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Here is what User:Curtius posted on the talk page. -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 14:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
* Is this what we want? * Should the O: and R: links be part of it or should I make it more general? * Do I need to make a middle version or will we insist on left & right?
The remaining text is just a filler to show how they look surrounded by text. Curtius 22:12, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
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O: Head of Mars with Corinthian helmet left | R: Horse head right, grain ear behind | |
The first Roman silver coin, 281 BC; Crawford 13/1 |
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O: Diademed head Hercules right, club on shoulder | R: Wolf suckling twins, ROMANO in. ex. | |
The first silver coin minted at Rome, 269 BC; Crawford 20/1 | ||
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Here is what I have -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 14:32, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
1 peseta 1998 | |
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King Juan Carlos I | COA |
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500 Japanese yen 2000 | |
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Paulownia, state title, value | Value, bamboo, Mandarin orange, year of minting, latent image |
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King Juan Carlos I | Value, bamboo, Mandarin orange, year of minting, latent image |
Differences discussion and version 3: Curtius 03:23, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I think image size should be a template variable (applying to both halves of the image), just like the general thumbnail has variable size. Let the individual editors decide what works on their page.
I think we should try to match the standard image template; hence I support the cell padding. In this version the presence of two pictures and links is clear. I think a padding of 4 is not too much space to sacrifice for that. Also, if there were two single white images I think the padding would avoid the dividing line touching the edge of the coin which can be very close indeed at 100 pixel image size. Disadvantage: the image pair templates will be 8px different in size unless odd image sizes are used.
There are two very different purposes to "Global" text: descriptive caption and/or title. In this version the code makes both an option.
I used 85% for the caption (matches the normal image display), 70% for Obverse/reverse. You used 90% for the caption. Smaller fits better, but may be getting hard to read? I say lets match the standard image display size (85%) everywhere.
For some reason the Yen image had text both left & right justified. I changed it
Comments and version 4. -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 12:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I agree that the image width should be a template variable. However, optional. Sometimes the images are "small enough", like the Spanish peseta, where blowing it up with a larger width will actually make the image uglier.
Let's define our terminology and template here.
{{ Coin image box 1 double}} | {{ Coin image box 2 singles}} | |
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For | Roman Republican As, 500 yen | 1 peseta |
header | optional | optional |
image | required | |
image_left | required | |
image_right | required | |
caption | optional | |
caption_left | optional | |
caption_right | optional |
Padding demo | |
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From top, and clock wise: 0, 10, 20, 40 px | COA |
If the header, or the caption are not present, the template will not generate a empty row at all. As with the padding, you can see from the box on the right, it can be set arbitrarily, on all 4 sides. But I'm not sure I understand you completely on what you want to do with the padding. -- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 12:42, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Roman Republican As | |
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Paulownia, state title, value | Value, bamboo, Mandarin orange, year of minting, latent image |
The proposed "1 double" at 300 px is the same width as a single image at 300. |
Option 1 | |
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King Juan Carlos I | Value, bamboo, Mandarin orange, year of minting, latent image |
This is the proposed "2 singles". I like the cleanly separated look and the clear recognition that there are two images here. It does line up nicely with the 150 below below but is 8 pixels wider than the 300 above. If one wants to line up with the above 150 needs to be changed to 146 for each image. Not intuitive. |
Option 2 | |
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King Juan Carlos I | Value, bamboo, Mandarin orange, year of minting, latent image |
This lines up well with width of double, not with width of single. I don't like the visible line between images - it looks like a mistake. I don't like to remove it either because then the two images look like one which is confusing. |
Option 3 | |
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King Juan Carlos I | Value, bamboo, Mandarin orange, year of minting, latent image |
This is the same as option 1, except it is all a closed box. I changed the padding on the caption text slightly too. I don't like the boxy look as much. Taste I guess. One problem is that if you have several boxes one after another on the side it gets confusing seeing line after line (see relationship with next one). Another problem is that when you remove the text or the caption you get double-width lines at the top and the bottom - as in the next one. |
King Juan Carlos I | Value, bamboo, Mandarin orange, year of minting, latent image |
Curtius 00:41, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
There are a few things I'd like to address
-- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 14:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
OK
1 peseta 1998 | |
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Caption left | Caption right |
Footer |
I can make the middle border disappear, if that's what you want. The only down side is that the user has to provide the background color of the image to make the middle border "invisible".
Now I understand why you want the margin in the first place (ah ha!). The reason is to make it look like the regular thumbnail structure. However, you have raised 3 requirement:
These 3 requirements are mathematically imcompatible. You can only choose 2 of the 3.
I'm not sure I understand your last point. Are you suggesting to add a "footer" row below the 2 image captions, like your option 3? That can be optional too.
-- ChoChoPK (球球PK) ( talk | contrib) 02:13, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
1) I agree with your analysis. I would like to keep the following two:
I do not mind the user having to specify the centre margin colour. Can we do something like the following?
Header | |
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Caption left | Caption right |
Footer |
Caption left | Caption right |
I agree with your analysis. I will abandon the use of a margin to show that there are two images. Now it is at least mathematically possible!
I think we need two different formats (via options). Here is the rationale for this:
The objective is to make numismatics more relevant. The idea is to make it easy for non-numismatists to include numismatic images which match the format of other images on their non-numismatic pages. This should result in increased linking and traffic to numismatic pages. This is particularly important to me because in the field of ancient numismatics there is a lot of historical information on the coins.
Can we do something like the following? I have an example of both usages shown. The differences are changing all occurrences of 4px in the case on the left to 0px in the case on the right
header | |
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caption_left | caption_right |
footer |
caption_left | caption_right |
footer |
I suggest an extended argument list
{{ Coin image box 1 double}} | {{ Coin image box 2 singles}} | default | |
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header | optional | optional | Row/Border disappears if missing |
image | required | N/A | required |
image_left | N/A | required | required |
caption_left | optional | optional | Row/Border disappears if both missing |
image_right | N/A | required | required |
caption_right | optional | optional | Row/Border disappears if both missing |
footer | optional | optional | Row/Border disappears if missing |
location | optional | optional | "left" |
image_background | optional | optional | #000000 |
image_margin | optional | optional | 4px |
Changes:
Curtius 17:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I am probably pointing out things you already know.... Curtius 01:55, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Curtius 19:04, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Just noticed something esle. "Extreme Margin" in the header is left justified while the title for the peseta image is centered. I do no understand why....
Curtius 04:03, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Image:1peseta1998back.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.
If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Betacommand ( talk • contribs • Bot) 23:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Image:1peseta1998back.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.
If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Betacommand ( talk • contribs • Bot) 23:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
£1 coin (new design, 2016) | |
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130px 130px | |
Elizabeth II | English rose, Welsh leek, Scottish thistle, and Northern Irish shamrock |
If I set the sizes as 50, it does, but that's not a lot of use. 90/90 produces a column. All the other coin images in the article ( pound sterling) are side-by-side but not this one, so it looks odd. Is there an undocumented box-width option? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 ( talk) 20:44, 13 June 2024 (UTC)