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Why this template?
I am struggling to see the logic in this template. My interest is in orienteering, and I can see a need to link to 'similar' activies, but I thought we had a template for that. This template seems to be bringing together all human endeavour which I see as illogical. e.g. why have you ignored judo, boxing, shot put, discus, javelin etc. Please answer here - I am watching the page.
Twiceuponatime (
talk) 12:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)reply
"judo, boxing, shot put, discus, javelin" doesn't meet the criteria for
racing. This is one template made according to its name and corresponding definitions. --
Kslotte (
talk) 12:48, 11 June 2009 (UTC)reply
"I thought we had a template for that" ... no, this is currently the only one, feel free to contribute, comment and develop templates for sports and racing. --
Kslotte (
talk) 12:48, 11 June 2009 (UTC)reply
I was thinking of
Template:Orienteering concepts which meets the needs of orienteering and related activities. Perhaps I was thinking too much from the orienteering point of view; and I also view 'racing' as 'competition' which includes field sports. I still think you have made the coverage too wide.
Twiceuponatime (
talk) 16:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)reply
Also for me it is illogical. --
Kasper2006 (
talk) 12:48, 2 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Development
This template needs to be developed to cover more racing forms:
Ski and snow
Bicycle
Other endurance racing
Maybe re-naming it 'Endurance racing' would be a good idea. Feel free to continue working on this or give comments. --
Kslotte (
talk) 11:39, 23 June 2009 (UTC)reply
Would not biking or skiing be "assisted?" They are going much faster than a runner or a snowshoe racer.
Racepacket (
talk) 00:44, 12 July 2009 (UTC)reply
Yes you are right. I was thinking of
collapsible groups for each of these, where one of the groups are unassisted.. --
Kslotte (
talk) 09:24, 12 July 2009 (UTC)reply
Proposal
I am finding the concept of "Unassisted human racing" a little awkward. Racing generally covers running, animal racing, motorsport, as well as cycling, swimming and other forms of racing, such as eating competions or whatever. Grouping together articles such as
Wife carrying, and
Beer mile with
Road running and
Foot orienteering is against the spirit of guidelines such as
Wikipedia:Navigation templates and
Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates - in particular: "If the articles are not established as related by reliable sources in the actual articles, then it is probably not a good idea to interlink them."
What is the intention here? If it is to group together forms of racing, such as in
List of forms of racing and
Category:Racing sports, then I feel it might be helpful to use the organisation of those as a starting point.
If there is to be an intention to group together forms of racing by humans in which they are not "assisted" - then there needs to be a reliable source to clarity what that means. In Orienteering, the human is assisted by his navigation aids. Without the assistance of these aids he cannot complete the race.
I propose that this template is renamed Forms of running, and includes the different forms of running found in
Category:Running and
List_of_forms_of_racing#Running. And other templates created for Forms of skiing, Forms of Animal racing, etc, and the whole could be contained in a {{
Template group}} called Forms of racing, like this:
Currently the template has to narrow scope and should be expanded. The term "unassisted" sounds bad. I party support your proposal. I would see the main header as "Racing" and that being
multilevel navbox. --
Kslotte (
talk) 10:38, 26 June 2010 (UTC)reply
I'm comfortable with the main heading being Racing, and sub-headings being Running, Animal racing, Motorsport, etc. I'm suggesting the Template group approach for several reasons:
The individual templates can be used separately, or grouped - it gives a greater flexibility of choice for other editors
It's easier to create and maintain smaller templates
Large templates can dominate small articles like
Tower running, which may be better served with just using the Running sub-template
OK, I've made a start. I think it can be developed from here. I'm still not sure if putting them all in the same template is the right way to go, as there are other templates which will now overlap this one, such as {{
Bicycle racing}}, but see how it goes. SilkTork *
YES! 09:53, 27 June 2010 (UTC)reply