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Hey Hanzo, I've made a couple of changes as you have probably already noticed. I've removed the Chechen coat of arms and replaced it with the Ichkerian flag (to make it more clear, as the Ichkerian key leaders are also represented by this flag) and I've added some names I believe should be listed. I hope yu agree since you appear to be the only one editing this template. Let me know. ForrestSjap 07:06, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
The Ichkerian Coat of Arms has been removed, I will replace it with the flag for the moment but I'm trying to obtain permission to use another Coat of Arms. ForrestSjap 16:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
I've added some key leaders, I have also added a new coat of arms. I hope everyone agrees. ForrestSjap 09:13, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
You have once again reverted some relevant edits, Hanzo. Although every single name I added to the list is very relevant to either one of the Chechen Wars, you have removed almost all of them, and the only excuse you had was that you thought only the names of the presidents should remain on the list, while at the same time you felt it necessary to keep Basayev and the Amirs of the Islamic Battalion listed, in fact, it was you who added Khattab. Not very consistent. Anyway, I will repair at least some of my edits, if you insist on keeping the list short, then I will add only those names that are relevant to the conflict today and I will also explain why I consider them to be relevant. Three names I will put back on the list; for the pro-Moscow Chechens; Yamadayev and Kakiev, and for the separatists; Abdullaev. As I'm sure you are well aware, the Pro-Moscow Chechens are divided into three camps, the militia's headed by Kadyrov, Yamadayev and Kakiev. These three warlords and their private armies are currently the three main forces struggling for overall military authority in the region, therefore I feel they must be listed. Abdullaev I will also put back in the list. I know the article is a bit stubby at the moment but I will do something about this as soon as I have more time on my hands. As you know Abdullaev is the current Vice-President of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria, that means that if Umarov were to get killed, he will automatically bacome President. Not a name we should forget to mention I think. If you still disagree, feel free to discuss with me here in the discussion section (that's what it's made for), those edit summaries are hardly a substitute. Also please try to master the English language, in one of your edit summaries I found the following text "befor ethis gets ridicalously long... basayev was the man of basayev really". I'm not really sure what to make of this. That will be all for now. I hope we can finally agree. ForrestSjap 18:44, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Oh, did you see Ramzan's presidential inauguration? It's all over. Putin fully bets on Kadyrov clan and these two can't do anything about it. If they try playing political opposition, they'll end like Alkhanov's or before this Gantamirov's teams (first sidetracked then exiled). As for Gorets, it was surrendered, disarmed and its leader tracked down in Moscow and shot. So much for an armed opposition. -- HanzoHattori 20:35, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
He died retired and from non-war related causes (health). Most of the historical figures are dead now, you know? -- HanzoHattori 16:22, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh, or maybe I'm "ignorant" again. -- HanzoHattori 16:24, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
When exactly was the current pro-moscow flag of Chechnya installed? Akhmad Kadyrov is listed under the new flag, even though he might have died before it was introduced? (flag was introduced the same year as his death). - PietervHuis 01:32, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Chechen volunteers and mercenaries have participated in numerous conflicts, this does not mean every one of them should be listed in the template dealing with the Chechen-Russian conflict. The Kodori crisis is primarily part of the Georgian-Abkhaz conflict, that is where it should be listed. ForrestSjap ( talk) 20:21, 1 February 2008 (UTC)