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That's... that's some template. Is it possible that we could cut it down a little? UltraExactZZ ^Claims ~ Evidence 03:59, 16 May 2008 (UTC) reply

• I think all the colleges and universities are affiliated with University of Calcutta. And that makes this template giant. Redundancy might be exist in this template. I've already removed one. But the concern is they are under different grades and classifications with different council, commissions and as well as degrees. -- NAH ID 08:19, 20 May 2008 (UTC) reply

Is the above institution really exist? Google hits show nothing but its own entry Ramakrishna Mission. Though another link show it's a college, but there is no information exist but its establishment date-- NAH ID 17:25, 22 May 2008 (UTC) reply

The template size is not reasonable. Colleges are sometimes listed as many as seven times, this just can't stay. An exclusive grouping must be decided so each college is only listed once. I removed the most obviously redundant ones and things that do not belong in the navbox at all, but still a college may appear five times. -- Muhandes ( talk) 17:39, 26 February 2012 (UTC) reply

Dear @ B de2002:, @ Soumitrahazra:, @ Muhandes: and @ GhanaDa:,
At first a lot of thanks for creating such a template. However, I have a question. What is the necessity to enter the section "Associated research and training institutes"? Max of these institutes have no relation with University of Calcutta.
Thanking you,
-- P.Shiladitya ^✍talk 02:53, 23 July 2017 (UTC) reply

My latest involvement with this template was in 2012 and it didn't look remotely like it does today. Originally this template listed affiliated colleges. As nav templates for more than 100 institutes does not work well, this edit removed them all (an action which I agree with), leaving institutes which are, according to what you are saying, less related (to say the least). If what you say is correct, I think the template serves little purpose now. The correct solution seems to be WP:TFD. I will support (or I can initiate it if you prefer it this way). -- Muhandes ( talk) 08:34, 23 July 2017 (UTC) reply

By the way, this discussion should not take place here, it should be moved to the template talk page. Either move it or I can do it, as you prefer. -- Muhandes ( talk) 08:56, 23 July 2017 (UTC) reply

Dear @ Muhandes:,

Thanks for your reply.

♦These type of questions are purely my opinion. And that's why, I prefer to post it on my talk page.

♦Now I want to modify my opinion slightly. I have no problem with that section in that template. However, some entries should be removed.

♦I have categorized the name of the institutes as affiliated, autonomous, recognised and Not mentioned. Recognized & affiliated - are they both same?

♦The list is here -

• Bengal Music College - affiliated
• Calcutta Metropolitan Institute of Gerontology - PG courses are recognised by University of Calcutta { reference here}
• Government College of Art & Craft - affiliated
• Indian Association for the Cultivation of Science- Not mentioned (I think autonomous)
• Indian Association for the Cultivation of Science - autonomous body, recognised by University of Calcutta { reference}
• Indian Institute of Astrophysics - It is autonomous and not in Kolkata
• Indian Institute of Chemical Biology - affiliated
• Indian Institute of Social Welfare and Business Management - affiliated
• Institute of Development Studies, Kolkata - autonomous
• Institute of Jute Technology - affiliated
• Maulana Abul Kalam Azad Institute of Asian Studies - autonomous
• Rajendra Memorial Research Institute of Medical Sciences - autonomous and not in Kolkata.
• Saha Institute of Nuclear Physics - autonomous since 1951 { Reference}
• S.N. Bose National Centre for Basic Sciences - autonomous

⟩⟩ If you wish, you can move this discussion. [How to move a discussion on a different page?]

Thanking again,
-- P.Shiladitya ^✍talk 14:18, 23 July 2017 (UTC) reply

I moved the discussion.

If I understand correctly, you are trying to save this template.

• affiliated colleges: should not appear on the template, as the template already includes this list.

I removed Bengal Music College, Government College of Art & Craft, Indian Institute of Social Welfare and Business Management, Institute of Jute Technology

I can't find Indian Institute of Chemical Biology on the list, so I suggest further testing.

• Not mentioned : these obviously should be removed. But the only one you listed is Indian Association for the Cultivation of Science which is also listed as autonomous, so you probably meant some other organisation.
• autonomous should these be removed? They seem unrelated to the university
• recognised I'm not sure what this means. The two you listed, Indian Association for the Cultivation of Science and Calcutta Metropolitan Institute of Gerontology are not listed on this list.

-- Muhandes ( talk) 15:35, 24 July 2017 (UTC) reply

Dear @ Muhandes:,

Thanks.

• Yes you are right. I have no issue with the template, except some entries under the section 'Associated research and training institutes'.

• affiliated colleges: You are absolutely right. Bengal Music College, Government College of Art & Craft , Indian Institute of Social Welfare and Business Management , Institute of Jute Technology are already mentioned in List of colleges currently affiliated with the University of Calcutta and therefore under the section 'Colleges affiliated to University of Calcutta' of the Template:University of Calcutta.
  

»»However, I have a doubt. Indian Institute of Chemical Biology is a central Government institute under Council of Scientific and Industrial Research. It has been written on the wikipedia page that this institute is affiliated under University of Calcutta. But the name of the institute has not been mentioned in List of colleges currently affiliated with the University of Calcutta. Moreover, there is no such mention on official webpage of Indian Institute of Chemical Biology. University of Calcutta is not directly under Council of Scientific and Industrial Research and generally these type of Institutes (like Indian Institute of Chemical Biolog) are autonomous. I think, we should discuss it with other editors to search for some references.

• autonomous - they have no relation with University of Calcutta. Why should they be on the template? In addition, Rajendra Memorial Research Institute of Medical Sciences is in Bihar, not in Kolkata and thus, I do not think that any affiliation-related relation between these two institutes is possible.

• recognised- I seriously do not know.

>> Calcutta Metropolitan Institute of Gerontology - Template:University of Calcutta →Associated research and training institutes→(second entry)

>> Indian Association for the Cultivation of Science- Template:University of Calcutta →Associated research and training institutes→(fourth entry)

I think we can discuss with other editors for better opinions.

-- P.Shiladitya ^✍talk 22:44, 26 July 2017 (UTC) reply