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Xx236 ( talk) 13:12, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
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Diannaa (
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Baki Tezcan proved that Mehmed was the son of Kösem in "The Debut of Kösem Sultan's Political Career" in 2007. This is the most recent historical thesis and currently shared by historians, thus surpassing that of Leslie Pierce on which I believe you are based. So the firstborn and first son of Kosem and Ahmed is Mehmed, not Aise. It is correctly indicated on the pages of Ahmed I, on the same page as Mehmed and on wikis in other languages. Unless you can provide further evidence that is more valid or up-to-date than what you state, please stop deletion without explanation whenever I try to refresh the page as if you are the sole holder of knowledge on the subject and please note that there might be something you don't know and that others do. I have provided the source and explanation for my modification, you have not. If you have an incontrovertible source I'm wrong, provide it. I accept the possibility, but I want the source and proof that it is certain beyond doubt. If, on the other hand, you do not have any, they are outdated or simply give another historiographic interpretation but they are not incontrovertible then leave my modification and limit yourself to indicating in a note that the matter is controversial if you not avere with maternity attribution. Wikipedia grows with everyone's contributions, you are not the only owner of the page and deleting all the changes of others or asking for changes to be blocked makes you seem very immature, especially when you have already been reprimanded for violations. Thank you.
Hello, and please accept my apologies for the inconvenience. The issue with Sehzade Mehmed is that he is not mentioned as the son of Kösem in any of the contemporary sources of any traveler or ambassador. Ahmed married Kösem in 1605, and she gave birth to her first daughter, Ayse Sultan, in the same year. In 1616, the Venetian diplomat Bertuccio Valier stated that the sultan refused to allow the two eldest princes (Osman and Mehmed) to converse with Kösem. It would be absurd for Ahmed to refuse her request to communicate with any of her sons, especially given she was close to him at the time and had a lot of influence over how the state was administered.
The second and last reason was that Osman II ordered Sehzade Mehmed's execution. Who, like Ahmed, was deeply devoted to Kösem. If Osman really wanted to kill her sons, he would have murdered Murad, Suleiman, Kash, and Ibrahim as well, but he didn't because he respected her.
I don't consider this page to be "owned" by me; I simply wanted to spread the word about her and her life to as many people as possible. Everyone is invited to make an edit, but please double-check your facts before doing so, and consult reliable sources such as Leslie P. Pierce and other renowned historians and researchers on the subject. We're searching for facts, not assertions.
If you have anymore inquiries, please do keep on contacting me. Thank you very much. Jacob Historian ( talk) 17:33, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
This is my reasoning, yes, but also an example of how, starting from the same sources, it is possible to arrive at different conclusions. I am training as a historian, specializing precisely in the use and interpretation and analysis of sources, and I have often found myself in front of equally prestigious historians who, from the same sources, had drawn very different reasoning and interpretations, but both well argued and valid, and therefore neither of the two was neither eliminable nor to be considered irrefutable at present. I was also taught that it is also necessary to take into account that many documents have not been published and that, assuming you know their existence and location, you must consult in person. This is not always possible, so much information is still unknown or little known, but documents could easily be discovered that debunk the current theses. Not to mention the problem of source selection itself, another thing that separates LP and BT here, as I mentioned earlier.
Hello, Jacob Historian. This is to let you know that your repeated addition of "curly quotes" to the article Kösem Sultan is disruptive and you should stop it. Wikipedia uses "plain quotes" like this: "elder" - not "curly quotes" like this: “elder”. Another example: it should be 'Visage of the Moon', not ‘Visage of the Moon’. Please see MOS:CURLY. Many people have corrected your punctuation, but you persist in restoring the curly “elder” type of quotation marks. Please stop it. You requested page protection, but you are the one who is "ruining the format". -- MelanieN ( talk) 00:57, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
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