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Hi, I noticed that your recent edit to Vernon Coleman seems to have accidentally broken one of the references - specifically the one with name "asa". BTW, thanks for reverting the POV-pushing by some editors on that article. Autarch ( talk) 14:12, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi, re: Vernon Coleman This article on Vernon is a hatchet job from start to finish: and you know it fine well. It doesn't belong on Wikipedia in that POV form: either he is notable, or he is not. He is a delightfully idiosyncratic, well-liked, anti-establishment iconoclast, not some kind of hard core fanatical conspiracy theorist (whatever that is, presumably someone who disagrees with your own version of the facts) My view is that the whole article is a serious breach of the Wikipedia rules on living persons biographies, in no small part because he is not a criminal or a raving lunatic, and not a threat: but an author who you might even describe as a science fiction writer or story teller, someone who certainly doesn't fit into conventional mainstream science writing, but is stimulating, communicates well to a wide audience and always has something interesting and provocative to add to a debate. I find it petty and unpleasant in tone, and as you seem to know so much about him, I'd urge you to tone it down a bit. Excalibur ( talk) 18:52, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Spamming allegation. I wish to make a formal complaint about your misrepresentation and spurious allegation re SPamming for which you purport to be issuing a warning.
No 1 I have not been Spamming No 2 I wish to appeal your warning to say you are conflicted is an understatement and I will be requesting an independent adjudication. No 3 I said I would add the revised lede is no one wished to engage in the process and get the consensus process going, you have ignored the very clear statement I made to that effect. RogerGLewis ( talk) 12:02, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
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My response... I guess all these statements have some veracity. The problem is not the facts: I don't deny them. Vernon is indeed, an irascible old rogue and thorn in the side of the establishment: I don't think even he would deny that! The problem is the highly selective use of them: this can also constitute a form of bias or prejudice. You see this a lot of wikipedia these days: an even more egregious example is [1] 's page. Both Boris and Vernon are wildly popular authors with their own readership and followers, because they both help to make some kind of sense of an, at times, very confusing and conflicted world. We are not all top scientists, authors, or politicians. And yet, these people are popular, and their supporters and admirers come here looking for a few facts and basic biography, not a rant. Our problem as editors is not to rubbish them or focus entirely on their weaknesses and flaws, but to try to be be fair handed. They are both fellow human beings, after all, and we all have flaws. My own POV is that this page on Vernon is too harsh and selective with the truth: and that doesn't help wikipedia make any friends - that's all. Excalibur ( talk) 23:12, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
I mean, imagine a page about some science fiction/ fantasy author, or a children's author of tall tales: would we focus on the fact that Jack could not have climbed a beanstalk, because the maximum height and girth of a beanstalk is 10 metres and 38 centimeters, or instead focus on the delight this story has given to millions of young readers? Sure, Vernon is a bit random, he loves to speculate, and some of his theories may be totally wrong, but how sure are we: how sure can we ever be? I mean when we look back at the history of medical science, we find disaster after disaster: from the contaminated blood scandal, to lobotomies, and the gross misuse of antibiotics. Our entire asylum system, that locked away millions of disabled individuals, was at one time unquestioned, and it is odd that it was the much reviled Enoch Powell who was willing to challenge it. We find doctors and opera singers who promoted the benefits of tobacco - the process of science is not about orthodoxy, it is the fun of provoking alternative ideas and criticisms: even if they are a bit silly at the time, some of them actually are correct. Lets go a bit more gentle with our dissidents and freethinkers, please! Excalibur ( talk) 20:19, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
... I was directing the IP editor attempting to legitimize the crackpot theories to WP:FRINGE - not you. Your calm adherence to AGF is a model for us all. Cheers. Ifnord ( talk) 02:45, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
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