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Hi Tony. I see you've started at rewrite of this article. Thank you. However, in the interests of article stability, I'd like to revert the article to your Revision as of 18:24, 1 August. General practice for users' conducting major rewrites of articles is to do so in a temporary sub-page. There are two options for sub-pages: you can create a sub-page of the article concerned, or you can create a sub-page in your user-space. Sub-pages are not accessed by our readers (unless they go looking for them). In article space these pages are usually called "/temp" and in user-space they are typically entitled either "/sandbox", "/draft" or "/scratch pad". If you wish, I can transfer the "work in progress" article to Talk:Australian Broadcasting Corporation/Rewrite or to User:Tony1/Draft (or a name of your choice. Alternatively, you can do so yourself. Please let me know either way ASAP so the article can be restored to stable version. -- Cyberjunkie | Talk 16:15, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for that; is it possible to append a flag to the main article, as a courtesy; otherwise, there might be two efforts in parallel. Tony
Thanks, will do later tonight. What about one of those <!-- comments --> as a warning at the top of the ABC edit box? Tony 10:03, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
Why can't the article be edited in place? The wiki is a system specifically devised so that people can collaboratively work on articles in place. To fiddle with this and set up a new system where the article is to be edited away from where it is should normally be expeced to be found seems to be against this principle.
The re-write shold be done in place because:
-- Wm 22:02, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
Well did it stop timing out on you? Anyways, with a lot of us try leaving a message on our User talk page. If we take too long to respond, THEN email. Thanks, Redwolf24 02:04, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi, am I overereacting or is Jiong theying to sneakly insert an anti-immigration POV, the references added are either nonspecific or misrepresented? Your opinion on the talk page would be appreciated. Also, thanks for you comments on the Womens project, I probably won't get it up and running anytime soon, but I'll let you know when I do. Til then I'll work on the economy article along with my many other unfinished projects.-- nixie 02:12, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi, while you were away I decided to work on Canberra to get it to featured standard. I'd appreciate a critical read through if you get a chance, there is still a fair bit of repetition left over from my reorganisation of the old text and there may be things that still should be added. On the ABC rewrite, I rarely find it useful to work in a temp page. Usually I tear up the old version in article space - but I find it's best to work in chunks with this approach so the article is still useful to the reader and I <!--comment out empty sections and editorial notes--> so the page still looks relatively complete. I'll be happy to lend a hand if you need one. Hope you had a good break. -- nixie 15:09, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
You're welcome. I found the article while looking for instances of the word "goverment" in wikipedia. Your message motivated me to take a closer look at the article, and its talk page had a question I could at least comment on. That was an interesting coincidence. Graham 10:00, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
To answer your question, the above article was suggested earlier to be merged to the main Order of Canada by a vote on WP:VFD. I cleaned up the article that I started, and people decided against merging the article. That was why it was never merged anywhere. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 16:31, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
R e dwolf24 ( talk) 00:25, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Hello, Tony1. Thanks for your support for my FAC nomination of the Lutosławski article. I am grateful for your interest. I see you are a professional editor so I welcome your input, and criticise your contribution with some trepidation, but I think you introduced factual inaccuracy and an Easter Egg link into the introduction as well as effectively deleting some implicit information. Lutosławski does not ask for any improvisation from individual instrumentalists; he did not leave any doubt over how any of his compositions is to be realised. The Easter-egg link arose when you hid People's Republic of Poland under Poland; this also deleted implicit information - the sentence was trying to make clear that the Stalinist Poland mentioned is not exactly modern Poland (there's even a separate article for it) - I've made this more explicit. His solistic works (song cycles and concertos) were the ones written for renowned musicians, you're right that it wasn't phrased clearly enough before. Finally I didn't understand what was wrong with toe the line: you certainly don't adhere to a line; again I've recast this sentence. Overall I think your edit has led to an improvement, thanks. -- RobertG ♬ talk 09:13, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your comprehensive copyediting of Hubble Deep Field! It really helped the article a lot. I have followed up with a few further revisions to some parts, hopefully to clarify more points - please do get the red pen out again if you think the text needs any more work. Worldtraveller 15:40, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
It is in fact a real brain, Tony.— Encephalon | ζ 11:23:50, 2005-09-01 (UTC)
Beautiful edits, Tony. [1] Thanks!— Encephalon | ζ 05:29:34, 2005-09-02 (UTC)
Hey, no problem! Have you seen the Wikipedia:Picture tutorial? -- RobertG ♬ talk 11:13, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
You didn't get it wrong: you just missed a bit! :-) As for sound: sorry, I've not uploaded any myself. Find an ogg file and look at its history, see who uploaded it and ask them? -- RobertG ♬ talk 11:41, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi, if you get a chance could you take a look at Fauna of Australia, I'd like one more set of eyes to read through it before it goes to FAC. Many thanks. -- nixie 05:28, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, Tony, yes it's quite gratifying. I do not see bestowing featured article status as the end of the line - you go ahead and improve the article as you see fit. If you can get a short sound sample of one of his later works without infringing copyright I'm all in favour! What about Naxos? I'm going to be taking a wiki-break; when I get access to a digital camera I shall take some photos of a few pages of full score and upload them if I am convinced that it's fair use. -- RobertG ♬ talk 07:43, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
I've carried out the requested tasks on MOND. Please review and comment/vote at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Modified Newtonian dynamics/archive1. Thank you for your kind cooperation. Loom91 17:37, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your evaluation of Thunderball. If you have time, any editing you can do to increase the quality of the article would be much appreciated. Thank you for your time thus far. K1Bond007 01:44, September 6, 2005 (UTC)
There is an unwritten rule maintained on FAC that anything that can survive the deletion process has the potential to become a featured article. I tend to agree with you that some pop culture items are vaguely idiotic and I wouldn't spend my time on them, however many contributors write about what they like rather than what is important encyclopedic content. Take a look at this Wikipedia:List of articles all languages should have, and note how many are FAs. It's quite unfortunate that FAC is the only editorial validation process that Wikipedia has ( WP:PR doesn't really count since participation is very patchy), since it doesn't tend to bring out the best in most editors or produce the best content (the criteria are poorly defined and unevenly applied), in my experience articles that have been written as a collaboration with internal peer review are usually the best. Enough rambling. -- nixie 01:26, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments. I don't have too much knowledge about the imac, but I'll critique it anyways. =Nichalp «Talk»= 08:20, September 7, 2005 (UTC)
I got your note. Thanks for your work on it, it looks great. I just tweaked some of the language (very minor), trying to preserve non-American English ;) I'm also glad you love your iMac, once you've used Mac OS X, you really can't go anywhere else!! Ramallite (talk) 03:14, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your wonderful copyedit to the Bhutan article. Makes it much better. I had linked gelid to wikitionary so that a reader might at least click it. Is your post on FAC a comment or neutral vote? =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:30, September 8, 2005 (UTC)
I just saw your comments on the Nepal talk page. I can turn my arm over for the Nepal page too, but I lack copyediting skills. Would you be amenable to copyediting Nepal if I clean it up? I hope I'm not dragging you away from your other WP tasks? =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:51, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
Would you like some comments here: Wikipedia:Vocabulary levels? It's on the levels of vocabulary that can be used in wikipedia. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:58, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
Hello, I looked over the article and did some more corrections. Could you see if there are anymore problems? Thanks. Pentawing 22:40, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
Tony, I responded on my talk page to your query about the music of Nigeria article. (I prefer keeping discussion in one place instead of fragmenting it.) I hope my suggestions might prove useful. BrianSmithson 22:25, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
Your nasty comment at the end wasn't needed, but the rest were quite helpful notes. I fixed what you mentioned, please let me know what else you see. Staxringold 01:19, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
Sorry to give offence, Stax; it was a bit naughty of me. Although my final statement was a slight exaggeration, I stand by it in principle. I'd remove mention of the school motto, frankly; the school should reword it, because the sexual overtones are inescapable in modern English. The problem is that the whole article needs serious rewriting. Can you find someone to go through it? What about one of the English staff at the school who's good at editing—surely they have an interest in it? Tony 01:31, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
It doesn't change straight to curly quotes, it only changes &#…; and &…; (and %xx) into literal Unicode characters. Which article are you referrring to? If you want a particular article to be processed by the bot in the near future, just leave me a note. -- Curps 18:09, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
Does it still have any grammar problems? Zach (Sound Off) 02:14, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
Hello! Just a heads-up - I've responded to and addressed your objections over at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Spoo/archive1. Thanks for your time! -- Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 03:43, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
Tony, it's crunch time for me over at the Spoo FAC. I have further tweaked the prose per Scott's latest suggestion; coupled with your recent edits and my adjustment of the pictures, can I look forward to a change in vote? No matter what you decide, thanks again. -- Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 23:28, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
Hello - I've already replied to and fixed the stuff mentioned in your last comment - I've just moved it up towards the middle of the nomination page so that all your comments were in one spot. --
Jeffrey O. Gustafson -
Shazaam! -
<*> 03:54, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
I've edited it slightly and added the reference to that figure. Thanks. =Nichalp «Talk»= 09:37, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
I hope you don't mind, the 'unique' award. (I'm in a rather funny mood today. :) ) =Nichalp «Talk»= 11:22, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
Firstly, many thanks for pointing out improvements needed to this article. It's rather easy to get familiar with a subject, and not realise that the shorthand is unclear to others, though those also familiar with the topic may simply find it uncomfortable rather that seeing the cause of the problem. Clarifications are in progress, it'll be a great help if you can point out anything I've left obscure in sections that have been revised.
Next, sexual selection. I've read the extract you copied, and tried with limited success to go through the linked article. Since I'm comfortable with the idea of non-intuitive or obscure mechanisms in natural selection it's a little hard to see what the fuss is about, but it is an important mechanism. Obviously organisms that don't reproduce sexually can still evolve through natural selection, and sexual selection must have an advantage for survival of offspring that offsets any disadvantage of features, and at least must be neutral. I've added to the intro to "Orchids, Variation, Descent of Man and Worms " to try to clarify this area for the casual reader. Hope this is coming together better now, ... dave souza 01:01, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
Nice rewrite, the criteria are more easy to follow now. -- nixie 01:14, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi, this was related, so I figured I'd put it in this section. on the S-mine FAC entry, the nominator mentioned you edited down the lead section. It was too long, but you made it too short. I commented on that there, but thought I should comment to you directly. - Taxman Talk 21:30, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
If you're referring to the paragraph that migrated downwards, someone else did that. It was logical, I thought, and created an opportunity to insert a few sentences at the top about the issues I raised on the nomination page. Tony 01:02, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Image:Christmas Oratorio excerpt.ogg needs a copyright tag, since I would assume it's copyrighted by the performers -- add {{fairuse}} to the image page to tag it as fair use, which should be acceptable since its only an except. Looks like you added it to the article just fine, though I think it looks kind of weird to have it in the lead like that. Is there a section in the body of the article where it would be appropriate? Tuf-Kat 17:13, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
See my talk page. R e dwolf24 ( talk) 03:04, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
I was wondering what are you trying to do at [3]. Thanks. Zach (Sound Off) 23:55, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
You might want to add your photo here: Wikipedia:Facebook =Nichalp «Talk»= 08:36, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
This edit, http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Belarus&diff=23322692&oldid=23318650, it is correct. Zach (Sound Off) 03:49, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
Pretty good. I think there should be something about the Intel chips. Also, the article is pretty technical. On one hand, yes, it's a computer article. On the other, you may want to make it a bit more user freindly. Also, the headings for the different models are long; it is currently: 4.1 iMac (Tray Loading) (aka iMac G3) 4.2 iMac (Slot Loading) (aka iMac G3) 4.3 iMac (Flat Panel) (aka The New iMac in production, iMac G4 after discontinuation) 4.4 iMac G5
Perhaps it should be: 4.1 Tray Loading iMac G3 4.2 Slot Loading iMac G3 4.3 iMac G4 <people know it as the G4, you can call it "The New iMac" in the paragraph> 4.4 iMac G5
I also think that you should put the Apple Computer (not the fruit--be careful!) sidebar (I'm not sure exactly what those things are called) . I've only seen it on the [Apple Computer|Apple]] page, but I think it should be on all of the associated pages. It looks like this (edit the page for the code):
Company type | Public ( NASDAQ: AAPL) |
---|---|
Industry | Computer hardware and software |
Founded | California ( April 1, 1976) |
Headquarters | Cupertino, California, USA |
Key people |
Steve Jobs, CEO Timothy D. Cook, COO Peter Oppenheimer, CFO Philip W. Schiller, SVP Marketing Jonathan Ive, VP Industrial Design |
Products |
Mac OS X iMac Power Mac PowerBook iBook iPod Apple Cinema Display Mac mini Xserve AirPort QuickTime iLife iTunes iWork Mighty Mouse |
Revenue | $8.279 billion
USD (
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Number of employees | 13,426 ( 2004) |
Website | www.apple.com |
Keep at it; it's coming along. Tell me what you think about popularizing the sidebar. HereToHelp 22:09, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
The above text has been cut and pasted from my page. =Nichalp «Talk»= 06:10, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
I've almost finished with Nepal. I will be starting to copyedit the article as it has a few gramatical errors. If you could take a look it would be great. =Nichalp «Talk»= 08:51, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
Could you download this image:
The URL has a link to a high res image. It would be better to get the highres image to wikipedia. The image can depict terraced farming. =Nichalp «Talk»= 06:20, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the upload. I take it that you may not be knowing about the Wikimedia commons. The Wikimedia Commons is a project that provides a central repository for free images, music, sound & video clips used in pages of any Wikimedia project. Unlike images uploaded on other projects, images on Commons can be embedded on pages of all Wikimedia projects. In other words, it is better to upload an image (*free image* only) in commons: rather than in the en: wiki. Let me share my secret in obtaining free images:
Nepal OR Nepalese OR Nepali site:.gov
Voilà! and there are your images to upload. :) =Nichalp «Talk»= 11:48, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi, if you get a chance and haven't already could you give the conservation section of the fauna article a once over, I think I'm ready for the onslaught of FAC.-- nixie 07:07, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
I don't have a problem with you rewriting it, I just put up a quick little good-for-now sort of thing. Yeah, feel free to completely change any of it. -- Berserk798 19:10, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
Thankyou for going over the article. I didn't realise that somebody else had commented, the watchlist obviously wasn't working. I have taken aboard a lot of the points and I've redone the article a little. -- Grcampbell 21:59, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi! I haven't had the pleasure of talking to you yet, but I've decided to introduce myself here, since I have a request for you, in case you want to help me. I've just placed a request for
Peer Review for the
Texas Ranger Division article, since I've been working on it for several weeks with the intention of nominating it for FA, and you'd be doing me a BIG favor if you took the time to review it. Since English is not my first language, as I re-read it I always get the feeling that something is missing or said incorrectly, no matter the amount of effort I put in it. I see that your constructive and serious criticism at the
Featured article candidates has helped the improvement of several articles to FA status, and I could really use your help... pleeeaaase?
Thanks in advance, and *hugs*,
Shauri
Yes babe? 22:24, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
The top of the article now reads simply that US 66 is (I will probably change it to "was" to be more precise) a highway. There was an objection about "famous" so I removed it altogether. "Storied" in this sense, means "talked-about", it's something you hear a lot in this part of the US, but I removed it anyway.
As for the title, the article was originally "Route 66", but it had been changed to fit in with the rest of the US highway articles. Also, "Route 66" is a generic term and could apply to Interstate Route 66, Arizona Route 66, etc. In addition, it was the name of a TV show, a song, etc. and many of these also have articles. There is much discussion about this at Talk:U.S. Highway 66 and I really don't see how the title could be changed. Thanks for the comments, I received others and I'm currently address those. Rt66lt 23:40, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
I removed the dots throughout the article, except the title, the inital line, and for links. Personally, I'm for removing them, too. But, I hadn't seen them nor worried about them. Highways are often described as US 66 for a federal highway, and postal codes for state routes (example, MO 66 = Missouri highway 66). This is becoming something of a convention. Rt66lt 00:30, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
Because the other highways have articles this way. U.S. Highway 1, U.S. Highway 101, etc. There is a current Wikiproject on the US highways and this is the standard that was established for it. If I did change it, it would likely be reverted. Besides, being a federal highway, it article should be titled the same. Rt66lt 00:35, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
OK. Pity, you could go out on a limb, and see if they complain, but I understand. It's becoming old-fashioned to retain the dots. Tony 00:39, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
Here you go.-- Rmky87 03:47, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
P.S.: Is it all right that it's a subcat of NSW?
Hi, Tony, yes I'm back: real world time pressures still present though, unfortunately. Your idea about swapping the images is a good one, I agree whole heartedly. I noticed you've uploaded a page of Symphony No. 3: the discussion of it adds a lot to the article. Any chance the image could be cleaned up a bit? - it's a bit grey. I'll probably make one or two tweaks to the article over the next day or two: there's no hurry. Regards. -- RobertG ♬ talk 09:06, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, those figs are PPP. I've sourced them from the CIA factbook. I managed to get feedback from a Nepalese wikipedian. And did he give a lengthy review! :) Its all on the Nepal talk page. =Nichalp «Talk»= 05:52, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
I have reorganized American popular music, giving it a tighter focus. In doing so, it has become significantly smaller. I would appreciate any additional comments you might have at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/American popular music. Thanks, Tuf-Kat 02:59, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Tony, I appreciate your good intentions and the urgency that made you expand the instructions. But I do think it's bloat to add specifics on one aspect of one of the (many) criteria, right next to the link to the criteria themselves. Nominators need to either make very sure to click on that link, or else several other specially important points need to be mentioned up front (which I'm against, as creating more bloat). I'm pretty sure lack of references, for instance, is as frequent a problem as lack of copyediting. Perhaps you might edit the criteria page further instead (I see you already did), to emphasize the need for copyediting? Though I also stand by my remark about it looking condescending to tell everybody to go get somebody else to copyedit before nominating. Wouldn't you agree that there are articles that are good to go directly from the hands of the author/s/..?
My overriding concern is that the instructions be kept simple and practical. Following Bishonen's Law, they will naturally tend to be always growing, as people add their own special concerns over time, while hardly anybody ever removes anything. I know Raul654 agrees with me in general, in fact it's Raul's ruthless pruning that has kept the FAC instructions so nice and simple compared to those of Peer Review. It wasn't very long since you made the additions, so it's possible that no one complained because no one noticed yet; the longer the instructions are, the more cursorily they'll probably be read, that's the problem.
I've also helped raise the standards of prose on WP:FAC, both before and after articles are nominated. For instance, some teenagers have caught a habit of asking my help on IRC ("Bish, u r a grammar nazi, will u proofread my FAC?" :-) No, I haven't heard more of those pleas since you made your changes). I've authored a number of FAs myself, see e. g.
The Country Wife and its vote if you're interested. Best wishes,
Bishonen |
talk 08:17, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
I've nominated Nepal on FAC. Thanks for editing. =Nichalp «Talk»= 10:05, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
If you want to move my post to Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates, I'd rather you didn't include the final paragraph. I only mentioned my own credentials there in case you were interested in where I'm coming from, they're less relevant on the more public discussion page for FAC. I've no wish to boast of my own FACs etc., or sound as if I think they make me more qualified to edit the instructions. Thanks. Bishonen | talk 12:59, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi Mark—So the image should go, or can the use be justified?
I wish for a nice, clear tutorial on image copyright, with a trouble-shooting section, a how-to section, and a checklist for contributors. I guess there isn't one, is there?
'Time-space' and 'time-memory': should be n dashes, because there's a vector involved?
Thx Tony 01:33, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
Thanks to your generous help, Spoo has just been featured! I'd give you a barn star, but it seems you have one already. Much thanks! -- Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 05:13, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
Say yes! Don't give up an opportunity to get more images on any subject. We have ample space, and good images are always welcome. We can always upload them into wikimedia commons. Those images can be used by another wikiproject or on another Nepal-related topic. =Nichalp «Talk»= 04:32, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
Yipee, Nepal's featured. Thanks for the cpedit. =Nichalp «Talk»= 05:34, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
The peer review is closed, but I was wondering if you could look over the article and point out any other problems. I talked to Earth about the article, and he said that he couldn't find anything wrong with it (though I am unsure about that claim). Thanks. Pentawing 20:43, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi, Tony. Sorry, that was an edit you made to the Luto talk page while I was "away" for a while, and I missed it - it fell off the bottom of my watch list! I've read it now: I like your recasting of the intro. My only query is that while the influence of Bartok is entirely obvious, that of Stravinsky and Prokofiev is less so, and they should all be discussed in the main article before being added to the intro, and referenced - do you have such a reference? I'm afraid I don't have access to my references just now. -- RobertG ♬ talk 12:00, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
I made the changes we discussed already on FAC. Would you mind taking another look at the article and see if it meets your standards? Johnleemk | Talk 14:43, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Hi, you seem to have cut back your wiki habit. Thanks for dropping in to support the fauna nomination. I've written a biography and I was hoping if you get a chance you could take a look at it, Barbara McClintock, mostly I'm concerned about the science stuff going over the readers head (gentics can be tricky- the unfamiliarity with the terminology is the biggest barrier), personally I think the text is pretty clear but could be reinforced with more diagrams. There's no rush - I'm still tinkering with the text. Thanks.-- nixie 01:50, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
I think this guy will look nice on the main page, but cleaning up the vandalism is going to be a nightmare. Thanks again for your assistance with the copy.-- nixie 02:39, 14 October 2005 (UTC)