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Hi Ncmvocalist, Thanks for maintaining the assessment and peer review departments. Really appreciate it. Regards, Ganeshk ( talk) 15:41, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
Barnstar awarded at same time, moved-here.
Thank you for your warm welcome! Also, I appreciate your inputs on my assessment as and when suitable. I hope to gain on my quality of assessment as time goes on.
Now, I did some re-work on Anand. I wasn't sure if this is good enough for a B-class. I've added suitable references and re-designed the sections. Would there be any further words/comments/suggestions on this? Since, I've already put in so much effort, I'd like to take this further up on quality.
Mspraveen 07:45, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Firstly, thank you very much for the detail in commenting on the article. I certainly do appreciate that. I've made a few changes here and there keeping your words in mind. Any further comments, please do let me know.
I feel some of your comments are a bit tough on the article. I mean, if one looks at so many other Start-class articles and this one, there will be a whale of difference between them. Wouldn't there be? :) However, I wish to contribute in quality as well. So, please feel free to critique it as much as you can! Mspraveen 14:06, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello, thanks again for your kind assistance for this issue. I really appreciate it. I've made the necessary changes in the article as desired by the concerned user as well as you. Please find my comments here. Best regards, Mspraveen 17:21, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
P.S.: Maybe you should consider an awards page clearing up space for discussion here. What say?
Flower (awarded on 21 October 2007) moved-here.
Thank you very much for rating my article. :-) I have examined the list of necessary changes that you have mentioned and I promise to carry them out.
Do have a look at my views about the assessment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Iyer/Comments
Sir, I would like to mention that the article had been previously rated 'B' on the Assessment scale.
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Iyer&diff=153396646&oldid=153376157
Since then, it has undergone dramatic changes and extensive modifications have been done.Thanks!! - Ravichandar84 08:48, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thank You! :-) I've improved the article and added more references. -
Ravichandar84 10:08, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Dear NCM,
How've you been doing? Hope I can call you NCM. I was hoping to hear about your comments on Parineeta. Would time elude you or is there comprehensive commenting expected from you? I was hoping to get it to GA status and I really believe that this can be worked into atleast an A-class if not FA.
Regards, Mspraveen 09:28, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Dear Vocalist, I was being impatient and hence I have nominated Parineeta for a GA first. I'm sure the present quality is good enough for a GA. Once this is through, I'm sure other comments useful for an A-class/FA will come across during the review. I can further improve on these after the GA. Mspraveen ( talk • contribs) 04:42, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Many thanks for your patient reviews and assessments. I appreciate your candid assessment that has helped me improve this article to a GA. Thank you, Ncmvocalist! With best regards, Mspraveen ( talk) 13:37, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Templates are stored in a seperate namespace. To edit, access them with the Template tag, Template:carnatic and Template:Indian Music. For more info, see Wikipedia:Template namespace and Help:Template. Regards, Ganeshk ( talk) 06:50, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Is there anything more about this that would establish why this particular singer is notable/important. Thanks for creating the article, however I'm unable to see from reading it why its of any importance. Whatever the assertion of importance is, it ought to be cited to a reputable source. Cheers! —— Eagle101 Need help? 04:25, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Hey, i wanted to know how i can assess an article and suggest my ratings on any particular article. The instructions dont seem to help. sriks8 ( talk) 06:09, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks heaps for the review here. I took a quick look at your review, and it all seems OK and reasonable. When the stuff is done, it'll be a race to see who can pass the article first :P Also, if you haven't already, could you leave a note at GAC stating that you added the second opinion? Thanks, — Dihydrogen Monoxide 09:48, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Is it bad for an article to have multiple references from only one source, say Rediff.com? This is an issue I faced while developing the Lagaan article. Throwing some light on this will just be great! Maybe you have some thoughts to share after a cursory glance on the Developments section?
How are the last few days of the New Year coming along? Seasonal greetings! Best regards, Mspraveen ( talk) 15:07, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello there! It has been a while since I last heard from you. You busy in real life? Hope all is well.
If you are around, I was hoping if you can have a cursory glance at the Sivaji article. I've been working on this since quite a while and now, I believe that it is good for a GA status. If there are any comments that you might have, please feel free to list them out.
With best regards, Mspraveen ( talk) 06:06, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Hello Ncmvocalist! Been a while, isn't it? How've you been? Hope you are keeping well and relaxing in the weekend. Well, I have fully developed the Mr. and Mrs. Iyer article to my ability. If you can spare some time in having a look at it, I'd really appreciate it! Many thanks and regards, Mspraveen ( talk) 09:20, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
I personally do not think that the article is FA (the BEST of WP) yet and may be a GA IMO. So i nominated it for GA. I noticed you are GA reviewer yourself. If you have any suggestions to improve the article, please leave a note on my/article talk page. Regards. -- Redtigerxyz ( talk) 06:03, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Well you know how I feel about it. The sheer number of complaints about him should be enough to block him but isn't. Nobody seems to be concerned about editors such as this which are making this site a misery for many people. Then you get the ususal group of editors turning up to support him. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 17:38, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
According to the rules at Wikipedia:Requests for comment#Request comment on users, there has to be evidence that at least two editors have contacted the editor to be discussed, in this case Sarvagnaya, and tried to resolve a dispute. I'm not sure myself whether that threshold has been met, because I haven't myself seen all the evidence, although the links to the previous AN/I case might be useful there. Also, I believe that at least one editor, User:Blofeld of SPECTRE, has expressed similar qualms about that individual, and you might be interested in contacting him directly regarding the matter. If you can't produce the two required individuals, then requesting a Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts, which might be indicated here, or Wikipedia:Third opinion might be in order, if for no other reason than to establish the presence of a second editor who has tried to reason with the subject.
Regarding help filing a user RfC, if it ever comes to that, I'm not sure what help I could be. The two editors who had tried to contact the editor would be the ones to create such a request. However, I do think that much of what you had written earlier would probably be acceptable, with the additional input of the other editor. John Carter ( talk) 01:29, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi Ncmvocalist, I haven't heard from you in a while. I hope you are doing okay. Well, you know it, don't you? :) Yes, as again, I'm back with another article that I've significantly developed over the past two months, mainly the past few days.
I was going to put it up for a GA nomination. I was hoping to know if you can have a quick glance at it before I put it up. I look forward to your response earnestly. Cheers! Mspraveen ( talk) 16:58, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
In your most recent comment on Talk:Flag of Singapore, you mentioned that you would point out other issues with the article. However, you did not do so. Could you point out the issues at the article's ongoing peer review? The previous peer review was archived without receiving any feedback. By the way, the ArticleHistory template erroneously shows three failed GA nominations, instead of two. If you are familiar with the syntax, please remove the entry dated 20 January 2008. Thank you. -- J.L.W.S. The Special One ( talk) 11:06, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Nilakana Sastris book on Cholas (published in 1955) has section son their temple culture that was a precursor to Carnatic Music and Bharatanatyam. You should get it, if you already do not have it. Taprobanus ( talk) 20:40, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
hey!
i was walking through the carnatic music (EQUALLY karnataka sangeetham, _never_ karnataka music!) talk pages and must say you were cool as a cucumber all through the discussions! remarkable feet, given the amount of POV pushed around there. for the same amount of bullcrap and apparent double standards, i would have spewed flames and brimstone like Mt. Versues herself, ruining my cause! congratulations again for being so totally levelheaded..
jikes, the amount of politics involved totally numbs me! Indian history is hardly indisputable even for the one century and nerve of certain wiki'ans to "claim" a clear line of development for something that is at least five/six times old. some of my favourites are the following: all that call Papanaasam Sivan as Papanasam Shiva wanting Carnatic music to be renamed as Karanataka music et al; calling MS the greatest singer orginating from TN is not POV: gimme a break; Karnataka music: for god sake, Karnataka as it is _now_ didn't even exist when it was named Karnataka sangeetham: it's like claiming that the then Madras presidency is exclusively TN 'cz Madras is _now_ in TN; finally, calling Purandara Dasa THE founder of Carnatic music?!! what one would claim next? panini, the creator of Sanskrit? Tholkappiar, the progenitor of Tamil? and each gharana masters as the sole orignator not of their respective gharanas but of the whole edicice of Hindustani music?! My granny will be in fits..
i seriously don't know, being a tam that spent 95% of her life outside India, the amount of anti-tam sentiment in the mainland totally eludes me. its like whole of India is _taught_ to hate tams. its totally awrite if some UP simpleton from Itawa says these things, but to hear it from B'loreans?! *sighs* —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.227.207.12 ( talk) 20:34, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
You filed an Rfc against the above editor some time ago. Could you please let me know if this has been resolved as indicated by BigGabriel555 on the Rfc? If it has, then I can archive or remove it. Ncmvocalist ( talk) 04:43, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I don’t know whether you have realized or not, there is really no K gang. There is one very, very, very hard working member who represents 99% of real work out of the group (whom I have modeled myself after) and bunch of others who just simply exist. Most of these bunches of others are not even native. They are transplants from TN who due to various reasons including due to the corrosive politics of TN have a very critical mindset with respect to T related issues. This infact is an intra T squabble that is getting superimposed on a so called K vs T garb. It is such a pity that we allow the mirage to fool our selves and create a support structure for such squabbles when all what true contributors want is to be left alone to contribute. Once you understand the source of the conflict you have to respond with academic, peer reviewed RS sources to shut them up. If we don’t have such sources then we have no leg to stand on. This is my un-solicited 2 cents. Taprobanus ( talk) 22:24, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
From what you say, the editor introducing these concepts is misrepresenting the facts. I think you know more about this subgenre than I do. Badagnani ( talk) 17:56, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your message. I agree with your points, but the way a group of editors is and has been interacting is too worrisome and unless some admin steps in, a fair and representative article can not be be written. If you see the section on Origin and develpment there is virtually no mention of Tamil Nadu (not that I want Tamil Nadu to figure in prominently, but because that is the truth; but completely blocked). Whether you know it or not Haridasa "movemement" is definitely not an important or influential thing and it is not any movement. This is precisely precisely called WP:UNDUE. I'm not at all against mentioning Haridass, but not at the exclusion of all the other. True some the Haridasa were there but that is true of every big city in TN, Kerala, Andhra and of course Karanataka too. Like Mysore darbar, there were so many other "centres of power/influence", Travancore an many other Zamins etc. There are too many personal, linguistic, caste-race, political issues which cloud the need to write something that is balanced, factual, interesting and informative. Unless some admin comes in to moderate it, it is going to be difficult to make any true impact. Not that some 10 editors can not come forward and keep reverting the actions of this group of editors, but that is not how we should work and such things would only lead to endless bickering and dissipation of energy. Sorry, I've taken some time to get back to you.-- Aadal ( talk) 13:56, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
It's being taken care of. Don't worry about it. — scetoaux ( T/ C) 19:20, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I was wondering whether you would have any interest in maybe giving occasional opinions on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/A-class review section in addition to the Indian A-Class reviews. Right now, I'm about the only one who is working on that page. If you thought I would be of any use on the Indian A-Class reviews, I could add my own, often less-than-well informed, comments on at least article structure there as well in "trade", as it were. John Carter ( talk) 19:42, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
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This is, hereby, awarded to Ncmvocalist for his long-standing efforts in providing valuable reviews and assessments in the India project. Despite his low-profile, he has managed to maintain the assessment department as well help guide and motivate new assesseors like me in supporting the project tasks. You thoroughly deserve this, mister! Mspraveen ( talk) 09:43, 30 March 2008 (UTC) |
Hi, I wonder whether you had looked at the last two paras of [[ Kannada_literature#Vijayanagara period]]? Did Srinatha call his Telugu, Kannada? What is the story there? I can think of some possibilities. But I want to first get your view of what "kannada" mean in Telugu? Where exactly does Srinatha calls his Telugu, Kannada? I'm kind of assuming you know Telugu. If you don't, please forgive me or would you please give me a good pointer. Thanks -- Aadal ( talk) 22:09, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
The issue is not resolved, but the editor in question has stopped with his attacks and disruption, so I see little need to keep it open at this time. Feel free to archive it. — BQZip01 — talk 18:40, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Yo. I haven't delved into whether the reason people are striking stuff through on the RfC is valid, but it's certainly not vandalism - after three separate editors managed to get themselves indefinitely banned, marking their posts to point out the resulting slight credibility problem was suggested.
Just to let you know. Peace, Kiz o r 19:41, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Homeopathy/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Homeopathy/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Daniel ( talk) 10:09, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
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your edit here, did you move it to the subpage? Which subpage are you referring to anyway? As of this writing, your contribs history doesn't show you moved it anywhere. Why not? - ✰
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Hi, I would like to join the peer review department in Project India. Can you tell me how to do that? Rohit Reddy™ ( talk) 11:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Though I obviously don't completely agree with your preferred wording/approach, I wanted to make sure that you knew I truly appreciate your interest in my proposed principles and your efforts to improve their wording and clarify their intent. I believe the general approach is vital, both in the sense of reaffirming general wiki philosophy and as a step towards real solutions for many problematic topic areas. It is reassuring to have someone provide intelligent and considered feedback and alternatives to the proposed principles. Again, I may not exactly agree, but you are appreciated. Cheers! Vassyana ( talk) 18:14, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
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I hereby award this barnstar to User:Ncmvocalist for his contributions and maintaining the assessment dept of Wikiproject India -- ₮inucherian (Talk) - 07:10, 2 May 2008 (UTC) |
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Thanks for the clarification. The reason why i initiated the speedy delete was that i created an article on Tirumala Tourism quite a long time back and the article was speedy deleted (with the contents transfered to Wikitravel) and hence the reason why i issued a speedy delete. please clarify if tourism related pages can exist in Wikipedia (rather than Wikitravel). -- Kalyan ( talk) 00:46, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
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For being the only reviewer brave enough to offer a second and decisive opinion on an article long under review. Cheers! Eustress ( talk) 15:56, 6 May 2008 (UTC) |
Did you post that I made meritless claims? What about them was meritless, if I may ask? - Arcayne (cast a spell) 03:28, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Hello,
I read somewhere that you belong to the team that rates articles for the WP:INDIA project. I also saw that you have strict standards with regards to prose when I saw you vote on the Kannada literature FACs. You may have missed it, but I recently came across the Priety Zinta article which is up at FAC. Would you be able to please take a look at the article and let me know if it is upto the standards you would approve of or upto the normal FA standards. I am asking you because if I remember correctly, you had said somewhere that you are the leader of the WP:INDIA article rating team or something like that. Thanks. Sarvagnya 01:20, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
I didn't quite understand this remark, but I'd like to take the opportunity to thank you for your level-headed input. Happy editing.-- Thomas Basboll ( talk) 15:18, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
RE Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Clerks/Noticeboard#Arbitrator_announcements, where is the notice by jpgordon, I want to read it myself. Post a link at AC/N please. — Rlevse • Talk • 15:49, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
RE "After discussion with ArbCom, I've updated the template created by AGK to reflect all of the threads that are stale" WT:RFAR...what discussion? — Rlevse • Talk • 20:53, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
You've been providing good inputs, but here, only arb clerks can open, close cases/clarifications, archive RFARs, etc. If you're interested in being a clerk, drop a note on the clerk noticeboard. FYI, you start out as a clerk helper and it takes many months to get to official clerkship. Coren and Jayvdb are still helpers. — Rlevse • Talk • 18:37, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
hi, i found your name on the assessment team of law articles. I have been looking forward to review a number of articles of specific importance to the Indian legal system. In fact just to list a few of them, I have worked on editing the following pages
I was wondering if you could help me out with how to rate the articles by placing appropriate class template on them and also in terms of importance they carry. Cheers, Tarun2k ( talk) 12:29, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for pointing that out. I thought that thing was over already because another editor have urged him to stop [1]. And from this WQA, I am speculating that he's willing to go to ArbCom for such a minor thing.
I'll just summarize what happened between me and him quickly (so your talk page doesn't become the WQA itself). He was trying to demote a featured picture (FP) and replace it with another because they're the same subject and he believes that only one picture per subject can be FP. I told him that's not the case. Later, he trusted my comments and got opposed in Commons' FP [2] for the potential of having 2 FPs of the same subject. Because he's upset that his nomination didn't get through and he thought he trusted the wrong person (aka me), he decided to start lunging at me. Even User:MER-C, the user who closes 99% of FP nominations, came and told everyone that "We do not explictly forbid more than one featured picture per subject" [3] I still don't know why he won't drop it. OhanaUnited Talk page 14:32, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay. My internet connection went down. -- Realist2 ( Come Speak To Me) 16:46, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Cheers, if this sort of bigotry continues i will inform you, at which point a topic ban might be appropriate. -- Realist2 ( Come Speak To Me) 17:15, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
The editer has now decided to run around to various admins pretending he is the victim of some plot, vendetta or even the "Gay Agenda". Seen here. Really im tired of this. Can you resolve it, clearly hes trying to cause as much drama as possible. -- Realist2 ( Come Speak To Me) 23:14, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
I think these comments made by an administrater best sum up how tired we are with his behaviour.-- Realist2 ( Come Speak To Me) 00:02, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
I am looking into your request. I have asked Kirill how he had done it for MILHIST and await his response. We can do this using a combination of AWB/OpenOfficeCalc; if there is a program available that can speed things up, we can use that instead. Regards, Ganeshk ( talk) 03:50, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi there! Just curious to know - I noticed that even though you say that you're through 61 articles in the drive, you have not actually tagged and assessed most or all of those struck off. Am I mistaken here or was that your oversight? Thoughts? Mspraveen ( talk) 16:46, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Geez! Thanks for the clarification. I thought that I went nuts after spending eons on Wikipedia! LOL! I noticed the timely mention on the Tag & Assess page. Now that lends a lot of clarification! :) Cheers! Mspraveen ( talk) 17:07, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Thank you dear Ncmvocalist! I knew that we would do that! :) Shahid • Talk2me 16:25, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Hey. I apologize if I've gotten out of line during the ANI on Rob. I'll restate that I'm willing to step away from the debate as soon as you tell me my presence there is becoming a problem, or my conduct is deteriorating. I am, however, extremely concerned about Future Perfect, specifically this. He's personally threatened me, and stated that he is going to overrule the entire process - is he allowed to do so? McJeff ( talk) 07:04, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi there..Yes, I will manage the Assessment department while you are away. Look forward to seeing you back with some nice plans. Btw, I replied to your email. Ciao! Mspraveen ( talk) 08:08, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for trying to help with the whole attack situation. Can't say I'm thrilled about the whole mess, but I felt that I had little choice except to try. Sχeptomaniac χαιρετε 23:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know about the alert and for your opinion there! Cquan ( after the beep...) 14:18, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
FYI . Your comments are requested -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 06:05, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for handling the recent edit war/3RR violation by User:Gregbard, which as you may know is only the latest installment in a long-running conflict. Here's hoping this will de-fuse things. Zero sharp ( talk) 23:27, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Please see User talk:Vassyana#User:QuackGuru. Vassyana ( talk) 21:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I was just looking at the page and there are a couple of that need changing to personalise this for India. First, the one, two and three stripes may not appropriate for India. It would be easy to make them India specific though by perhaps replacing the star in the middle with the roundel from the centre of the Indian flag? Second, the Chevrons is a milhist specific award and should perhaps be replaced with the Indian Star? Third, do you want to make importance part of the drive? If so, perhaps mention it in the opening paragraph and instructions. All the best, -- ROGER DAVIES talk 18:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
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Yup, I figured that out, but the use of the word 'founder' in this article doesn't appear right to me. -- Madhu ( talk) 17:39, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Per User:B's suggestion and Cool Hand Luke's and my agreement, I've boldly added version 1.2) Hope you don't mind my meddling... dorftrottel ( talk) 21:03, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Well,I can see that you've decided to jump in without a full understanding of the argument being made by Geogre and others with respect to wikiproject ratings of articles. That argument is, boiled down, that people uninformed of the subject matter of the article are rating those articles based on criteria that have no relation to the article. Why is the lack of an image (for a person who died 300 years ago) or an (often-pointless) infobox relevant? Without being familiar with other possible sources of information about the specific subject, how can one say that the sources used are insufficient? And why does one editor's assessment override another's? Why is it that the opinion of someone who knows nothing about the subject is considered more relevant than that of someone who has actively researched it? And what value is there in assessing the article in the first place? Can anyone demonstrate a link between a drive-by assessment of an article and its improvement? Did you read my entry on Geogre's page about the demoralising effects of uninformed, ritualistic assessment on the people who actually write content?
In other words, I think you've proved his point. Risker ( talk) 16:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
It seems both SirFozzie and B brought up good points (RfC requested by ArbCom vs. RfC does not meet requirements). I'm not familiarized with these user issues, nor do I, unfortunately, have the time to handle this matter. I suggest you contact another administrator. Best, Nishkid64 ( Make articles, not wikidrama) 18:40, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Um... I completely lost track of that thread hours ago. A finite duration would be logical as they would circumvent anything with socks if it were indefinite. Perhaps a few weeks to a month would suffice? Going up in increments if they break it (after subsequent blocks, of course). What'd you think? Would be difficult to enforce. Scarian Call me Pat! 09:07, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi. I signed on for 200 articles but will be without internet connectivity till July 1st. Will complete my list then. I don't expect the drive to be over by then but if my remaining 100 is holding up completion, feel free to drop me from the list! Thanks. -- Regents Park ( roll amongst the roses) 19:00, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
Yup, I'll keep an eye on the article. They have violated 3RR but I don't wanna go over Jaysweet's head and block straight away. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Hopefully Jaysweet's warnings will keep them in check. Cheers again, friend :-) Scarian Call me Pat! 17:17, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Please look over these edits. I think Scjessey was disruptive (and turning up the heat) on Talk:Barack Obama by putting a WP:CRYSTAL notice around my comment ( here), contrary to WP:TALK. I reverted the edit, informed him of this here, and his response here (on my talk page) and here (on TalkL:Barack Obama) indicated to me that he might do it again. I'm now taking time out from the active discussion on the talk page to leave this note, and it's annoying and distracting. Since he's not going to listen to me and he insists that what he did is just fine, I think there are potential problems here for the future. I'd appreciate any help you can give, and if I've done something wrong here, please tell me. Noroton ( talk) 01:05, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
For your comments here. Hopefully that's a step in the right direction. And I will strive to try to take the high road and resist being pulling in by other people's incivility. I think that's a portion of the problem that occurred. 67.135.49.116 ( talk) 14:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Outstanding enabling of a disruptive sock here. Because I have to put up with these attacks, I generally get a bit cranky. When I read comments like yours, I know that civility trumps things like oh, you know, reliable sources, NPOV, other rather unimportant facets of our project. But please, attack me. It helps my street cred with the ID cabal. Oh, in case you're wondering, there's sarcasm in my tone, and I believe when I took psychiatry in Med school, sarcasm was considered, in a sense, an anti-social (read uncivil) personality trait. So you may, at your pleasure, utilize this diff to block me and enable the sock behavior of others. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 16:06, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
Mcmvocalist, can you explain what you meant when you said I had implemented "a block for incivility directed at yourself"? Which incivility directed at myself were you referring to? Jayjg (talk) 22:57, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
I have gone ahead and assigned Toibb v. Radloff a grade of "C" as a law article, and "start" as a business and economics article. I have also replied to your comments on the talk page, highlighting the parts that are most likely to benefit from a collaborative effort. Bwrs ( talk) 02:02, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
If you have the time, could you give me some advice about something totally unrelated to the Obama article? Several editors have established a consensus at the talk page of Controversies about the word "niggardly" not to include the name of a woman who was a college student when she became involved in one of the controversies. This is at least the second time it's come up. The latest editor who insists on using her name is User:Sennen goroshi. After a couple of reverts, he was invited to discuss the matter on the talk page in the section where it had already come up. The consensus didn't go his way (three or four editors want to keep the name out, no one agrees with him), and now he's adding it back against consensus. What should I do next? Incidentally, he's got some odd statements at the bottom of his user page. His talk page is also interesting, and it led me to this, which mentions a block for edit warring. Any advice? Noroton ( talk) 17:34, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
I would really rather not touch this with a ten foot pole... but it looks like you are thinking the same thing..? :( I was going to just leave it, but then I don't think anybody will respond. Just wanted to get your thoughts, if you were of the same mindset, maybe I'll test the (very creepy) waters of that discussion... -- Jaysweet ( talk) 20:18, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
I have made significant changes to "Foreign relations of India" Assess it and again rate it. Vijay Sai ( talk) 14:19, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Please note: [5], [6], and [7]. In other words, I wholeheartedly agree and hope that that will be that. Sincerely, -- Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles Tally-ho! 04:47, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I went to AN/I and the page there suggested (or so I thought) that I go to WQA to help resolve the problem. I guess I don't now this part of the bureaucracy yet.
Protonk ( talk) 05:11, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
If you don't have any particular Qs in mind, you could just go pick a few random ones from the other current RFAs. I'd rather not pick myself, since I'm likely to pick ones that will make me look good... besides, I like a challenge. :-)-- SarekOfVulcan ( talk) 16:17, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking about archiving it myself, but decided I was too involved. Probably I should not call people "retarded" on WP:WQA, heh, but I just couldn't believe how sad his attempts at retaliation were... If you want to engage in Wikilawyering, at least do your homework first! heh... -- Jaysweet ( talk) 16:22, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Actually, I think that you were one of the few people talking sense in that discussion. I'd encourage you to remain involved; what you posted was all of it sensible. Thank God someone's had the sense now to bud it off into a separate discussion. As a vaguely involved participant, the real focus of the discussion ought to be Giano's enthusiasm to create drama to further his personal vendettas. -- Major Bonkers (talk) 18:47, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Dunno if you saw the Kirill/FT2 bombshell that has everybody up in a huff ( here), but incidentally, it led me this section, which you may find of no little interest.
I am mildly disturbed that my name is mentioned (albeit only once, and in passing) in the Evidence for an RfArb, and I didn't find out about it until the final (and controversial) ruling was made and the entire community simultaneously went into fits. Strange things are afoot today, indeed... :/ -- Jaysweet ( talk) 23:44, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
This is not an attack on you, or sarcasm at your expense; but I really, honestly, think your pro-Rockpocket posts on ANI would have a better effect if you phrased them differently. For instance, didn't use "screaming" as a synonym for "disagreeing with me". I suppose you don't need a moderate word choice to please Major Bonkers, but I'm convinced you do need it if you're going to have a chance to make converts out of neutral people. Sincerely, Bishonen | talk 12:27, 28 June 2008 (UTC).
An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Yorkshirian/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Yorkshirian/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Nishkid64 ( Make articles, not wikidrama) 19:14, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I would like a unbiased opinion on the article Kulpahar. It was rated as start class and mid importance on the quality and importance scale respectively. I think this article has enough and proper information to be upgraded it to B-class article. If not so kindly inform me the weak areas of this article I would like to improve it further so that it reaches upto the B-class standard. -- Rohit Saxena ( talk) 19:41, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
could you please clarify or specify what instances you were referring to in the 'heckling' part of your comment here? Cheers - Ncmvocalist ( talk) 10:24, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for !voting on my RfA. If you supported, I'll make sure your confidence is not misplaced; if you opposed, I'll take your criticism into account and try to adjust my behavior accordingly.
See you around the wiki!-- SarekOfVulcan ( talk) 00:55, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Hello. I've seen that you responded to my friend Supaman here [8]. I hope that you can help us to finally end the uncivil, disrupting and some times vandalic behaviour of Corticopia. He's a user from Toronto, Canada that has had several accounts.
I've been trying to get the attention of an admin but all of them seem to be really busy to get involved in such a complex case. Please read my talk page. I have all the evidence I've gathered in the past months against this user.
Please, help. Alex Covarrubias ( Talk? ) 02:21, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Is there any reason why you're not a clerk yet? You seem perfectly suited for the job. Kirill ( prof) 12:35, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Why have you and other admins decided to ignore any personal attacks on Orangemarlin? Why do you think it's an issue for his mentor to handle? Is OM barred from requesting any admin assistance at all? I'm confused. Aunt Entropy ( talk) 23:30, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your support in
my recent RfA, which closed successfully. I felt the process was a thorough review of my contributions and my demeanor, and I was very gratified to see how many editors took the time to really see what I'm about and how I can be of help to the project. As a result, some editors changed their views during the discussion, and most expressed specific, detailed points to indicate their opinion (whether it was
,
, or
).
A number of editors were concerned about my level of experience. I was purposeful in not waiting until a particular benchmark occurred before requesting adminship, because I feel - as many do - that adminship is not a reward and that each case is individual. It is true that I am not the most experienced editor around here, but I appreciate that people dug into my contributions enough to reach the conclusion that I seem to have a clue. Also, the best thing about this particular concern is that experience is something an editor - or administrator - can always get more of, and I'll continue doing that, just as I've been doing. (If I seem a little slow at it, feel free to slap me.)
I am a strong believer in the concept that this project is all about the content, and I'm looking forward to contributing wherever I can. Please let me know if I can be of any help. In the meantime, I'm off to school...
Thanks again!
You state on JPGs talk page: "Those frustrations aside, you may also want to see what became of that WQA, and the gaming of the system against Kelly by a couple of users there, even though Kelly was bold enough to deal with the complaint. It justifies my assertion that there are other users (directly involved) who are engaging in the same cycle of problematic conduct, unlike what this tries to suggest."
I see only two users conversing with Kelly. I am one of them. Are you accusing me of "gaming the system?" Do you consider my conduct "problematic?" Please let me know your opinion here. These are not light accusations. Aunt Entropy ( talk) 08:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
I will strike my edits. It was not something that needed to be said on the WQA page. Aunt Entropy ( talk) 08:26, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
What in the world is WQA??? I am me93 ( talk) 21:25, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
I object to having my comment closed off in an archive box just 28 minutes after I made it. Why are you trying to prevent further discussion? Everyking ( talk) 06:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Have you seen this? It's a concern that was raised earlier this year, which is why later cases omitted the term. I'm not sure why you didn't respond or change it accordingly.... Ncmvocalist ( talk) 06:53, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Sticking this comment here, as I think it is the same case - could you link to "Catalonia", which I presume is a reference to a previous case? Carcharoth ( talk) 01:03, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
§hep • ¡Talk to me! 19:45, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for closing my RfC. [9]
In the summary, you have written: Editor blocked. As you can see, I am not blocked. I was blocked for a short while, but not because that was the outcome of the RfC. Blocking admin merely happened to mention it on the RfC page. The RfC itself died without consensus. Regards, Guido den Broeder ( talk) 08:11, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I will be alerting ArbCom to User:Ilkali's ongoing slander at some point when I have time.
I have tried many approaches to this being dealt with and all have failed.
As for the RfC on me, since I'm not aware of ever having done anything unreasonable at Wiki, I'm not at all worried what others may say, I won't even be watching the page.
I do appreciate being told about this, that's a good protocol. Cheers. Alastair Haines ( talk) 17:03, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! I had thought the "teclontz" id was automatic until I saw you did it :-). I have no idea how all of this process stuff works. I appreciate the format help. Tim ( talk) 19:16, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Alastair has been unbanned, so I figure the closure of the RfC should be re-evaluated. - Rushyo ( talk) 12:30, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for notifying me of the Wikiquette alert on me, I am afraid that I have made comments to User:Fercho85 which shouldn't have been made (Although, to be honest they weren't all that terrible). This user has repeatedly waged an edit war on my sourced edits becuase it challenges his thinking on the poulation of Argentina. I have done nothing but try to let all sides shown in these articles. I have mostly put (with a source) that 56% of Argentines have Amerindian ancestry. He says that I'm trying to make Argentina seem non-white and that I make them look like Mestizos... I haven't used that wording and now that he knows I won't give up, he wants to get me in trouble with administrators. Everything having to do with Amerindians in Argentina is obscured and deleted mostly by this user. What can I do? Cali567 ( talk) 19:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Hello, Ncmvocalist. I have seen the questions you asked at my RfA, but unfortunately work has gotten in the way of me answering them today. Its midnight here and I just finished a double-shift and I have to be back at 9am. All being well I will answer them tomorrow night. Regards, Matthewedwards ( talk • contribs • email) 07:22, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
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With thanks for archiving my old talk page messages. Sam Blacketer ( talk) 21:08, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Please do not mark edits like this as minor, and please do not remove comments added by others in good faith. You may see those as "battle" comments, but that doesn't give you the right to remove them. Please restore the comments or at least have the courtesy to go to the talk pages of the editors concerned and tell them you removed their comments. Though I see one of them blocked themselves as a violation of WP:POINT. Has everyone gone insane round here? Carcharoth ( talk) 16:03, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Hate to be such a pedant, but WP:IPA still doesn't direct to WP:Ignore personal attacks ;) [10] Rockpocke t 18:06, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Was removing this comment and closing the discussion deliberate, or was the comment meant to be included in the archive? D.M.N. ( talk) 18:32, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Have some tea. Go for a jog. Whatever you do to enjoy yourself. Afterwards, reconsider the wisdom of this. Antelan 18:37, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I get your point on going over to suspected sock puppets, but, frankly, considering that about three of the anon IP's have been from Comcast accounts, and you can renew your IP with comcast, so as to change what you show up as, it's not likely to help. The wording of the user showed familiarity with POV, and an automatic attack on me for POV, when I have not edited any portion of the VMI article, except for typos and a coordinates error, since april. We have had what seemed to be similar editors getting very disrespectful of information being added that was reliably sourced, and then making claims based on law, which were not supported by the laws they cited. Their comments were always about watering down VMI, and accusation of POV against me and User:Rillian, so, to see a new IP editor start that in his second edit, how am I to assume good faith? I almost took it to mediation, but, because it didn't rise to that level, nor the specifics that mediation requires, I decided to bring it to wikiquette. I think it will start again, either with the same IP, or another comcast account, sometime around noon EDT today, as that was the edit pattern before.-- Vidkun ( talk) 14:51, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
I am handling those reports; please do not unarchive them again. El_C 03:43, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Final note (hopefully) (Note: initially created as a separate section; moved back here as it's to do with the same thing) Since you have now manually archived the ANI thread which you initiated against me, where you went on to describe me as a "so-called admin" and asked that "a sysop please sanction this one for being disruptive" (which I feel was way out of line), I think a final note is due.
1. I have been an editor for almost four years and an admin for over three years (top ~50 by number of blocks/protections/deletions).
2. I have closed more threads at AN3 and AE than almost any other admin, and those involve more serious escalation of disputes than ones reported at WQA. So, I feel I'm more than competent enough to deal with those disputes (or "alerts") reported on WQA that I choose attend to.
3. Thus, effectively undermining my efforts, by re-opening reports I archived ( [11] [12]) without trying to clear it with me first —especially seeing you were already hostile toward me and ought to have tried limiting interaction with myself, not over-righting my edits— was problematic.
4. I'm not sure that you have internalized the input provided by other uninvolved admins in that ANI thread, especially, Fut.'s, who wrote that:
The main problem here seems indeed to be WP:OWNership of WQA by Ncmvocalist. I've briefly looked at a few cases and find the closings by El_C entirely reasonable, and the source of the revert-warring clearly on Ncmvocalist's side. (See: "ownership by Ncmvocalist")
5. WQA is meant to be "run by regular editors" not run by regulars "and needs more [not less] editors to help with the alerts." That means those regularly attending to reports there, especially, should try to be mindful of that. And, it should be a given that one ought to avoid tempering with the closing of reports handled by editors that one exhibits a priori hostility toward (you failed to acknowledge this last point).
Now, if you wish to move past this, I believe it would be best to leave this note unrefactored and to avoid a defensive response regarding the details. And seeing as we have a preexisting tense relationship, in the future, next time you see me handling a report at WQA (or anywhere, for that matter), do what you ought to have done the 1st time: anything other than overrighting my edits. Thanks. El_C 16:54, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
I've noticed the past couple of days that you seem to be really touchy and maybe a bit stressed out here at en.wikipedia. I hope that it's nothing serious IRL. Have a great day. -- Rocksanddirt ( talk) 04:54, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Why not strike/retract instead of remove the section? user: Everyme 10:18, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
What is this about? See the thread on the talk page. — Rlevse • Talk • 21:38, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your suggestion on my talkpage. I have left messages at both S and C's talkpages. I have suggested that they liaise with you if there are any questions/clarifications with regard to A's proposal, since I am extremely disinclined to communicate with the editor any further (although I am available to you, S and C). I see that I have also un-necessarily smeared you with the title of admin, for which I blame a lack of attention... Cheers. LessHeard vanU ( talk) 09:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
May I suggest that one more part of the agreement be added: "# User:Sesshomaru and User:Collectonian are not to edit User talk:Abtract (or any of his user sub pages)." I was going to just add it myself, but I'm not sure if that'd be bad process. -- JHunterJ ( talk) 16:13, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
You are the only one who considers the AN/I report "resolved" so please stop trying to stop discussion just because it has turned into a question of your part in this. It isn't appropriate at all. -- Collectonian ( talk · contribs) 15:41, 21 July 2008 (UTC)