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Hello, I'm Robvanvee. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, This Is How We Do It, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Rob van vee 09:49, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Please do not add or change content, as you did at Song 2, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Rob van vee 11:30, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at Minority (Green Day song), you may be blocked from editing. Rob van vee 13:14, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced material to Wikipedia, as you did at Pepper (song). I've asked nicely, you've flat-out ignored me. Next step WP:ANI Rob van vee 17:54, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Hi. I've said it repeatedly in my reverts and messages above but perhaps a personal note is what is required to help you understand WP:CATV, a policy you are disruptively violating. Please familiar yourself, thank you. Rob van vee 11:33, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread can be found here. Rob van vee 09:16, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
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. El_C 10:30, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
@ El C: I was going to suggest a block on this editor. I don't have a problem with the categorization, but there is never any mention of song key in text, nor any reference to the key. They are on an unstoppable mission and I suggest a longer block. Brunswicknic ( talk) 10:38, 21 February 2021 (UTC) I suspect they are a sockpuppet of Encyclopædius Brunswicknic ( talk) 10:48, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
This isn't really an area of the project I am too familiar with so as to even attempt to comment on about different socks, so WP:SPI would be the venue for that if you feel you have a strong case. But can either of you point to a problematic diff? Because I looked at a random one, and it checks out. Sorry, I don't really have time to otherwise engage in the investigation end of things. El_C 05:16, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
None of the other editors have an objection to the category, it is the complete lack of evidence to back up the categories that means we do not accept what could be a completely wrong assignation. If you can find a secondary reputable source to the key of the song, fantastic, put it in, use the categories. Otherwise you are behaving poorly and likely to have sanctions imposed. Brunswicknic ( talk) 07:25, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
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I'm so sorry; when I saw your most recent edits, I assumed incorrectly that you were continuing what you had done before. But I should have looked more closely; those songs were indeed mentioned as being in the key of A in the article. Again, I am sorry. --jpgordon 𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 07:17, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
Hello, I'm ResolutionsPerMinute. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Don't Know Why, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. You added citations before. Why are you stopping? ResPM ( T🔈 🎵C) 12:08, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I've noticed you've been adding song key categories to articles in many cases where the key is not mentioned anywhere in the article (and hence fails WP:CATV). Examples:
It's troubling to see from your talk page that other editors have warned you about this repeatedly before, and that you've even been blocked for this. Please try to be more careful in the future. Colin M ( talk) 22:45, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Update: I noticed you restored the category for Gangsta's Paradise while also adding a citation. Definitely appreciate that, but I'm a bit confused about how the given source verifies the stated key of C minor. At https://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtd.asp?ppn=MN0026618 the only place I see key explicitly mentioned is in the "Original Published Key" field, which is given as "Eb Major". Am I missing something? Colin M ( talk) 22:56, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Hey, could you please slow down? You're still very rapidly adding categories, and in many cases these additions still include errors. e.g.
here you cited a link to sheet music for Beyonce song in an article about a B-52's song. I think it also bears discussing how to properly handle songs that aren't uniformly in a single key. e.g. the "Composition" section of
And I Love Her says A majority of the composition shifts back and forth between the key of E and its relative minor C#m. It also changes keys altogether just before the solo, to F. The final chord is a D major.
It seems odd to translate that into
Category:Songs composed in C-sharp minor.
Colin M (
talk) 23:10, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Not sure if you're reading these, but if you're going to add text to a song article about the key it's written in, it's probably more appropriate to add it to the body (typically in a section like "Composition") rather than the intro, since it's generally not a key piece of information that needs to be part of the summary provided by the intro (at least in the case of pop songs). Example edits:
(Also, the Manual of Style advises straight quotation marks rather than curly ones.) Colin M ( talk) 00:20, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi Mdgds! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at Sexual Healing that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia – it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. Muhandes ( talk) 16:01, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
Please stop adding a second citation to musicnotes.com. The first one is adequate. Binksternet ( talk) 22:12, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello, Mdgds. Please be (much) more careful with your addition of musicnotes citations. I reverted
your edit at
Rock Lobster because it pointed to music for "Baby Boy", a song by Beyoncé. You had the names backwards anyway (|last=Beyoncé
|first=Knowles
, etc.), which is why I noticed it.
Then at " Gangsta's Paradise" I find your edit to do multiple inexplicable things at once:
|last2=Stevie
|first2=Wonder
, etc.), as above.|last5=L.V.
|first5=Coolio feat
, which you apparently blindly copied from the performers' names.|last=
|first=
when, because there are multiple authors, they should use |last1=
|first1=
(this is the least of our worries, since the citation still works)....key of C minor.<ref>...
". This would also be minor if I didn't see from your history that you appear to do this always.|date=2003-01-27
, but I see no indication of this date at the page pointed to. Wherever did you get this? It looks entirely made up, which is the opposite of "reliable".I've reworked the "Gangsta's Paradise" citation, but it still says "C minor", which I invite you to fix or remove. But: Could you please, please pay closer attention to what you are doing, familiarise yourself with the proper use of the citation templates, and view the results before moving on to the next article? I think you are going too fast to be doing good work. Better is: slower work, but higher quality. Thanks, — JohnFromPinckney ( talk / edits) 12:51, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
I am beginning to reverse your work in categorizing songs by key, using WP:CATDEF as my guide. For most of your contributions, the song's key (music) is not important to the topic, not definitive. Binksternet ( talk) 15:56, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
I'm sorry to be so loud with this section, but I am outraged that you continue to add the same broken citations and make the same glaring errors over and over AND OVER again. You appear to have ignored everything I said in the Sloppy Musicnotes citations section above; you made no reply and, as I see by your contributions today, you have made no improvement. Not even a little bit. Let me detail the items again, this time from my remedial work at Build a Bitch:
|last=Danny|first=Maisonneuve
when it should have been |last=Maisonneuve|first=Danny
.|last=
|first=
when, because there are multiple authors, they should use |last1=
|first1=
(this is the least of our worries, since the citation still works).|date=2021-06-03
, but I see no indication of this date at the page pointed to. Wherever did you get this? I'm still not seeing it.Now everybody makes mistakes, so you are allowed to make your fair share. But I looked at some of your other contributions from today and (excluding the category-only edits (which Binksternet reverted), every SINGLE DAMNED edit where you added a Musicnotes citation made these same stupid errors. Your edit to Good for Me (song) credits Snow Tom, Grant Amy and Gruska Jay, among others; in your (ungrammatical) edit to Afternoon Delight, you credit the authorship of the Musicnotes page to "Bill, Danoff; Band, Starland Vocal"; and in this edit to I'll Be There (Jackson 5 song), you write, "The song is played in a F major key..." (where "a" should be "an") and then credit this information to "Hal, Davis; Bob, West; Berry, Gordy; Willie, Hutchison; Jackson 5, The; Michael, Jackson", in which you once again transpose first and last names, include the performer as one of the supposed writers, and arbitrarily add Michael Jackson,—I mean, Jackson Michael—to the list of writers, although his name appears NOWHERE on the cited source.
Please, PLEASE either learn to do this stuff correctly, even if it takes you much longer to do per article, or STOP DOING IT ALTOGETHER. This extremely sloppy work is tedious to fix (when we notice it), looks bad to readers who wonder who's writing this encyclopedia, and is a general disruption because of the extra work it generates for others. Slow down or stop—those are my best suggestions. — JohnFromPinckney ( talk / edits) 21:39, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
Edits where you add an entire section like here are not minor, so please do not mark them as such. Adding a whole citation to MusicNotes as you've tended to do are not minor edits. Unless you're fixing a typographical error or changing no bytes of data on a page, you're probably not making a minor edit. Please see Help:Minor edit for what constitutes a minor edit. Thank you. Ss 112 12:17, 19 December 2021 (UTC)