Hi mtiges - good work on uploading the additional Sydney AFL club jumpers, I've used them to fill in the gallery on the Sydney AFL page. Just one note though, you might want to change the boilerplate on the page for each image so that there's a fair use rational filled-in. Otherwise, they get deleted (as do all copyrighted images without a fair-use rationale).
AaronRichard ( talk) 04:34, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
Cheers Aaron. I've added a "fur" to each jumper that has a copyrighted logo. Those without don't need one. The jumpers themselves were my own creations. Also UNSW-ES and Balmain have new designed jumpers (see their respective wiki page). Mtiges ( talk) 07:17, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Template%3ARound16-AFLformat&action=historysubmit&diff=434899878&oldid=434562827 Please revert this change. Look at what you did with your reversion on the Foxtel Cup page. 124.181.73.144 ( talk) 03:05, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
The code was changed to muck up the template. I will again undo the change to correct the code and template. Mtiges ( talk) 09:06, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Your "edit" stuffs up the arrangement of the boxes for the Semi-Final and Grand Final parts of the code. Mtiges ( talk) 16:12, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
Not everyone uses Internet Explorer and even so if you click on the 'compatibility view' it'll "fix" what you are claiming as an error. Your editing of the code stuffs up the template for those who use other more reliable browsers such as Firefox. Mtiges ( talk) 08:13, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
YOUR edit stuffs up the template for virtually all browsers - Firefox, Safari, Opera, Google Chrome and IE9 in 'compatibility view'. Anyway Stonyisalegend has corrected it. Mtiges ( talk) 13:06, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
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I am responding to a third opinion request for this page. I have made no previous edits on the template in question, and have no known association with the editors involved in this discussion. The third opinion process is informal and I have no special powers or authority apart from being a fresh pair of eyes.
I can confirm that Stonyisalegend's fix works for both Firefox 5 and IE8, which is the result both of you should have been trying to get from the start. You both had valid points, but your versions were both broken (Mtiges's in IE, and the IP's in Firefox). We want as many readers as possible to be able to view our content, and so any template that doesn't display correctly in all browsers is a problem. Next time, I would suggest both of you try to find a solution that works for everyone instead of just reverting until you hit WP:3RR. I don't think there is any more need to comment on this issue, but in case either of you is not satisfied I will be watching this page for a while. All the best.—— Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 08:00, 2 July 2011 (UTC) |
I'm grateful it has been fixed by Stonyisalegend and appreciate your third opinion Mr. Stradivarius but it would never have got this if the unidentified user actually made some attempt to specify that the error was appearing in IE non-compatibility view mode. He made no attempt whatsoever to offer any explanation despite being wrong himself. It is difficult to take someone who hides behind a IP address seriously. I use Firefox and other non-IE browsers and if I use IE it's in compatibility view so I wasn't seeing any issue and no other editor had mentioned any problem in the six months since the template was created (I'm not a mind reader). Anyway I'm glad it's all fixed now and time to move on. Mtiges ( talk) 04:21, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
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Hey there Mtiges, thank you for your contributions! I am a bot, alerting you that non-free files are not allowed in user or talk space. I removed some files I found on User:Mtiges/League Championship Cup.
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Fair use criteria added to image FoxtelCup.png. Re-instated to Foxtel Cup pages. Mtiges ( talk) 14:03, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
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I am in the process of going through the non-free jumper images you uploaded in the past few days and removing many of their uses. We have significant restrictions on where and how non-free images may be used, which precludes usage for mere identification of the team as was the case in Foxtel Cup, for example. Please let me know if you have any questions about this. VernoWhitney ( talk) 18:33, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
Firstly, these jumpers are not for "mere identification". They are the team's specific jumper which is unique to each club and is a crucial element of each club's culture. It's not like Soccer where in recent decades official logos were put on plain coloured jumpers where supporters still relate to the plain coloured jumper (eg: the red of Liverpool, blue of Chelsea). Australian Football jumpers often have animals or symbols incorporated into them. It's part of the actual jumper design (not simply a logo addition). I'm presuming you're not Australian as you would have already known this otherwise. Carlton Football Club for instance has had a CFC monogram in the middle of their jumper since 1908! You just can't pretend these animals and symbols don't exist; I repeat it's actually part of their jumper design! Putting a token generic plain coloured jumper without the animal or symbol on it as a replacement is meaningless as well as inaccurate as it would have nothing to do with that particular club and no one who follows Australian Football would recognise it as a club's jumper if they visited such club's wikipedia page. You might as well delete virtually every jumper on every Australian Football wiki page based on your reasoning. Some clubs have stripes, some have hoops, some have animal designs, some have monograms, etc. All could technically be argued as "mere identifications" of each respective club if we were to go down that path.
Secondly, there is inconsistency with what jumpers you have decided to delete and those you haven't even though the argument you're trying to put forward would apply to all of these jumpers if it was valid. For example, the Sydney Hills Eagles jumper is a copy of the clash strip of the Perth-based professional (AFL) football club West Coast Eagles as the Sydney club has an affiliation with the professional club. The West Coast Eagles jumper is still allowed on wikipedia on multiple pages yet not the Sydney Hills jumper. Makes no sense whatsoever! There are numerous examples where Australian Football jumper designs incorporate their club's logo into the design - the yoke of the Sydney Swans jumper with the red "vee" and the Sydney opera house is also their logo (the jumper preceded the current logo) while GWS has the "Big G" on their jumper. As I said you'll be deleting most jumpers on wikipedia at this rate.
Thirdly, most of these deleted jumpers had existed on wikipedia for a number of years without issue and in some cases had been given the okay by other wikipedia mods in the past. It gets frustrating and tiring having to discuss and argue with mods, who come along long after the event and long after these images had been originally contributed to wikipedia, who delete images with no knowledge of what has gone on before and with no knowledge of Australian Football and its culture. Interestingly, this usually occurs during our Australian summer and hence Australian Football's off-season when those that contribute to Australian Football wikipedia pages aren't paying regular attention to these pages and so return later on only to find images deleted from their pages and the period for dispute discussion expired. So you have to start again and go through the whole process once again. It's only lucky I had kept copies otherwise these jumper designs would have been lost for good. I see now the Tuggeranong jumper has been nominated for deletion on Christmas Eve a whole 3.5 years after it was added to wikipedia and the reason for it being deleted is incorrect as the hawk is totally different to the club's logo and the pic you've used as justification for deleting it is from 5 years ago I believe and of a jumper they no longer wear. The only problem there is the jumper image needs updating on wikipedia which I can do.
It's fair enough to demand non-free rationale and copyright disclaimers for these jumpers where appropriate but to bar them completely from wikipedia (which is the implication of what you're suggesting and doing) and in such an inconsistent manner and in some cases years after they were submitted is utterly ridiculous and overkill. Anyone with a ounce of commonsense would see it as so! Mtiges ( talk) 12:02, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
The two notifications above this discussion - File:Springwood Pumas Jumper.png and File:Sandgate Hawks Jumper.png - were allowed after I was told to include "a suitable explanation or rationale as to why each specific use in Wikipedia is acceptable" for each non-free image. Both images have animals on each jumper and have since been allowed to be displayed on each club's wikipedia page as well as on the pages of the respective leagues they belong to.
It should be noted that many of the jumpers I've contributed during the past few weeks were originally contributed as free by other users and did originally reside on Wikipedia Commons for a number of years. They were deleted recently because another mod (or bot) classed them as non-free images and removed all of them altogether from wikipedia. Hence, I was just re-contributing them this time as non-free images with a suitable rationale for each specific use where they were originally located. The West Coast jumper which is still listed as free and on the Commons was not deleted even though there was no policy difference for the others deletion while this and other similar jumpers remained. On the other hand, the removal of the Wollongong Lions and Pennant Hills Demons jumpers from various pages now has them classed as orphans and signaled for deletion (see notifications below our discussion).
There are many other similar images of jumpers which are listed as free on the Commons that in future could be classed by some mod as non-free due to having elements of club logos incorporated into the jumper design. Brisbane Lions, Sydney Swans, Gold Coast Football Club, Carlton Football Club, Greater Western Sydney Football Club and West Coast Eagles jumpers all fit into this category and that's just in the professional AFL competition page. In my opinion any future removal of these jumpers from the AFL wikipedia page would seriously undermine and diminish that page's contextual significance Wikipedia:NFCC#8. For anyone who follows Australian Football this is obvious for traditional, cultural as well as identity reasons and why contributors to these Australian Football league pages have all followed the same procedure of including club jumpers. You instantly obtain an easy to understand and follow overall picture of each league competition (as you do with other sports on wikipedia that include jumpers on their league pages). It's not done just to make each Australian Football wikipedia page look more colourful and pretty to the eye. This in my opinion also applies to all Australian Football state leagues as well - SANFL, WAFL, Victorian Football League, North East Australian Football League, Tasmanian Football League, Northern Territory Football League and Sydney AFL along with the Foxtel Cup and TAC Cup - many of these state league clubs are affiliated with professional clubs and hence share similar identities (colours, monikers, logos and jumpers). For the past two decades the AFL controls and run Australian Football from top to bottom. Nothing in Australian Football is independent of it. It is all interconnected. I would add for the Foxtel Cup pages that the jumpers are a record of which clubs have participated in it since the competition began in 2010 and a record of what name they used and jumper they wore at that time. For instance, the Northern Bullants have since changed to the Northern Blues and from a red jumper with an white ant to a navy blue jumper with the CFC monogram in keeping with its affiliation with the Carlton Football Club.
Other sports too have parts of their logo incorporated in their jumpers. Melbourne Victory in Australia's soccer competition, A league, has the "V" from their logo on their jumper while Melbourne Storm in the NRL has lightning strikes from their logo on their jumper. There seems to be only an issue with animals and monograms on Australian Football jumpers with certain wikipedia mods.... hmmm!
If we are going to get so technical about copyright status of each particular item on wikipedia, then it should be noted that the
AFL owns a total of 278 registered trade marks such as the names, nicknames, logos, uniforms (which includes jumpers), players' images, etc... Technically any and all of these could be classed as forbidden if a strict adherence was followed as the whole jumper design is the property of the AFL. No club can make a change to its jumper without strict permission granted from the AFL. Furthermore, each non-pro league also has final say over each club's identity (name, moniker, colours, jumper design, etc) allowed within its respective league. I run a
Richmond Football Club supporters' forum and website and, unlike wikipedia, we are not allowed to display our own club's logo nor that of the AFL even if we were to exactly follow wikipedia policies and state the images were non-free, were the property of the AFL, etc. I can tell you the AFL and its legal department are ruthlessly protective of its trademarks and would have come down on wikipedia like a tonne of bricks long ago if it deemed wikipedia was violating the use of AFL intellectual property and branding. They don't because wikipedia is presenting the information in an encyclopaedic manner which isn't a breach of any copyright law. As a website owner myself, I truly appreciate the need to be vigilant in trying to protect wikipedia from any legal risk but in this case regarding the Australian Football jumpers it is way over the top. It will lead to jumpers being removed from the various state league pages as right now these pages look incomplete and unfinished with only some clubs having jumpers and while others don't. A reader of the
Sydney AFL page right now would think there's only six clubs in the premier division rather than the actual twelve. So it looks like we're forced to either have incomplete looking pages with missing jumper info here and there or remove all the jumpers entirely. Now that is ridiculous when accurate information is removed!
ps. It appears different mods vary greatly in their interpretation and judgement of wikipedia policies relating to Australian Football and for a contributor this is very frustrating. One mod will give something the okay; another mod will state that various restrictions apply to this same item; while another forbids the same item altogether. This has not just been in relation to these jumpers either. I once contributed a image of the design plan for the redeveloped Carrara stadium (File:Newcarrara.jpg - see above notification). The old stadium had been totally demolished and so the old stadium pic became irrelevant as it was long out of date and incorrect. Despite similar design plan images being allowed on wikipedia for other stadiums undergoing redevelopment around the world, one mod took exception to this one particular image. I had to take it further up the wikipedia mod channels to finally get the issue resolved and in the end the image was allowed to remain (of course until a free real-life image of the completed redeveloped stadium was taken when construction was finally completed). All we ask for is consistency!
pps. I notice the jumper image on
Newcastle United F.C. contains their logo and sponsor albeit they are tiny. Likewise
Chelsea_F.C. and
A.C. Milan's jumper images have tiny adidas logos on them. In each case no non-free rationale has been supplied despite the use of logos. I don't see the wikipedia mods deleting these!
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If the copyright holder were to upload these jumpers onto Wikipedia Commons and allow free/public domain usage would this alter things?
If these jumpers were shrunk so that the 'offending' image on the jumper was ineligible and then uploaded onto the Commons would this alter things? Mtiges ( talk) 10:52, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for that info, Verno. Do you have an example on Wikipedia, or wherever else for that matter, of what constitutes a verifiable release of a design into the public domain or under a free license by a copyright holder? I can contact the various clubs who are the copyright holders but I want to be sure and specifically clear what is required from them before contacting them. Mtiges ( talk) 17:41, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
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Jumper has been put back. It shouldn't have been removed by the person who last edited the Palm Beach Currumbin Australian Football Club page. Mtiges ( talk) 15:09, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
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I would've thought checking for code errors (by someone else) in a recently edited article that contained the image would've been looked at and corrected first before mods sent messages about deleting images.
I've corrected the typo in the code so this image is still being used. Mtiges ( talk) 10:48, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
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