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I think we have our opening sentence now. A couple of things: are you a Jehovahs Witness? I need to know so I can figure out your biases, or perhaps you just don't know the issue. If you dont know the issue, why are you here? If you are a JW, I'm watching you. I'm not going to let any bias slide. Also, if you don't have a college degree, I need to know. I am a professional, educated writer. I know when an apologist is trying to damage control their religion. There are numerous statements in this article that make it seem like there are just some people out there saying there is an issue here. That is dishonest and you know it. There IS an issue here. JWS DO mishandle child abuse cases. It is a fact borne out by serious investigation. And don't think I didn't notice the spare mention of the ARC. It deserves its own subheading. It should be quoted and referred to all over this page. It is THE major event that has settled this matter once and for all. Zengalileo ( talk) 00:46, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
I took out "under fire." Why do you remove my whole sentence when you can just change the offending word? I'll just keep putting my changes back up. I dont think you know this topic frankly. Your opening sentence was no good and off topic. Mine is better. Yours would be good on an article that is about whether child abuse occurs or not in JWS. Mine also addresses the scope. This is not just "some people saying" this is whole nations doing high level court procedings. It needs to be stated right off.
I disagree. It if OFF TOPIC. Zengalileo ( talk) 01:13, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
Ok, that was an improvement. I added scope, because its not just a couple of people and courts in Wee Saw, Mississippi that say this. It doesnt get much higher than the Royal Commission and the Charities Commission. Your sentence makes it seem like its just a few locals, local media, local courts and a sprinkling of "individuals." The facts are represented in my last change. It is disrespectful to child abuse victims to downplay the scope. This is happening ALL OVER THE WORLD, not just in some local community. Think of all the victims and make sure they are ALL included, not just some. Zengalileo ( talk) 01:24, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
You are one edit behind in comments. The ORIGINAL sentence was off topic. Your recent upgrade is not bad, but still doesnt quite justify the existence of the wiki page. Zengalileo ( talk) 01:27, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
Isnt this the talk page? If there is another talk page I dont know where it is. Zengalileo ( talk) 01:28, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
The original post I came upon the other day, is worded in an apologistic manner to give the impression that Jehovahs Witnesses do not have a particular problem with the way they handle child abuse, the very first sentence, before I changed it was just a dry statement that JWS have child abuse occur within their ranks. This misses the point of the wiki page even existing in the first place. It exists because victims of crimes have been mistreated by the churchs legalistic policies. No one is saying that JWS dont have child abuse cases occur among their ranks. But JWS have denied that their elders, or the church in general, has a responsibility to physically protect children in their Kingdom Halls. I say, have it your way. Let it be known for parents to not expect any physical security in their Kingdom Halls. Therefore, it can be said, by their own wishes they DEMAND that their Kingdom Halls are unsupervised public places. They do not want, no, they insist, that their places of worship take no responsibility whatsoever for the welfare of people, even children who attend. That is THEIR words, not mine. So, the first sentence in this article only makes sense if it is said that these child abuse cases occur in Kingdom Halls as they would in any unsupervised public place. Parents beware should be placed on these buildings. We expect more responsibility to come from supervised places like schools. JWS do not want that kind of designation as it may result in law suits if they fail to provide supervision pr protection for their members, so theyd rather beg off and claim no responsibility at all, which is fine. They dont have to protect children. Just dont try coming to me saying their Kingdom Halls or the group in general just happens to experience child abuse cases like any school or place where protection of children is implied in a places name or charter. Their group wants none of that, and I say Let em. Then their places are no better than say, an unsupervised playground, or shopping mall, quite unlike other churches who step up and say, we will protect ypur kids here, and if we dont, you can sue us fpr negligence. Zengalileo ( talk) 22:30, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
You miss the point. The Jehovahs Witness subculture is an unsupervised subculture since elders beg off providing physical protection, not just in the kingdom hall, but wherever their people exist. Per the ARC, elders put all safety on the parents and officially want no part in physical protection. Period. Child abuse therefore occurs in their group in situations where elder protection would have prevented it, as when non reporting led to repeat offending, examples numerous in ARC alone. This proves the culture is an unsupervised one. Pedofiles are allowed to go unreported as they would in a shopping mall, not like a school or church where protection is assumed. And dont try telling me what my goals are. I just want accuracy, and Jehovahs Witness wikipedia editors are not capable of non bias. They are very sneaky and probably paid by Watchtower to troll wikipedia, or are members of wstchtower staff.
Hopefully you are satisfied with the last change. Your lead off sentence is terrible writing form. It shows a lack of art. It is poor comoosition style and does not serve the topic. The topic is jw handling of child abuse, not "does child abuse happen to jws." The opening sentence of any cultured work should provide context, and the reason for the article. Your sentence is just a bald fact not related to HANDLING. Therefore, why is it there? Now I have provided a decent opening line, and a connecting phrase to yours. Your line should really just be taken out as unnecessary and off topic. But with my connecting phrase it could be left in. If you remove my opening line, I'll just remove your whole sentence next and get some non JWS to help me keep it out. You are a JW right? I think in the interest of transparency and conflict of interest you should declare yourself.
Your opening line is off topic.
I think before we go any further you need to be transparent about your religion and your level of education. I was trying to preserve your original sentence but then I realized it just has to go. I have constructed one that makes sense now. The original one was just meaningless. And off topic. Zengalileo ( talk) 00:30, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
Here is an appropriate place for you to apologise for speculating about and insulting my education level, and for making farcical allegations that I am affiliated with Watch Tower. Thanks.-- Jeffro77 ( talk) 00:11, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
Granted. I officially apologise. You ready for the rest of the article now? ; )
Your recent history of edits here and on the talk page of the article discussed in the section above can be seen as being potentially problematic enough for other editors to bring their concerns to one of the administrator's notice boards for discussion. Believe me when I say, as a former admin, you really do not want that to happen. Your repeatedly expressed opinion that one or more other individuals in the discussion are in some way associated with the JW's is particularly problematic, because as an editor who has, over the years, dealt with the JW content rather regularly, I can honestly say that at no time have I ever had any reservations about Jeffro possibly being affiliated with the JW's. In fact, I think I once said he is probably the most valuable editor we have regarding this material because of his history of neutral editing on the topic.
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This is the only response I will give you regarding your inappropriate comments at Talk:Jehovah's Witnesses handling of child sex abuse. The fact that you are not as memorable or significant to me as you hope is entirely your problem and of no consequence to me whatsoever. Your personal familiarity with any particular denomination does not make you a suitable source for Wikipedia articles. I am under no obligation whatsoever to explain, justify or 'prove' anything to you, especially given your combative tone. You are welcome to question any edits to article content on their merits. If you continue to make any insinuations about my supposed motives, you will be reported to admins.-- Jeffro77 ( talk) 08:54, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
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Are proponents of mgtow allowed to define themselves and who they are and what they believe? Sure. That doesn't mean they're entitled to use Wikipedia as a platform for their beliefs. Also, is the choice between being spat on and made an eternal friend especially difficult? Cheerio! -- Sangdeboeuf ( talk) 19:55, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
So why does the article say mgtow is misogynist when mgtow does not define themselves that way. It is just name calling. In fact it's racist to call mgtow misogynist. Zengalileo ( talk) 05:41, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
You just evade the point. So far you have not addressed any of my actual arguments. And you obviously don't understand figures of speech. You're not taking the discussion seriously. Zengalileo ( talk) 06:00, 23 September 2021 (UTC)