I should inform you, Rosie, that after enthusiastically participating in Women in Red for almost nine years, I have decided it is time for me to turn my attention to other matters, in particular new (and older) page patrol, assisting new editors, reviewing and assessing OKA translations, and helping with new projects such as Elit. My top priority has always been to avoid any kind of editing conflict but in the light of recent developments, I am finding this increasingly difficult and lack the resilience shown by Roger. I have noticed the enthusiasm of several more recent contributors and think it is time we should benefit from their assistance in ensuring the success of the project. I hope they will find it interesting to become more involved in welcoming new members, maintaining our showcase, press and research listings, and above all in selecting topics and ideas for effective future focus. I will of course always be happy to offer assistance to anyone who contacts me although I will not be creating any more new articles about women myself. Maybe I'll feel like returning when things are more settled but for the time being I am simply no longer sufficiently motivated. I would however like to thank you most sincerely, Rosie, for the outstanding leadership you have ensured in maintaining and promoting the project on a global basis. It has always been a pleasure to collaborate with you on WiR and other projects. Drop me a line if ever you think I can be of assistance. Happy editing!--
Ipigott (
talk) 06:10, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Dear
Ian, I am so s-a-d reading this. I can't imagine not working with you at WiR. I appreciate you and what you have done so much and I believe
Roger and everyone at WiR would say the same. I need time to find more words. Right now, I'm gobsmacked. --
Rosiestep (
talk) 14:42, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Don't worry, Rosie. I think you'll see that other enthusiasts will be ready to help things along. I looked at MSGJ's proposal to delete all our earlier templates and could see he had already received substantial support from his friends. Unless he withdraws his proposal, it looks to me as if they will soon be deleted. Like most other contributors, I edit on Wikipedia because I enjoy it. Over the past two or three months, I have been faced with an increasing number of situations which seemed liable to cause disagreements, in some cases with participants who have made major contributions to the project. I have never been happy dealing with potential disagreements and conflicts and have therefore decided I should devote more time to supporting other areas in need of attention. While I will not be creating any more new articles on Women in Red, I might nevertheless try to improve and update past contributions, especially lists. And I'll still be around for you and anyone else who thinks I can help with anything. Thanks for your concern, Rosie. I appreciate your kind thoughts.--
Ipigott (
talk) 15:48, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Well I am also disappointed and I know I'm only posting a new article every day to one of the projects. I'm surprised that you didn't raise your specific point about me, with me, before posting here, but that is your choice. Our last exchange was about how much I valued your contribution. I remain faithful to you and hope that you may reconsider or at least have a discussion. The point about templates has been keeping me awake and I had some suggestions.
Victuallers (
talk) 15:52, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Sorry,
Roger, I was trying to hold on as long as possible without complaint but the developments yesterday convinced me that I could no longer participate successfully under the evolving changes. Your earlier unwarrented treatment was also one of the reasons I decided I needed to move õn. Day after day I come across your NPP additions accompanied by your phenomenal number of edits. I'm afraid we're just no longer being taken seriously by those who should be supporting our efforts. It seems to me the project needs a new boost of enthusiasm from younger participants such as those who have supported the recent changes and all the other new Wikipedians who have joined the project over the past few months. Let's hope they can live up to our expectations. I'll always remember your original proposal, Roger, about targeting more women as a fantastic idea which as you know is the reason I have devoted the last nine years to trying to move forward on women and their works. To some extent we have progressed but we need new incentives if we are to make any significant impact. I have not completely abandoned the project but will no longer be creating new articles. "You can't teach an old dogs new tricks" (and this dog is really old). Happy editing!-
Ipigott (
talk) 18:15, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Ipigott, I (a not-so-young editor) am very sorry to read this news and admit that I, too, found the number of changes and how they were introduced and implemented most disturbing. Editing is supposed to be enjoyable and some of the past months has been anything but, until I shared my concerns with Rosiestep by email. I was on the point of walking away from the May prep myself until I realised that WIR as a whole and the editors led by @
Rosiestep and @
Victuallers need the behind-the-scenes editors to make our Event pages and so on to keep the project alive. I will miss your active participation at WIR, you will always be welcome back. I wish you well for your future editing.
Oronsay (
talk) 19:11, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Oronsay: I too wondered if I should discuss these matters by email but I finally decided it would be more useful to comment here and on mu own talk page where anyone interested would be able to follow my reasoning. I have really appreciated your regular involvement in helping to firm up our month-by-month events and to update the WiR main WiR page with the latest figures from Humaniki on the status of women's biographies (now 19.81%) as they become available. I very much hope that many of the more recent "recruits" will be ready to provide support too, in particular by helping to increase membership of the project and assisting those who join. Less critical are the additions to other WiR pages such as Showcase (which attracts less than nine page views a day and has had no other contributors for quite some time). As for Research and Press, these items each receive only one page view a day but I thought it was useful to maintain a record in connection with the history of the project. So the only really significant change is my decision not to create any more new articles about women. Here I notified the project some time ago that I would no longer be creating so many and in fact in April I created only four biographies and one list. On the other hand, I will continue to help with articles created by other editors, in particular
SusunW and
Balance person, and will always be available to offer advice or assistance to anyone in need of assistance. I hope this clarifies my position and helps to make things look less dramatic. Happy editing!--
Ipigott (
talk) 06:38, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I am pleased to see, Rosie, that there has now been significant support on
Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 April 29 for not deleting all our original event templates. There seems to be increasing interest in ensuring that technical changes are first discussed in consultation with content editors rather than just with those primarily interested in technical issues. This is an important step in the right direction.--
Ipigott (
talk) 13:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I was surprised but not surprised to see your message Ian. (Sorry I didn't reply before now, but it was my birthday yesterday and I was offline from the day before.) WIR will not be the same with you gone, but I respect your decision. I agree with
Oronsay that "the number of changes and how they were introduced and implemented [is] most disturbing". But, I think on a project where anyone can edit, that is always an issue. For the most part, I just try to stay in my writing bubble and ignore the politics and technical changes until I am forced to deal with them. I very much appreciate that you will still be around and are willing to continue to help with advice and assistance.
SusunW (
talk) 14:02, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Ipigott, I've taken a few days to reflect on what you've said. I think knowing you are still around, shall be good enough for me. I plan to stay connected with you, so count on it! Maybe you and I and
Dr. Blofeld can do some more work together on other topics as we did a decade ago. --
Rosiestep (
talk) 15:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The feeling is mutual, Rosie. We should certainly stay connected. I thought I had identified an important new activity with OKA but it very much looks as if it will now be brought to a standstill. Not a very successful month for me so far but let's see how everything works out. One thing is quite certain: there's always more than enough for me to do on Wikipedia. But if you feel like working on other topics from time to time, that might indeed be fun. I was also considering contributing to Elit more intensively. It would be good to see more activity there.--
Ipigott (
talk) 16:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
New wikiprojects
Ipigott, I think OKA will be fine, and I'd be happy to work on this with you and others. It does need a helping hand with workflows... something you and I have quite a bit of experience at WiR. While being required to go through AfC is an extra step, I don't think it's a bad thing. I actually think it's good, if it will prove the worth of the articles in general (e.g., they aren't about companies or BLP), and OKA in particular. What's missing is the on-wiki info. I get why OKA wanted to stay under the radar initially, but I don't think that concept will serve it well at this point as it's matured past its start-up phase. I think it's time for it to become a wikiproject where there's a defined mainpage, talkpage, table (e.g., like
this), article talkpage template, etc. But I won't push it. --
Rosiestep (
talk) 16:55, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
That sounds very positive, Rosie. As for listing their drafts, they could simply be added to the bottom of
this list where all their new articles/additions appear. I for one would be only too happy to promote their drafts to mainspace (without necessarily going through AfC procedures). I would be far happier to help with OKA translations than with the many other paid creations I am asked to review. (For some reason I have gained a reputation for helping with these.) If the OKA editors simply list them in their user space (User:ABC/new article name) it will be easy to identify them. As far as I know, even with COI that should still be possible. Up to now, I have only needed to make major changes to one article. Nearly all of them have been well up to standard from the start although minor changes to the lead are frequently needed. So if we can put something together to help them along these lines, there should be clear benefits for both OKA and the English wiki.--
Ipigott (
talk) 17:21, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I'm happy to see Elit and Women Do News flourishing! --
Rosiestep (
talk) 16:55, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Up to now, Elit have not opted for importance ratings, only quality. That's why there are fewer columns. WP Women artists, WP Women and many others only go for quality.--
Ipigott (
talk) 17:50, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Ipigott, IMHO ... I don't think
the list you link to is the way to go any longer. The days of OKA "staying under the radar" have passed; it is no longer a newbie community. The AfC requirement is evidence that it's time to be more aligned with EN-WP processes. In order for it to continue flourishing -and I truly support that- I believe it's time for OKA to have a more mature integration into EN-WP, e.g., articles should be listed on-wiki on a WikiProject subpage. It could be a subpage of
WP:WikiProject Intertranswiki, or a subpage of a newly-create
WP:WikiProject OKA. It could have components of
this and/or be in table format like
this. This requires the commitment of its leadership. I'd be glad to help as an advisor in an on-wiki capacity as time allows. --
Rosiestep (
talk) 17:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Yes, you are probably right about the need for a completely new setup for OKA. If we organize an Intertranswiki task force, the coordinator will have to bring things in line. Let's hope the translators can adapt.--
Ipigott (
talk) 17:56, 6 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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On the bicentenary of Beethoven's
Ninth Symphony, I remember our recent uplifting choral concert in pictures, on my user page and
in my concerts (leading to the two at the church's article). The closest was
in the paper. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 21:25, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
200 years! Such an amazing piece of music. I was able to adjust the settings on my laptop so that I could access the website you link to (wiesbadener-kurier.de) and see the photo. What a beautiful rock wall in your 5 May photo. --
Rosiestep (
talk) 13:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you, - yes, we love the wall, and it's good for the music ;) -
Today is the Feast of the Ascension for which Bach composed his oratorio, - perhaps
watch a bit how the closing movement was performed in Bach's church. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 22:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Curious ... what affect does it have for the music? --
Rosiestep (
talk) 07:34, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Don't know, - just know that our conductor, who listened to many recordings of the piece, singled that one out as not going for speed alone ;) - I also know that
David Erler, one of the strong alto voices in the choir, was also soloist for tha Mass in B minor in 2013. (He was also the soloist for the oratorio but that movement is not on yt.) -
Magdalena Hinterdobler is on the Main page
today, together with an opera that reviewers deemed not interesting and too obscure for our general readers. The soprano thought differently, -
listen and see. - Also on the Main page: a TFA by sadly missed Vami_IV. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 10:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The soprano is up for deletion, and I'm on a family gathering. Perhaps make a note on WIR? --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 12:29, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Thank you for the note. Interesting discussion. - I thought of you when I made today's story with a pic of a woman holding her cat, a DYK of 5 years ago - the recent pics show 2 orange tip butterflies --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 15:14, 14 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I clicked and clicked this morning but could not find the woman holding her cat. Link please? Also, would like to view the butterflies. Still traveling, and multi-tasking. Maybe that's why it's not easy to sort out at the moment. --
Rosiestep (
talk) 11:23, 16 May 2024 (UTC)reply
you click on "story" below the image, and if the day passed, you scroll up ;) - similarly, for the pics you click on "places", and scroll up - if that doesn't help look for
Hedi Schoop, pic from 1957. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 13:23, 16 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I tried the clicking/scrolling but didn't locate it. Clicking on Hedi's article, though, did the trick. Great photo! --
Rosiestep (
talk) 13:28, 16 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I heard
lovely chamber music today, and
the DYK mentions "profoundly human" singing (that you can watch), connected to a place where we'll sing in September - sorry about the misleading description: in the story, there's the link to the complete year, and within that, you can scroll (or add the date as day and three digit month, such as _14_May for the cat). --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 22:37, 17 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Nice! I really enjoy chamber music for its intimacy. Later today, I'll be attending a symphony performance; I'll let you know how it goes. --
Rosiestep (
talk) 12:03, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Yes, it's like personal exchange of thoughts. In the current series, it's also teachers (here
Antje Weithaas and
Lawrence Power) playing with their students, another one one coming up tomorrow. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 12:31, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
... which was also great! - I liked seeing
Erschallet, ihr Lieder on the Main page today, 310 years after the first performance! We sang it in 2000.
Today's program was easier but also spirited. I
found a nice video of "I will sing with the spirit", with nature photography, - enjoy. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 21:36, 20 May 2024 (UTC)reply
You must be quite proud -rightly so- seeing it on the Main page. I was at a recent symphony performance which also had photography background; I'll admit to not being keen on it. --
Rosiestep (
talk) 11:34, 21 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Well, proud, no, that was rather easy, - I'm proud that I noticed that Pentecost Sunday in 1714 was Pentecost Monday in 2024. OTD insists that it has to be the day (20 May) not the occasion, but this matched, sort of. I am proud of
today's story which mentions a concert I loved to hear (DYK, and the memorable discussion is on the talk) and a piece I loved to sing in choir, 150 years old OTD, - that was little discussion but a lot of sourcing and expanding work yesterday. And then I noticed today that I had forgotten to write the article about Schönberg's Op. 1 (now at least
begun) and the translation of the baritone into German ... --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 15:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Today's focus is
Ethel Smyth (per the TPF), written by many, and I wonder if it could become GA if not FA even. --
Gerda Arendt (
talk) 15:08, 24 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Albania report: International Roma Day Editathon in Albania and Kosovo, 2024
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Gamaliel (
talk) 15:23, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Hi,
Gamaliel! Remotely. :( Do you know when Ariel will start the Zoom call? (I have to leave at the top of the hour. But I'll continue working on things later today.) --
Rosiestep (
talk) 16:52, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
We are getting a late start because the library's IP was blocked. I let Ariel know you had to leave.
Gamaliel (
talk) 17:07, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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Hi Rosie. In connection with OKA, today I've come across articles by the paid editor Mathieulalie. From
here and from M's talk page, you can see that submitting drafts to AfC seems to be working quite well. I think Liz probably deleted the articles I moved because I am not an established member of AfC. I think it will therefore be better if from now on I discontinue any involvement with OKA as I seem to be creating problems for their members. I still think it would be useful to have an OKA task force on Intertranswiki but you are probably the best person to take this forward.--
Ipigott (
talk) 16:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Ipigott, I think you've been as supportive as you could be with intertranswiki article improvement. The paid editing issue is really complicated, and I totally get why you want to step back from involvement with OKA articles. I enjoy being involved in conversations related to intertranswiki article translations, and for that reason, I joined and continue to support
WP:WikiProject Intertranswiki. Where I draw a red line is involvement with paid editing issues as I think others have more experience with this, and, ergo, are better suited to do the needful follow-up. I would be supportive of an OKA task force to WP Intertranswiki if the OKA leadership goes in that direction. It's their decision, of course. On my part, it was only a suggestion so that paid editing discussions could be compartmentalized separate from translations themselves, e.g., if OKA weren't a paid editing organization, there'd be no need for the task force. --
Rosiestep (
talk) 17:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC)reply
WiR
While I'm here, you may be pleased to hear that in the absence of any support for many of the areas I have been handling in support of WiR, I decided to continue my collaboration (except for Showcase for which there seems to be no interest). In reaction to Roger's comment in connection with just editing talk pages. I've also created a couple of women's biographies and will no doubt create more.--
Ipigott (
talk) 16:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Ipigott, well, you made my day with this post (re. continuing your collaboration with WiR)! Yay! --
Rosiestep (
talk) 17:22, 22 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Women in Red June 2024
Women in Red | June 2024, Volume 10, Issue 6, Numbers 293, 294, 308, 309, 310
TY v much for creating
Mary Louise Booth. I cited one of the books she translated in
John T. Hatcher and it was a treat to discover the translator was notable and had created such a wonderful life. Nice to meet her. :) Thanks again. 🙏
jengod (
talk) 16:49, 25 May 2024 (UTC)reply
You're welcome,
Jengod! So cool how things come together around here. --
Rosiestep (
talk) 17:40, 25 May 2024 (UTC)reply