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Most Eastern Orthodox regard the council as "pan-Orthodox" and not as an ecumenical council. Should we add this note to the template? (Because the title is "Ecumenical councils", though the Synod of Jerusalem is not considered ecumenical)-- K kokkinos ( talk) 11:54, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Only the Councils of Nicea and Constantinople are recognised as Ecumenical by all Churches with apostolic succussion. Therefore it is objectively incorrect to refer to any councils beyond the First Council of Constantinople as "ecumenical". The Assyrian Church of the East (together with the Ancient Church of the East only recognise these two councils as ecumenical. The Oriental Orthodox Churches only recognise these two plus the Council of Ephesus as ecumenical. Conversely, the Oriental Orthodox do not consider the either the Second Council of Ephesus (449) or the Third Council of Ephesus (475) to be ecumenical; therefore their inclusion in this box is unwarranted.
Carlaude has made a number of bold and unilateral edits to this page, many of which stand in contrast to my knowledge of such matters, and which are backed up by no citations. I will break them down into sup-groupings in this section (though not absolutely all of my issues are about his edits:
Deusveritasest (
talk) 05:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Your specification that it is only the Eastern Orthodox within Eastern Christianity who recognize Seven Ecumenical Councils is fine and good. But seeing as how you got rid of my "variously" qualification, we must look at the other group. Without my qualification, the page thus suggests that all of Western Christianity recognizes Seven Ecumenical Councils, and not only is this clearly not true, but it is even contradictory to what you write later on in the page. Either we can say "East and West" while somehow qualifying it, or you have to specify the groups within Western Christianity that claim Seven Ecumenical Councils. Deusveritasest ( talk) 05:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
What is the point of linking to "Seven Ecumenical Councils" and then also listing each of the constituent councils within that group. Shouldn't we stick to one approach or another? Either link to the Seven Ecumenical Councils in general, or only link to the constituent councils. Deusveritasest ( talk) 05:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Why is Constantinople IV not grouped among the "partly recognized" EC's of the EOC when it is also a council that is not universally recognized as an Ecumenical Council by Eastern Orthodox Christians? Deusveritasest ( talk) 05:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Why was the 1672 Synod of Jerusalem put on this page? I've not once seen a reference to it being considered an Ecumenical Council. Deusveritasest ( talk) 05:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Where is the evidence that the Old Catholics recognize the 19 councils before Vatican I as Ecumenical? All of the Old Catholic sources I've seen so far have claimed 7 Ecumenical Councils, not 19. Deusveritasest ( talk) 05:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
What is the source that indicated that Calvinists recognize the Synod of Dort and the Westminster Assembly as Ecumenical Councils? How is this consistent with the later claim that they recognize only four ecumenical councils? Where is the evidence that they recognize these four? Deusveritasest ( talk) 05:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Where is the evidence that Anglicans universally recognize four and only four Ecumenical Councils? Deusveritasest ( talk) 05:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi,
why is council of Pisa missing?
It was removed with this edit: (cur | prev) 02:22, 13 July 2007 201.17.60.249 (talk) . . (1,375 bytes) (-64) . . (undo) by anonymous editor without explanation.
I am aware it is controversial, and it might be correct to omit it. However it did indeed happen and it had impact on history. Can there be a section about non-recognized councils, or something like that?
I am not knowledgable about the subject matter so I will not edit the template or push it in any direction. However I consider it strange enough to ask.
Best regards
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Jan.Smolik (
talk) 12:21, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
The template contains already Councils that are not considered Ecumenical, like the Synod of Constantinople, the Synod of Jerusalem and the Synod of Jassy, for example. According to this logic, I added the Holy and Great Council of 2016, a synod of major importance for the Orthodox Church, that has been prepared for over a century. Templates in other languages ( bg, el, ru, it) contain it as well. User:Vanjagenije converted this addition, saying it is not ecumenical. I believe that we must either delete all those that are not considered ecumenical, like the ones that I mention above, or add the Pan-Orthodox Council as well. I think the second option is better, as it gives a better overview. I would also change the title to "Ecumenical and other major councils", because even now only the first line refers to Ecumenical ones-- Kostisl ( talk) 07:09, 18 June 2020 (UTC)