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It seems like all the links are redirects. ONEder Boy ( talk) 15:05, 22 January 2010 (UTC) reply

I'm specifically challenging this edit and in particular, the inclusion of the Code of Federal Regulations. This makes no sense because it's confusing two fundamentally different things.

The CFR is not a statutory code, it's a regulatory code. This is a fundamental distinction in political science that goes back to the idea of separation of powers. Statutes come from Congress; regulations come from executive branch agencies. Statutes can be very broad in scope (up to constitutional boundaries); regulations can only go up to the boundaries of the underlying authorizing statute. Any objections before I take out the trash? -- Coolcaesar ( talk) 19:02, 1 February 2021 (UTC) reply

The template's title right now is "Statutory codes and regulations in the United States" - is there a good reason why both shouldn't be covered in one navbox? This sort of technical difference between statutory and regulatory code certainly deserves mention and I'd be open to somehow splitting this navbox into two sections for each topic, but I think the average user would appreciate and even expect codes and regulations to appear together, regardless of technical difference. Brad ( talk) 21:47, 1 February 2021 (UTC) reply

Because for one, the current template is severely incomplete and doesn't even come close to accurately representing the complexity of both statutory and regulatory law for all U.S. jurisdictions, and two, any attempt at doing so would be a mind-boggling mess with numerous redlinks to nonexistent articles.

For example, no one has bothered to write articles for the five Louisiana Codes on WP for the last 17 years. If I had the inclination and about 40 hours to spare, I could probably do it, but I have my own current interests and priorities to attend to, like improving the article on product liability and improving WP's coverage of the history of the various University of California campuses. Considering that it took me six years to find the time to do the research and start to fix the mess in product liability, it's unlikely that I'll get around to the Louisiana Codes for another five years.

It sounds like you haven't read the article on State law (United States) (most of which I wrote), especially the part on codification. The only "average user" that would appreciate such a navbox would be a lawyer like myself with significant experience in comparative law and administrative law. Most laypersons would be utterly bewildered. I suppose one could distinguish the regulatory codes with asterisks and an explanatory footer, but that would be of little help to ordinary people who barely understand separation of powers, let alone regulatory rulemaking by the executive branch. -- Coolcaesar ( talk) 01:20, 2 February 2021 (UTC) reply