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I have added a further question there under the heading "lineage question", and I was told you could be of help with all this stuff. I hope you can be of any help. Thank you very much.
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Hello, nice to see that you're back. I have a couple of questions I think you could help me with. What names did the second and third Barons Sandys use (Moyses and Marcus, I believe although I don't have any sources). They also had a younger brother named Lord Arthur Augustus Edwin Hill (known as Augustus?). Can you also confirm that it was the third Baron who served as Comptroller of the Household and Treasurer of the Household in the 1840's and 1850's (as stated here). According to these Wikipedia articles, Whig Government 1835–1841, Whig Government 1846–1852 and Arthur Hill-Trevor, 1st Baron Trevor (as well as the two articles above), it was his nephew Lord Trevor who held these posts, but I think they are wrong (he wasn't an MP in 1841 for a start). Tryde ( talk) 19:12, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Who is "we"? Bradley0110 ( talk) 10:35, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I've replied to your reply to my comments at Talk:Order of precedence in England and Wales. john k ( talk) 02:46, 19 August 2009 (UTC)ths 4 your help can call me hp 83065591
This needs to be reverted. Firstly, his most common name was simply Lord Denning, but secondly MOSTCOMMON specifically excludes people with peerages, who should go at the most appropriate title per MOS naming guidelines for peers (which is actually wrong in regards to how it's done irl, but meh). I was ignorant of this fact until a few months ago, when an attempted move by me was queried by a user citing the same thing. As per WP:MOSTCOMMON "The principal exception is in the case of naming royalty and people with titles". Ironholds ( talk) 21:41, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
I happen to have your talkpage on my watchlist and I couldn't help noticing Masalai's comments which seem to be personal attacks. You can always report them on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard. Surtsicna ( talk) 11:26, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
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Hi, Proteus. I added a couple of names to the article (R. A. Butler, 3rd Marquess of Lansdowne). I know that Charles Pelham Villiers declined a peerage in 1885 or 1886. Do you know what kind of peerage he was offered (a barony or more likely a viscountcy, I presume)? Tryde ( talk) 18:38, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
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Dear lady, how wonderful that you are again with us! Your old folks' home has internet access? In any case, long may you persist! Masalai ( talk) 13:08, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Per che the reverts? The Marquis of xxx is the standard spelling in Scotland for Peers of this rank, and the correct manner to address them is Marquis in Standard Scottish English. The Marquis of Huntly being the oldest of this rank extant in the Peerage of Scotland. English Marqu-es-ses may differ but these are, after all, Scottish Peerages you are looking at here. (BTW a quick google reveals 17,600,000 for the Scots spelling, as opposed to 1.3m for the English, and I know that they don't all refer to peers, but there you go!) see here http://www.british-civil-wars.co.uk/biog/hamilton.htm Brendandh ( talk) 19:58, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
G'day Proteus,
I've become involved in a discussion re the future content of Orders, decorations, and medals of the United Kingdom. I am interested in your thoughts on my and Wiki-Ed's views on this (see Talk:Orders, decorations, and medals of the United Kingdom. If you are unwilling to comment on the article's talk page, I would be just as happy to correspond here. Cheers, AusTerrapin ( talk) 15:56, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
Hi. I know that you have access to some good sources and perhaps you could help me here. Was it the 2nd or 3rd viscount Wenman who sat in parliament for Oxfordshire in 1660? Was the 3rd viscount an MP at all? And how were the 2nd and 3rd viscounts related - brothers? Regards, Tryde ( talk) 12:26, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
Based on your contributions to wikipedia related to history, genealogy, and nobility, you may find these 2 articles and debates interesting. Both articles are related, need to be improved, and might benefit from your insight.
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Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Vice_Great_Seneschal_of_Ireland
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You made this comment on Talk:Baron Latimer please could you expand on your reply here? -- PBS ( talk) 10:29, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
The recent addition made to the Earl of Shaftesbury needs a full citation. At this time, the content referring to an heir is unverifiable. While the birth may be true, it needs appropriate sourcing. I have asked Dinah to make a notation to the estate website. At that time, we can add use that source. Can you add a full citation from The Times to support the addition to the article? Cind. amuse 02:21, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Hello, Proteus! Thank you for correcting my lapsus calami in the infobox in the article about Jamila M'Barek. I was wondering, isn't she still "The Right Honourable the Countess of Shaftesbury" (since neither of her stepsons is/was married)? If she is, should we omit her name from the infobox? Surtsicna ( talk) 12:16, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
You were involved in this page being moved a while ago;
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If you look at the citation for Balfour Paul Vol IV, p383, it leads one to an online Scots Peerage, dating from 1907. P383 clearly stipulates that the 4th Duke's mother, Anne Duchess of Hamilton surrendered her titles to the crown to be regranted to her son. This happened prior to the political union of 1707, and the creation of the peerage of GB. Therefore the Earldom of Cambridge and the Barony of Innerdale stand in the peerage of England. The Duke also was also granted his Great-Uncle's title of Earl of Lanark in the peerage of Scotland. Hope this clears things up? Brendandh ( talk) 15:14, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
You restored the inclusion of Anthony Ashley-Cooper, Lord Ashley (1900-1947) to the list of earls in the above referenced article, stating "usual to list heirs who never succeeded amongst holders". However, this is not standard practice, in accordance with either WP:MOS or WP:PEER. In fact, if they were heirs, they would have inherited the title. For example, Anthony Ashley-Cooper, Lord Ashley (1900-1947) was not an heir. I've reverted your addition to the list of Earls of Shaftesbury, since he was not in fact, either an earl or an heir. I'm puzzled why you would add him to the list. It's like that old Sesame Street song, "One of these things is not like the other one." If you seriously thought it was appropriate to add him to the list, why did you limit yourself to only adding the one individual? In all things, if you want to include the lords in the article, I would suggest either creating a separate list, or renaming the section to reflect the appropriate content within the list, i.e., Earls and Lords. To include the lords, establishes the current section heading as misleading. It would also be appropriate if you were going in this direction, to include all apparent heirs, rather than just the one. At the end of it all, the inclusion in the list of earls is not in compliance with either WP:MOS or WP:PEER. Best regards, Cind. amuse 08:04, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
Hullo there. I have opened a new discussion about the styling of HRH The Earl of Wessex's children: here because their articles are currently in violation of the NPOV policy. Do please drop by and have your say (and feel free to pass on the word to other concerned parties!) D B D 21:58, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
Hey, why did you just revert this? [1] Thanks, [ stwalkerster| talk 21:18, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
You have changed this back to the original which spells 'Ramsay MacDonald' please not that this is wrong and it should read 'Ramsey Macdonald' Thank You Jam.lawson ( talk) 19:47, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
[2]. Kittybrewster ☎ 10:26, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Hello, Proteus. An edit war seems to be developing over whether the lead should refer to her as 'Lady Mary Boleyn', I was interested in your opinion? Thanks, Boleyn ( talk) 09:51, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
"Gardstein" is a Latvian name, according to you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.127.7 ( talk) 17:36, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
Hi Proteus, I see a few years back (6 years ago this month, gasp) you were involved in a debate (at Talk:Gerald FitzGerald, 15th Earl of Desmond) on renumbering some of the Earls of Desmond according to the published sources available. I've gone through some of the public domain sources that have become available since and created a proposal (or three) on how the numbering might be changed, it'd be great if you could take a look and see what your preferred option would be.
The discussion is on Talk:Earl_of_Desmond. KerryMuso ( talk) 16:46, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
See the exceptions to the common naming rule; given that this is the third time you've tried to move it to the incorrect title, could you perhaps take the hint? ;p Ironholds ( talk) 16:24, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Hi Proteus. I see that you originally added this material a year ago. Now Jimbo himself suggests it be deleted as unsourced. I have to say that I cannot easily find support for this material in the reference you cited, and for all I can tell it may be WP:SYNTH at best. But I want to make sure you know about this so that you can provide a clear source if one exists. -- BlueMoonlet ( t/ c) 03:25, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
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A baronet of first creation must swear an oath of allegiance under the Promissory Oaths Act 1868 s 14(5). Is this still the case? Kittybrewster ☎ 15:59, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Please can you have a look at the talk page? Kittybrewster ☎ 10:20, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
Why did you revert my movings of the Kathleen Kennedy and William Cavendish articles? They had rather long titles and I was making them more concise and easier for people. The whole "___ of Hartington" really isn't needed in their article titles. XXSNUGGUMSXX ( talk) 15:03, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
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Completely agree with your edit and left a note on the editor's talk (trying) to explain why the distinctions are necessary. Pincrete ( talk) 11:07, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
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The funny thing is, I now have two editors haranguing me to obtain consensus, yet neither of them is actually willing to engage in the discussion. I just keep looking at WP:V for the part that says material doesn't have to be verifiable, as long as nobody responds to the attempts at discussion made by the person challenging it. Perhaps you could show me where that bit is? Agricolae ( talk) 19:52, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
... but surely not Middlesex ? ‑ ‑ Gareth Griffith‑Jones The Welsh Buzzard ‑ ‑ 08:58, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
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I was hoping you might be able to help me with this scenario: a Baron holds two baronies, X and Y, which were inherited separately and were not created together (such as in a barony such as Baron X and Y). Baron X is considerably older than the other, thus takes precedence. Can the eldest son of the Baron hold Baron Y as a curtesy title since his father is not a single-title peer? If not, why? His father will not use this other title, so is it simply because he is a lower noble that he is not allowed to give his son a courtesy title? Otherwise, is it possibly a choice that the son can make whether or not it is proper to take the barony Y instead of The Right Honorable Mr. Z?
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Hi Proteus. You reverted changes to new vector images for these ranks with the comment that the collar numbers were wrong. Would you be able to elaborate what is wrong with them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.90.206.255 ( talk) 16:31, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
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Do you have any thougths on where I could include the information I added to the Met Police article? I agree its not as high profile as the others. I think maybe expanding this section out into its own article would be suitable but I'm not sure what to call it, any ideas?
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Can you explain what is factually incorrect about my reasons for proposing this deletion. Can you explain how the Dukedom of Leinster exists when the peerage of Ireland does not anymore (not to be confused with Northern Ireland, Ulster is in fact only recognised as an Earldom). Even then Northern Ireland does not have its own peerage. Or the notability of the individual concerned who claoms a title that no longer exists on Ireland or the United Kingdom. Tyrsóg ( talk) 17:17, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
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The article Brian Gill (rugby league) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
Non-notable rugby league player who fails WP:SPORTBASIC.
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In this edit (from almost a year ago), you stated in the edit summary: "we use numerals even for sole holders of hereditary peerages." I've been looking for a source of that rule. Can you help me? — GoldRingChip 20:55, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
Hi there, a few months ago i tried to edit Theresa May's lead section to add how she is historically ranked and you reversed it because at the time, it was only journalistic opinion in the rankings page. However, now that i have visited that page again it appears that May has now been ranked (extremely low) in the academics section. Therefore, i would like to ask if May's historical ranking could be added to her lead section now (as it is pretty important to have on there). Something like "May's ineffective leadership has been widely criticized, and historians rank her as one of the worst prime ministers in British history". Noahop3000 ( talk) 23:33, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
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