171 (9. Jan)

Regards, Gouranga(UK) 22:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi! I don't see any additions of new articles in WPHOG! What is going wrong?!! Don't we have any or did you forget your duties?

Seriously now: How are you watching them? Is there a tool, a relevant page etc? Or you just check other users' contributions?

Cheers!-- Yannismarou 19:28, 17 December 2006 (UTC) reply

And I was waiting to hear the magic solution! Anyway, good luck with Chad! When you're over with it, Greece will still be waiting for you! Regards!-- Yannismarou 20:13, 17 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Hello Aldux! Since you helped User:Coppertwig and me with a move some time ago regarding Hellenistic Art, where an original article and a new version had to be somehow combined, can you give me some advice? I created a draft at User_talk:EdJohnston/Tifft_draft whose contents have now been copy-pasted into the main article, by agreement of the editors. This draft is no longer needed. Is it better to leave it around, or delete it? I thought I'd move it, so it is now in User_talk:EdJohnston/Archive4 but now I'm concerned that it's wasting resources. What do you think? There is very little edit history in the draft, and I don't mind at all if it's deleted. EdJohnston 03:36, 19 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Discussion at User_talk:EdJohnston.

Thanks for your reply! Deletion is fine. EdJohnston 20:33, 19 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Thank you for supporting my nomination. I am happy to see that some people believe in me as a potential admin.-- Berig 20:08, 19 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux. Happy holidays, I hope you are well. I have a question about the Alexander the Great article. I believe you added the original text, describing Alexander's demands regarding Demosthenes in 335 BC. Based solely on the Plutarch's Phocion, I've recently modified that text and changed the sense of what you wrote, please see Talk:Alexander the Great#Alexander's demands regarding Demosthenes in 335 BC, for details. I would like your opinion on the changes I made. Are there other sources for this incident than Plutarch? Regards Paul August ☎ 20:26, 19 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Please check your email. Khoi khoi 21:51, 19 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Ah. Well all the email said was, "could you please semi-protect Patras?" :-) Thanks, Khoi khoi 22:09, 19 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Sorry Al, I thought you really were offline when I reverted (saw your contribs had stopped). The rest we will discuss in the said talk. :-) Niko Silver 23:32, 19 December 2006 (UTC) reply

I just saw your post because of edit conflicts. I am aware of those. But can I simply create articles for Point and email twenty friends to take part in its AfD? This is extremely frustrating and unhelpful, and detrimental to Wikipedia. Have any of those users been warned? Please read the whole AfD again, there are some worrying patterns. None of those users have disclosed how they came across this article. I am finished with that AfD in any case. So, don't worry. What do you think about what happened in the AfD? Cheers! Baristarim 16:02, 20 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Barristarim, I'm happy you've calmed down now. I have no reasons for believing that many of them knew of it through the link to FPS, as I did, as FPS is strongly connected with Greek topics, so it's not so strange many of them came to knew of it. You're entitled to have your suspects, but unless you can substantiate them, and bring serious elements before the WP:AN/I, it's better to keep them for yourself. Cheers,-- Aldux 16:21, 20 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Your proposal honors me greatly. I've answered in my talk page.-- Yannismarou 17:58, 21 December 2006 (UTC) reply

What do you think about the balance between primary and secondary sources now?-- Eupator 17:17, 22 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Check it out, I have implemented you suggestions.-- Eupator 22:26, 23 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Don't worry about it Aldux. I know it was acciedental and it is easily fixed. :) Kyriakos 00:24, 23 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Edit conflict with user Macedonian Empire over positioning of the RoM section of the article. I've tried telling him that it's convention to use RoM for the name through edit comments and on his talk page (which he likes to blank every time someone edits it), but to no avail. I can't find the actual vote that resulted in the RoM convention, or else I'd try shoving that in his face, but I doubt he'd pay heed to it. Suggestions? Greekfire 12:09, 23 December 2006 (UTC) reply

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Thank you.-- Yannismarou 14:57, 23 December 2006 (UTC) reply

You should make a link to the battle in Libyan-Chadian War somewhere. At least. -- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 17:07, 23 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Hello i think if we keep the articles separate it would be better because the mitanni article describes the location and some information on there kings while the Armenian kingdom of mitanni contains different info we can add it to the see also section. Plus people are not going to like this but the references are all reliable. Nareklm 18:30, 23 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Aldux, you did your part by pointing out unreferenced sections that I had missed and that long quote that really bothered me too. I didn't want to get rid of it as I thought it's important to understand the speech at the rostra, all is well now. Btw your early tips from last spring regarding the Orontids did have a lasting impact on my future edits. Cheers and Merry Christmas!-- Ευπάτωρ ^Talk!! 18:05, 24 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Hello, and thank you for the support on my recent RfA. I was particluarly pleased about your remembering our early interaction. I hope I can live up to your trust, and certainly welcome any and all feedback. All the best, and thanks again! — Agathoclea 13:14, 25 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Hey, are you reporting 85.73.74.181 on WP:ANI as a sock of the greek chauvanist junta guy, or shall I? Peace, delldot | talk 19:57, 26 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Unfotunately, it would be only a loss of time; it's dear community-banned Kaltsef, and his IP is dynamic, and not static.-- Aldux 20:04, 26 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Re this, I know it is the case, but I cannot provide a source. I had seen that addition earlier and didn't revert it. You may consider re-adding it and put a {{ fact}} tag. Niko Silver 20:45, 26 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Done. BTW, have you got my e-mail? Ciao,-- Aldux 21:03, 26 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Thx for leaving me a message. I am sorry if you got the wrong impression that I was trying to say something bad about u, or making any assumptions that you were doing something wrong.It's just that it seems to me that the Pusyamitra hoax is being given undue importance on wikipedia, thanks to partisan ideologies and political interests. This observation is based on my reading many wiki articles where allegations of his "persecution of Buddhists" (based entirely upon Buddhist religious scripture) is prominently featured. The thing is that Sungas are a very unimportant footnote in Indian history in the face of greats like the Mauryan and Guptas, and it is not important enough to be featured so prominently across wikipedia. I think it only deserves brief mentioning on account of it's verifiability. In recent years, political parties and certain "academics" with partisan biases are harping on exaggerations relating to their attitudes towards Buddhism for political purposes (in an ancient country like India, history is often used to rake up political controversy). We in India know this problem well.My feeling is that wikipedia should not be used for political propaganda, and my attempt to put the academic truth (preferentially over Buddhist religious parables) was an attempt to depoliticize the article.I did not assume that you belonged to any such partisan group, and, if you thought I did, then I apologize.However, perhaps you should have opened a dialogue with me in the talk page to discuss my additions and I would have pointed you to the relevant subject matter. It would have avoided needless unpleasantness. Rumpelstiltskin223 17:19, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

What is the problem? Is it forbidden and why???-- GiorgioOrsini 17:25, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

By the bye I removed all messages posted to a number of editors informing them about Requested moves-- GiorgioOrsini 17:42, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Your point of view, as given on my talk pages, is completely subjective and an unnecessary exaggeration.-- GiorgioOrsini 19:08, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Hello, as you are a admnistrator familiar with certain things, I was wondering if you have the time, could advise me in a potential dispute. I do understand if you're too busy, but either way please leave answer on my talk page. Thank you-- Kathanar 22:20, 28 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Hello User:Aldux thank you for responding. I have a problem on the Graham Staines page. I undid a POV'd edit on that page by User:Bakasuprman, but it was reverted again to the POV'd version by a User:Rumpelstiltskin223. Would mind taking a look and give me your assessment of the situation. Thank you-- Kathanar 22:38, 28 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi. Thank you for your participation in Graham Staines. could you please look at the talk page Talk:Graham Staines‎ and the incivil posts of User:Kathanar there that seem to violate WP:NPOV and WP:POINT. Do you concur? Rumpelstiltskin223 22:57, 28 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi, it seems that User:Kathanar persists in making derogatory and accusatory remarks in the talk page [70]. Perhaps you should converse with him as he seems to regard you well and us with contempt. Rumpelstiltskin223 01:12, 29 December 2006 (UTC) reply

No offence it was a nice message thanks but I am leaving now, I've just seen the sneaky little arbcom decision, and no one treats me like that, and I'm sick of this behaviour on wikipedia so I'm off to pastures new. Giano 01:21, 29 December 2006 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux. I just came across the article Faya-Largeau, which you moved to that title from Faya a little over (under, it seems) a year ago. Britannica and the Chadian government both say that the current name is actually Faya, so I'll shortly tag Faya (which has been converted into a dab page) with {{ Db-g6}}, wait for it to be deleted, and then move Faya-Largeau there. Do you have any objections to this reversal of your move? Picaroon 02:43, 1 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Scratch that, WP:CSD is backlogged and this doesn't really fit with CSD G6 anyways, so I'll send the request to WP:RM. Picaroon 05:33, 1 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Well first of all, I didn't write the Bodele article - my single edit to it was a copyedit. I agree that it is very well written - probably even a bit above what I'm capable of, in fact. (My closest DYK to Chad is Bayajidda, from northern Nigeria - he crossed Chad, but didn't stay. If I've written any Chad articles, they're just geo-stubs or bio-stubs that are so poor I've forgotten them already.) Anyways, because of what you showed me about the naming confusion, I'll withdraw the RM request and leave Faya as a redirect to Faya-Largeau (all incoming links seem to Faya seem to be for the town, not the plant.) Does this sound good? I'm not sure the current dab page, Faya (disambiguation), is needed at all now, because "X (disambiguation)" pages with two entries tend to be pretty useless. Picaroon 17:43, 1 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Well, first of all, the geo coordinates (17°55′00″N, 19°7′00″E) in the article are wrong. They're off by a little bit, maybe because no one with accurate equipment has ever been to northern Chad, maybe because the French didn't measure it right - I'm not sure why, but I know they aren't quite accurate. The 00s should probably be numbers.

Anyways, the locator dot was created so we wouldn't have to upload a picture with a big red dot on it for every town and city - with this, we can upload a national map and place the locator dot over the map. The x and y are coordinates (see also coordinate system for more on them and how to fiddle with them) help move the dot to the correct place. The coordinates in this version of the map had the red dot a little to the left of where the small black, so I adjusted it using the preview button until the dots were directly on top of eachother. I assume they weren't on top of eachother like they should've been because of the aforementioned inaccurate coordinates of Faya-Largeau. For me, at least, it was just guess&check work to get the x and y coordinates right. There might be a better way than what I did, but I'm not aware of it.

On an unrelated note, I noticed your sysop-nationaliy page. You might want to add Mailer diablo to Singapore and Redux to Brazil. Picaroon 19:31, 1 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Thanks for your awnsers. As for my sysop page, I'm trying to proceed systematically - thay is, first the sysops who's name starts with the A, and so on.-- Aldux 19:55, 1 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Thank you for getting involved in this. I stumbled across this article while doing disambiguation link repair, so I thought I would make a bit of an effort to clean it up. I anticipated that I would be trying to convince Sze Cavalry of WP policies on my own, so I was pleasantly surprised when when you showed up. However, I must confess curiousity as to how you came across this (RC patrol? Sysop magic?). Also, please let me know if you think I could have handled this differently or better.-- Kubigula ( talk) 22:48, 1 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi Kubigula. The reson I noted it is simply that I have a very vast watchlist, covering almost all Greece-related articles, among other things, only, these are really a lot of articles. As for the way you've handled the matter, I don't have any objections: you noted serious POV and OR problems, and you intervened with civility.-- Aldux 20:22, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Ah, the long watchlist - I might have guessed. My watchlist seems to grow by a few articles every day. Sze Cavalary seems to be waiting for your input on Cleophis. May I ask if you intend to edit the article more substantially? No pressure - if you have other areas you would prefer to spend your energy on, I will take a stab at reducing the POV and OR.-- Kubigula ( talk) 04:58, 3 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Hello. Please don't delete any more messages that other people leave on my talk page, because I want to see them all. Thanks. Martin 12:38, 3 January 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martinb1 ( talk • contribs)

Thank you for the consideration you gave to my RfA. To be chosen as an administrator requires a high level of confidence by a broad section of the community. Although I received a great deal of support, at this time I do not hold the level of confidence required, and the RfA did not pass. You were one of the oppose votes, and raised concerns. I am more than willing to discuss those concerns with you if you are interested. Please let me know. Sincerely, -- BostonMA ^talk 12:50, 4 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Protecting ones talk page is contrary to the spirit of Wikipedia. Please reconsider. -- RHaworth 18:44, 6 January 2007 (UTC) reply

I would love to, believe me; unfortunately a sockpuppetering banned troll has insistently vandalized in a particularly irritating way the user and talk pages of those users that revert his edits and have brought to his banning, forcing me to semiprotect this talk, and he's still doing it with those who haven't wanted semiprotected their pages. So sorry, but till Kaltsef insists, I'll keep it semiprotected.-- Aldux 00:36, 7 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Ciao Aldux, would you mind checking out User talk:Khoikhoi/Unprotected#Blocking of 194.152.217.129, and tell me if this is Afrika paprika or not? Thanks, Khoi khoi 00:13, 7 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Thanks again. Khoi khoi 01:15, 7 January 2007 (UTC) reply

You have done some reverts on my talk page once. Don't do that again. Thanks. Jakiša Tomić 13:23, 8 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Oh, and you are admin!?!? Just great! Jakiša Tomić 13:39, 8 January 2007 (UTC) reply

"All rollback edits are signed as minor"? Are you joking or are you think I am stupid? I don't care about Julije Klović, Giulio Clovio, you, that user who asked me to vote, that Italian user, Fidel Castro, Jesus Christ, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler and all other nationalists on Wikipedia. Just leave me alone. Jakiša Tomić 16:27, 8 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux, I realize (as you did) that Asteraki's edits to those articles were not normal procedure, but to be honest, the end results were correct. Take a look at Category:Republic of Macedonia at the Olympics. The 2004 article is the only one that doesn't follow the naming conventions we have agreed upon in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Sports Olympics. I wanted to rename that page previously but could not because of previous moves. As you are an admin, could you please move that article to achieve the same result? Thanks, Andrwsc 16:01, 10 January 2007 (UTC) reply

I see. Following your request I've moved the page to the correct location, preserving the page history. Ciao, -- Aldux 16:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Thanks, much appreciated! I had been planning to post a request on the "requested moves" page but this speeds up that process. Andrwsc 17:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Somehow I missed your reply on my talk page. All I can say is that he or she should appeal their ban to ArbCom. Cheers and happy new year, Asterion ^talk 23:35, 11 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi, Aldux! And a happy new year! It is the first time we "speak" since the intrusion of 2007! Do you remember explaining me the virtues of being an administrator?! I think I'll go for it, although I still want my time for my articles, and I hope the new duties and responsibilities (if, of course, the RfA is successful, which is something unpredictable) will not jeopardize my editing work. What made me re-think the whole thing was Alcibiades's appearance in the main page tomorrow. I had told you that I will think about it, and I will decide about January 10. Now that I was thinking and re-thinking the whole thing, the announcement of this important event for me in Wikipedia happened. I thought it might be a sign (well, I'm a bit superstitious; but don't worry, I try not to overdo it!), and I was "pushed" by this coincidence towards accepting the prospect of a RfA.

I don't know how should I organize the whole thing. Make a draft page somewhere with the nominations, the questions, the answers etc, and when I'am ready submit it officially? How does this thing work? In any case, I'd be happy if you, Nicos and Rob, namely you who made the proposal and the two other users who commented on it (and with whom I have shared some of the most vivid and creative moments in Wikipedia), could co-nominate me. I would be really honored. Maybe we can prepare the nominatios, then work the (obligatory - if understand how RfA works) questions-answers, and Monday-Tuesday - if I feel everything is ready - submit it. I do not want to hurry; what matters to me is to make the things properly and try to be accurate and well-prepared for the whole proceedure. I wait for your comments. Regards!-- Yannismarou 21:32, 12 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Hey, good! Go for it! That way you will be able block me next time I remove Greek poems from my userpage... :-) As for the process, what I did myself was to prepare most of my answers offline. But of course you can also create a page. If you like you can create it right away in the WP:RFA/... namespace; other people will be supposed to leave it alone until you actually list it at the main WP:RFA page. - Just one thing, about co-nominators, I remember some discussion on RFA talk some time ago where it turned out some people find multiple co-noms annoying. So maybe it's better to get a single person to do the nomination but prepare it well. Of course, Aldux is quite good at these things... :-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Aye to all that. Off-line, one-nom, not-me! Niko Silver 22:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the advice!-- Yannismarou 13:10, 13 January 2007 (UTC) reply

This is fantastic!!!!! :-) Don't worry, I hadn't forgotten, I was keeping my fingers crossed, it's great to hear you accepted. And thanks to FPS for his compliments, even if I'm not sure I really deserve them. ;-)-- Aldux 18:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC) reply

From words to action I see! Thanks! Just give me 1-3 days to work the answers.-- Yannismarou 08:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Are you online right now? Khoi khoi 20:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi Khoi :-) All OK?-- Aldux 21:06, 15 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Yeah, I'm good.

Could you please semi-protect Iğdır Province, and possibly fully protect Turkification? Khoi khoi 21:11, 15 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Grazie molto. Khoi khoi 21:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi. I need some help in translating/verifying the examples in Reflexive verb to Italian (plus, some fact-checking regarding Italian). As you can see, the examples should denote common usages across 5 languages, so, if the appropriate form in Italian is not reflexive, please substitute it with a reflexive one (I'll take care of the Slavic translations).

I'm posting this same message to Asterion ( talk · contribs) (regarding Spanish), so please check the edit history if he did his part before you... and watch for edit conflicts :-). Duja ► 11:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Grazie! Duja ► 13:23, 17 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Jan 2007–Mar 2007 Information

This user continues to edit from IP addresses, call users anti-Hindu and make otherwise incivil edit comments, reverting to "his" versions of articles, and refusing to discuss on talk pages.

The most recent IPs are:

• 136.159.32.50 ( talk · contribs)
• 136.159.32.63 ( talk · contribs)
• 136.159.32.176 ( talk · contribs)

Is it possible to block a class C network such that users on the network are required to log in? A Ramachandran 01:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi again Aldux, I have another move request. Can you move Hong Kong, China at the 2004 Summer Olympics to simply Hong Kong at the 2004 Summer Olympics? It's a similar situation to the FYR Macedonia page you fixed for us a few days ago. Thanks, Andrwsc 04:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Thanks! Andrwsc 16:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi Aldux. Thank you very much for your message and your intervention. You are totally right, although no incivility was intended. I guess I reacted quite straightforwardly to some obvious patterns of deception. Best regards. PHG 18:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Hello Aldux,

I appreciate your efforts in this matter as we can now focus back on furthering the accuracy of articles. However, I do petition for even-handedness here, and am concerned as to why I was the recipient of a final warning, when I have not made unprovoked ad hominem attacks at any time in the past.

You will find that I do not react uncivilly unless provoked in any exchange and that I begin all initial posts as pleasantly as possible, which is undeniably displayed by my record. If any user degrades the exchange with attacks, as was done here, then only do I change the tone of my dialogue.

Regarding the sockpuppet allegation, while I do appreciate your tip, I should note that I'm concerned enough to discuss that map and the mauryan empire article to discuss it with friends, who often assist. While I know there are those who prefer to accuse rather than discuss and prevaricate rather than cooperate, I am not one of them. If you do not believe me, which is understandable given that it cannot be proven either way, that is your prerogative. But I have far more integrity than to set up multiple accounts and to travel all over to make the same changes from different or the same IP addresses. I can assure you that sockpuppetry is neither my style nor aim and neither is violating past agreements.

I trust that you will take these points into consideration. Thanks.

Regards,

Devanampriya

Hi. I explained the reasons for the move of the Vlachs of Serbia article to that of Timok Vlachs. The article currently, deals with the vlachs of the Timok valley in both Bulgaria and Serbia. Dapiks 21:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Ciao Dapiks. I'm not objecting to the idea behing the move (that I personally find quite reasonable) but to the modalities; by using copy-and-paste you completely destroy the history of the article, and I can't consent to this. As I said in the edit summary, use WP:RM; this way, if the request passes, an admin will proceed to make the move correctly. I hope you haven't moved other articles in this way before; if you have please tell me which, so that I can restore the articles' histories.-- Aldux 21:43, 17 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi, I put in a request like you suggested. I do not think that there are other articles that I have moved this way before. Cheers. Dapiks 21:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC) reply

The title 'Timok Vlachs' is inappropriate. Contrary to what user Constantzeanu / Dapiks wrote above, the article does not deal with the Vlachs of Bulgaria. It only mentions them briefly. The title 'Vlachs of Serbia' or even better 'Vlachs of North-Eastern Serbia' is correct, because that is where they live. It is true that in Romania 'Timok Vlachs' or even more frequently 'Timok Romanians' is the preferred term for these people. But the Vlachs themselves disapprove of this term, regarding it as geographically too narrow. C0gnate 02:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC) reply

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Thank you.-- Yannismarou 20:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC) reply

The user that's been disrupting Hindu-related articles, Maleabroad seems to have registered a different account: Brownguy20 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). I posted it to AN/I. He also seems to have left you a message in a similar vein, two posts up. Thanks, Orpheus 23:01, 25 January 2007 (UTC) reply

• Can you move it back to Aksu River? Over time more info has been added about the modern river as you had asked here [71]. I cannot do the move for some reason therefore I wanted to see if you could do it. Cheers! Baristarim 19:02, 29 January 2007 (UTC) reply
• Please don't move the river. There is another river is Kazachstan with the same name, so that is why there is now a disambiguation page at Aksu River. -- Bejnar 19:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC) reply

I see. Well Barristarim, Bejnar has a point, but you can always move it to Aksu River (Turkey) or Aksu River, Turkey.-- Aldux 20:32, 29 January 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi, I just came across Chadian-Libyan conflict and it is excellent. If you get a chance, please take a look at Sayyid Muhammad bin Sayyid Hasan ar-Rida al-Mahdi as-Sanussi - the current King of Libya. The article has one reference and is very short. KazakhPol 05:48, 6 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Seeking concensus on proposed merger at Talk:Classics. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast 01:29, 8 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Those are the recent edit wars conducuted by the last supposed sockpuppet of Afrika paprika [72]. I'd like to know if it possible a semiprotecion of the related articles, an a banning of the news IP adresses. Best regards.-- Giovanni Giove 15:28, 8 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Again Afrika paprika

I'm sorry, but your action was useless. Afrika paprika has again reverted several articles, as you can see here: [73] [74] [75] [76]. Greetings. -- Giovanni Giove 16:56, 8 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Can you please semi-protect Şebinkarahisar? Thanks, Khoi khoi 15:22, 9 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Thanks again. Khoi khoi 02:46, 10 February 2007 (UTC) reply

And Italian moderator supporting Italian nationalist revising articles of Croatian historical figures. Who is next on your list for revision? Palmostić? Gundulić? Vrančić? How about Jelačić even or maybe Tudjman? -AF

For once, I'll awnser to a banned user, instead of rollbacking his edit as I should. Actually, if you wrote that Tudjman it would make no difference, because I will revert, as you are a banned user, and you have lost at present your right to edit wikipedia. It makes no difference what you write, or if you occupy yourself of French literature or obscure Italian/Croatian/God-Knows-What guys lived in Dalmatia in some time and in some place. I'm not here to mediate between Italian nationalists and you, but simply to make sure banned or blocked editors (yes, I mean YOU) don't try to break the rules by continuing to edit. I don't really care much if you believe me or not, but my wikiinterest for Dalmatia reaches very close to zero. And that's all I had too say.-- Aldux 21:25, 10 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Isn't that convenient? You don't say? How about doing your job at preventing trolls and racists like Giovanni Giove revising anything that doesn't suit them? If you actually cared about the rules and preventing Wikipedia a clean place you would actually preserve the original aricles (because that what I am reverting to for the whole time) and stop Giove and others for bringing bad name to you and all Italians. I lost my right? Yeah me being stuborn over reverting what trolls ruin is an old habbit of mine where even 3rr blocks can't prevent me, thats why I "lost my right"....what a joke. --AF

Sorry for the delay in my response. Actually, I think the article is pretty well referenced, etc. It needs a stronger and longer lead section, and it needs a picture. Those are really the only things that held me back from rating it higher. Mocko13 05:18, 11 February 2007 (UTC) reply

User:Ceha, under suggestion of User:Afrika_paprika has started a campaign of edit warring, in Dalmatia realated article [77]. He does not discuss his edits, and he changes previolusly discussed problems in a nationalistic way. The use of historical names is usual in wiki. Greetings-- Giovanni Giove 23:01, 11 February 2007 (UTC). reply

Sorry Aldux Very new in wikepedia. I am still learning! Thanks for the advise. I have asked questions in talk pages and I am waiting for responce! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Greek_Struggle_for_Macedonia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Germanos_Karavangelis Thank you ( Seleukosa 16:42, 12 February 2007 (UTC)) reply

Sourced? Are you serious? I have the books in frond of me, where on earth does it sais that Macedonomachoi where criminals? This is insulting! Kapnisma 16:57, 13 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Kapnisma, give a look at the talk page: its very clear Vbb had access at least to Karavangelis memoirs, which appear to confirm his pov, including full quotes. For this I will revert, because "this is insulting" is not the sort of arguments I care much of.-- Aldux 17:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC) reply

I do not want to repeat myself but as I told you I have Karavaggelis book in front of me and I am wondering were are those claims? Just because someone linked a source does this means that it is actually written? This is a sort of argument I do care much of. Kapnisma 17:22, 13 February 2007 (UTC) reply

In his book he writes that sometimes Greeks collaborated with the Ottomans and that this was something usual not only for them but also for VMRO. Taking only a phrase, the one that sais we collaborated with the Ottomans , is according to you a correct way of providing informations? He also clearly states the participation of Macedonians (Greek) during the fight but I don't see this mentioned by our dear vbb. Again, both Karavaggelis and Delta decribe the struggle as a fight against the Bulgarians who controlled the VMRO Kapnisma 17:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Oh! and something else in the so called genuine references our dear vbb provides, the ΕΤΑΙΡΕΙΑ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΟΝ ΣΠΟΥΔΩΟΝ that he wrote is wrong. It is spelled ΕΤΑΙΡΕΙΑ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΩΝ ΣΠΟΥΔΩΝ, the ΑΡΧΕΙΟΝ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΟΥ ΑΓΟΝΟΣ is wrong too, it is spelled ΑΡΧΕΙΟΝ ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΚΟΥ ΑΓΩΝΟΣ Kapnisma 17:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC) reply

(edit conflict)I only know that Vbb wrote this: "As I explained before, quoting Karavangelis'es own autobiographic book, his men were mostly newcomers from Greece (especially officers from the greek regular army, volunteers from Crete, various criminals that he picked somewhere and an insignificant number of locals of which one can mention only Vangelis Natsas and Kotas Hristos (so much about the "numerous locals" that joined the struggle, history recorded only a few). Dont blame me, he wrote the book." If you've got the book, and feel he gave a misleading image of Karavengelis collaboration with the Turks, then rewrite it in accordance to the text. Also remember to adress the question of the number of Greek Macedonians in the the force; if its true that it was a minority, but if you find the wording povish, you can work on that to make it more npov. As for "criminials", I suspect Karavengelis was speaking of local outlaws, that were often recruited in guerilla formations. I don't think you can accuse me of partiality towards Vbb: if you give a look at the talk, he passed half the time yelling at me, and left me a very nice salutiation before leaving ;-)-- Aldux 17:47, 13 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Well, I am sorry if you felt that I also yelled at you. It was not my intention. I started this article just to provide some info about how Greeks see this struggle and I get very disappointed when editors with your quality, and your ability, easily adopt dubious, unsourced claims. Greetings and have a nice evening! (It's 20:00 in Thessaloniki) Kapnisma 17:59, 13 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Skopje is city in Macedonia (capital city) not in Albania, so there is no reason for this; let’s imagine the situation with Tirana (capital of Albania) or any other city.

Albanian language is not official language in the Skopje city. Albanian language probably will be official language but in the future, according to Ohrid framework agreement. By the Macedonian Constitution law, ethnic minorities in the state or in the municipalities, can use their language if it is spoken by the local ethnic group, and if that local ethnic group represent more then 20% of the local population (which is case with Skopje), then that ethnic group can use their own language in communication between local government officials or state officials. But, the topological names (like towns, rivers, mountains ...) should be used as spelled in Macedonian language, which is official language throughout all the country.

By the way, there is no low for using other languages then Macedonian. But by the Constitution if for some language, different then Macedonian, there is conditions for practical use (more then 20% of local population should speak that language); Macedonian parliament should adopt special law for using that language. So we have situation: Albanian language has minimum requirements to be official but there is no low for practical use. So we must wait a little.

Sorry my friend, but I think that you are not competent to judge this question. Or may be you take a side.

" from an expert and respected editor, like User:NikoSilver"? Me?

What do I have to do to convince people around here I'm just a nationalist troll? :-)

Thanks, man. It's a comment I'll never forget, and it carries much more weight when it is said by an esteemed and working and educated and neutral and amazing and big-hearted admin like you. (and you know this is not a mere retribution) Niko Silver 23:45, 13 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Adesso mi metti davvero in imbarazzo... ;-) (E pensare che era tutto parte di un diabolico piano del mio nuovo datore di lavoro, W.E.S.U.C.K.B.A.D., per distruggere la reputazione di un pericoloso membro dell'Epsilon Team!) -- Aldux 16:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Ah, adesso capisco... Hai gia cambiato squadra huh? Che succede? Non ti piace vivere pericolosamente di piu? Ah, e auguri loverboy! Niko Silver 22:05, 14 February 2007 (UTC) reply

...too much alcohol or are we talking to ourselves lately? [78] Thanks man, I needed that laugh! Niko Silver 22:15, 20 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Ah yes, I'm afraid I'm approaching the last stage of wikiholism ;-)-- Aldux 22:23, 20 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Hey guys, I can make those maps... but only if you can get me reassurance that it isn't a copyright violation. I was asking some people before on commons, but was told that even tracing round an existing map would be copyvio (I had intended to do it for districts of Tajikistan). Francis Tyers · 08:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Those maps should be easy enough to recreate. You can get free contour outlines of the national boundaries on the web (if we haven't got them already), and the rest can be done easily in an SVG editor like Inkscape. Tell me if you need help; I've tried my hand at some map-making myself lately. The placement of the colored areas inside the maps doesn't qualify for copyright as such, so there's no legal problem if we re-create those. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Thanks a lot for your awnsers Fran and FPS. Unfortunately, I have absolutely no idea of copyright status when it comes to things other than books, which is the reason I've never uploaded a single image myself, so I can't guarantee anything regards copyvio. As for the maps, I don't need them all obviously, as they're 15, and some of these are historically innacurate. Again, thanks for anything you can do. And Fran, what do you think of Toyota War now, with the new lead? If it's ready I'll put it through a GA review.-- Aldux 22:38, 21 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Opa, sorry for the late reply. I haven't been watching your talk page. I reckon Toyota War would make a fine GA right now. I'll take another look at the maps on monday. If you could identify 2-3 that would be particularly helpful that would be good. - Francis Tyers · 16:56, 25 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Again a nationalistic edit war, about Dalmatian topics. That the behaviour of User:Kubura: [79]. It is my opinion, that he is breaking wiki rules. He wants to impose his POV, without proper discussion. He is famous for his edit warrings in English and Italian wikpiedia. Just have a look. Thank you.-- Giovanni Giove 17:36, 21 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Hi Giovanni, I'm sorry I can't help you but I'm quite fed up with all sort of disputes at the moment and also, as an Italian, would find myself uneasy in getting implicated with yet another Italo-Croatian dispute. If I can give you a suggestion, I would propose to you to try again to speak with him, and if you are unsatisfied with his awnser, try contacting another admin, somebody like Asterion, Duja or Khoikhoi.-- Aldux 22:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC) reply

Do you agree that Cham Albanians, Chameria and Chameria issue are forks of each other? Do you think it would be a good idea to merge them?-- Domitius 15:06, 22 February 2007 (UTC) reply

My request for adminship has closed successfully (79/0/1), so it appears that I am now an administrator. Thanks very much for your vote of confidence. If there's anything I can ever do to help, please don't hesitate to let me know. IrishGuy ^talk 03:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC) reply