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St. Joseph High School (Istanbul)
I recently created
St. Joseph High School (Istanbul) and noticed that you have contributed to its equivalent article on the
Turkish Wikipedia. Should you have the time, I would greatly appreciate it if you might be able to translate some (or all, if you feel so inclined!) of the Turkish article over to the English Wikipedia. Thank you very much for any assistance you might be able to provide! --
Thisisbossi 05:11, 25 February 2007 (UTC)reply
I am sorry but my translation skills aren't all that well. --
Catchi? 22:12, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Two of the three are sensitive, and
thuglas is taking the whole
process personally. Finally, there has never been a standard for how much support is needed for the creation of a barnstar. The LGBT star went up with seven votes, and thuglas is threatening to post his star when he gets ten supportive votes. Thoughts? --
evrik(
talk)
Barnstar]]
Two of the three are sensitive, and
thuglas is taking the whole
process personally. Finally, there has never been a standard for how much support is needed for the creation of a barnstar. The LGBT star went up with seven votes, and thuglas is threatening to post his star when he gets ten supportive votes. Thoughts? --
evrik(
talk)
Once again, someone disagrees with my interpretation of our very loose guidelines. Now I don't mind when two users like
WJBscribe and
Kathryn_NicDh%C3%A0na, but they've taken the disagreement and posted negative comments over at that
RFC.
You asked what I meant by general picture n the Deletion Review . I meant, that the general question is whether (1) there is an region, comprised of parts of several nations, that can be called Kurdistan.& if there is, whether it has geographic boundaries such that one can say a village is in it or not in it. , or, (2) if there is no multi-national region to which the name Kurdistan can be applied, whether there is one which can appropriately be called by some other name, and if there is such a region, whether it has geographic boundaries such that one can say a village is in it or not in it.
The subsidiary question(3) is if there is such a region called Kurdistan, whether the name Turkish Kurdistan,can be applied to some part of it, or if there is a region called by some other name, whether there is a Turkish part of it. (if there is no region to which a name can be applied, then obvious there is no Turkish part of it), and that's what I meant by the questions hanging together.
I wanted the Turkish qy to be decided first, but that was only because the formal process was clearer for that question, but logically it should have been the general question first, & I have just amended that. .
I am not concerned with the question of whether Kurdistan is or ought to be a political category, except that if there is presently a political Kurdistan, then then it has a geographic region, which must at least be either the presently de facto or or the de jure area of that entity. and the question would be what name to call it.
There would then be the question of whether the geographic boundaries should or should not encompass a wider area, and under what name. DGG 18:46, 27 February 2007 (UTC)reply
please respond here, not on my p. so the Q and A can be together. DGG 18:46, 27 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Well... There are three definitions of Kurdistan.
A Country. This only exists in blogs and other unreliable sources and is not similar to entities like Taiwan or Sealand.
[2] (first hit on Google)
A mere geo-cultural area defined as "where Kurds happen to live". Some sources restrict it to the middle east. There is no single reliable source for the borders.
[3]
Kurdistan is the official name of Iraqi Kurdistan, a political body in the Iraqi federal structure with well defined borders.
[4] (first hit on Google). I have created
Category:Iraqi Kurdistan for it.
If we decide to go with #1 we would be no near
WP:V.
If we go with #2 we will run into further difficulties. Firstly we do not categorize cities by geographic regions. Secondly the area occupied by Kurdistan (according to Dictionary.com) intersects with quite a number of notable geographic regions that are not controversial (unlike Kurdistan) such as
Anatolia,
Mesopotamia,
Middle East,
Asia. None of the borders of If we do Kurdistan, we would have to do them all. There are probably others that I am not listing. --
Catchi? 01:11, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to add that Kurdistan's very existence is controversial. Turkey for instance claims a Kurdistan does not exist at all. Most world atlases do not display a Kurdistan and those that do display it do not give it borders. --
Catchi? 01:11, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Starcraft
I like the Starcraft quote on your user page. I've read it a few times now, and always thought of saying something to you about how much I like it, and I finally did today. =) --
Deskana(request backup) 03:16, 28 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Hey! Maybe we can battle some time :) --
Catchi? 15:47, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
your name
Cool cat is a very bad name for you, since you are a loser and are not cool at all. You have no life, and spend all your time bothering other people on the internet.!! —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
68.217.121.71 (
talk •
contribs)
I am a bit concerned about this article and I saw that you nominated it to be deleted. I think much of the data is a copy of the Norouz article, and the main part of the article is basically the problems in Turkey which I don't think justifies existence of it. This came to my attention after another user created yet another Norouz article about how they celebrate it in Mazandaran and said well, if Kurds have their own page, why can't we?! I would love to know your thoughts --
Rayis 14:22, 2 March 2007 (UTC)reply
Hi, I also feel the page proves to be mostly redundant. It is perhaps preferable not to have tens of articles explaining the same material. That particular article may be nominated for deletion later on. I am not very knowledgeable on the topic about the holiday itself. --
Catchi? 14:35, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey, it would be great if you could let your views known at
Talk:Norouz#Merge_2, many thanks --
Rayis 00:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)reply
Good afternoon (
GMT time); would you now like to enlist a
CfD nomination for each of the subcategories? I was originally attempting to, but failed :) you seem experienced, so I'll leave it up to you. Remember to link back to the above case page.
Do you feel a nomination is the best way to approach the issue (I am merely brainstorming). Since the start of the MedCab discussion, people participated in the deletion discussion of some of the subcategories but did not bother joining the discussion... Might it be better to raise the dispute resolution process a notch? --
Catchi? 19:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Good evening; "raise the DR process a notch" - do you mean promote it's presence, or move up the chain - eg
MedCom? anthonycfc[
talk 20:41, 3 March 2007 (UTC)reply
I don't know if Med COM is a notch up since parties appear to be ignoring the mediation... I think promoting the medcom page any more that it has would be fruitless. I was thinking of any other process - except arbcom (I want to avoid arbcom if possible, they are already busy) --
Catchi? 21:57, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi! Why did you adjust the page? :) --
Catchi? 23:14, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I thought the meter thing would point to a number if I changed the number... just playing - sorry if it caused any disruption —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
Aferwe45 (
talk •
contribs) 11:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC).reply
Hi. You can experiment with the meter here with the following code.
An AFD on this article was only closed yesterday.... --
Kendrick7talk 00:04, 8 March 2007 (UTC)reply
Well, it was renamed so there was no way for me to know... In any case a non-consensus can be challenged at any point. --
Catchi? 00:11, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
No way to know? Whyyyyyyyyyy don't people look at article histories before AfDing?
CanadianCaesarEt tu, Brute? 00:18, 8 March 2007 (UTC)reply
Because when I see something I feel is a "mistake" I act on it. On the same basis, I am more than willing to challenge any past consensus to correct what I feel is a "mistake". That's just how I am. --
Catchi? 00:22, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Your version of events is becoming inconsistent. Either you didn't know or didn't agree with the result.
CanadianCaesarEt tu, Brute? 00:25, 8 March 2007 (UTC)reply
I do not understand the reason for this weird attitude of yours. Care to elaborate? --
Catchi? 00:26, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Category:Armenian terrorism
I think there is enough material to start a category for Armenian terrorism. It starts with the
1896 Ottoman Bank Takeover, then there is the
Yıldız Attempt, assassination of Talat Pasha, then diplomats and civilians murdered by ASALA and other Armenian organizations. I want to know what you think about the category. It might face heavy resistance from certain users.--DoktorGonzo 14:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC)reply
I'd oppose such a category. Any category with the word "terror" in it is in my view bad taste.
However on the ASALA article you can explain ASALA's activities and Turkish govs view towards ASALA and let the reader decide how they feel about them.
It is the better side of valor not to name call. ;)
I think all those events should be collected under one category or we write an article that covers all of them. I am not hardcore about the "Armenian terrorism" category, I understand if it doesn't find much support. But I don't understand your last sentence, am I being accused of name calling?--DoktorGonzo 16:25, 8 March 2007 (UTC)reply
Concur. Is it possible to change a category name?--DoktorGonzo 17:12, 8 March 2007 (UTC)reply
Yes and no. It is possible to rename a category name through
WP:CfD which a bot mass retags the articles with the "new" category. It is however not possible to rename as in how articles can be renamed/moved. --
Catchi? 17:38, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Pfftt, I can't bother. Someone will chew it anyway.--DoktorGonzo 17:44, 8 March 2007 (UTC)reply
Star Trek
See
Star Trek for more info. --
Catchi? 17:38, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Wow, looks pretty. Is it based on a true story?--DoktorGonzo 17:45, 8 March 2007 (UTC)reply
OK, I said pretty but honestly that ship doesn't look functional.--DoktorGonzo 18:01, 8 March 2007 (UTC)reply
Hmm? Not sure what you are talking about. --
Catchi? 18:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Is there a reason for the speedy deletion? I use such sub pages in a sandbox manner. --
Catchi? 21:57, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Nothing linked to it, and it was a WP:NOT#MEMORIAL. I assumed you'd forgotten of its existance.
ALKIVAR™☢ 21:59, 11 March 2007 (UTC)reply
I used it when Lilo had his accident from my userpage (to keep my userspace tidy). Now I am not using it (and probably will never use it) - I would like to have the history of that as a reminder of wiki-syntax and format issues. I will alter the text so it isn't a memorial anymore. In the future I would appreciate a discussion prior to deletion ;) --
Catchi? 22:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, you deleted my edit on this post asking please not to remove sourced material. I do appreciate your point but I addressed this on the talk pages. Turkish authorities allege a link between PKK and Roj television but has been unable to substantiate that even in a thorough investigation by Belgian authorities. Furthermore Turkish domestic law is completely inapplicable - it's a Danish company, it only needs to comply with Danish, EU and international law. You can always find sources for inaccurate information. Why not remove material just because it is sourced when it is not relevant? —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
Ifonlyalabama (
talk •
contribs) 01:47, 12 March 2007 (UTC).reply
I am sorry, but wikipedia articles are not about the "truth" but instead weather or not they comply with
Wikipedia:Attribution. Any relevant information from a reliable source is more than welcome. Weather or not Turkish domestic law has an application or weather or not this can survive a thorough investigation is completely irrelevant. --
Catchi? 02:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
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criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. — Rebelguys2talk 05:00, 14 March 2007 (UTC)reply
Actually, I presume you're planning on moving this article to the mainspace sometime? I'll take off the tag for now. — Rebelguys2talk 05:01, 14 March 2007 (UTC)reply
It was originaly on mainspace. someone blanked it or something. I do not know/care at this point. The image in question may be deleted. --
Catchi? 07:00, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
vah vah ..
vah vah gecmis olsun kardes goz altına alınmıssın.. :) .. ne olmus yav dava bilem kurulmus :).. —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
Onur prg (
talk •
contribs) 20:30, 14 March 2007 (UTC).reply
Huh? Care to elaborate? I was not arrested to my knowledge. I am unaware of a case involving me either. --
Catchi? 20:34, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Orphan Tags
I am trying to gather a consensus on whether Orphan tags are necessary on wikipedia.
Please go to the page
Template talk:Orphan and fill in you opinion under the heading Please give you opinion on the Orphan tag below area of the page. Thanks
Dreamweaverjack 23:30, 15 March 2007 (UTC)reply
Help me with the new category name
Whether the Yildiz attempt or the assassinated Turkish diplomats; attacks against Turkish authorities and civilians by armed Armenian groups has been going on since late 19th century. I think I am being quite
positivist when I say we should gather all these under one cat or article. Help me with it, will you? Then again, you might have gotten tired of the heat which I can understand. —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
Doktor Gonzo (
talk •
contribs) 09:51, 16 March 2007 (UTC).reply
Why not simply categorize them as assassination attempts? That is what they are right? Also please sign your posts with a --~~~~ --
Catchi? 10:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Problem is not all of them are assassinations, and not all of them are "attempts", most succeded. Not all assassinations, there are also armed takeovers, such as the hostage event in the Atatürk Airport some years ago. It is a pretty deep list really. And don't start complaining on me just cause I forgot to sign one post.--DoktorGonzo 10:15, 16 March 2007 (UTC)reply
If my memory serves me right most of those incidents you listed are the acts of ASALA organization. Those can be categorized as actions by ASALA. As for others I am certain a certain group or another claimed responsibility. Hence categorizing accordingly is the prudent course of action. I wasn't complaining, merely reminding... I assumed you were a newer wikipedian. --
Catchi? 16:07, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Hate Site Links
I do not believe that the links that you have provided are appropriate for Wikipedia. References to "Armenian butt-kissing France" and comments like "From an early age, Armenians are taught to be victimized by Turks" reveal it to be nothing more than a hate site. Please remove these links instead of warning me for vandalism. --
Augustgrahl 05:05, 17 March 2007 (UTC)reply
I have found four additional sources with identical content. Is this adequate citation? --
Catchi? 06:36, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm looking at then now and replied to you on the afd also. My 5 days comment was just in regard to how long Afds typically might run... -
Denny 06:40, 17 March 2007 (UTC)reply
Oh sorry. :) I misunderstood you. In any case, I would welcome any assistance --
Catchi? 06:55, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I have been sorting the article. It appears there are multiple groups doing the same thing. Do you think it would be better to change the scope to include all attacks by the various Armenian groups? Or maybe 3 separate lists? --
Catchi? 09:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
The main ASALA article only has a handful of attacks listed, so I'd guess it would be probably be easier/better to make it all-inclusive for now. all Armenian groups/attacks, then it can always fork later if that gets too big. -
Denny 13:54, 17 March 2007 (UTC)reply
Hmm..
This has a lot of attacks listed, not all aimed at diplomats. Certain insignificant-looking events (such as incidents were one pesky security guard is killed) turns out to be a full fledged hostage crisis. The more I read about this stuff the more stuff that comes up. I haven't even mined half of the stuff on www.atmg.org. --
Catchi? 14:26, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Yo, would you care to assist with mining of this source?
[5]. Its too demanding work for a single person to do. --
Catchi? 09:38, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I'll try this week, but I'll be a bit pressed for time from IRL stuff the next 10~ odd days. -
Denny 01:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)reply
Ani related
Rather than clog up ANI further, I'll comment here: if I wanted to know what Armenian/Kurdish material was up for deletion, reading down the list of your Wikispace contribs looking for XfDs would be an easy way to find it. I don't know that this is how it's done, any more than you know that it's done by email, but it would certainly work. Regards,
Angus McLellan(Talk) 12:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)reply
I am not exactly certain what is it that you are asking. Are you looking for a way to scan my contribs for AfDs/CfDs/TfDs I participated in? If so you can use
Interiot's tool. --
Catchi? 13:06, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
No, what I'm saying is that anyone who looks at
this every so often will have a good idea of what XfDs you have commented in and that they may want to comment in those as well. It could be you who is doing the "canvassing" just by your (predictable) editing patterns.
Angus McLellan(Talk) 13:13, 18 March 2007 (UTC)reply
Am I being accused of something? Please elaborate. --
Catchi? 15:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
If I were accusing you of something, we'd be likely having this discussion over in wikispace. For now, I'm merely drawing your attention to the curious nature of your XfD contributions.
Angus McLellan(Talk) 15:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)reply
I was well aware of my nominations. You see a pattern in them? Thats nice. I tend to live a chaotic life. Why is it that you are pointing this out to me? And what exactly is the pattern? You got me confused. --
Catchi? 15:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I am still waiting for you to explain yourself. What's up? --
Catchi? 11:54, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey, if you don't see any issue that's all that matters.
Angus McLellan(Talk) 15:06, 21 March 2007 (UTC)reply
Ah OK, is there any other way I can help you? I am a self proclaimed template guru after all :) --
Catchi? 16:16, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually, yes, but not with templates. You're a Commons admin, and I guess that would make you an expert on transwikying stuff to Commons. I've been trying to clean out the backlog of images needing copied, but it's a bit tedious. If Commons is down, can't upload. If Wikipedia is down, can't find images to download. If the toolserver is down, can't get Magnus's commonshelper to work (and too lazy to do it by hand). If the upload server is having a bad day - and that seems to be around half the times I try - no downloads. It feels like I must be being really dim here and that I'm missing something obvious. Is there an easier way to do things, particularly in terms of grabbing the images off Wikipedia? Thanks in advance,
Angus McLellan(Talk) 16:27, 21 March 2007 (UTC)reply
There used to be this tool:
http://hdbot.velirat.de/ but it is broken right now and the programmer says he will be busy for the next 3 months with real life. Sadly commons administrators do not have any tool that is not available to regular users for such a task. So my options are the same as you. --
Catchi? 07:58, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Those commons tools look like they are exactly what what I need. Thanks very much indeed.
Angus McLellan(Talk) 08:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)reply
Glad I could be of any help. I'd like to point out one important issue though you probably already know this. When you are uploading "free images" from en.wiki to commons you are basically guaranteeing its "freeness"... So it is very important to review each and every image. People often upload non-free images to en.wiki with a free license. It would be advisable to keep a list of images you have uploaded via the tools somewhere on your userspace. --
Catchi? 15:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for the notice. These images have been long moved to commons. Other orphaned GAP images can also be speedy deleted. --
Catchi? 09:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
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Bkell (
talk) 23:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)reply
Kurdistan cat
Why are you blanket reverting me? Do you have a reason to call random cities under Kurdistan cat? If you have a reason to object my removal please state your reasons under the mediation case or else please agree with the consensus. --
Catchi? 18:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
They're not "random cities", they're cities in Kurdistan. There was no consensus to mass-remove the category from every page. Khoikhoi 03:23, 22 March 2007 (UTC)reply
There was no consensus to tag them like that in the first place. Aside from me, no one (including you) bothered to even comment on the RfC or the mediation page. If you have a rationale in reverting me, please state it on the
mediation page. Also, please study the image on the right. --
Catchi? 07:45, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Inclusion criteria: Armenian Armed organizations that are unofficial and non-governmental
You wrote that because you think my additions are not in the context of the category? Well, they have guns don't they, they even pose with them. Anyway.--DoktorGonzo 19:14, 22 March 2007 (UTC)reply
I am uncertain what you are referring to. My edit was simply establishing an inclusion criteria based on concerns raised on a
TfD debate. --
Catchi? 19:18, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I do not know enough about them to comment. If they are armed and non-governmental they would fit the categories inclusion criteria. --
Catchi? 19:27, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
They are armed for sure, the articles say they are political but I don't think that makes them governmental so I guess we can add them. It was the political thingy that got me confused, thought you added the criteria because of that. I go now, kolay gelsin.--DoktorGonzo 19:36, 22 March 2007 (UTC)reply
Category:Kurdistan mediation
A
request for mediation has been filed with the
Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at
Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Category:Kurdistan, and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to
Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible. --
Catchi? 22:26, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Cool_Cat was asking for opinions on this on IRC. My feeling is that if only you and CC are trying to do this mediation, this needs to be referred to RfAr. -
Penwhale | Blast him /
Follow his steps 20:08, 23 March 2007 (UTC)reply
I'll get some communication between cool cat and myself running; thanks for your opinions - they're greatly appreciated. anthony[
cfc 20:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC)reply
I am actually looking at this, we can discuss it on IRC right now. --
Catchi? 20:16, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
(reduce indent) no problem; I would take this case, but sadly
MedCom cases cannot me mediated by a non-committee member without making a request to the
chairperson. Good luck, and I'll be sure to pop in - the case has started to really interest me :) regards, — anthony[
cfc 22:42, 23 March 2007 (UTC)reply
Your opinion on the matter would be greatly appreciated. --
Catchi? 22:43, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Drop by if you need me - and don't hesitate! anthony[
cfc 22:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)reply
You made and uploaded the video still for the 190th/Blues and Royals friendly fire article. I need to capture a video still for another article that I'm preparing to start but don't know how to do it. How do you capture a video still into a .jpg or .gif file?
Cla68 09:34, 25 March 2007 (UTC)reply
VideoLAN has the built in function to screen capture. I use and recommend that. VideoLAN is also an excellent video player and it can even play corrupt video files to a degree. --
Catchi? 09:58, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
I would appreciate it if you could delete my page,
User:Mac Davis/Wikistress status. I'm not ever going to use it again and just didn't want to go through the hassle of putting it up on MfD. Thanks!Mαc Δαvιs (
How's my driving?) ❖ 07:28, 29 March 2007 (UTC)reply
I am sorry, I do not have admin access on en.wiki. I do not have the capability to comply. --
Catchi? 10:51, 29 March 2007 (UTC)