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-- User:Martin Urbanec ( talk) 21:59, 23 November 2019 (UTC) reply

I noticed that you are changing the file names of some images in the Spanish Wikipedia. I don't know if they are automatic or not, but I bumped into es:Operación Achse and I think the reason "meaningless or ambiguous name" is not correct.

The original file name (in Italian) was "Il generale Castellano firma l'armistizio per conto di Badoglio" that means "The general Castellano signs the armistice on behalf of Badoglio" is easily understandable by native Spanish speakers. The sentence describe exactly what happens, so it is neither meaningless nor ambiguous.

The English file name supplied only describes the people in the image, but it lacks context.

Günther Frager ( talk) 23:21, 18 February 2023 (UTC) reply

The renaming was done after a request by user MrKeefeJohn. I realize your logical explanation and I have reverted the name of the file using the English translation. Actia Nicopolis ( talk) 23:47, 18 February 2023 (UTC) reply

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Meletios Kalamaras is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Chiserc ( talk) 14:08, 28 April 2023 (UTC) reply

Please do not add commentary, your own point of view, or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to Meletios Kalamaras. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Writing about religious subjects in a reverential tone is inappropriate. Wikipedia is a non-sectarian project written by editors of all or no creed and it is imperative for us to maintain a neutral point of view, even when describing those we hold in the highest spiritual regard. ~ Pbritti ( talk) 17:59, 28 April 2023 (UTC) reply

Hello, fellow wikipedian,

What exactly are you referring to with the "your own point of view", or "your own personal analysis"?

I have created this article based on the publications which I refer to in the Bibliography section, and giving the appropriate reference.

By all means, if you think that what was written about Meletios Kalamaras does not comply with Wikipedia rules, please make the necessary alterations.

Actia Nicopolis ( talk) 15:20, 29 April 2023 (UTC) reply

A couple quick pointers: when responding to someone, you don't need to address it like a formal letter or email (you can reconfigure your settings so that edits that mention you or are on your talk page don't show up as emails in your inbox). Additionally, please refrain from so many line-breaks; they often overly clutter the page and make responding to you more difficult. On the subject of WP:NPOV and how it applies to you, I'll lay out a few issues below pulling from the a revision of the article when it was exclusively written by you:

• 1.) Sourcing needs to reflect a balanced view of a subject. Someone such as Meletios Kalamaras will naturally have many, many fans and proponents who wish to honor his legacy and might even revere him as a saint. If some reliable sources paint him in a less favorable light, try to include their perspectives, too (a discussion of the pitfalls in this can be seen at WP:FALSEBALANCE).
• 2.) The writing must reflect the non-sectarian tone of Wikipedia, as described in WP:WIKIVOICE. Phrases like "the brilliant bishop" ( MOS:PUFFERY) and "his spiritual children" are not appropriate ways to phrase things on Wikipedia. You can use quotations to say something like "The priests considered themselves his 'spiritual children'" but to say so without the quotation marks would suggest Wikipedia endorses a certain point of view beyond the straight-forward facts.
• 3.) Avoid being overly laudatory. The whole article as you originally wrote it exclusively sang praises of the late metropolitan. Perhaps everyone who has ever studied and written about his life has found him a holy and good person. Naturally, an article written using exclusively positive sources will show him in a positive light. This is all well and good, but Wikipedia isn't in the business of convincing people. In this way, it is perfectly sufficient to describe someone as "adept" or "very competent", instead of drifting into the phraseology of martyrdom like "Meletios sacrificed himself" or the even more poetic "when the human element outweighs the divine, the Church does not flourish".

If you have lingering questions, let me know. ~ Pbritti ( talk) 20:45, 29 April 2023 (UTC) reply

Dear fellow wikipedian, Pbritti,

Let me express myself in the way I do. I hope I do not have to follow rules for the way I write my response in my talk page.

I am terribly sorry, but if there are any negative sources about Meletios Kalamaras, I have not traced them. By all means, please, add them in the article, when you find any.

As a Catholic, please, have a quick look at f. Erik Varden's letter to the OCSO, and his mention to the Orthodox bishop Meletios.

"Spiritual children" in our tradition, means the people who have a priest as their spiritual father.

Thank you for the changes in the article "Meletios Kalamaras", so that it complies with Wikipaedia regulations.

Actia Nicopolis ( talk) 09:38, 30 April 2023 (UTC) reply

You're welcome to format as you please on your user talk page, but bear in mind that the talk page standard format guidelines apply on other talk pages. Please also refrain from challenging another editor based on their identity (even when done in a civil manner as you have here). Your understanding with the changes I've made is very gracious and I very much appreciate your willingness to cooperate on this; I sincerely think this article can serve a good purpose and should not be deleted. I'll ask you if I see anything that I need help on! ~ Pbritti ( talk) 17:09, 30 April 2023 (UTC) reply

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