This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Parenting template. |
|
Parenting NA‑class ( inactive) | |||||||
|
This is great! There are lots of related pages, and seeing this taking shape makes me think this is the right thing. Some other fields have their own hierarchies, for example Family and School, so we should link in to those without interfering. I am by no means wedded to the changes I've made, so hack on!
I've changed some of the grouping, with 'Related areas' for the large topics that have their own structure but which are important. I imagine that "Parenting styles" and "Techniques" will become quite large as crackpots add their own terms. I think it is OK to have a fairly broad tolerance for minority ideas there. Rixs ( talk) 13:19, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
I simplified some of the terms like "Helicopter parenting" down to "Helicopter parent" earlier but I wonder if that was right. Perhaps the phrasing should be consistent across the template. Also, some of those links like Motherhood and Fatherhood are redirects which might not be ideal. I've started adding this template to articles it refers to (not finished yet). Rixs ( talk) 11:56, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Would it be useful to mention other care in addition to after-school activity such as day care, childcare, au pair, nanny, Pre-school playgroup, or maybe just the ones that are sort of parenting substitutes, such as nanny and au pair?
As an alternative to 'Techniques' how about 'Practices'? That may force some of the links to another category.
Not sure Educational toys belongs in the template.
What about abusive parenting: Cinderella Effect, Incest, etc.?
Parenting advice: Benjamin Spock, James Dobson?
I don't want to overdo it, just throwing out some more ideas! Ikzing ( talk) 19:52, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Not at all, I'd say. Perhaps just needing a little sorting and sifting. Let it sit a bit and see what happens. I think though that I will move 'Parents' to the top row. Would be nice to have 'Birth (or natural) parents' as one of the items, but as there is no page for it... Ikzing ( talk) 04:53, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
I noticed you alphabetically sorted the Techniques. I'm not sure if that was intentional or not. My preference is to sort by priority, i.e. well accepted techniques first and crackpot ones later. But I haven't done all this yet. I've just added Bedtime out of order for both sequences!
(P.S. I'm also on the look out for other "techniques".) Rixs ( talk) 09:35, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
I came across some additional articles and was debating whether to change the Abuse section to Abuse/Neglect (to include Latchkey kid and Child abandonment, or to create a new one called Responsibility (or similar) to include those plus Parental supervision and perhaps Family planning. Ikzing ( talk) 12:58, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
(On another topic) I've just found another seam of articles I hadn't noticed before in Category:Child rearing. I've proposed merging that into Category:Parenting. Rixs ( talk) 11:12, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Having just suggested not adding too many categories within this template, I do feel that there are some techniques that apply to particular life stages. I wonder if we should help readers to see that? For example the baby sleep techniques in Bringing Up Baby (TV programme), toddler ideas like Play date, pre-adolescent ideas like Allowance and teenage ideas that I don't think we've covered yet, such as about allowing increasing freedom.
Before adding a row, we'd have to be sure that there are at least a handful of entries to go in it, and that the row is genuinely distinct from others.
Alternatively (and perhaps better, as I think about it), we could write about these in Parenting styles rather than here in this template.
Rixs ( talk) 11:25, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
The "abuse" header links to child abuse. Wouldnt a link to abuse be better? Incest for example is often not related to children. Also the list of articles in this section need reviewing. -- Penbat ( talk) 20:18, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Since this template includes a biology section, perhaps it should be renamed "Human parenting" to distinguish it from other examples of parenting in the natural world, e.g. primate, bird, etc. 212.84.103.144 ( talk) 19:09, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
This template is too huge to be really useful. It contains several links that, while one can see how they would be useful in one direction (Nutrition is something parents think about), they are not clearly closely linked in both directions. (i.e. somebody reading about Nutrition is not highly likely to want to read about Parenting or child labor).
I started to trim some of the more peripheral topics, but more trimming/focusing would help. Parenting is a large area, so there is little risk of getting it so focused that we run out of material, rather challenge is to keep it small enough to be useful, and so that the links make sense in both directions. (i.e. navigation template should be on all pages that appear on it). Zodon ( talk) 23:03, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
The behavioral approach to parenting should include understanding the basics of behavior: operant conditioning and classical conditioning ( Pavlov and B.F. Skinner respectively).
With the behavioral approach, one will better understand the function (reasons why) behavior ( both positive and negative) occur. The most common functions of beahvior are: attention, to escape or avoid, the activity feels good to them, or they gain physical items from doing this activity or beahvior.
The idea of reinforcement is vitally important in parenting. This can be as simple as saying good job to a child, or thanking them for doing an action. See Applied Behavior Analysis for more information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.92.182.77 ( talk) 04:42, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
The "experts" section in this template includes a number of figures for whom it is a stretch to argue that they're experts in parenting, rendering the list both over-inclusive (including people who don't really belong) and under-inclusive (excluding people of greater notability in relation to parenting). I find myself questioning whether a list of experts is helpful in this template, and would argue for its removal. Arllaw ( talk) 23:14, 16 November 2019 (UTC)