{{Cite web |title=How life has changed in Gwynedd: Census 2021 |url=http://sveltekit-prerender/visualisations/censusareachanges/W06000002/ |access-date=2023-06-03 |website=sveltekit-prerender |language=en}}
For some reason the auto-cite feature doesn’t create a citation with the correct URL from that part of the ONS website — I generally correct it manually, but clearly didn’t in this case! Thank you for bringing it to my attention. Would you mind making the correction? I’m on mobile and it’s bit cumbersome, thats all.
Enjoy the last few hours of 2023 (assuming it still is where you are!)
A.D.Hope (
talk) 21:37, 31 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Sure, I'll make the correction, though it will be sometime tonight. —
DocWatson42 (
talk) 21:46, 31 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Scotland
Hi, as someone who strives to bring articles up to Good Article status, you should know that the guidance for leads on country articles is The article should start with a good introduction, giving name of the country, location in the world, bordering countries, seas and the like. Also give other names by which the country may still be known (for example Holland, Persia). Also, add a few facts about the country, the things that it is known for (for example the mentioning of windmills in the Netherlands article). See
WPCTEMPLATE which confirms this. Also, please research the previous review of the articles good status review, which raises the lack of information regarding location in the world (i.e northwestern Europe) as a reason the article was delisted.
Goodreg3 (
talk) 20:10, 2 January 2024 (UTC)reply
The introduction to Scotland does give its name, location, and bordering countries and seas. That information doesn't all need to be in the lead sentence.
A.D.Hope (
talk) 20:23, 2 January 2024 (UTC)reply
It does not give its location in the world, it states that it is a country of the United Kingdom and talks about the geography of the
British Isles. Location in the world is where the country is situated, i.e, northwest Europe. See other articles as examples. This was flagged during a review of the articles good article status, and merely trying to bring the article back up to the status of a good article by following the guidance on lead paragraphs for countries. Your reverted edit makes no mention to the location of Scotland in the world.
Goodreg3 (
talk) 20:31, 2 January 2024 (UTC)reply
The current lead sentence is consistent with
England and
Wales. There may be an argument for including Scotland's location in Europe in the lead, but
Talk:Scotland is the place to raise that.
A.D.Hope (
talk) 20:39, 2 January 2024 (UTC)reply
And I would advocate for the position of both England and Wales in the world to also be included in the first sentence of the lead paragraph in line with all other international countries. I have raised this at the talk page on the Scotland article. Not everything has to be compared to both the
England and
Wales articles, as such, that is a matter for their respective talk pages.
Goodreg3 (
talk) 20:43, 2 January 2024 (UTC)reply
From 2009, in fairness. I think the current article is in reasonable shape, but
this is the version which passed the GA review.
A.D.Hope (
talk) 23:36, 2 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Hello my friend! Good day to you. Thanks for creating the article, I have marked it as reviewed. Have a blessed day!
To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|SunDawn}}. Please remember to sign your reply with ~~~~. (Message delivered via the
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Personally I wouldn't use the
ONS map as a source for "
official names" as they may have cut them down for easy visualising on the map. I doubt Herefordshire should be "County of Herefordshire". DankJae 02:11, 1 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Huh
What is gained by taking out information that could be seen as helpful and adding either enlightenment or educational opportunities? I really wish you could understand that.
Summerdays1 (
talk) 01:40, 14 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Not especially, seeing that I disagree with the three of you. I don't know why you can't defend your perspective on your own talk page.
Summerdays1 (
talk) 01:58, 14 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Per your user page you asked for feedback and when you ""are being a nuisance". I'd say that's now.
Summerdays1 (
talk) 02:02, 14 February 2024 (UTC)reply
My talk page is a less appropriate place to discuss this than the article talk page, which is where other editors would expect to find it. Please move back to that discussion.
A.D.Hope (
talk) 02:03, 14 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Would you continue it on my talk page? This has little to do with that one article other than yes, I disagree with your premise. If you went to many other articles on here and removed information either saying that the article's overall size was the factor or that the facts were superfluous, you would not only be hastily reverted but you would be told that your views are antiquated.
Summerdays1 (
talk) 02:40, 14 February 2024 (UTC)reply
While we do disagree - quite fundamentally, I think - on matters related to policy, process and procedure, we respect each other's content contributions.
Collaborative approaches to improve content are fundamental for me, and I hope that we can work together again in that area, present disagreements notwithstanding.
KJP1 (
talk) 23:34, 23 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks, KJP. I'm sure it took a lot to offer an olive branch, and I very much appreciate it. Our interests overlap and we're bound to bump into each other again (I was just looking at
Wightwick Manor, could be up your street), and I'd much rather it be on friendly terms. We've worked together well before, as you kindly mentioned in relation to Dolwyddelan Castle, so it must be possible to do it again!
To be quite honest I'm not sure how I got embroiled in so many drawn-out discussions at once, although Montacute is obviously my own fault. I will agree with you that I can be too dogged for my own good, and I can understand your frustration with that. It's something I'll work on. I do hope you don't really think that I just bulldoze through other editors, though. I try to think of the person behind the screen, even when we don't agree, but maybe it looks different from the other side.
A.D.Hope (
talk) 00:32, 24 February 2024 (UTC)reply
In you don't already know it, the is one of the best architectural blogs around,
[1], in my humble opinion. I doubt it would be considered RS - although I don't think I've ever tried - but it is exceptionally well-researched.
KJP1 (
talk) 18:44, 28 February 2024 (UTC)reply
I will certainly have a look. Thank you very much, KJP!
A.D.Hope (
talk) 18:50, 28 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Please Support my Wikipedia Library Request
Hi,
Sorry for using your talk page, but I couldn't think of a better way to access you. You have shown an interest in British (Country House) Architectural History. I have suggested that Wikipedians gain access to the Country Life Archive on The Wikipedia Library (
https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/suggest/). Please feel free to support this suggestion (titled "Country Life Archive (Proquest)" on the above page) if you think this is a good idea.
Hallo, Thanks for working on this but I thought the LDNP ought to be more prominent in the paragraph so I've had a go at re-wording it. There's scope for more improvement, I'm sure. I also found a source re part of NYMNP being in Cumbria, seemed worth adding to source that last sentence.
PamD 20:10, 1 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I don't mind you re-jigging my re-jig at all, but is there any particular reason for giving the Lakes priority? While we're on the Lakes, would you call them 'central', or more 'south-west'? If you take Ullswater to be approximately in the middle of the county, most of the national park is to the south and west of it is all.
A.D.Hope (
talk) 21:31, 1 April 2024 (UTC)reply
City Region articles
Evening A.D. Just so you know,
I stayed out of this prior discussion as one of the involved editors was particularly problematic (as you experienced yourself). Just so you know, that user has "retired" from wikipedia. To not get into all the drama; I'd be happy to start the conversation properly about how to handle City Region articles as they are currently incredibly inconsistent. I would have started the conversation myself, but you had done the initial legwork etc so don't want to appear to be jumping in. There has been some more
recent activity at the LCR page with interested editors. No rush of course, just a heads up.
Koncorde (
talk) 22:26, 4 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Yorkshire Dales
I don't want to edit war but I feel your changes to the lead are making it less clear and more amibiguous. The point the sentence is trying to communicate is twofold: that the national park includes most of the dales, but excludes Nidderdale; and that (conversely) it includes the Orton and Howgill Fells, even though they are not dales (i.e. not valleys). Your currently suggested wording "...except the
Nidderdale area, and the
Howgill Fells and
Orton Fells" could be taken by the reader, unless they pay particularly careful attention to the commas, to mean that all the areas mentioned are excluded, which is the opposite if what is intended with regard to the fell areas. Can we come up with a wording that solves whatever problem you have with the original wording but that is not misleading?
Dave.Dunford (
talk) 21:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I don't think there's a problem. The full sentence is 'The Yorkshire Dales National Park is a 2,178 km2 (841 sq mi) national park in England covering the Yorkshire Dales, except the Nidderdale area, and the Howgill Fells and Orton Fells.' It's clear that only the area within the commas is excluded from the national park.
If the intended meaning was that Nidderdale, the Howgills, and Orton Fells weren't included in the national park despite being Yorkshire Dales then it would read 'The Yorkshire Dales National Park is a 2,178 km2 (841 sq mi) national park in England covering the Yorkshire Dales, except the Nidderdale area, Howgill Fells, and Orton Fells.'
A.D.Hope (
talk) 22:17, 8 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I still think "except the Nidderdale area, and the Howgill Fells and Orton Fells" is distinctly ambiguous, but no matter: your newer wording is fine. Thanks.
Dave.Dunford (
talk) 10:32, 9 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Fab, we got there in the end!
A.D.Hope (
talk) 10:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Links to dab pages
I just noticed that you linked to the dab page
St Oswald from
Warton, Lancaster (and after a bit of research I disambiguated it). Just in case you haven't come across it, can I introduce the brilliant gadget which can save one from linking to dab pages? Herewith my boiler-plate comment:
There is an easy way to avoid linking to disambiguation pages: if you go to "Preferences", "Gadgets", and look under "Appearance" you'll see "Display links to disambiguation pages in orange" towards the bottom of the section. Select that tickbox, and whenever you Preview a page you'll be able to see whether you've accidentally linked to a disambiguation page.
I find it very useful.
PamD 22:51, 12 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Ah, on consideration, perhaps it was a deliberate link to the dab page because you didn't know which of them was the dedicatee?
PamD 22:54, 12 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I'm fairly sure the dedication is to Oswald of Northumbria, so I'd leave the link as-is.
A.D.Hope (
talk) 22:56, 12 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Ah, thanks Pam! I didn't actually notice, in fact I assumed there was only one Saint Oswald
A.D.Hope (
talk) 22:54, 12 April 2024 (UTC)reply