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This template may suffer from WP:OR issues because some of its entries do not speak about conservatism at all. An obvious example is Want Want. The only reason I can imagine is that they have been accused of having close links to the Chinese Communist Party, as stated in the article, but that means the reader has to make the leap from the assertion that the Chinese Communist Party is conservative, therefore cooperating with them makes you conservative. Yue 🌙 01:38, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- Want Want is a pan-blue company. However, I will erase it by reflecting your claim. In the future, you can delete the text that you see as WP:OR yourself. Thanks. ProKMT ( talk) 07:50, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
- @
ProKMT and
Yue: It's too early. The definition of conservatism in the Chinese context is not that clear-cut a thing, and the current template is missing at least the cultural conservatism of the 1990s (with only one entry for the
Farewell to Revolution) and the anti-
reformist left-wing ideas of the 1970s that being called "conservatism".
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not because they are easy,
but because they are hard 12:12, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
- Conservatives in the Cultural Revolution mean little different from conservative Republicans in the Reconstruction era. This is not included in the Template:Conservatism US ProKMT ( talk) 07:34, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- 保守派 and 保守主義者 are different. Both words translate to "conservative" in English, but the former is not conservative as an ideology. The modern Chinese Communist Party is more of Chiang Kai-shek's conservatism than Soviet-style communism. That's why it is called neoconservatism. The Red Guard's conservatism is orthodox Maoism, which has nothing to do with current 'neoconservatism' in China. However, Conservative Faction (Cultural Revolution) was also transferred to the 'Related topics' section because it is classified as conservatism in the Chinese Wikipedia. ProKMT ( talk) 10:49, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
It is unfair to remove articles related to this from the template. Wang Huning claimed himself to be a conservative or neo-authoritarian, and had an important influence on China's ideological history. In addition, there are scholars who describe the Chinese Communist Party as "conservative." These are not WP:OR. ProKMT ( talk) 11:54, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. There is not a single word "conservative" or "conservatism" in Wikipedia articles like Chinese Communist Party and China Times. So, adding these articles related to the CCP which mentions no conservatism to this template is weird.
GoldWitness (
talk) 16:15, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- That's why it's not the " Chinese Communist Party" but the " Chinese Communist Party (Neoauthoritarian, alleged)." The CCP supports conservative and Han Chinese chauvinist policies. There are also politicians within the CCP who openly advocate "neoconservatism" or "neoauthoritarian". Above all, the pro-Beijing "conservatism" in Hong Kong and Macau cannot be separated from the CCP. " Chinese Communist Party (Neoauthoritarian, alleged)" should be maintained on the template. (Cases that are not directly related but are worth referencing: Template:Conservatism in Russia includes Neo-Sovietism and Nostalgia for the Soviet Union.) ProKMT ( talk) 07:51, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
It could be WP:SYNTH that equates the two. Opposing the Chinese Communist Party does not necessarily mean they are conservatives.
Advocating for capitalism and liberal democracy does not mean conservatism. In Chinese Wikipedia, articles relating to the Chinese Communist Party (since the 1990s) are linked to conservatism, but anti-communist liberals are not linked to conservatives. ProKMT ( talk) 12:00, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for putting forward your opinion. However, it is also incorrect that 0% of the anti-communist liberals are linked to conservatives. Some of them have the word "conservative" or "conservatism" in their English and/or Chinese articles. So, adding them to the template will not be WP:SYNTH. GoldWitness ( talk) 16:02, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
I think it's better to use Qing China Dragon than KMT Emblem. Chinese Wikipedia often uses China Dragon images in Templates related to 'China' in a context that includes both ROC and PRC. ProKMT ( talk) 07:44, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
For an article to be considered part of a series in conservatism in China, it should have high-quality sources and contextual support for that claim. Going through Conservatism in China, most of the linked articles barely mention conservatism, or mention it only after ProKMT's recent edits. This raises serious concerns about Wikipedia:No original research. Vacosea ( talk) 23:33, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- All the articles mentioned in Conservatism in China are classical examples of conservatism. There’s nothing controversial included; everything can be supported by reliable sources. Trakking ( talk) 04:44, 15 April 2024 (UTC)